Obama Speech

[DaBoys4Life]

Anyone watching? Live on Fox he was talking about the bail out package and now he's taking questions.

[iceberg]

he needs to stop bashing bush.

where did the fluid speaker go?

[DaBoys4Life]

he needs to stop bashing bush.

where did the fluid speaker go?

Not just Bush but every Republican, I think it's clear that him and the Dems are just going to do whatever they want.

[Rogah]

They need to put in one of those timers that they use in debates. This guy takes a loooooooooooooooooooong time to answer questions.

[iceberg]

"i inherated this crisis"

you chose to take it on. stop making excuses.

he takes "pork" as an insult and says "i can't talk to you if you call my pork pork!"

[iceberg]

They need to put in one of those timers that they use in debates. This guy takes a loooooooooooooooooooong time to answer questions.

he sure takes things personal and says "if you wanna get along stop critisizing me" a lot.

[Avaj]

"i inherated this crisis"

you chose to take it on. stop making excuses.



He did inherited

Some people can't handle the truth

[iceberg]

He did inherited

Some people can't handle the truth

all presidents inherit a crisis. not all go 'wah - not my fault!" so often.

also, time and time again i heard the buck stops w/bush because he's the president. now that a dem is president, it's still bush and "the buck moved".

i grow tired of the responsibility push.

[TheCount]

You guys are too busy nit picking what he's saying to actually listen and judge whether anything he's saying might actually make sense.


Anyway, it seems like the questions are pre-written and the askers are listed there for him, is that how these things usually work? They are softball questions, but they seem like they've been pre-approved.

[iceberg]

You guys are too busy nit picking what he's saying to actually listen and judge whether anything he's saying might actually make sense.

trust me. i'm listening. i just don't hear what you hear.

[sacase]

I thought he was a good speaker?

[iceberg]

did he just say we won't know how much money overall is needed till they spend a bunch of money to find out?

[TheCount]

trust me. i'm listening. i just don't hear what you hear.

You've got no clue what I hear because I didn't tell you.

I thought he was a good speaker?

He's always spoken like this live, as far as I know. His prepared speeches are pretty darn good, but live he often does start and stop especially when he's being choosy about how he words something. I don't know a president that spoke smoothly in situations like this.

[Yeagermeister]

I thought he was a good speaker?

He is....with a teleprompter :D

[iceberg]

You've got no clue what I hear because I didn't tell you.

you're right.

now tell me i'm wrong.

create or save 4mil jobs. his crutch line.

[Avaj]

You guys are too busy nit picking what he's saying to actually listen and judge whether anything he's saying might actually make sense.

That is the only reasons the are watching :(

[TheCount]

you're right.

now tell me i'm wrong.

create or save 4mil jobs. his crutch line.

Of course you're wrong, you don't know a thing about me.

The numbers terrify me and there's nothing anyone could say that would make me go to bed tonight thinking, oh, this isn't that bad but I do believe him when he says he had no desire to have to spend this type of money. There isn't exactly a blueprint here.

[sacase]

wow...the reporter wants to film coffins? What happend to privacy for the families? what's to review. Soldiers deaths should not be media entertainment or politics. How tacky by the reporter.

[iceberg]

Of course you're wrong, you don't know a thing about me.

The numbers terrify me and there's nothing anyone could say that would make me go to bed tonight thinking, oh, this isn't that bad but I do believe him when he says he had no desire to have to spend this type of money. There isn't exactly a blueprint here.

so if i'm wrong because i don't know a thing about you - that's a fair statement.

but how do you know so much about me to know what i'm thinking when i suggest we see it differently? a few offhand comments tell you all you need to know but my reading your posts tell me nothing?

nice catch22 you got there.

[TheCount]

so if i'm wrong because i don't know a thing about you - that's a fair statement.

but how do you know so much about me to know what i'm thinking when i suggest we see it differently? a few offhand comments tell you all you need to know but my reading your posts tell me nothing?

nice catch22 you got there.

I'm afraid I'm not following. If you think I was telling you what you think, then I apologize, that wasn't my intention.

[iceberg]

I'm afraid I'm not following. If you think I was telling you what you think, then I apologize, that wasn't my intention.

i'm being sarcastic. : )

i think you were just overly sensitive (and likely w/good reason) to a remark i made saying we likely hear things differently from what obama says.

i stand by that statement 100% - but not just for obvious reasons that may or may not be true.

you said how can i know what you think?

you're right. i don't know. but i said that didn't make my statement wrong. when you said i was wrong i wanted to know how you could know me when i don't know you.

is that a good recap? i lost interest somewhere in the translations... : )

[MetalHead]

he needs to stop bashing bush.

where did the teleprompter go?

Fixed.

[BigWillie]

you're right.

now tell me i'm wrong.

create or save 4mil jobs. his crutch line.

He probably should have mentioned terrorists instead. That would have got the repubs on his side. ;)

[TheCount]

i'm being sarcastic. : )

i think you were just overly sensitive (and likely w/good reason) to a remark i made saying we likely hear things differently from what obama says.

i stand by that statement 100% - but not just for obvious reasons that may or may not be true.

you said how can i know what you think?

you're right. i don't know. but i said that didn't make my statement wrong. when you said i was wrong i wanted to know how you could know me when i don't know you.

is that a good recap? i lost interest somewhere in the translations... : )

Point taken. ;)

[DaBoys4Life]

Is there a written recap since I kind of lost interest in what he was saying after a while.

[CowboyMcCoy]

He probably should have mentioned terrorists instead. That would have got the repubs on his side. ;)

The "T-word". He's saving it for the near future when he really wants to unite the people.

[ThaBigP]

so if i'm wrong because i don't know a thing about you - that's a fair statement.

but how do you know so much about me to know what i'm thinking when i suggest we see it differently? a few offhand comments tell you all you need to know but my reading your posts tell me nothing?

nice catch22 you got there.

If you could read my mind, Count...
what a tale my thoughts could tell.
Just like an old time movie
'bout a ghost from a wishin' well...

[ThaBigP]

Best lines of the night:

Obama: "You know, I don't remember exactly what Joe was referring to, not surprisingly."

Hellen Thomas:

1) Referring to Al Quada as "so-called terrorists"
2) Demanding Obama make the biggest diplomatic blunder ever by trying to get him to say publicly that Israel has nukes.

Totally uncool, Hellen. Not an Obama fan, but good God we got enough on our plate as it is then trying to trap him into a bad slip-up.

[CowboyMcCoy]

I was down at the bistro and saw only a part of it. Anyone have a link?

[ThaBigP]

I was down at the bistro and saw only a part of it. Anyone have a link?

I imagine you'll be able to find it on YouTube once people have enough time to rip the video out of their DVRs. Hell, for all I know news orgs may even upload right after.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Not just Bush but every Republican, I think it's clear that him and the Dems are just going to do whatever they want.

They have the POWER. :chainsaw:
:D

[jrumann59]

I uh saw the uh speech and I was uh very uh unimpressed uh, he is uh supposed to uh be a uh polished uh speaker. Hey bush could not pronunciate but at least his sentences flowed andyou could get the gist of thought.

[Aikbach]

My spidey sense is telling me that Mitt Romney is probably the Republican frontrunner to unseat Obama if the financial mess continues to be exacerbated by government.

[ChldsPlay]

Answering one question about the difficulty of reaching across the aisle Obama basically said that the Republicans should vote for his stuff because he makes gestures to towards them. There just hasn't been much time and he hasn't made enough gestures, but after he makes enough gestures he thinks they'll come around.

So they should vote for things, not because they are good bills, but because it's what he wants and he did make gestures towards them afterall. Apparently he thinks gestures makes a bill a good bill no matter what.

What a buffoon. Can we have a recall??

[VCDefectors]

My spidey sense is telling me that Mitt Romney is probably the Republican frontrunner to unseat Obama if the financial mess continues to be exacerbated by government.

Mitt Romney is waaaay too right-wing to even have a shot at the white house seat. He wouldn't have the appeal among moderates and if you don't have that, you have no chance of winning.

[DaBoys4Life]

One thing I don't get is why he kept saying the republicans had it their way for the past 8 years when the Democrats were the majority the past two years.

[Doomsday101]

I watched the speech and frankly he gave a great speech however there are many different areas I disagree with him. 1 main one he talked about the small town he went to where unemployment is at 15% where many of them work in a RV plant yet his stimulus does nothing to help them as he goes on and brings that town back up he says the problem is buyers are unable to get loans even if they have good credit thus people are not buying these RV even though they were in the market to buy. He blames that on the credit freeze which is the problem and a problem that should be put to the fore front before wasting 800 billion that will do very little to stimulate the economy. It is like putting your shoes on before your pants, we may need the stimulus but let’s address the main problems 1st and then go from there.

[BrAinPaiNt]

One thing I don't get is why he kept saying the republicans had it their way for the past 8 years when the Democrats were the majority the past two years.

You do realize that the republicans also controlled the house prior to W being elected. They gained power during the clinton years.

[Doomsday101]

You do realize that the republicans also controlled the house prior to W being elected. They gained power during the clinton years.

Very true and the economy has been tanking the last 2 years which is about the time the democrats took control over both houses. I don't take any blame away from republicans but the Dems had a big hand in this as well

[BrAinPaiNt]

Very true and the economy has been tanking the last 2 years which is about the time the democrats took control over both houses. I don't take any blame away from republicans but the Dems had a big hand in this as well

Of course they do. Never said otherwise.

[iceberg]

overall impressions.

not a good speaker "off the cuff". many gaps, misdirectioned thought, and just overall scattered. he seemed to get better towards the end but it was still "rough".

i no longer buy his bipartisinship talk. too many bush slams and no acceptance of the democrats own role in the problems we're in. still blame bush.

coupled to this - i grew weary of his "if we're to get along you need to agree with me" stance. i hear him talking a good bipartinship, but i don't see him going there with more than talk.

saving or creating 4 million jobs. how do you prove you saved a job?

stop trying to convince me spending "at will" is going to directly create jobs. it may keep people busy and "save" a job for awhile, but if we don't keep spending the business will likely at this point it was a spike. if we "green" the government buildings, contractors have "a job" till it's over.

how does that help create jobs? is this a "save" or a stall?

overall wasn't as impressed with him here as i was during his campaign.

[heavyg]

Mitt Romney is waaaay too right-wing to even have a shot at the white house seat. He wouldn't have the appeal among moderates and if you don't have that, you have no chance of winning.

I dissagree. After 4 yrs of us having the FAR left running things the country will want another HUGE change. That being said I did not support Romney. I voted for Huckabee who would also be considered far right.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I dissagree. After 4 yrs of us having the FAR left running things the country will want another HUGE change. That being said I did not support Romney. I voted for Huckabee who would also be considered far right.

Huckabee and Romney are only considered far right in some areas. There was a great deal of people that believed they were not far right enough on other areas.

Furthermore Romney not getting the primary nod had some other areas that are better left not said in the forum.

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you could read my mind, Count...
what a tale my thoughts could tell.
Just like an old time movie
'bout a ghost from a wishin' well...


No problem in the world a little Lightfoot can't solve.

;)

[heavyg]

Furthermore Romney not getting the primary nod had some other areas that are better left not said in the forum.


I know exactely what your talking about ;)

[iceberg]

No problem in the world a little Lightfoot can't solve.

;)

well it's not bosa nova but it will do.

[ABQCOWBOY]

My first choice was Huck but I would have supported either Romney or Huck over McCain. I like McCain and would go so far as to say that I personally honor him for his service to our Country. However, McCain just didn't have the steam to beat President Obama and that was clear from the begining. If you listen to the debates again, I think many might be surprised at the fact that McCain was dead on on many issues. He just didn't project his belief well and as a result, it's like the smartest kid in the room answering the question asked while the rest of the class argues on about how to solve the equation. He's unheard because he doesn't have push. JMO of course.

[heavyg]

My first choice was Huck but I would have supported either Romney or Huck over McCain. I like McCain and would go so far as to say that I personally honor him for his service to our Country. However, McCain just didn't have the steam to beat President Obama and that was clear from the begining. If you listen to the debates again, I think many might be surprised at the fact that McCain was dead on on many issues. He just didn't project his belief well and as a result, it's like the smartest kid in the room answering the question asked while the rest of the class argues on about how to solve the equation. He's unheard because he doesn't have push. JMO of course.

Yeah McCain didn't have the "personality" to beat Obama. Plus I really believe the hatred for Bush was so high it didn't really matter. The only hope any of the Rep candidates had would have been if Hillary had got the Dem nod

[Danny White]

If Obama and the Democrats want "bi-partisan" support for their bill, then why did they shoot down Republican amendments by party-line votes?

[trickblue]

If Obama and the Democrats want "bi-partisan" support for their bill, then why did they shoot down Republican amendments by party-line votes?

Because they aren't...

They don't need Republican support to pass this, they just want them on board to share culpability should it not work...

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah McCain didn't have the "personality" to beat Obama. Plus I really believe the hatred for Bush was so high it didn't really matter. The only hope any of the Rep candidates had would have been if Hillary had got the Dem nod

Unfortunatly, I think your dead on here.

[Doomsday101]

My first choice was Huck but I would have supported either Romney or Huck over McCain. I like McCain and would go so far as to say that I personally honor him for his service to our Country. However, McCain just didn't have the steam to beat President Obama and that was clear from the begining. If you listen to the debates again, I think many might be surprised at the fact that McCain was dead on on many issues. He just didn't project his belief well and as a result, it's like the smartest kid in the room answering the question asked while the rest of the class argues on about how to solve the equation. He's unheard because he doesn't have push. JMO of course.

Given the media love feast with Obama I'm not sure anyone would have beaten him.

[DaBoys4Life]

Given the media love feast with Obama I'm not sure anyone would have beaten him.

That's what I'm saying could have ran against Obama and still lost.

[Doomsday101]

That's what I'm saying could have ran against Obama and still lost.

I think you may be right.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think you may be right.

He would never get out of the primaries because he would be seen as a hippy liberal full of too much love for his fellow man.:D

The nerve of that guy to feed the poor followers.

[zrinkill]

Given the media love feast with Obama I'm not sure anyone would have beaten him.


Reagan would have destroyed him ...... the only state he might have won would be California.

[zrinkill]

He would never get out of the primaries because he would be seen as a hippy liberal full of too much love for his fellow man.:D

The nerve of that guy to feed the poor followers.

Stop talking about religion or I will report you to yourself.

[ScipioCowboy]

That's what I'm saying could have ran against Obama and still lost.

I think you may be right.

So, are you comparing Barack Obama to Barabbas?:D

[Rogah]

Mitt Romney is waaaay too right-wing to even have a shot at the white house seat. He wouldn't have the appeal among moderates and if you don't have that, you have no chance of winning.Well, he won in Massachusetts which is a pretty darn liberal state. So he must have done something right as far as appealing to moderates.

[Danny White]

Well, he won in Massachusetts which is a pretty darn liberal state. So he must have done something right as far as appealing to moderates.
Romney is a liberal wolf in sheep's clothing.

I don't trust that guy one bit.

[trickblue]

Romney is a liberal wolf in sheep's clothing.

I don't trust that guy one bit.

He's an EXTREMELY smart man when it comes to finances, but he certainly wasn't a conservative during his governorship of Massachusetts. He changed positions to court conservatives, since the only real conservative in the bunch was Fred Thompson... and it was obvious his heart wasn't in that campaign...

[BrAinPaiNt]

He's an EXTREMELY smart man when it comes to finances, but he certainly wasn't a conservative during his governorship of Massachusetts. He changed positions to court conservatives, since the only real conservative in the bunch was Fred Thompson... and it was obvious his heart wasn't in that campaign...

Both Ron Paul and Duncan were conservatives as well. But they did not have a chance to win in the current "republican" market.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Both Ron Paul and Duncan were conservatives as well. But they did not have a chance to win in the current "republican" market.

I do like Ron Paul Brain.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I do like Ron Paul Brain.

Yes but we don't really have much pull in the primaries and there was no way in hades they were going to let him win...heck many of his opponents even painted him as a loon because he dared to point out our problems in dealing with the middle east over the years...basically calling him anti-american over it. I remember thompson and Rudy about having a coronary because they are too dung headed to get what he was talking about.

[Jarv]

I watched the speech and fell asleep during "24" !

Should have been the other way around. I was never for Obama, but I thought I would give him a chance. Here is what I did not like.

1) The answers to the questions took way too long.

2) Bush bashing, come on guy and why not blame Regan also.

3) There is no pork in this proposal. Come on, we are supposed to believe a 600 page package that has been trimmed already has absolutely no pork. Of course no one wants pork, but we all know its there. Treat us like fools.

4) All economist think this is the right thing to do. Like trying to make us believe there is no economist that disagree with this. Again, don't treat us like fools. Give us both sides and tell us why your ideas are better, instead of saying everyone who "Knows" agrees with me.

There is something else, a gut feeling that I haven't put my finger on yet "Arrogance maybe?" that really turns me off to this guy. Like he was humble and saying we have no blue or red states, just the United States...Now he says "I won".

Like, now that I'm in power and can't be stopped, you will see the real me.

Sure hope my gut feeling is wrong, but this could be the 1st president that might not want to give up power easily when its his time to go.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I watched the speech and fell asleep during "24" !

Should have been the other way around. I was never for Obama, but I thought I would give him a chance. Here is what I did not like.

1) The answers to the questions took way too long.

2) Bush bashing, come on guy and why not blame Regan also.

3) There is no pork in this proposal. Come on, we are supposed to believe a 600 page package that has been trimmed already has absolutely no pork. Of course no one wants pork, but we all know its there. Treat us like fools.

4) All economist think this is the right thing to do. Like trying to make us believe there is no economist that disagree with this. Again, don't treat us like fools. Give us both sides and tell us why your ideas are better, instead of saying everyone who "Knows" agrees with me.

There is something else, a gut feeling that I haven't put my finger on yet "Arrogance maybe?" that really turns me off to this guy. Like he was humble and saying we have no blue or red states, just the United States...Now he says "I won".

Like, now that I'm in power and can't be stopped, you will see the real me.

Sure hope my gut feeling is wrong, but this could be the 1st president that might not want to give up power easily when its his time to go.

No president wants to give up power easily when it is their time to go.

Nor are there presidents coming in that will give up all the powers a previous president had gained.

[Jarv]

No president wants to give up power easily when it is their time to go.

Nor are there presidents coming in that will give up all the powers a previous president had gained.

Huh ?

What I meant, this guy may not want to give up the office when its time for him to leave...He gets likened to FDR at times...who happens to have been a 4 term president, if you catch my drift.

[Rogah]

Sure hope my gut feeling is wrong, but this could be the 1st president that might not want to give up power easily when its his time to go.With all due respect, I was very critical of the people who said the same thing about George Bush these past few years, so I have to be critical of this statement as well.

There are a couple hundred politicians and, more important, a couple million servicemen who have all sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. And the Constitution says, in no uncertain terms, that Obama can only serve 4 years as POTUS per term with a maximum of 2 terms.

Whether he wants to give up power or not is irrelevant. It will happen at the pre-ordained time.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Huh ?

What I meant, this guy may not want to give up the office when its time for him to leave...He gets likened to FDR at times...who happens to have been a 4 term president, if you catch my drift.

Well Rogah beat me to the punch...so I agree with what he said.:D

And for your scenario to hold true that would mean that the economy turned around greatly and we prospered from his decisions. I don't think you think that is going to happen...or maybe you do and that is what scares you into thinking he will turn things around so much, in a good way, that he would somehow change things to get voted in again and still win by a huge margin.

So you must have some serious sleep problems lately.:D

[Jarv]

With all due respect, I was very critical of the people who said the same thing about George Bush these past few years, so I have to be critical of this statement as well.

There are a couple hundred politicians and, more important, a couple million servicemen who have all sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. And the Constitution says, in no uncertain terms, that Obama can only serve 4 years as POTUS per term with a maximum of 2 terms.

Whether he wants to give up power or not is irrelevant. It will happen at the pre-ordained time.

With all due respect back to you, I said this was a "gut" feeling. I'm a Bush fan...and you don't see many around here. Kinda of like 1989 living in CT being a Cowboys fan :)

I'm just saying, without any proof, that I could see him fighting this in some way. Heck, the census this was never taken over by any administration either, as far as I know.

[Jarv]

Well Rogah beat me to the punch...so I agree with what he said.:D

And for your scenario to hold true that would mean that the economy turned around greatly and we prospered from his decisions. I don't think you think that is going to happen...or maybe you do and that is what scares you into thinking he will turn things around so much, in a good way, that he would somehow change things to get voted in again and still win by a huge margin.

So you must have some serious sleep problems lately.:D

Actually, like FDR I was thinking that he was telling us we are on the verge of a disaster (ala WWII) and he needs to stay in office (like FDR) because we need his leadership during this crisis.

And yes, I have not been getting a lot of sleep lately, hence the falling asleep during the only TV show I watch anymore :)

[Aikbach]

I wasn't endorsing Romney fellas', I'm just pointing out who I think will benefit the most from economic trouble, Mr.Romney fits the bill so to speak.

[Beast_from_East]

With all due respect back to you, I said this was a "gut" feeling. I'm a Bush fan...and you don't see many around here. Kinda of like 1989 living in CT being a Cowboys fan :)

I'm just saying, without any proof, that I could see him fighting this in some way. Heck, the census this was never taken over by any administration either, as far as I know.

It would take a Constitutional Amendment to allow a president to serve more than 2 terms like FDR did.


If I remember correctly from my college civics classes, a Constitutional Amendment requires 3/4 approval of both houses of Congress and it must be ratified by 2/3 of the State Legislatures.

While not totally out of the realm of possibility, I would give this less than 1% chance of happening while Obama is in office.


NOTE.......The only thing that might change this would be a catasrophic attack on the US mainland that was so devastating the an argument could be made to pass an Amendment to allow Obama to stay in office.

Most likely it would take a nuclear detonation in a major US city for something like this to even be considered.

[Doomsday101]

Both Ron Paul and Duncan were conservatives as well. But they did not have a chance to win in the current "republican" market.

Ron Paul comes off as goofy, granted it should not be all about personality and in his case it wasn't his stance on Iraq and Afganistan hurt him as well within the republican party

[iceberg]

not to derail the current part of the discussion, but does anyone find it odd that obama started calling out liberal blogs to ask questions during a presidential press conference?

[Doomsday101]

not to derail the current part of the discussion, but does anyone find it odd that obama started calling out liberal blogs to ask questions during a presidential press conference?

No he is playing to a starry eyed audience.

[Bach]

He would never get out of the primaries because he would be seen as a hippy liberal full of too much love for his fellow man.:D

The nerve of that guy to feed the poor followers.

I don't think he fed them with government programs. It is supposed to be the church, families, individuals that take care of the needy.

But you're right, he never would've gotten out of the primaries, being a staunch supporter of the rights for the unborn, prayer, and marriage between one man with one woman. Yeah, he would've been cast aside by the leftists and moderates very quickly.

[iceberg]

No he is playing to a starry eyed audience.

well i didn't catch it cause i have no idea who's what and really don't care. but a friend at work i'm trying to get to post in here caught it and said it was about the same as having rush limbaugh in there asking questions - to illustrate to the other side.

so, don't listen to rush, but listen to the liberal bloggers who asked something about bush being brought up on charges.

i think in all the answer i was most disappointed with (by the time he got it out) was when one reporter wanted to film coffins coming home. he stammered around, redefined stutter, and actually left it open for debate.

to me - no. this is a private family matter and we don't need to parade around our fallen soldiers cause you hate the war. not even up for debate as far as i'm concerned.

[heavyg]

He would never get out of the primaries because he would be seen as a hippy liberal full of too much love for his fellow man.:D

The nerve of that guy to feed the poor followers.

Yes but he would have also condemned the homosexual lifestyle and the killing of innocent babies