Bobby Jindal

[ABQCOWBOY]

So far, I have to say that Bobby Jindal does not sound very impressive. He sounds as if he's talking to a 2nd grade elementry class.

[theogt]

I agree, I've never been impressed with him. Don't get the hype.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jindal. I agree, I've never been impressed with him. Don't get the hype.

Thank you Theo. I have corrected the spelling of Jindal.

I don't have a real problem with his views and I've seen him speak well but I'm not impressed this evening. It's funny how President Obama can make people look poor in comparison. President Obama really is an exceptional speaker.

[trickblue]

I agree, I've never been impressed with him. Don't get the hype.

I recently moved from NE Texas and the network stations were all out of Shreveport so I am very familiar with him...

He is an impressive man with a great story...

[sbark]

So far, I have to say that Bobby Jindal does not sound very impressive. He sounds as if he's talking to a 2nd grade elementry class.

....If he does not get Palin'ized: you can then presume the Libs' thought the same thing.....

2nd grade level: well at least then he isnt preaching to the "choir", must be targeting the opposition party:rolleyes:

[ABQCOWBOY]

....If he does not get Palin'ized: you can then presume the Libs' thought the same thing.....

2nd grade level: well at least then he isnt preaching to the "choir", must be targeting the opposition party:rolleyes:


:laugh2:

He needs to work on his delivery. I am a Conservative and I like Jindal's views but it was hard for me to listen to that. Not really great content either. I think the Republicans could have done much better.

[ScipioCowboy]

I agree, I've never been impressed with him. Don't get the hype.

Jindal has the type of educational background and academic accolades--a Rhodes Scholar and Ivy League graduate--that Sarah Palin and John McCain lacked.

Of course, Bush graduated from Yale, and the media certainly didn't spare him.

[ScipioCowboy]

I recently moved from NE Texas and the network stations were all out of Shreveport so I am very familiar with him...

He is an impressive man with a great story...

If Jindal decides to run in 2012, his treatment by the media will be a fascinating development. Palin merely suggested that teachers should be allowed to discuss Intelligent Design if the issue is broached by students, and she was skewered for it. Jindal actually advocates making Intelligent Design part of school curriculum, and he has a degree in Biology.:eek:

[MetalHead]

If Jindal decides to run in 2012, his treatment by the media will be a fascinating development. Palin merely suggested that teachers should be allowed to discuss Intelligent Design if the issue is broached by students, and she was skewered for it. Jindal actually advocates making Intelligent Design part of school curriculum, and he has a degree in Biology.:eek:

Speaking of Intelligent design,has anybody seen that documentary by Ben Stein,"Expelled:No intelligence allowed".

If not,make it a priority to do so.
Compelling.

[irvin88]

Palin will be the nom in 2012.

She will roll over Huckabee, Jindal, Romney, etc.

[ScipioCowboy]

Speaking of Intelligent design,has anybody seen that documentary by Ben Stein,"Expelled:No intelligence allowed".

If not,make it a priority to do so.
Compelling.

I know of Stein's film, and I've been intending to watch it for some time. It seems I need to visit the local video store.

[BrAinPaiNt]

That speech was really bizarre. Well not the speech itself but it's delivery.

I see Jindal in a very different way than I see someone like Palin. From everything I have read about him he is VERY intelligent and does not come across in a manner like I think palin did where you honestly have to question intelligence. (waiting to be flamed over that but that is just how I see it).

But man alive that was an awkward delivery of a speech. I don't know if they had a boom mic that was going too close to him and moving back or what. He had the oddest cadence or emphasis on words that seemed out of place. Not sure how to explain it but I think most understand what I am saying.

Again I think he is a VERY intelligent man but that delivery made me think of Mister Rogers or something.

Very odd. Again the delivery was the thing, not the message or ideas themselves.

[iceberg]

That speech was really bizarre. Well not the speech itself but it's delivery.

I see Jindal in a very different way than I see someone like Palin. From everything I have read about him he is VERY intelligent and does not come across in a manner like I think palin did where you honestly have to question intelligence. (waiting to be flamed over that but that is just how I see it).

But man alive that was an awkward delivery of a speech. I don't know if they had a boom mic that was going too close to him and moving back or what. He had the oddest cadence or emphasis on words that seemed out of place. Not sure how to explain it but I think most understand what I am saying.

Again I think he is a VERY intelligent man but that delivery made me think of Mister Rogers or something.

Very odd. Again the delivery was the thing, not the message or ideas themselves.

well that was many of the nations 1st impression of jindal and most will simply walk away thinking he's a moron. he kept going on like he was talking down to me. i've heard the hype and i tried to listen but after a few minutes, i just had to change the channel. obama may be spouting lies but he does it very well and with a mature confidence.

he may has well have been trying to read a child a bedtime story as speak to the nation. i'll be glad to listen again but that was just bad.

[Doomsday101]

So far, I have to say that Bobby Jindal does not sound very impressive. He sounds as if he's talking to a 2nd grade elementry class.

I think he has good ideals but he does sound like Mr. Rogers. :laugh2:

[Yoshimitsu]

He made me cringe. I felt like i was in the 1st grade again sitting in class while the teacher reads us a Dr. Seuss book. His message was alright but the delivery was comical.

[iceberg]

He made me cringe. I felt like i was in the 1st grade again sitting in class while the teacher reads us a Dr. Seuss book. His message was alright but the delivery was comical.

the message sounded like it was scrubbed by the PC police and void of any singular thought or emotion. i hated the message and the delivery.

i know obama is black. i don't need another minority coming at me to say how wonderful it is that a black man did "this".

a man did it. just a man. i'm proud we're to the point where such a man can be president but i'll be happy when we simply get past race as the lead in to these discussions.

we'll never get past these walls if we keep buidling them to say how great we're past them.

[JBond]

obama may be spouting lies but he does it very well and with a mature confidence.


He's had a lot of practice.

[Jon88]

He thinks Americans can do anything!

[iceberg]

He's had a lot of practice.

unless you're deep into one side or the other, (ie, an extreme viewpoint) you don't know or care about that. you just hear someone sounding confident and like they know what they're doing.

obama does that very well. usually. the flip side is he can sound just as lost - something he has to work on.

[WoodysGirl]

unless you're deep into one side or the other, (ie, an extreme viewpoint) you don't know or care about that. you just hear someone sounding confident and like they know what they're doing.

obama does that very well. usually. the flip side is he can sound just as lost - something he has to work on.I know what you mean. Just from a personal standpoint.

Sometimes your mind can be too overloaded info and when trying to deliver the right thought, you come across as unsure.

Like I can debate football on the Zone all day because I can take my time before typing my thoughts. But when I'm in casual convo, I don't come across as well. Tho I still get my points across.

[iceberg]

I know what you mean. Just from a personal standpoint.

Sometimes your mind can be too overloaded info and when trying to deliver the right thought, you come across as unsure.

Like I can debate football on the Zone all day because I can take my time before typing my thoughts. But when I'm in casual convo, I don't come across as well. Tho I still get my points across.

last night obama sounded great. confident, together, and even "human" at times with some slang that while not very presidential, what i'd rather hear than the usual sani-fluff.

his press conf the other day he sounded horrible. didn't know what to say, seemed to 2nd guess it as he was saying it, and stuttered a lot. i'd not seen that part of obama very often so it was just ... odd ... when it happened.

as for your not coming across very well, i ain't seen it yet. : ) don't always agree with what you're saying, but the composure is always there.

[Danny White]

It would be extremely difficult for Jindal to run in 2012.

Because Louisiana holds off-year elections, he'll be running for Governor again in 2011, which would make a Presidential campaign extremely difficult to pull off. Basically, as soon as that election takes place, he'd have to jump immediately into the heat of the Presidential primary season. It would look bad and be tough to pull off to boot.

He's young enough where he can afford to take his time and hone his game.

I agree that his remarks last night were delivered very oddly. He needs some polish, but he has time.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think it was on morning Joe this morning when they had the group around talking about the Jindal speech after the obama speech.

They were reading quotes from articles and other other shows and some of them were kind of funny or sad.

I think one thing they read was that Bobby had a rough outing but it would be like the dave clark five being asked to follow the beatles. And that is something to consider in a round about way.

Joe said either he heard a fellow republican or he read it somewhere that right after Jindals speech some republicans were saying...MayDay Mayday.

Who knows. I think he is smart and has some good ideas but maybe he just does not have the right charisma to pull it off (presidential aspirations). Charisma really can make or break a candidate.

[iceberg]

It would be extremely difficult for Jindal to run in 2012.

Because Louisiana holds off-year elections, he'll be running for Governor again in 2011, which would make a Presidential campaign extremely difficult to pull off. Basically, as soon as that election takes place, he'd have to jump immediately into the heat of the Presidential primary season. It would look bad and be tough to pull off to boot.

He's young enough where he can afford to take his time and hone his game.

I agree that his remarks last night were delivered very oddly. He needs some polish, but he has time.

maybe it's me - but it's really coming across like the republican party is anxious to get their "minority" out there. jindal may be all that. i'm not saying he isn't. i'm saying he was a poor choice to come out and speak after obama. he had to rehearse that - didn't anyone tell him to quit sounding like an aesope fable? condecending?

he did himself more harm than good last night. but people do have short term memories so like you say, he's got time. but if he's really the rising star, they need to get him better tutors on how to speak in public and if he's not ready, wait.

[WoodysGirl]

last night obama sounded great. confident, together, and even "human" at times with some slang that while not very presidential, what i'd rather hear than the usual sani-fluff.

his press conf the other day he sounded horrible. didn't know what to say, seemed to 2nd guess it as he was saying it, and stuttered a lot. i'd not seen that part of obama very often so it was just ... odd ... when it happened.I'll take your word for it. I didn't watch either the press conference nor the presidential addres.

However, I do think Obama has shown that he can come across as a doofus at times.

as for your not coming across very well, i ain't seen it yet. : ) don't always agree with what you're saying, but the composure is always there.Hey! You're not supposed to disagree with me. I'm a mod, remember!
Don't make me flex my internet power... :p:

Nah, sometimes I can lose my composure in person, cuz some of the people I deal with are dumb. I hate dumb people.

[iceberg]

I think it was on morning Joe this morning when they had the group around talking about the Jindal speech after the obama speech.

They were reading quotes from articles and other other shows and some of them were kind of funny or sad.

I think one thing they read was that Bobby had a rough outing but it would be like the dave clark five being asked to follow the beatles. And that is something to consider in a round about way.

Joe said either he heard a fellow republican or he read it somewhere that right after Jindals speech some republicans were saying...MayDay Mayday.

Who knows. I think he is smart and has some good ideas but maybe he just does not have the right charisma to pull it off (presidential aspirations). Charisma really can make or break a candidate.

i wasn't out for jindal to sound good - but he didn't have to sound this bad either. with or without obama that was horrible.

[iceberg]

Hey! You're not supposed to disagree with me. I'm a mod, remember!
Don't make me flex my internet power... :p:

Nah, sometimes I can lose my composure in person, cuz some of the people I deal with are dumb. I hate dumb people.

flex me baby. just don't let BB see it. he's sensitive.

i can lose it in person also but i lose it the most behind the wheel of a car. i hate stupidity with the white hot passion of a thousand dying suns and seeing the stupid, inconsiderate things people do while driving, i get torqued pretty bad.

[BrAinPaiNt]

i wasn't out for jindal to sound good - but he didn't have to sound this bad either. with or without obama that was horrible.

Well I think the republicans kind of tabbed him to go out and do a great job to rebut Obama and the idea that he is standing up as one of the Govs that is not taking the money.

I think it was a calculated play that did not pay off last night. In the future it might, last night it did not.

[iceberg]

Well I think the republicans kind of tabbed him to go out and do a great job to rebut Obama and the idea that he is standing up as one of the Govs that is not taking the money.

I think it was a calculated play that did not pay off last night. In the future it might, last night it did not.

good point on why they chose him - but i agree it was a misfire.

[trickblue]

He settled down and was fine in the last half of his speech...

I agree the beginning was odd. Having seen him speak many times, I was confused at his delivery as he is usually pretty polished and well spoken...

[DFWJC]

Speaking of Intelligent design,has anybody seen that documentary by Ben Stein,"Expelled:No intelligence allowed".

If not,make it a priority to do so.
Compelling.

I haven't seen it, but I almost always enjoy listening to what Ben Stein has to say.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Found this on Fark.com and got a laugh.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii275/chemicalrummy/Wontyoubemyneighbor.jpg

[Doomsday101]

Found this on Fark.com and got a laugh.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii275/chemicalrummy/Wontyoubemyneighbor.jpg


You want to be my neighbor. :laugh2:

I have listened to him on the radio interviews and he sounded great but last night I was surprised by his delivery. The substance I agreed with

[ZeroClub]

I just saw it. Bobby laid an egg. He had dukakis all over his shirt.....

It's good news - bad news for Bobby.

The bad news is that his trip to Washington, D.C. is now on hold.

The good news is that he's going to Disneyland!

Apparently he has a fantasy seat on the imaginary levitation train from Las Vegas to Anaheim.

[WarC]

So far, I have to say that Bobby Jindal does not sound very impressive. He sounds as if he's talking to a 2nd grade elementry class.

Ayuh he wasn't impressive at all. And thats exactly the impression I got from him...It sounded like he was using Happy Speak with a classroom full of 2nd graders. I thought "He'd make a good replacement hosting Mr. Rodgers' Neighborhood!"

[BrAinPaiNt]

I just saw it. Bobby laid an egg. He had dukakis all over his shirt.....

It's good news - bad news for Bobby.

The bad news is that his trip to Washington, D.C. is now on hold.

The good news is that he's going to Disneyland!

Apparently he has a fantasy seat on the imaginary levitation train from Las Vegas to Anaheim.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[ZeroClub]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Michael_Dukakis_in_tank.jpg

:)

[ologan]

Here we are,only one month into the term of the great orator,and Jindal is already on the outs? I think they trotted him out there to ride on the coattails of the "Slumdog Millionaire" popularity...Just saying!

He does have a little bit of time to polish his delivery before the primaries of 2012 begin. Speaking of deliveries...No doubt BO has a great style and flair,but we had a saying for that in Texas..."All hat,and no cattle!"(Or Neaux cattle in Jindal's case).

[trickblue]

Just saw where Jindal is coming up on Hannity this hour...

Ima tune in and see if he dropped the weird delivery for the first half of his speech last night...

[trickblue]

Apparently the lovely Helen THomas has issues with Indian/Americans...

Bobby Jindal was 'pitiful,' Helen Thomas tells film crew, right before making a 'Slumdog Millionaire' crack

She'll get a pass... "Oh that's just Helen"... ;)

[WoodysGirl]

Jindal's response: Panned, seared

Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.) hoped to step into the national spotlight Tuesday night to sound a hopeful yet defiant note in countering President Barack Obama as the GOP’s fresh and exciting face.

Instead, he got panned.

“I think he had a really poor performance tonight, I’m sorry to say,” National Public Radio’s Juan Williams said on a Fox News panel immediately following Jindal’s remarks. Williams went on to call the governor’s remarks “sing-songy” and said Jindal looked “childish” compared to Obama.

“This was not the best from the young man from Louisiana,” he said.

Fortune Magazine’s Nina Easton added flatly, “The delivery was not exactly perfect.”

"The delivery and microphone distracted from him, as did the hurried pace," noted Erick Erickson on the conservative Red State blog. "Reading the speech, it was great. Delivery? Not so much."

While Jindal may have missed a prime opportunity to establish himself as a leading Republican presidential contender in 2012, he didn't exactly lay an egg. And it's widely understood among political professionals that the rebuttal to the president is a difficult endeavor, one that almost never matches the speech that precedes it.

Democratic governors who have delivered similar presidential responses in recent years also took their share of post-speech criticism—and it doesn't seem to have altered the arc of their careers.

Former Gov. Gary Locke (D-Wash.) is expected to be announced as Obama's Commerce Secretary Wednesday. Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is thought to be the frontrunner to become the Obama administration’s Health and Human Services Secretary. Gov. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) was tapped this year to become the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Both Sebelius and Kaine drew wide mention as possible running mates for Obama.

Still, the Louisiana governor was expected to deliver a higher caliber performace given his sterling political resume and his appearances on Sunday talk shows, and he did little that showed off the talents that have excited so many Republicans.

“Obama gave a polished performance, as usual. Jindal’s act needs a lot of work,” said John J. Pitney Jr., a political science professor at California’s Claremont McKenna College. “His basic message was sound but his language was hackneyed and his performance was wooden. Fortunately he has a lot of time to improve his delivery. In the year 2040 he will still be younger than McCain was in 2008.”

Thomas Schaller, a political scientist at University of Maryland, Baltimore County, said, “Someday, when scholars are trying to fingerpoint the nadir of the post-Bush Republican Party, they may arrive at Jindal's speech tonight,” he said. “Though it was a tough moment for any Republican to give the opposition response, his speech came across as unserious in content and condescending in its tone.”

In his remarks, Jindal was critical of his own party and vowed that Republicans will regain the trust of voters.

“Tonight, on behalf of our leaders in Congress and my fellow Republican governors, I say: Our party is determined to regain your trust,” Jindal pledged. “We will do so by standing up for the principles that we share -- the principles you elected us to fight for -- the principles that built this into the greatest, most prosperous country on earth.”

Jindal criticized the president and Democrats in Congress repeatedly in his response, though he chose to kick off his message by drawing parallels between himself and Obama, thus relaying his own compelling personal narrative.

“Like the President’s father, my parents came to this country from a distant land,” the Louisiana governor said. “As I grew up, my mom and dad taught me the values that attracted them to this country - and they instilled in me an immigrant’s wonder at the greatness of America.”

The governor countered Obama on some of the president’s top priorities as outlined in his joint address to Congress, including education and healthcare.

Jindal is one of four Republican governors who have said they will reject some of the federal stimulus funds. Others have expressed displeasure with the bill but will accept all the money.

The Louisiana governor made the GOP’s opposition to the stimulus package clear, calling it “wasteful,” but he did not spotlight the different positions among Republican governors.

“Instead of trusting us to make wise decisions with our own money, they passed the largest government spending bill in history - with a price tag of more than $1 trillion with interest. While some of the projects in the bill make sense, their legislation is larded with wasteful spending,” Jindal said.

“Who among us would ask our children for a loan, so we could spend money we do not have, on things we do not need? That is precisely what the Democrats in Congress just did. It’s irresponsible.”

Despite the criticisms, Jindal promised that Republicans “want to work with President Obama.”

“Where we agree, Republicans must be the President’s strongest partners,” he said. “And where we disagree, Republicans have a responsibility to be candid and offer better ideas for a path forward.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090225/pl_politico/19283

[MetalHead]

Over rehearsed...he'll get better.

[WoodysGirl]

Republicans, Democrats criticize Jindal's speech

Beth Fouhy, Associated Press Writer – 58 mins ago

NEW YORK – Insane. Childish. Disaster. And those were some of the kinder comments from political pundits about Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and his response to President Barack Obama's speech to Congress on Tuesday night. Jindal, 37, a Rhodes scholar and son of Indian immigrants, is considered a rising star in Republican ranks and a likely 2012 presidential candidate.

GOP leaders, looking for a fresh face for the party's image, tapped Jindal earlier this month for the high-profile task of rebutting Obama's first address to a joint session of Congress.

But in both style and substance, Jindal's speech has drawn flak from Republicans and Democrats alike.

His criticism of government spending for emergency economic relief has been widely panned, especially given his state's receipt of billions in federal assistance after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. And Jindal's voice and earnest, awkward delivery have drawn comparisons to Kenneth Parcell, the geeky page on the NBC comedy "30 Rock."

Indeed, a new Facebook group titled "Bobby Jindal is Kenneth the Page" had already attracted more than 1,800 members Wednesday afternoon.

Republicans had high hopes for Jindal after his appearance Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," where he delivered a forceful, concise critique of Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan and explained his decision to reject some of the money allotted for his state. He also impressed observers when he spoke to reporters after a meeting with Obama and other governors at the White House Monday.

Jindal spoke from the governor's mansion in Baton Rouge, and critics pounced on his remarks almost immediately, panning everything from his overly folksy demeanor to his complaint that Obama's plan to revive the economy was "irresponsible."

David Brooks, a conservative New York Times columnist who has criticized aspects of the stimulus plan, nonetheless called Jindal's arguments "insane" and tone-deaf given the dire economic challenges the country faces.

"To come up in this moment in history with a stale, 'Government is the problem, you can't trust the federal government' is just a disaster for the Republican Party," Brooks said on PBS' "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." "It's not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is."

Fox News commentator Juan Williams focused on Jindal's delivery.

"It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was singsongy," Williams said, adding that the content of the speech was "very simplistic and almost childish."

Penni Pier, a political communication specialist at Iowa's Wartburg College, said Jindal's presentation was overly colloquial and his message of less government and more tax cuts was substantively thin.

"It sounded like the same old rhetoric — we had tax cuts the last eight years, and look where it got us," Pier said. "Jindal was also trying to be so familiar, he lost credibility. Obama is familiar, but at the same time always a statesman."

To be sure, Jindal had a tough act to follow in Obama, a naturally gifted orator whose argument for vast federal intervention to stem the nation's economic crisis was widely praised. A CNN poll taken after his speech found 92 percent of viewers had a positive reaction to it.

Rush Limbaugh, arguably the nation's most prominent conservative voice, defended Jindal on his radio show Wednesday while acknowledging that "stylistically," Obama had outshined Jindal.

"The people on our side are making a real mistake if they go after Bobby Jindal," Limbaugh said. "We cannot shun politicians who speak for our beliefs just because we don't like the way he says it."

Jindal was headed to Disney World Wednesday with his family for a vacation. But his chief of staff, Timmy Teepell, said his boss had prepared carefully for the speech and that his message was strong.

"It's a challenge for anybody to follow Obama. The guy is one of the most gifted speakers of our generation," Teepell said. "Bobby's his own harshest critic. He's always looking for ways to improve."

___

Associated Press Writer Melinda Deslatte in Baton Rouge, La. contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090226/ap_on_re_us/panning_jindal

[theogt]

Wowzah. Just watched some clips...that was unbelievably bad.

[WoodysGirl]

Wowzah. Just watched some clips...that was unbelievably bad.
I haven't seen the vids, but I've heard talk from various people. Says alot when he's been universally panned.

Maybe it was stage fright and he gets it together the next time he's on the big stage.

[theogt]

I haven't seen the vids, but I've heard talk from various people. Says alot when he's been universally panned.

Maybe it was stage fright and he gets it together the next time he's on the big stage.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vCVicXyltk

[MrMom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vCVicXyltk

Ouch.

Makes you feel embarrassed for him.

[MetalHead]

Give him time...he appeared in Hannity's radio show and in Good Morning America sounding and looking human.
Last night was bad, but the message is not lost.
It's not like he is sounding smooth and stylish while sayin' nothing.
Get it?

[theogt]

Ouch.

Makes you feel embarrassed for him.It's the definition of "douc** chills." Figure out the last two letters and google it. You'll know what I'm talking about.

[MetalHead]

It's the definition of "douc** chills." Figure out the last two letters and google it. You'll know what I'm talking about.

Do you get that?
Then better upgrade your feminine products.

[theogt]

Do you get that?
Then better upgrade your feminine products.You fail at google.

[jrumann59]

Thank you Theo. I have corrected the spelling of Jindal.

I don't have a real problem with his views and I've seen him speak well but I'm not impressed this evening. It's funny how President Obama can make people look poor in comparison. President Obama really is an exceptional speaker.

Only if he is reading, his off the cuff speaking leaves a lot to be desired, I would rather hear GWB butcher the english language then obama's "uhs".

[Beast_from_East]

That was unbelievably bad, seriously. Compared to Obama, that was amateur hour at the comedy club.


Jindal is not ready to take on Obama yet.

[ZeroClub]

Jindal's response: Panned, seared

Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.) hoped to step into the national spotlight Tuesday night to sound a hopeful yet defiant note in countering President Barack Obama as the GOP’s fresh and exciting face.

(...)

While Jindal may have missed a prime opportunity to establish himself as a leading Republican presidential contender in 2012, he didn't exactly lay an egg.

(...).

No. That's exactly what he did. He layed an egg.

An up and coming Bill Clinton gave a horrible speech at a Democratic Convention once, and rebounded. Jindal can rebound from this egg. But it was an egg.

[ConcordCowboy]

Jindal draws flak from GOP, Dems over speech


Earnest, awkward delivery earns comparisons to '30 Rock'


NEW YORK - Insane. Childish. Disaster. And those were some of the kinder comments from political pundits about Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and his response to President Barack Obama's speech to Congress on Tuesday night.

Jindal, 37, a Rhodes scholar and son of Indian immigrants, is considered a rising star in Republican ranks and a likely 2012 presidential candidate.

GOP leaders, looking for a fresh face for the party's image, tapped Jindal earlier this month for the high-profile task of rebutting Obama's first address to a joint session of Congress.

But in both style and substance, Jindal's speech has drawn flak from Republicans and Democrats alike.

His criticism of government spending for emergency economic relief has been widely panned, especially given his state's receipt of billions in federal assistance after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. And Jindal's voice and earnest, awkward delivery have drawn comparisons to Kenneth Parcell, the geeky page on the NBC comedy "30 Rock."

Indeed, a new Facebook group titled "Bobby Jindal is Kenneth the Page" had already attracted more than 1,800 members Wednesday afternoon.

Republicans had high hopes for Jindal after his appearance Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," where he delivered a forceful, concise critique of Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan and explained his decision to reject some of the money allotted for his state. He also impressed observers when he spoke to reporters after a meeting with Obama and other governors at the White House Monday.

Jindal spoke from the governor's mansion in Baton Rouge, and critics pounced on his remarks almost immediately, panning everything from his overly folksy demeanor to his complaint that Obama's plan to revive the economy was "irresponsible."

'Stale'
David Brooks, a conservative New York Times columnist who has criticized aspects of the stimulus plan, nonetheless called Jindal's arguments "insane" and tone-deaf given the dire economic challenges the country faces.

"To come up in this moment in history with a stale, 'Government is the problem, you can't trust the federal government' is just a disaster for the Republican Party," Brooks said on PBS' "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." "It's not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is."

Fox News commentator Juan Williams focused on Jindal's delivery.

"It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was singsongy," Williams said, adding that the content of the speech was "very simplistic and almost childish."

Penni Pier, a political communication specialist at Iowa's Wartburg College, said Jindal's presentation was overly colloquial and his message of less government and more tax cuts was substantively thin.

"It sounded like the same old rhetoric — we had tax cuts the last eight years, and look where it got us," Pier said. "Jindal was also trying to be so familiar, he lost credibility. Obama is familiar, but at the same time always a statesman."

To be sure, Jindal had a tough act to follow in Obama, a naturally gifted orator whose argument for vast federal intervention to stem the nation's economic crisis was widely praised. A CNN poll taken after his speech found 92 percent of viewers had a positive reaction to it.

Rush Limbaugh, arguably the nation's most prominent conservative voice, defended Jindal on his radio show Wednesday while acknowledging that "stylistically," Obama had outshined Jindal.

"The people on our side are making a real mistake if they go after Bobby Jindal," Limbaugh said. "We cannot shun politicians who speak for our beliefs just because we don't like the way he says it."

Jindal was headed to Disney World Wednesday with his family for a vacation. But his chief of staff, Timmy Teepell, said his boss had prepared carefully for the speech and that his message was strong.

"It's a challenge for anybody to follow Obama. The guy is one of the most gifted speakers of our generation," Teepell said. "Bobby's his own harshest critic. He's always looking for ways to improve."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29402296

[ZeroClub]

Jindal was headed to Disney World Wednesday with his family for a vacation. But his chief of staff, Timmy Teepell, said his boss had prepared carefully for the speech and that his message was strong.

That's pretty funny.

I made up that "He's going to Disneyland" part earlier in this thread ... (just playing on Jindal's quote about levitating trains to Disneyland), but what do you know ... Bobby IS Mickey-bound.

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's pretty funny.

I made up that "He's going to Disneyland" part earlier in this thread ... (just playing on Jindal's quote about levitating trains to Disneyland), but what do you know ... Bobby IS Mickey-bound.

He is heading to Disneyland to monitor Volcanoes.

Or...

Reporter: So you just had a disastrous speech where you were pretty much universally panned, what are you going to do next Governor Jindal.

Governor Jindal: I'm going to Disneyland.

[ZeroClub]

It must be at least a little tough to be him right now.

Here's wishing him and his family have a nice trip to the magic kingdom.

[BrAinPaiNt]

It must be at least a little tough to be him right now.

Here's wishing him and his family have a nice trip to the magic kingdom.

I am sure it might be tough on him. But he is a smart individual and I am sure he will over come this. Waaaaay too early before the next election or primaries for this to be that bad for him IMO.

He will have trouble in other areas and this will be long forgotten IMO.

He made a bad choice or showing but there is not doubt IMO that he is a very intelligent individual so I don't think this will stick like some of the things that stuck with Palin.

[sbark]

I am sure it might be tough on him. But he is a smart individual and I am sure he will over come this. Waaaaay too early before the next election or primaries for this to be that bad for him IMO.

He will have trouble in other areas and this will be long forgotten IMO.

He made a bad choice or showing but there is not doubt IMO that he is a very intelligent individual so I don't think this will stick like some of the things that stuck with Palin.

.....depends on how SNL jumps on him.......

for most under 40 already.....SNL is likely a main source of "news"......at least the "news" thier attention span retains.......

[BrAinPaiNt]

.....depends on how SNL jumps on him.......

for most under 40 already.....SNL is likely a main source of "news"......at least the "news" thier attention span retains.......

Oddly enough was that at one point Tina Fey did an exact word for word quote of Palin and people thought that she was making it up.

About the only thing some people thought was true from watching SNL was that palin said she could see russia from her house when she actually said you could see it from alaska.

Nobody hurt Palin but Palin. If she did not come off sounding like a dunce in a couple of those interviews it would be a different concerning how she was perceived.

Just like Dukakis in the APC/Tank came off bad for him.

Just like Howard Dean and the infamous YEAAAAAHAHAHAA!!

[xWraithx]

I was really bothered by Jindal's EXTREMELY thick Indian accent.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I was really bothered by Jindal's EXTREMELY thick Indian accent.

http://lfm.mit.edu/blog/drewhill/files/fail-boat.jpg

[trickblue]

I tuned over and listened to him on Hannity yesterday and he sounded like his normal self...

He said that he was, in fact, nervous and that it's very difficult following an eloquent speaker such as Obama...

[sbark]

Oddly enough was that at one point Tina Fey did an exact word for word quote of Palin and people thought that she was making it up.

About the only thing some people thought was true from watching SNL was that palin said she could see russia from her house when she actually said you could see it from alaska.

Nobody hurt Palin but Palin. If she did not come off sounding like a dunce in a couple of those interviews it would be a different concerning how she was perceived.

Just like Dukakis in the APC/Tank came off bad for him.

Just like Howard Dean and the infamous YEAAAAAHAHAHAA!!



.....where was SNL on Bama's 57 states or Bidens stand up chuck or FDR got on the TV........

....any of which were far more serious gaffes ..........

SNL made up alot of opinions on Palin by skit after skit.....

why not a skit of Obama away from a teleprompter.... a 27 minute speech with a full 9 minutes of uhhh, uhhh. uhhh......

would make Palin's oratory skill look Reagan'esque

[The30YardSlant]

Bobby Jindal is scaring the pants off the American left. They just can't understand how a man can be so incredibly popular despite...

Being against gay marriage

Being 100% pro-life

Being against higher taxes and redistribution of wealth

Being against gun control

Wanting to place a clamp on illegal immigration once and for all

But the one that REALLY gets the libs going is that he graduated with an honors degree in biology from Oxford and yet still believes in ID and believes it should be taught as an alternative theory in the classroom along with evolution. They just can't fathom how a man so brilliant and educated in the field of biology could possibly not buy into macroevolution.

[ConcordCowboy]

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v649/112/125/698406745/n698406745_1932221_4053427.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

.....where was SNL on Bama's 57 states or Bidens stand up chuck or FDR got on the TV........

....any of which were far more serious gaffes ..........

SNL made up alot of opinions on Palin by skit after skit.....

why not a skit of Obama away from a teleprompter.... a 27 minute speech with a full 9 minutes of uhhh, uhhh. uhhh......

would make Palin's oratory skill look Reagan'esque

SNL has made fun of Murtha, Biden, Pelosi, Reid and yes...even obama.

Sounds like you might want to go get that sprained taint looked at. :laugh1:

[BigWillie]

.....where was SNL on Bama's 57 states or Bidens stand up chuck or FDR got on the TV........

....any of which were far more serious gaffes ..........

SNL made up alot of opinions on Palin by skit after skit.....

why not a skit of Obama away from a teleprompter.... a 27 minute speech with a full 9 minutes of uhhh, uhhh. uhhh......

would make Palin's oratory skill look Reagan'esque

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."

and of course ..

"Facts are stupid things"

I bet he still never got his magazine from the drug store either.

:D

[The30YardSlant]

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v649/112/125/698406745/n698406745_1932221_4053427.jpg

That doesnt make sense. Sorry.

[iceberg]

I tuned over and listened to him on Hannity yesterday and he sounded like his normal self...

He said that he was, in fact, nervous and that it's very difficult following an eloquent speaker such as Obama...

then sit down and make room for someone who can.

[trickblue]

then sit down and make room for someone who can.

Give him a chance ice... you are judging a bit too quickly here...

[iceberg]

Give him a chance ice... you are judging a bit too quickly here...

you know me to knee jerk?

trick, he was flat out that bad. i'll listen again but he or the "party" put an albotros around his neck.

he was every cliche i hate in less than 30 seconds of time. what he said, how he said it, and the whitewashed PC crap we're spoonfed by what we fight against - he did.

i'm not saying the dems have got their together, i'm saying the repubs are following success badly. he came across as the repubs trying to say "my minority is better than your minority".

i'm tired of gov by fads.

[MetalHead]

That was unbelievably bad, seriously. Compared to Obama, that was amateur hour at the comedy club.


Jindal is not ready to take on Obama yet.

Funny you said that...Guess what they're calling the White House new tennants?

[trickblue]

you know me to knee jerk?

trick, he was flat out that bad. i'll listen again but he or the "party" put an albotros around his neck.

he was every cliche i hate in less than 30 seconds of time. what he said, how he said it, and the whitewashed PC crap we're spoonfed by what we fight against - he did.

i'm not saying the dems have got their together, i'm saying the repubs are following success badly. he came across as the repubs trying to say "my minority is better than your minority".

i'm tired of gov by fads.

You has said you went away to watch Jurassic Park... did you not ever see the second half?

And ice... when did delivery over substance ever sway you... don't fall into the actor's guild we have now at the top level...

[iceberg]

You has said you went away to watch Jurassic Park... did you not ever see the second half?

And ice... when did delivery over substance ever sway you... don't fall into the actor's guild we have now at the top level...

that's one valid way to say it.

i could also say his "charisma" chased me away to jurissac park.

i hated his substance too.

"we're great, we elected a black man!"

move on, people, move on.

i'd be glad to fight for substance. he just didn't have any. if he lost my attention, is that my fault or his?

[trickblue]

that's one valid way to say it.

i could also say his "charisma" chased me away to jurissac park.

i hated his substance too.

"we're great, we elected a black man!"

move on, people, move on.

i'd be glad to fight for substance. he just didn't have any. if he lost my attention, is that my fault or his?

Did we see the same speech?

[iceberg]

Did we see the same speech?

i saw the first few minutes.

it sucked.

i'm not a cheerleader, tb. i'm "on" the conservative side. but when you throw **** on the wall i won't go 'wow' cause it's our ****.

i'll listen again but he flat out fell on his face. to get up, he has to put cliches down. we'll see.

[trickblue]

i saw the first few minutes.

it sucked.

i'm not a cheerleader, tb. i'm "on" the conservative side. but when you throw **** on the wall i won't go 'wow' cause it's our ****.

i'll listen again but he flat out fell on his face. to get up, he has to put cliches down. we'll see.

Dude... I've been here a LONG time... when have I ever been a cheerleader? When have I never espoused conservative viewpoint?

Again... you saw the first few minutes... I will end it there... it's like reviewing a movie while walking out in the first scene...

[iceberg]

Dude... I've been here a LONG time... when have I ever been a cheerleader? When have I never espoused conservative viewpoint?

Again... you saw the first few minutes... I will end it there... it's like reviewing a movie while walking out in the first scene...

and because of that is why i'll listen again.

you only got a few minutes to work within. i never made that rule. he failed. period.

i'm not saying he can't get back up - im saying whatever led him to think what he did that night was good needs to go away and never be on "our" side again.

you can't start off bad and make up for it later.

[trickblue]

and because of that is why i'll listen again.

you only got a few minutes to work within. i never made that rule. he failed. period.

i'm not saying he can't get back up - im saying whatever led him to think what he did that night was good needs to go away and never be on "our" side again.

you can't start off bad and make up for it later.

I have listened to him for years as i was forced too... Last night was not him...

He failed in the first half... it wasn't his delivery... I don't know where it went wrong...

Anyway... I'm tired of arguing with someone that didn't watch the whole speech... believe as you wish...

[iceberg]

I have listened to him for years as i was forced too... Last night was not him...

He failed in the first half... it wasn't his delivery... I don't know where it went wrong...

Anyway... I'm tired of arguing with someone that didn't watch the whole speech... believe as you wish...

no, i didn't watch it all. forgive me if my first impressions are weak.

he gave it to me.

i'll listen again. i'll try to put that night aside. but if it were him, the repubs, some corner drug store selling corner drugs...

jindal sucked the other night. don't get mat at me cause i noticed.

[trickblue]

no, i didn't watch it all. forgive me if my first impressions are weak.

he gave it to me.

i'll listen again. i'll try to put that night aside. but if it were him, the repubs, some corner drug store selling corner drugs...

jindal sucked the other night. don't get mat at me cause i noticed.

Watch the second half before you pass judgment... he admitted it was intimidating...

You, more than anyone in this forum, should know that rushes to judgment are BS...

[iceberg]

Watch the second half before you pass judgment... he admitted it was intimidating...

You, more than anyone in this forum, should know that rushes to judgment are BS...

you, more than anyone else, should know i don't.

i've said i'll listen again.

but i won't exuse how bad he, and the repubs looked, right after obama left the stage.

so if you know i don't rush off to judgement, and if i say he was that bad...

was he that bad or am i rushing off to judgement?

[trickblue]

you, more than anyone else, should know i don't.

i've said i'll listen again.

but i won't exuse how bad he, and the repubs looked, right after obama left the stage.

so if you know i don't rush off to judgement, and if i say he was that bad...

was he that bad or am i rushing off to judgement?

He settled down half way through... but you won't see that in the MSM... you know that too...

I just don't expect knee-jerk reactions from you...

[iceberg]

He settled down half way through... but you won't see that in the MSM... you know that too...

great. so in the long run, he'll be fine, right?

the other night he sucked. hating it won't change it.

[trickblue]

great. so in the long run, he'll be fine, right?

the other night he sucked. hating it won't change it.

You can take it as you wish...

What I did remember was you saying you went to watch Star Wars instead... then commented blindly after 5 minutes...

[iceberg]

You can take it as you wish...

What I did remember was you saying you went to watch Star Wars instead... then commented blindly after 5 minutes...

yep.

i did that.

he sounded like a condecending idiot that made me long for gore.

again, is that my fault for hearing him, or his fault for sounding that way?

i don't deny he had a hell of a recovery.

stop denying he sucked to start.

[trickblue]

yep.

i did that.

he sounded like a condecending idiot that made me long for gore.

again, is that my fault for hearing him, or his fault for sounding that way?

i don't deny he had a hell of a recovery.

stop denying he sucked to start.

When did I ever do that? In fact you will see I was critical of his start in every eval of his speech...

I have always maintained he sucked to start then recovered in the second half...

Are you reading my posts or jumping to conclusions?

[ScipioCowboy]

Goodness sakes, people.

I haven't seen Jindal's speech. Yet, after perusing this thread, I feel like I've suffered through it ten times already.

This may be the over-analyzed speech in the long history of oration.

[iceberg]

When did I ever do that? In fact you will see I was critical of his start in every eval of his speech...

I have always maintained he sucked to start then recovered in the second half...

Are you reading my posts or jumping to conclusions?

maybe i am jumping to conclusions. it happens.

but you seem to want to get mad at *me* cause *he* lost my attention.

[trickblue]

maybe i am jumping to conclusions. it happens.

but you seem to want to get mad at *me* cause *he* lost my attention.

Not at all... my only issue with you is that you have proclaimed his speech was a failure, yet you only watched five minutes of it...

[JBond]

then sit down and make room for someone who can.

What happened to the calm cool deliberative ice? You are rushing a little bit.

[Beast_from_East]

Funny you said that...Guess what they're calling the White House new tennants?

Who???


Who has called Obama "amateur hour"???


Maybe Rush or Hannity, but nobody mainstream.

[the fake norm hitzges]

His is not the wretched record of Obama's pre-election accomplishment (singular) (community organizing for 3 months) (an accomplishment even?). It is refreshing how dramatically and astonishingly he is the polar opposite.

I heard tell Jindle was accepted to both Harvard Medical School and Yale Law. Obama couldn't have managed either. He needed the liberal bent of Harvard University and money from obscure sources (terrorist sympathesizers) (guilty feeling elite seeking to assuage their guilt complexes after swindling the middle class of their hard earned money) (the crooked financiers).

Michelle Malkin's favorite quote from Jindal is “People want to make everything about race. The only colors that matter here are red, white and blue”.

It's not entirely clear as to his natural born status. His mother was pregnant but they were naturalized the same year they immigrated to Louisiana. Some immigrants obtain their Green Card early and work for extended periods of time in the U.S. before moving their families to permanent residence. His father was possibly a US born with dual citizenship, thereby hastening their conversion.

At the very least, Jindal was born in Louisiana and would show his birth certificate and documents immediately if he ran for president. He sure as heck wouldn't hire a lawyer who worked with the FBI identified Muslim Brotherhood to block access to the document, subject his supporters to using an internet hoax to substantiate his birth and put the military in an imbroglio.

His policies are spectacular, he is a Catholic and impresses as highly intelligent. He's only 36 years old, a decade younger than Obama. During his tenure as secretary of health, Louisiana's Medicaid program went from bankruptcy with a $400 million deficit into three years of surpluses totaling $220 million. His mentor was Republican Governor Mike Foster.

[ZeroClub]

He sure did lay an egg the other night.

[silverbear]

His is not the wretched record of Obama's pre-election accomplishment (singular) (community organizing for 3 months) (an accomplishment even?). It is refreshing how dramatically and astonishingly he is the polar opposite.

I heard tell Jindle was accepted to both Harvard Medical School and Yale Law. Obama couldn't have managed either. He needed the liberal bent of Harvard University and money from obscure sources (terrorist sympathesizers) (guilty feeling elite seeking to assuage their guilt complexes after swindling the middle class of their hard earned money) (the crooked financiers).

Michelle Malkin's favorite quote from Jindal is “People want to make everything about race. The only colors that matter here are red, white and blue”.

It's not entirely clear as to his natural born status. His mother was pregnant but they were naturalized the same year they immigrated to Louisiana. Some immigrants obtain their Green Card early and work for extended periods of time in the U.S. before moving their families to permanent residence. His father was possibly a US born with dual citizenship, thereby hastening their conversion.

At the very least, Jindal was born in Louisiana and would show his birth certificate and documents immediately if he ran for president. He sure as heck wouldn't hire a lawyer who worked with the FBI identified Muslim Brotherhood to block access to the document, subject his supporters to using an internet hoax to substantiate his birth and put the military in an imbroglio.

His policies are spectacular, he is a Catholic and impresses as highly intelligent. He's only 36 years old, a decade younger than Obama. During his tenure as secretary of health, Louisiana's Medicaid program went from bankruptcy with a $400 million deficit into three years of surpluses totaling $220 million. His mentor was Republican Governor Mike Foster.


Terrific... the problem is, people vote for a guy based on how well he can communicate, and Jindal really stunk at that the other night...

It might have just been an off night for him, but the bottom line is he hurt his future presidential ambitions with that performance...

Which does not mean he can't recover from it, but you never get a second chance to make a first impression...

[silverbear]

Give him time...he appeared in Hannity's radio show and in Good Morning America sounding and looking human.

LOL... there's a ringing endorsement for a man who would be President of these United States-- "he sounds and looks human"...

Last night was bad, but the message is not lost.

Yeah, actually, it was... that happens when folks go to fact checking you, and your claims don't ring true... his delivery had nothing to do with that...

[iceberg]

Not at all... my only issue with you is that you have proclaimed his speech was a failure, yet you only watched five minutes of it...

and all i'm trying to say is - the part that i saw was an epic fail.

i never said he could never recover. i never said he is always gonna give speeches like that one. i said he blew chunk monkies on that one and turned many peopl away from him.

i'll listen again. i'll keep an open mind. but even if he becomes the best speaker in the world after this, that speech sucked. at least what i saw of it. i didn't watch all of obama either, it was just background noise for the night.

[BrAinPaiNt]

and all i'm trying to say is - the part that i saw was an epic fail.

i never said he could never recover. i never said he is always gonna give speeches like that one. i said he blew chunk monkies on that one and turned many peopl away from him.

i'll listen again. i'll keep an open mind. but even if he becomes the best speaker in the world after this, that speech sucked. at least what i saw of it. i didn't watch all of obama either, it was just background noise for the night.

Whether you watched it all or not...the speech was still terrible.

I know trick says it got better at the end, but the truth is he got away from the sing song cadence somewhat but even then it was very lackluster and he stretched the truth in portions of it (he is a politician after all).

This does not take away that he is a very intelligent man, it does not take away that he has done some good things for his state...however his speech still was not good no matter how people try to quantify it.

[ConcordCowboy]

This was Jindal's chance to shine in the spotlight just like Obama did at the 2004 Democratic convention...although obviously to a lesser degree.

He blew it...and this is coming from Republican's as well as Democrats.

You can watch that speech again until the cows come home and it will still blow.