Let's pretend that McCain had won the election

[VCDefectors]

How do you think McCain/Palin would have handled the economic crisis? Do you think he would have stuck to his campaign promise of less government intervention and lower taxes for everybody? Your thoughts.

[Rogah]

How do you think McCain/Palin would have handled the economic crisis? Do you think he would have stuck to his campaign promise of less government intervention and lower taxes for everybody? Your thoughts.If McCain had won the election, he would still have been dealing with an solidly-Democratic Congress. There may have been some subtle differences but I think overall we would have had a stimulus package very much like the one Obama passed.

[MetalHead]

Let's deal with reality.
McCain lost.Your Bossa Nova candidate won.
Wall Street is sure showing confidence.
Look at the Dow industrial since May.(Why May?...look at the DNC primary results)
That's how much people with something to lose think of him.

[theogt]

Let's deal with reality.
McCain lost.Your Bossa Nova candidate won.
Wall Street is sure showing confidence.
Look at the Dow industrial since May.(Why May?...look at the DNC primary results)
That's how much people with something to lose think of him.So, Obama is responsible for a crises and a decline in the market that happened even before he became president?

That's some power.

[TheCount]

Let's deal with reality.
McCain lost.Your Bossa Nova candidate won.
Wall Street is sure showing confidence.
Look at the Dow industrial since May.(Why May?...look at the DNC primary results)
That's how much people with something to lose think of him.

You make it very hard for anyone to take you seriously with comments like this.

[MetalHead]

You make it very hard for anyone to take you seriously with comments like this.

You make it hard for me to take you seriously everytime you post.

[Cajuncowboy]

This is funny. When your side is getting their butt kicked, lets start with hypothetical situations to take the focus off what an awful job your side is doing.

[MetalHead]

So, Obama is responsible for a crises and a decline in the market that happened even before he became president?

That's some power.

I saw it coming.
Small business USA saw it coming.
Wall Street saw it coming.

How come you and the Obamites and the culture of CHANGE did not see it coming?

[burmafrd]

Obama is responsible for Geitner and his plan has already started sinking. So yes OGT Obama certainly has some responsibility. And remember he was in the Senate for some years and also has responsibility for his actions there (what few there were) and not doing anything himself with all the warning signs.

[TheCount]

You make it hard for me to take you seriously everytime you post.

Wow, I didn't see that one coming from a mile away. You're going to hurt my feelings if you keep throwing these witty barbs my way.

Leave it to these guys and soon not only will Obama be the one responsible for the economic slump, but somehow he'll be responsible for starting the Afghan and Iraq wars and just about every other national issue America has.

Hell, he may be responsible for your cereal getting soggy when you leave it in milk in the morning.

[MetalHead]

Wow, I didn't see that one coming from a mile away. You're going to hurt my feelings if you keep throwing these witty barbs my way.

Leave it to these guys and soon not only will Obama be the one responsible for the economic slump, but somehow he'll be responsible for starting the Afghan and Iraq wars and just about every other national issue America has.

Hell, he may be responsible for your cereal getting soggy when you leave it in milk in the morning.

Hope that post helps you sleep well tonight.
Sleep like a baby Mr Glass...wake up every 2 hours crying.

[TheCount]

Hope that post helps you sleep well tonight.
Sleep like a baby Mr Glass...wake up every 2 hours crying.

I sleep quite well, thanks for the concern.

[DaBoys4Life]

Wow, I didn't see that one coming from a mile away. You're going to hurt my feelings if you keep throwing these witty barbs my way.

Leave it to these guys and soon not only will Obama be the one responsible for the economic slump, but somehow he'll be responsible for starting the Afghan and Iraq wars and just about every other national issue America has.

Hell, he may be responsible for your cereal getting soggy when you leave it in milk in the morning.

I think both sides go a little over board in their description of Obama.

[CowboyWay]

How do you think McCain/Palin would have handled the economic crisis? Do you think he would have stuck to his campaign promise of less government intervention and lower taxes for everybody? Your thoughts.


Palin would ask the russians how to spell "economic crisis" before she worried about handling it.

[Rowdy]

Palin would ask the russians how to spell "economic crisis" before she worried about handling it.

If you are right, then would that mean she would want you to capitalize "Russians"?

[DaBoys4Life]

If you are right, then would that mean she would want you to capitalize "Russians"?

:muttley:

[CowboyWay]

If you are right, then would that mean she would want you to capitalize "Russians"?

She would have spelled it rushians

[burmafrd]

What little credibility you had just left.

[VCDefectors]

If McCain had won the election, he would still have been dealing with an solidly-Democratic Congress. There may have been some subtle differences but I think overall we would have had a stimulus package very much like the one Obama passed.

Thanks for staying on-topic.

McCain is a tough one to figure out. While his voting record demonstrates moderist tendencies, his campaign rhetoric suggests that he was going w/ a Reagan type of economic policy. It would have been interesting to see which direction he would have gone as president.

[burmafrd]

I agree that what came through Congress would not have been all that different if McCain was president.

[CowboyWay]

What little credibility you had just left.


this just never gets old !!!!
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[iceberg]

I sleep quite well, thanks for the concern.

that *******.

i hate soggy cerial.

[theogt]

I saw it coming.
Small business USA saw it coming.
Wall Street saw it coming.

How come you and the Obamites and the culture of CHANGE did not see it coming?:lmao2: :lmao:

You didn't see squat coming. Hell, you wouldn't even know what to look for.

[Cajuncowboy]

:lmao2: :lmao:

You didn't see squat coming. Hell, you wouldn't even know what to look for.

Actually this was seen coming. As a matter of fact during the election I said that for sure if Obama would get elected this would get much worse and more and more layoffs would happen because employers would use the economic panic to get rid of people due to the tax increases Obama would levy.

Thus the plummet of the market, the rash of layoffs and the downturn in confidence.

When you start saying you are going to tax even more the ones who are providing the jobs in a bad economy, you make people do things that they normally wouldn't.

I knew it would happen and it has.

[theogt]

Actually this was seen coming. As a matter of fact during the election I said that for sure if Obama would get elected this would get much worse and more and more layoffs would happen because employers would use the economic panic to get rid of people due to the tax increases Obama would levy.

Thus the plummet of the market, the rash of layoffs and the downturn in confidence.

When you start saying you are going to tax even more the ones who are providing the jobs in a bad economy, you make people do things that they normally wouldn't.

I knew it would happen and it has.So, approximately, how many more layoffs have their been because of Obama? How many would there have been under McCain?

[CowboyMcCoy]

This is funny. When your side is getting their butt kicked, lets start with hypothetical situations to take the focus off what an awful job your side is doing.
:lmao2:

One side expects the other side to fix a disaster that took 8 years to make. Not only should we fix this, make it happen in 4 weeks.
You're smart, buddy, real smart.

[CowboyFan74]

How do you think McCain/Palin would have handled the economic crisis? Do you think he would have stuck to his campaign promise of less government intervention and lower taxes for everybody? Your thoughts.


The economy wouldn't have fallen so steeply as it has because people with money wouldn't have scrambled to hide their money and take it out of circulation. Due to all the bad loans the decline was inevitable irregardless...

[Cajuncowboy]

So, approximately, how many more layoffs have their been because of Obama? How many would there have been under McCain?

Less with McCain because he wouldn't have scared the crap out of the people providing the jobs.

He's already said he was going to increase the taxes on the so called rich. Well, they provide the jobs.

Crap rolls downhill.

Obamanomics is learning this on the fly, but they are learning it.

[VCDefectors]

Less with McCain because he wouldn't have scared the crap out of the people providing the jobs.

He's already said he was going to increase the taxes on the so called rich. Well, they provide the jobs.

Crap rolls downhill.

Obamanomics is learning this on the fly, but they are learning it.

I seriously doubt that any of these massive layoff numbers we are seeing has anything to do with Obama's potential tax policies for the +$250,000 crowd.

And it's highly doubtful that McCain would have had any short-term impact on what's going on in the economy.

So, I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion.

[burmafrd]

As usual Cowboy tries to blame Bush for this- pretty stupid but then what do you expect? Clinton's fingerprints as well as BarneY Frank, DODD, and others are all over it as well- but he cannot admit it because then he has to committ hari-kari.

[ZeroClub]

How do you think McCain/Palin would have handled the economic crisis? Do you think he would have stuck to his campaign promise of less government intervention and lower taxes for everybody? Your thoughts.

Assuming a Republican administration and Democratic controlled congress, we'd have paralysis (gridlock) and even more frantic partisian bickering in the face of current problems.

[Yoshimitsu]

The same **** would be going on.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Actually this was seen coming. As a matter of fact during the election I said that for sure if Obama would get elected this would get much worse and more and more layoffs would happen because employers would use the economic panic to get rid of people due to the tax increases Obama would levy.

Thus the plummet of the market, the rash of layoffs and the downturn in confidence.

When you start saying you are going to tax even more the ones who are providing the jobs in a bad economy, you make people do things that they normally wouldn't.

I knew it would happen and it has.

You didn't see anything because you guaranteed that there was no way Obama would win.:cool:

[Jordan55]

Palin would ask the russians how to spell "economic crisis" before she worried about handling it.

Yeah so WOW! you didn't like Palin, their are alot of us who were not crazy about her as the pick for VP,::rolleyes: but she's not the one who cost the election for the Republicans, but hey lets hear the about positives that have impressed you by this buffoon, Joe Biden, who is now sitting in the seat as your Democratic pick for VP.:bang2:

Could it have been the Huffington Post or Kos, or the unbias media that helped you form an opinion on Palin, or was it your thorough investigative research on her. Was she qualified for VP, probably not, Is Obama qualified for the Presidency, it doesn't look good thus far.

[Jarv]

:lmao2:

One side expects the other side to fix a disaster that took 8 years to make. Not only should we fix this, make it happen in 4 weeks.
You're smart, buddy, real smart.

Sorry, the real McCoy is thus. The economic "Disaster" as you described started 2 years ago. What a coincidence, just when the Libs (including Obuya) took power in congress and started pushing through their policies.

Well, you got what you wished for...:laugh2: I guess you like things the way they are now. Thanks...:mad:

[Rowdy]

Yeah so WOW! you didn't like Palin, their are alot of us who were not crazy about her as the pick for VP,::rolleyes: but she's not the one who cost the election for the Republicans, but hey lets hear the about positives that have impressed you by this buffoon, Joe Biden, who is now sitting in the seat as your Democratic pick for VP.:bang2:

:hammer:

[Jordan55]

Assuming a Republican administration and Democratic controlled congress, we'd have paralysis (gridlock) and even more frantic partisian bickering in the face of current problems.


Maybe with a stanch conservative, I would agree. but McCain, had already supported the first stimlus package, he might have pushed for more tax cuts and less pork spending, but the Dems would have still won out in the end and for the next two years. The bickering will never end, unity is a joke the views of the two parties are like mixing oil and water. Not Happening.

[tyke1doe]

If McCain had won the election ...

Tina Fey would still be making us LOL with her Sarah Palin impression. :laugh1:

[Jordan55]

Obama, leads his flock to the sea,
One Big *** mistake America!

http://www.jillstanek.com/pied%20piper.jpg

[MetalHead]

:lmao2: :lmao:

You didn't see squat coming. Hell, you wouldn't even know what to look for.

That's where you are wrong,kid.
Some of us have been paying attention.
Instead of combing the thesaurus in search of big words,some here actually read the news,look for trends and keep our eyes and ears open.
I'm one of those.

[theogt]

That's where you are wrong,kid.
Some of us have been paying attention.
Instead of combing the thesaurus in search of big words,some here actually read the news,look for trends and keep our eyes and ears open.
I'm one of those.Hell, you can't even understand all of the words in my posts, much less understand complex financial transactions and how they affect the economy.

But, yeah, I'm sure you saw everything coming. Good one.

[iceberg]

Hell, you can't even understand all of the words in my posts, much less understand complex financial transactions and how they affect the economy.

But, yeah, I'm sure you saw everything coming. Good one.

and you can't spot a soft recession.

for someone who brags as much as you do, you get it as wrong as the rest of us.

just because no one understands you doesn't make you smart.

[tyke1doe]

Obama, leads his flock to the sea,
One Big *** mistake America!

http://www.jillstanek.com/pied%20piper.jpg

I thought you were going to post a picture of Obama as Moses leading the Israelites through the Red Sea. ;)

[theogt]

and you can't spot a soft recession.

for someone who brags as much as you do, you get it as wrong as the rest of us.

just because no one understands you doesn't make you smart.Does this have to be explained to you again? Gosh, you'd think after numerous times of explaining it to you it'd sink in. Some people just have thicker skulls I guess.

[iceberg]

Does this have to be explained to you again? Gosh, you'd think after numerous times of explaining it to you it'd sink in. Some people just have thicker skulls I guess.

what you don't get is i don't care how you explain it away.

you were wrong.

[theogt]

what you don't get is i don't care how you explain it away.

you were wrong.You're exactly right. I was wrong because I couldn't predict a single person's behavior.

[iceberg]

You're exactly right. I was wrong because I couldn't predict a single person's behavior.

still can't. but you fit the obnoxious arrogant role well, so play on barney.

[theogt]

still can't. but you fit the obnoxious arrogant role well, so play on barney.Oh, I wholly admit that I'm unable to predict how particular individuals will react in particular situations. You sure got me.

Let me know your secret, Ms. Cleo.

[iceberg]

Oh, I wholly admit that I'm unable to predict how particular individuals will react in particular situations. You sure got me.

Let me know your secret, Ms. Cleo.

so who said i could?

for a guy so good with numbers, you'd think by now you're realize there are more than 2 facets possible in a conversation.

[Cajuncowboy]

You didn't see anything because you guaranteed that there was no way Obama would win.:cool:

Actually, I posted this very exact thing. And you know it.

Just because I didn't think there would be that many morons who would vote for this idiot doesn't mean I didn't know what would happen if he did get elected.

[theogt]

so who said i could?

for a guy so good with numbers, you'd think by now you're realize there are more than 2 facets possible in a conversation.Gosh, I thought a guy that criticizes someone constantly for not being able to predict every action by every person, might actually have that ability. Otherwise, he's just a hypocrite, isn't he?

[iceberg]

Gosh, I thought a guy that criticizes someone constantly for not being able to predict every action by every person, might actually have that ability. Otherwise, he's just a hypocrite, isn't he?

if you need me to be so you're happy, theo, sure.

most would see i'm just throwing rocks at your ivory tower cause you like to flip your nose up at us commoners a lot.

but enough of that. i don't have time to explain common sense to you anymore.

[theogt]

if you need me to be so you're happy, theo, sure.

most would see i'm just throwing rocks at your ivory tower cause you like to flip your nose up at us commoners a lot.

but enough of that. i don't have time to explain common sense to you anymore.Oh, I'm well aware of your role in the conversation.

[iceberg]

Oh, I'm well aware of your role in the conversation.

well that explains all the pesants dancing.

[MetalHead]

Hell, you can't even understand all of the words in my posts, much less understand complex financial transactions and how they affect the economy.

But, yeah, I'm sure you saw everything coming. Good one.

:lmao2:
I'm amused at how much you think you know.
Humble pie never made to your table during your developmental years.
Or maybe you are still developing.

[theogt]

:lmao2:
I'm amused at how much you think you know.
Humble pie never made to your table during your developmental years.
Or maybe you are still developing.I know you'd like to think that knowing more than you is a high bar, but it's not really.

[iceberg]

I know you'd like to think that knowing more than you is a high bar, but it's not really.

well i'm glad you've set a realistic goal then.

[Jordan55]

I thought you were going to post a picture of Obama as Moses leading the Israelites through the Red Sea. ;)

No that one slipped me, but I like it.

Cheese for everyone, Follow me in my quest to take care of our entitlement society

http://www.dorothylees-blakey.org/images/rats.jpg

[MetalHead]

I know you'd like to think that knowing more than you is a high bar, but it's not really.

That would be you.
You are the one who comes here passing yourself as an economic guru,trying to make yourself feel better by pretending to understand complex financial transactions and the world's economy.

Not me...I'm a simple guy who understands the fact that you cannot cheat math,not with complexities or big words.

[Jordan55]

That would be you.
You are the one who comes here passing yourself as an economic guru,trying to make yourself feel better by pretending to understand complex financial transactions and the world's economy.

Not me...I'm a simple guy who understands the fact that you cannot cheat math,not with complexities or big words.

Sounds like a true Lib to me, thay know what's best for everyone while they look down their nose at you in contempt because you disagree with them:rolleyes: The entitlement cult of O, theogt is there with quite a few others. You no longer have to work for a living.
Someone else will do it for you.

[DIAF]

Sounds like a true Lib to me, thay know what's best for everyone while they look down their nose at you in contempt because you disagree with them:rolleyes: The entitlement cult of O, theogt is there with quite a few others. You no lnoger have to work for a living.
Someone else will do it for you.

You've also just described artie, cajun, and most of this board's far-right leaners.

[Jordan55]

You've also just described artie, cajun, and most of this board's far-right leaners.

I don't believe they subscribe to the entitlement cult of O, but to each his own. The contempt is for the direction in which this country is headed.

[MetalHead]

I don't believe they subscribe to the entitlement cult of O, but to each his own. The contempt is for the direction in which this country is headed.

Jordan55,you waste no posts and always bring something to the table.
Spot on.

[Jordan55]

Jordan55,you waste no posts and always bring something to the table.
Spot on.

Thanks Artie, I try to make lite of the situation, but these are troubling times.
I find the left no laughing matter anymore.

[Hostile]

Not much would change for me except that I would be looking at who to vote for to replace him in my state. I don't believe the party makes any difference at all to how things are done. They are all a bunch of overpaid idiots as far as I am concerned. I think they should all be put on Commission.

I would like to say that I do not like my new Governor anywhere near as much as I like the one who is now the Homeland Security Leader.

[Jarv]

Not much would change for me except that I would be looking at who to vote for to replace him in my state. I don't believe the party makes any difference at all to how things are done. They are all a bunch of overpaid idiots as far as I am concerned. I think they should all be put on Commission.

I would like to say that I do not like my new Governor anywhere near as much as I like the one who is now the Homeland Security Leader.

Term limits Hos, that is what we need.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

How do you think McCain/Palin would have handled the economic crisis? Do you think he would have stuck to his campaign promise of less government intervention and lower taxes for everybody? Your thoughts.

I would prefer to pretend I am married to Kate Beckinsale.

[Vintage]

I'm still trying to comprehend how theo is an obama-ite.

Perhaps someone can better explain that to me.

Is it because he can make a post or two without bashing Obama at every turn? Also gotta love it... the "conservatives" on this board bashing Obama at every turn... after they just got done complaining how the "liberals" bashed Bush at every turn. How hypocritical.

[iceberg]

I'm still trying to comprehend how theo is an obama-ite.

Perhaps someone can better explain that to me.

Is it because he can make a post or two without bashing Obama at every turn? Also gotta love it... the "conservatives" on this board bashing Obama at every turn... after they just got done complaining how the "liberals" bashed Bush at every turn. How hypocritical.

since it's an ever repeating process, no one is hypocracy free, vintage. many of the bashers now demand understanding - not for them, no - the title and respect of the office.

damn hypocracy.

[Vintage]

since it's an ever repeating process, no one is hypocracy free, vintage. many of the bashers now demand understanding - not for them, no - the title and respect of the office.

damn hypocracy.


Both sides are doing it.

Never claimed otherwise.

But it amusing, nonetheless.


Of course... still need to understand how theo is an obama-ite. Perhaps theo can shed some light on this.

[iceberg]

Both sides are doing it.

Never claimed otherwise.

But it amusing, nonetheless.

Of course... still need to understand how theo is an obama-ite. Perhaps theo can shed some light on this.

theo just likes to argue. don't think he really cares about which side.

[Vintage]

I guess technically Artie can argue he isn't necessarily calling theo an obama-ite.

But he does lump theo in with him, which is suggestive, to say the least.

[iceberg]

I guess technically Artie can argue he isn't necessarily calling theo an obama-ite.

But he does lump theo in with him, which is suggestive, to say the least.

some people think if you defend someone against an action, you're defending the person, not disagreeing with the action.

hard for many to seperate.

no idea on theo though. my apathy kicks in around the time he starts talking.

[theogt]

I'm still trying to comprehend how theo is an obama-ite.

Perhaps someone can better explain that to me.

Is it because he can make a post or two without bashing Obama at every turn? Also gotta love it... the "conservatives" on this board bashing Obama at every turn... after they just got done complaining how the "liberals" bashed Bush at every turn. How hypocritical.Yeah, it's strange to me too. I've voted pretty much straight-ticket Republican most of my life. And I didn't vote for Obama.

I just point out stupid arguments and try to bring facts to the table, regardless of political party. I'm a free market libertarian, but I can point out the stupidity in carte blanch de-regulation just the same. But as long as both conservatives and liberals disagree with me, I think I'm on the right path. :)

[MetalHead]

I guess technically Artie can argue he isn't necessarily calling theo an obama-ite.

But he does lump theo in with him, which is suggestive, to say the least.
There is such thing as offering an opinion,like I do.When I cross the line,I make amends.
Then there is obnoxious behavior.
Theo the chipmunk has mastered the craft of online enemy making by constant put downs.
Will he engage in it in person?
I strongly doubt it.

[Hostile]

Term limits Hos, that is what we need.Some terms ought to be days instead of years.

[TheCount]

Some terms ought to be days instead of years.

Like some third world countries? ;)

That's a good way to have pirates using your country as a base for stealing cargo ships.

[burmafrd]

Notice how you never hear any libs talk about term limits?

[Hostile]

Notice how you never hear any libs talk about term limits?My Uncle talks about them all the time. He is the most Liberal person I know.

[burmafrd]

One out of how many?

[Hostile]

One out of how many?Never is an absolute. When you deal in absolutes you are usually wrong. Self fulfilling in this case.

[VCDefectors]

Thanks again to those who are sticking to the topic. Of course, I'm a little surprised to see the major dropoff in passion for McCain. A few months ago, this place was littered with threads spreading the word about what a great American hero he is. It's too bad McCain isn't seeing that kind of love now, because he is no less deserving than before the 2008 election.

I, for one, look forward to see him continue serving as a senator who still seems passionate about reaching across the aisle and being a great example of compassionate conservatism.

[sbark]

Never is an absolute. When you deal in absolutes you are usually wrong. Self fulfilling in this case.

....Term Limits at this point a long shot....

The 17th amendment is what really let D.C. go on a power trip---Revert it back to its orginal form- ? Easier than Term Limits?

Prior to the Senators being elected by the popular vote.........the original framers of the Constitution put the US Senators in the hands of the State Legislators.

States lost the power to resist Federal intrusions into the 10th Amendment areas, Made Senators tremendously more influenced by Lobbyists. It served the structure of Federalism....ie States Rights of the 10th amendment.

The 3 diff political entities of the Fed Govt....House, Senate & POTUS....were meant to be elected each by diff. means: House by popular vote, Senate by the States Legislatures, and the POTUS by Electoral College system.---and that reinforced the separation of powers.......

We all look at the Red & blue USA Vote Maps......and wonder why and how the Liberals with their concentration for the most part on the east & West coasts have gotten power of all 3 Politcal enties...House Senate POTUS

If the 17th Amend. had not been changed, the Red states making up the bulk of the USA---very likly those State Legislatures would be sending GOP Senators to D.C. to balance out the powers now unchecked. At very minimum the Senate would be near a 50/50 split and a few RHINO GOP's could not have given the Stimulus bill a shove over the top....

A state recall of the Senators would also have been much easier I would presume.

Thomas J. and the boys had it figured out.......shouldnt have messed with a good thing......

[Hostile]

Thanks again to those who are sticking to the topic. Of course, I'm a little surprised to see the major dropoff in passion for McCain. A few months ago, this place was littered with threads spreading the word about what a great American hero he is. It's too bad McCain isn't seeing that kind of love now, because he is no less deserving than before the 2008 election.

I, for one, look forward to see him continue serving as a senator who still seems passionate about reaching across the aisle and being a great example of compassionate conservatism.Yeah because the outpouring of support for John Kerry by the Left was overwhelming after he lost in 2004.

If you didn't have tunnel vision I don't know what I would think of your posts. Right now my only thought is how sad.

[sbark]

Thanks again to those who are sticking to the topic. Of course, I'm a little surprised to see the major dropoff in passion for McCain. A few months ago, this place was littered with threads spreading the word about what a great American hero he is. It's too bad McCain isn't seeing that kind of love now, because he is no less deserving than before the 2008 election.

I, for one, look forward to see him continue serving as a senator who still seems passionate about reaching across the aisle and being a great example of compassionate conservatism.

The "passion" was for Palin/McCain ticket, not McCain. McCain was just the lessor of 2 undesirable choices.

Reaching across the Isle..........why does the right always reach across with an open hand..........and the left reach across with a clenched fist?

[iceberg]

Yeah because the outpouring of support for John Kerry by the Left was overwhelming after he lost in 2004.

If you didn't have tunnel vision I don't know what I would think of your posts. Right now my only thought is how sad.

his ignorance is intentional. he's like a cyber maschoist.

[VCDefectors]

Yeah because the outpouring of support for John Kerry by the Left was overwhelming after he lost in 2004.

If you didn't have tunnel vision I don't know what I would think of your posts. Right now my only thought is how sad.

Well, since the topic of this thread is about John McCain, any discussions about John Kerry is irrelevant.

That also goes for term limits, any gripes by members that have been added to my personal ban list, and any discussions about my so-called tunnel vision.

[TheCount]

The "passion" was for Palin/McCain ticket, not McCain. McCain was just the lessor of 2 undesirable choices.

Reaching across the Isle..........why does the right always reach across with an open hand..........and the left reach across with a clenched fist?

Oh please. Allow me to play the violin for this fairy tale. You are absolutely delusional if you've somehow constructed this fantasy where the right approaches every topic with open arms. There are plenty of clenched fists to go around.

[burmafrd]

And you and the other libs whining about not giving Obama a chance when you NEVER gave Bush one is just as stupid.

[TheCount]

And you and the other libs whining about not giving Obama a chance when you NEVER gave Bush one is just as stupid.

Whining? That's a good one.

The only thing that's stupid is you keep assuming I'm a Bush basher, let me know when you find proof of that. I won't hold my breath.

I know your mind is near incapable of thinking in anything but sweeping generalities, but give it a shot, you might be surprised.

[VCDefectors]

The "passion" was for Palin/McCain ticket, not McCain. McCain was just the lessor of 2 undesirable choices.

Reaching across the Isle..........why does the right always reach across with an open hand..........and the left reach across with a clenched fist?

Hmm...let's see. If anything, Palin ruined any chance for McCain by placating to the extreme right-wing and pushing moderates over to the Obama ticket. She was a polarizing figure and drove a wedge straight down the middle of the GOP. Now, she did succeed in sexing up McCain's campaign (or so I've been told), but that was short-lived, now wasn't it!

The GOP doesn't always reach across the aisle with an open hand. It's more like republicans like McCain having to beg his own party to be reasonable. It's pretty sad, actually.

[JBond]

McCain would have been a failure in the eyes of most Conservatives. There are many reasons. The most liberal Democrat controlled congress in history would be third on my list.

[JBond]

Palin would ask the russians how to spell "economic crisis" before she worried about handling it.

Where did that come from? Maybe you are jealous your local and state government is to stupid to figure out how corporations can help the country. Do you pay income tax to your state? What is your property tax percentage? You do own a house, right?

[JBond]

:lmao2: :lmao:

You didn't see squat coming. Hell, you wouldn't even know what to look for.

Actually, many of us did. Your comprehension ability is to be serously questioned.

[Jordan55]

Oh please. Allow me to play the violin for this fairy tale. You are absolutely delusional if you've somehow constructed this fantasy where the right approaches every topic with open arms. There are plenty of clenched fists to go around.


Hell my clinched fist is around my wallet, since the Dems and their entitlement agenda are going to reaching for it to pay for this socialist society don't fool yourself that they won't, It may start with the Rich, but it won't end there.:bow:

[Hostile]

Well, since the topic of this thread is about John McCain, any discussions about John Kerry is irrelevant.

That also goes for term limits, any gripes by members that have been added to my personal ban list, and any discussions about my so-called tunnel vision.Ah, so what you mean is you can't make a comparison, and therefore my comment about Kerry's lack of support after 2004 being compared to McCain's perceived lack of support after 2008 went right over your head.

Hence my description of you as having tunnel vision in the first place. I can describe that analogy for you if you wish.

You'll have to help me out about why you are introducing term limits and your personal ban list. I have no idea why that is germane to your comment about McCain's sudden lack of support by the Right as a phenomenon, nor my retort about Kerry experiencing the same thing. You see, what I have done in this paragraph is to further illustrate my own comparison to your rather silly comment.

Please don't hesitate to ask for more help.

[Jordan55]

Oh please. Allow me to play the violin for this fairy tale. You are absolutely delusional if you've somehow constructed this fantasy where the right approaches every topic with open arms. There are plenty of clenched fists to go around.


Hell my clinched fist is around my wallet, since the Dems and their entitlement agenda are going to reaching for it to pay for this socialist society don't fool yourself that they won't, It may start with the Rich, but it won't end there.:bow:

I think that maybe California, would be a perfect example.

[Doomsday101]

So, Obama is responsible for a crises and a decline in the market that happened even before he became president?

That's some power.

As Senator he holds some responsibility, Sorry this idea that this was all Bush is a joke. Bush did not control the democrat lead house and senate. He shares in the blame but this idea of well we inherited this crisis? Hell the dems helped create this crisis just as much including Sen Obama

[Doomsday101]

As for McCain I don't know what he would have proposed that can't be answered because he did not win. I do think the process would have been slower which in my opinion would have been better than rushing this legislation though as it was in large part because dems who control both houses would have held it up.

[TheCount]

As Senator he holds some responsibility, Sorry this idea that this was all Bush is a joke. Bush did not control the democrat lead house and senate. He shares in the blame but this idea of well we inherited this crisis? Hell the dems helped create this crisis just as much including Sen Obama

Who said it was all Bush? I don't think Theo made that claim.

Only the zealots on the edge of either side seem intent on passing blame onto the other and washing their hands of it.

[Doomsday101]

Who said it was all Bush? I don't think Theo made that claim.

Only the zealots on the edge of either side seem intent on passing blame onto the other and washing their hands of it.

Obama has ever time he says "I inherited this". Obama has been a member of the Senate he shares in the problem. It is the dems who say it was Bush policy yet those policy only can be made into law with the approval of the dem controlled house and senate. So next time you tune in and listen to the representatives on the weekly talk shows remember this conversation when they say. “Well we inherited this, it was Bush”

[Yeagermeister]

As Senator he holds some responsibility, Sorry this idea that this was all Bush is a joke. Bush did not control the democrat lead house and senate. He shares in the blame but this idea of well we inherited this crisis? Hell the dems helped create this crisis just as much including Sen Obama

Obama wasn't a Senator long enough to take the blame. :laugh2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Obama wasn't a Senator long enough to take the blame. :laugh2:

It's hard to blame somebody for a PRESENT vote.

[Doomsday101]

Obama wasn't a Senator long enough to take the blame. :laugh2:

And what little time he was a senator he seldom voted because it interfered with his run at the Presidency. :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

And what little time he was a senator he seldom voted because it interfered with his run at the Presidency. :laugh2:

I don't know which is worse voting present like Obama or not voting like McCain.

I have always felt that if you wind up getting tapped to be the republican or democratic nominee by your party...and you are a governor, senator or congressman...you should have to relinquish that position once you are nominated. That would include VPs once they are named.

Because normally those candidates rarely vote or do the job they are supposed to be doing as they are too busy running for the presidency.


I know that will not happen but it would be nice.

[JBond]

Hell my clinched fist is around my wallet, since the Dems and their entitlement agenda are going to reaching for it to pay for this socialist society don't fool yourself that they won't, It may start with the Rich, but it won't end there.:bow:

I think that maybe California, would be a perfect example.

I need more hands. How can I cling to my gun and Bible and wallet all at the same time? That Obama guy sure is tricky.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I need more hands. How can I cling to my gun and Bible and wallet all at the same time? That Obama guy sure is tricky.

Not too hard if you can walk and chew gum at the same time.:D

[Jordan55]

I don't know which is worse voting present like Obama or not voting like McCain..


I always was told, that McCain's biggest problem was he voted in favor of Bush's programs 90% of the time,at least according to the Democratic ads, hell if maybe he had voted present he just might have won the election.:D I want a politician who has no voting record, no substance, strong political associations that make you feel good about the man and where he will take us as a nation.

OBAMA

ONE BIG *** MISTAKE AMERICA

[BrAinPaiNt]

I always was told, that McCain's biggest problem was he voted in favor of Bush's programs 90% of the time,at least according to the Democratic ads, hell if maybe he had voted present he just might have won the election.:D I want a politician who has no voting record, no substance, strong political associations that make you feel good about the man and where he will take us as a nation.

OBAMA

ONE BIG *** MISTAKE AMERICA

When McCain did vote he voted like W. The problem was, just like almost all politicians that hold an office, when he was running for President he hardly voted at all and was away from everything...unless it presented a long shot chance to look good.