Why are Porky Obama and Princess Pelosi hiding the spending bill from America?

[JBond]

Where is the bill? Why are the American public not allowed to read it? For that matter why are the congress people voting on it not allowed to read it? Why are they hiding?

What happened to clear and transparent government?

Porky and the princess need to allow the citizens they rule over the chance to see and debate this bill for a minimum of two weeks.

The world will not end if this is pushed back two weeks.

Americans need time to read and understand what the liberals want to do to our country. Out of respect to the citizens of the US they need to be open and transparent as promised.

[JBond]

Found it. Skip past the the first part that shows what was removed and scroll down to what is in it.

Go down about halfway where the spending starts and click on some links. See if it is going to stimulate the economy or if it is more permanant spending by the federal government.

Happy reading. This is tedious stuff and there is no way any of the folks on capital hill have read this thing. It is over a thousand pages.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:7:./temp/~c111JtnLQP::

[theogt]

Lol...

It's also here:

http://appropriations.house.gov/

[JBond]

Lol...

It's also here:

http://appropriations.house.gov/

Thanks. The link I found is not working.


Is this the final copy that is being voted on in a couple of hours?

[Jarv]

Thanks. The link I found is not working.


Is this the final copy that is being voted on in a couple of hours?

Could a 1,000 page plan be written in a week ? Me thinks this has been in the plan all along and they brought it out the day Obuya took office.

[TheCount]

Could a 1,000 page plan be written in a week ? Me thinks this has been in the plan all along and they brought it out the day Obuya took office.

Do you usually show up for your first day on the job in socks and boxers?

[Jarv]

Do you usually show up for your first day on the job in socks and boxers?

Well maybe if I was a sumo wrestler...

[theogt]

Could a 1,000 page plan be written in a week ? Me thinks this has been in the plan all along and they brought it out the day Obuya took office.Yes, it could be written in a week, easily.

[Hoofbite]

Yes, it could be written in a week, easily.

3 inch margins, double spaced. Yep, pretty easy.

[DIAF]

quite easily. Gotta keep in mind how many people are working on drafting this legislation.

[Jordan55]

We can only hope
Please I would love to see it fall apart, you can't always get what want, but if you try sometime you get what you need, hopefully the three RINO's wake up, since the Dems, added the pork right back into this bill.
CNN has learned that one day after securing an agreement on a giant economic stimulus bill that is expected to pass narrowly with the votes of three moderate Republicans, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is calling other Republican centrists trying to persuade more of them to vote for the measure.
He’s looking for additional votes out of an abundance of caution, an aide explained, after learning that ailing Sen. Ted Kennedy, who returned to Capitol Hill for votes earlier this week, has now gone back to Florida to continue his recovery from brain cancer and won’t be here for a final vote on the stimulus bill in the coming days.
None of this would have been necessary had Pelosi invited the Republicans to help draft the bill in the first place. There were plenty of Republicans who would have supported a big-spending plan, balanced with the right kinds of tax cuts and incentives. Had Pelosi done that, the resulting stimulus bill would have already sailed through Congress with wide bipartisan margins. Her failure to act responsibly in the beginning has been the reason for all of the problems that followed.
Now Reid has to scrounge up more Republicans, but with Gregg publicly rejected the stimulus last night and rejoining the Senate, he may have trouble holding the three he already has. Reid knows it, too — otherwise, he wouldn’t bother looking for more. If Arlen Specter, Susan Collins, or Olympia Snowe change their minds, Reid winds up with an embarrassing loss, and Pelosi has to go back to the drawing board.

[nathanlt]

It's an interesting side note that Nancy Pelosi is scheduled to depart for an 8 day trip to Rome at 6pm TODAY!

[Jordan55]

Hell not only are they hiding the bill from us but also from the idiots voting for it.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) predicted on Thursday that none of his Senate colleagues would "have the chance" to read the entire final version of the $790-billion stimulus bill before the bill comes up for a final vote in Congress. “No, I don’t think anyone will have the chance to [read the entire bill],” Lautenberg told CNSNews.com

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, it could be written in a week, easily.

Their is no way a 800 Billion Budget plan can be written in a week.

[Hoofbite]

Their is no way a 800 Billion Budget plan can be written in a week.

Sure there is. Basically you just pull out a plan that only calls for 800 million and tack a few zeros onto everything.

How long do you think it should take?

[Hoofbite]

Do you usually show up for your first day on the job in socks and boxers?

:bow:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sure there is. Basically you just pull out a plan that only calls for 800 million and tack a few zeros onto everything.

How long do you think it should take?


We are supposed to believe that this whole thing was reworked, in accordence with Republican input (Chuckles the Clown from Pennsylvania and those two Wingnuts from Maine) just this past week and now we have an 800 Billion Dollar Budget done in 4 days? I don't think so.

[Hoofbite]

We are supposed to believe that this whole thing was reworked, in accordence with Republican input (Chuckles the Clown from Pennsylvania and those two Wingnuts from Maine) just this past week and now we have an 800 Billion Dollar Budget done in 4 days? I don't think so.

What is shocking for you? The dollar amount? Length of the bill?

I mean they are just throwing Monopoly money. Its not like they plan on detailing where every penning goes. Too hard to pocket any when you have that. They just throw out numbers. Few hundred million year, couple billion there.

To be realistic most of the bill is probably a bunch provisions, stipulations, restrictions, requirements, and disclaimers filled with the typical mumble jumble. All they really have to do is throw a dart at the dartboard to decide how many millions upon millions are going to whatever area they drew out of the hat.

Writing the bill is probably one of the few things thats easier than putting together the next Will Ferrell, Luke/Owen Wilson, Ben Stiller movie. Just a big cookie cutter process with some different frosting.

[theogt]

Their is no way a 800 Billion Budget plan can be written in a week.It's not a "budget plan." You can very easily have 1000+ pages of legislation put together in just days. It's really just 1000 pages of smaller pieces of legislation that are slapped together under one roof. If each senator and representative's staff contributed just 2 pages each, you'd be well over 1000 pages.

I do feel sorry for the team that has to coordinate the whole effort, though. They probably haven't slept in weeks.

[ABQCOWBOY]

What is shocking for you? The dollar amount? Length of the bill?

I mean they are just throwing Monopoly money. Its not like they plan on detailing where every penning goes. Too hard to pocket any when you have that. They just throw out numbers. Few hundred million year, couple billion there.

To be realistic most of the bill is probably a bunch provisions, stipulations, restrictions, requirements, and disclaimers filled with the typical mumble jumble. All they really have to do is throw a dart at the dartboard to decide how many millions upon millions are going to whatever area they drew out of the hat.

Writing the bill is probably one of the few things thats easier than putting together the next Will Ferrell, Luke/Owen Wilson, Ben Stiller movie. Just a big cookie cutter process with some different frosting.

I don't recall using the word shocking. I'm saying that this is a load of crap. They already had this thing ready to go. They are introducing it now because they hope that they can slide it by without much bad press etc. They don't want the American people or even their own party looking at this thing very closely so they introduce it the Friday before a long holiday. That's what I'm saying. Shocking? No, more like expected but still not happy about how the Government is trying to do this.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's not a "budget plan." You can very easily have 1000+ pages of legislation put together in just days. It's really just 1000 pages of smaller pieces of legislation that are slapped together under one roof. If each senator and representative's staff contributed just 2 pages each, you'd be well over 1000 pages.

I do feel sorry for the team that has to coordinate the whole effort, though. They probably haven't slept in weeks.

I don't really agree with this Theo. I think it is a Budget plan. If you look at it, that's exactly what it is.

[theogt]

I don't really agree with this Theo. I think it is a Budget plan. If you look at it, that's exactly what it is.No, it's not at all a "budget plan." They still have to pass that later.

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, it's not at all a "budget plan." They still have to pass that later.

:laugh2:

Exactly

[silverbear]

Where is the bill? Why are the American public not allowed to read it? For that matter why are the congress people voting on it not allowed to read it? Why are they hiding?

What happened to clear and transparent government?

It died... Dubya killed it...

Americans need time to read and understand what the liberals want to do to our country. Out of respect to the citizens of the US they need to be open and transparent as promised.

Americans are NEVER gonna read the whole thing, that's simply an unrealistic expectation... they're counting on their Congressmen to read it, and act wisely...

And please, don't DARE talk about "respect to the citizens of the US", not after the GOP gave us Dubya... we've never had a President who disrespected the citizens of this country more...

This bill has been poked, prodded, analyzed and changed over the course of more than a month now, if any Americans are uninformed as to what it's about, it's because they're too damned lazy to take the time to inform themselves...

Either that, or they're REALLY slow readers...

[silverbear]

It's an interesting side note that Nancy Pelosi is scheduled to depart for an 8 day trip to Rome at 6pm TODAY!

And what exactly is interesting about that??

[silverbear]

I don't recall using the word shocking. I'm saying that this is a load of crap. They already had this thing ready to go.

Well, they had a preliminary version of the bill ready to go from Day One... really, does that surprise you??

But the final version that was approved was a COMPROMISE version, estimated to contain about 90 per cent of what Obama originally sought... clearly, those compromises were not "ready to go" prior to the last couple-three days...

They are introducing it now because they hope that they can slide it by without much bad press etc.

Good God, man, this thing has been talked to DEATH these last 3 weeks... what rock have you been hiding under??

And exactly how much debate do you require for the passage of a given bill??

Your suggestion that this is some secret agenda being rammed through quickly so as to avoid scrutiny is quite ridiculous... this thing has been scrutinzed seven ways from Sunday, and has received quite a bit of quite specific criticism, some of it from the Dems...

No, more like expected but still not happy about how the Government is trying to do this.

They're doing it the way Dubya did it, and I find it highly amusing that that annoys you...

Just like I find the right's virulent hatred of Keith Olbermann to be hysterical, inasmuch as he's just the left's answer to Rush Limbaugh, minus the dishonesty...

[Jordan55]

The Entitlement Cult of O, have to be trilled!


On Valentine’s Day, I like to think positive thoughts. So, I would like to believe that even the dark cloud known as the “stimulus package” may have a silver lining. With the “package” wrapped up nice and pretty and agreed to by both the House and Senate, some folks are actually taking the time to read the small print on all 1,071 pages of the legislation.





From what I can tell from news reports about the contents of the final bill, it is clear that what really got stimulated over the past several weeks were the bowels of the Democratic Party. Seems like every cockamamie socialist program that didn’t see the light of day during the past eight years has suddenly been disgorged into this massive trillion-dollar legislative receptacle. I suggest that we call this monumental monstrosity the Ex-Lax Act of 2009.

So, is there a silver lining in this piece of congressional crapola? Yes there is. American voters will now get a whiff of big government socialism and I believe that those who actually pay taxes, and invest their savings, may once again appreciate the attributes inherent in the system envisioned by our founding fathers—limited government, private property, personal freedom and open markets.

Some taxpayers who previously cast their ballots for “change” may start to question the messianic message of their new leaders and recognize that while the Obamanistas claim that all people are equal, what they really believe is that some people are more equal than others. Need I mention Tom Daschle and Timothy Geitner? It is easy to raise taxes and burden future generations with a mountain of debt if you happen to be among the elite party apparatchiks who rule the proletariat without abiding by . . . the rules.

When the pendulum finally swings back toward the economic and political values that made this nation great, I hope that Americans will recognize the absolute truth in Winston Churchill’s observation that, “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” If that alone is the silver lining in the dark cloud we face today, then our current suffering will have been worth the reward. If we fail as a people to experience this epiphany, then it will take more than some messianic spin-doctor to save our national soul.
by Nick Nichols

[MetalHead]

The Entitlement Cult of O, have to be trilled!


On Valentine’s Day, I like to think positive thoughts. So, I would like to believe that even the dark cloud known as the “stimulus package” may have a silver lining. With the “package” wrapped up nice and pretty and agreed to by both the House and Senate, some folks are actually taking the time to read the small print on all 1,071 pages of the legislation.





From what I can tell from news reports about the contents of the final bill, it is clear that what really got stimulated over the past several weeks were the bowels of the Democratic Party. Seems like every cockamamie socialist program that didn’t see the light of day during the past eight years has suddenly been disgorged into this massive trillion-dollar legislative receptacle. I suggest that we call this monumental monstrosity the Ex-Lax Act of 2009.

So, is there a silver lining in this piece of congressional crapola? Yes there is. American voters will now get a whiff of big government socialism and I believe that those who actually pay taxes, and invest their savings, may once again appreciate the attributes inherent in the system envisioned by our founding fathers—limited government, private property, personal freedom and open markets.

Some taxpayers who previously cast their ballots for “change” may start to question the messianic message of their new leaders and recognize that while the Obamanistas claim that all people are equal, what they really believe is that some people are more equal than others. Need I mention Tom Daschle and Timothy Geitner? It is easy to raise taxes and burden future generations with a mountain of debt if you happen to be among the elite party apparatchiks who rule the proletariat without abiding by . . . the rules.

When the pendulum finally swings back toward the economic and political values that made this nation great, I hope that Americans will recognize the absolute truth in Winston Churchill’s observation that, “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” If that alone is the silver lining in the dark cloud we face today, then our current suffering will have been worth the reward. If we fail as a people to experience this epiphany, then it will take more than some messianic spin-doctor to save our national soul.
by Nick Nichols

Great quote by one of the greatest men who walked this earth.
The man that saw it coming,yet not many paid attention.
The dared to call him paranoid over his Hitler warnings.