I hate to admit it...

[SLATEmosphere]

but I guess i could live with us picking Chung..Delmas and Smith will be off the board early(Pat's 34 overall from Chiefs) and he's a prototypical SS, which is what we need. I've heard alot of people comparing him to Laron Landry..let's hope so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_37qMvwSMwo

[DaBoys4Life]

but I guess i could live with us picking Chung..Delmas and Smith will be off the board early(Pat's 34 overall from Chiefs) and he's a prototypical SS, which is what we need. I've heard alot of people comparing him to Laron Landry..let's hope so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_37qMvwSMwo


Chung > Delmas and Smith.

[Bob Sacamano]

I think we might have to trade up for Chung

[SLATEmosphere]

Chung > Delmas and Smith.

Please stop. Your losing credibility.

[DaBoys4Life]

I think we might have to trade up for Chung

So it seems maybe we can make a trade be4 draft day and get another 2nd round pick like we did last year. It doesn't seem like any of the players I want us to draft will be there where we're at now.

[DaBoys4Life]

Please stop. Your losing credibility.

Chung is the #1 ranked SS
Delmars is the #1 ranked FS
Smith isn't top 5 CB

Smith is ranked 52
Chung is ranked 49
Delmars is ranked 47

Yeah my credibility is shot...check nfldraftscout that's where I got these rankings from. Smith isn't generating as much buzz amongst scouts as he is here....

[SLATEmosphere]

So it seems maybe we can make a trade be4 draft day and get another 2nd round pick like we did last year. It doesn't seem like any of the players I want us to draft will be there where we're at now.

When did that happen last year? I don't remember picking up another 2nd rounder.

[SLATEmosphere]

Chung is the #1 ranked SS
Delmars is the #1 ranked FS
Smith isn't top 5 CB

Smith is ranked 52
Chung is ranked 49
Delmars is ranked 47

Yeah my credibility is shot...check nfldraftscout that's where I got these rankings from. Smith isn't generating as much buzz amongst scouts as he is here....

Your logic is flawed. I use actual game film when I make comparisons to players.I don't use a website that tells me who I should think is better because their TWO spots ahead of them.

You=epic fail.

[RS12]

games are won and lost in the trenches. They prolly take best available DLineman before any safety or LB. I also think they would take a future LT (Beatty if he slides) over safety and LB. You can always find a servicable safety or ILB in the 3rd or 4th round.

[Bob Sacamano]

Your logic is flawed. I use actual game film when I make comparisons to players.I don't use a website that tells me who I should think is better because their TWO spots ahead of them.

You=epic fail.

ah, a forum classic

I just was wondering if NFL scouts and teams pay for your evaluations and player comparisons?

[DaBoys4Life]

When did that happen last year? I don't remember picking up another 2nd rounder.

Adoyel and Fasano was traded for a 2nd rounder and then we drafted Bennett...

Your logic is flawed. I use actual game film when I make comparisons to players.I don't use a website that tells me who I should think is better because their TWO spots ahead of them.

You=epic fail.

Really game film? Where you get the game film on Louis Delmars from? I would love to hear this....also You posted a youtube video as to why you wouldn't mind us drafting Chung....knock it off man.

[Vintage]

Your logic is flawed. I use actual game film when I make comparisons to players.I don't use a website that tells me who I should think is better because their TWO spots ahead of them.

You=epic fail.


OH. So you watch game film.... and them form your OPINION. Not fact. OPINION, on who is going to become the better NFL safety.

So... how is it epic fail, when trying to PROJECT two players who are similarly ranked by many people?

You are right. There is an epic fail in this thread.

[SLATEmosphere]

Adoyel and Fasano was traded for a 2nd rounder and then we drafted Bennett...



Really game film? Where you get the game film on Louis Delmars from? I would love to hear this....also You posted a youtube video as to why you wouldn't mind us drafting Chung....knock it off man.

Akin and Fasano were for a 4th rounder....fail

My brother-in law is a scout for the Stanford Cardinal and has access to all tapes of games. I've seen ALL of the games of Oregon and not quit impressed with Chung like some of you are. I don't know how to convert those tapes into a file to share so I'm contrained into sharing a youtube video. I didn't want to pull out the "game film" card, but it's hilarious when people bash players ie:Ron Brace,Delmas,Smith, when they havn't even seen them play!

Have you seen just one game with Delmas or Smith playing? Your content on bashing a player because a website said it? Make your own opinion. If you havn't seen a player actually play then you reserve no right to make an opinion about him.

[DaBoys4Life]

Akin and Fasano were for a 4th rounder....fail

My brother-in law is a scout for the Stanford Cardinal and has access to all tapes of games. I've seen ALL of the games of Oregon and not quit impressed with Chung like some of you are. I don't know how to convert those tapes into a file to share so I'm contrained into sharing a youtube video. I didn't want to pull out the "game film" card, but it's hilarious when people bash players ie:Ron Brace,Delmas,Smith, when they havn't even seen them play!

Have you seen just one game with Delmas or Smith playing? Your content on bashing a player because a website said it? Make your own opinion. If you havn't seen a player actually play then you reserve no right to make an opinion about him.

I've seen smith play and I've seen chung play I haven't seen Delmas play. What website is bashing these guys? I have yet to see one...I'm pretty sure this is my own opinion the fact that I don't view Smith as the holy grail like you do...but whatever.....

[dmoore]

Adoyel and Fasano was traded for a 2nd rounder and then we drafted Bennett...



Really game film? Where you get the game film on Louis Delmars from? I would love to hear this....also You posted a youtube video as to why you wouldn't mind us drafting Chung....knock it off man.

Okay, it's really starting to bother me now. It's D-E-L-M-A-S.

I've actually seen more of Delmas than I have of Chung, and I'll tell you right now he can play either safety spots and is a tremendous player. I went to WMU, saw a couple of his games live, and a handful on TV. Plus I lived 2 doors down from him for a year. He can play and is completely legit. I'd take him over Chung. Jenkins is probably the only guy at safety I'd take in front of him.

[Rampage]

ah, a forum classic

I just was wondering if NFL scouts and teams pay for your evaluations and player comparisons?
even the guys who get paid to do it make mistakes all the time. Ryan Leaf, Bobby Carpenter

[dmoore]

Western's also played a couple of nationally televised games over the past couple years, so the film is out there. I wouldn't waste my time trying to find it. He's going to be gone before we pick.

[SLATEmosphere]

I've seen smith play and I've seen chung play I haven't seen Delmas play. What website is bashing these guys? I have yet to see one...I'm pretty sure this is my own opinion the fact that I don't view Smith as the holy grail like you do...but whatever.....

You stated..Chung> Delmas and Smith and yet you havn't seen Delmas play therefore is unfair to make an opinion of him. You would be basing your opinion off what other people are writing about him correct? That's all that I'm simply saying. If you said Chung>Smith then I would respect that.

[DFWJC]

but I guess i could live with us picking Chung..Delmas and Smith will be off the board early(Pat's 34 overall from Chiefs) and he's a prototypical SS, which is what we need. I've heard alot of people comparing him to Laron Landry..let's hope so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_37qMvwSMwo

Chung works for me if we can get him.

[SLATEmosphere]

Okay, it's really starting to bother me now. It's D-E-L-M-A-S.

I've actually seen more of Delmas than I have of Chung, and I'll tell you right now he can play either safety spots and is a tremendous player. I went to WMU, saw a couple of his games live, and a handful on TV. Plus I lived 2 doors down from him for a year. He can play and is completely legit. I'd take him over Chung. Jenkins is probably the only guy at safety I'd take in front of him.

Agreed. Delmas is my pet cat along with Smith. He hits as hard as Chung and is 2x better than him in coverage. It's all a moot point because he's getting swooped up either at 26 by the Pats or the 34th by the Pats.:(

[DaBoys4Life]

Okay, it's really starting to bother me now. It's D-E-L-M-A-S.

I've actually seen more of Delmas than I have of Chung, and I'll tell you right now he can play either safety spots and is a tremendous player. I went to WMU, saw a couple of his games live, and a handful on TV. Plus I lived 2 doors down from him for a year. He can play and is completely legit. I'd take him over Chung. Jenkins is probably the only guy at safety I'd take in front of him.

I'm not doubting the kid can play at all I thing he's good but I favor Chung and I also think Chung could play both safeties spots.

@slate you keep bringing up game film but claim you saw all of Chung what about Delmas?

[SLATEmosphere]

I'm not doubting the kid can play at all I thing he's good but I favor Chung and I also think Chung could play both safeties spots.

@slate you keep bringing up game film but claim you saw all of Chung what about Delmas?

I saw him play 2 games. His play recognition is far better than Chungs. Smart player.

[DaBoys4Life]

I saw him play 2 games. His play recognition is far better than Chungs. Smart player.

:rolleyes:

[Chris in Arizona]

I've watched alot of games with these 3 and I'd rank them...

1. Louis Delmas
2. Sean Smith
3. Patrick Chung

I would be tempted to take Smith over Delmas. He is just scratching the surface. I've watched Chung get lost in coverage too many times. Having watched the Cowboys safeties do the exact same thing ever since D Woodson retired, I'm not sure I'm anxious to see Chung repeat the trend.

[SLATEmosphere]

I've watched alot of games with these 3 and I'd rank them...

1. Louis Delmas
2. Sean Smith
3. Patrick Chung

I would be tempted to take Smith over Delmas. He is just scratching the surface. I've watched Chung get lost in coverage too many times. Having watched the Cowboys safeties do the exact same thing ever since D Woodson retired, I'm not sure I'm anxious to see Chung repeat the trend.

I've actually been shying away from Smith because he's stated several times that he's better suited at corner in alot of interviews..

Finally some realistic views about Chung! You should know being a USC fan. I agree 100 percent about Chung being lost in coverage alot. I wish you guys should see Delmas play! He's such a baller.

[RamziD]

Going by the subjective rankings of a particular scouting site is not always the best way to make a projection. If someone is ranked 49, they can really end up going anywhere from about 15 picks before or after that. It's not an exact science. Besides, I don't see us trading up in a round to target one specific player at one specific position when there are 4 or 5 positions where we need to draft good players. That's too narrow a focus and it would be foolish to do that (thus, giving up more draft picks) unless our scouts really, really think said player would make a major impact. Chances of having that much confidence in a player who is a mid 2nd-round projection are not very high.

[BAT]

One thing that worries me about Delmas is the way he tackles. He goes for the kill shot all the time, and always low.


He either makes the big pop, eats dirt, gets kneed in the face or bounces off.


There is no in between b/c he doesn't have great form when he tackles. Like his ballhawking skills and intensity though. And before you ask, I have only seen him on his youtube highlights.

[Bob Sacamano]

Going by the subjective rankings of a particular scouting site is not always the best way to make a projection. If someone is ranked 49, they can really end up going anywhere from about 15 picks before or after that. It's not an exact science. Besides, I don't see us trading up in a round to target one specific player at one specific position when there are 4 or 5 positions where we need to draft good players. That's too narrow a focus and it would be foolish to do that (thus, giving up more draft picks) unless our scouts really, really think said player would make a major impact. Chances of having that much confidence in a player who is a mid 2nd-round projection are not very high.

that's true

but if you can't watch more than 2 games of every player, it's your best alternative

[CowboyFan74]

http://prudz.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/failure.jpg



You=epic fail.

http://cyborgface.com/wp-content/uploads/fail.jpg


epic fail

You are right. There is an epic fail in this thread.

http://imagechan.com/images/Shipment.jpeg

Akin and Fasano were for a 4th rounder....fail



http://www.lolpats.com/images/epic_fail.jpg




Epic Fail would make a really cool s/n.

[DaBoys4Life]

that's true

but if you can't watch more than 2 games of every player, it's your best alternative

We all don't have someone at stanford that can get us all of OU game film......:rolleyes:

[Shinywalrus]

Your logic is flawed. I use actual game film when I make comparisons to players.I don't use a website that tells me who I should think is better because their TWO spots ahead of them.

You=epic fail.

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

You use actual game film to evaluate DBs? You mean the "game film" presented on television that, on over 80% of plays, completely fails to give you an accurate picture of the relevant skill set for defensive backs because of the focus on the line of scrimmage? The game film that never gives you a sense of a DB's vision, backpedal, fluidity, range, instincts, quickness, etc?

The ONLY, and I repeat ONLY, things you will get on a DB from watching televised games are their VERY general level of proficiency, their hands and their tackling ability.

If you think you can differentiate between a Smith and a Chung and a Delmas so much that you would insult someone and insinuate that they're "losing their credibility" because of "game film" on CBS on Saturday, you've got to remember that you need to ration the crackrock during times of economic crisis. The price will only go up.

[Bob Sacamano]

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

You use actual game film to evaluate DBs? You mean the "game film" presented on television that, on over 80% of plays, completely fails to give you an accurate picture of the relevant skill set for defensive backs because of the focus on the line of scrimmage? The game film that never gives you a sense of a DB's vision, backpedal, fluidity, range, instincts, quickness, etc?

The ONLY, and I repeat ONLY, things you will get on a DB from watching televised games are their VERY general level of proficiency, their hands and their tackling ability.

If you think you can differentiate between a Smith and a Chung and a Delmas so much that you would insult someone and insinuate that they're "losing their credibility" because of "game film" on CBS on Saturday, you've got to remember that you need to ration the crackrock during times of economic crisis. The price will only go up.

he's saying that he has the actual game footage that he can breakdown the player on film

but why should we take his opinion as fact, over say somebody's opinion who actual NFL scouts and teams pay for?

I could see if Slate worked for a team, or was some kind of scout, but he's just a regular guy offering his opinion

[DaBoys4Life]

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

You use actual game film to evaluate DBs? You mean the "game film" presented on television that, on over 80% of plays, completely fails to give you an accurate picture of the relevant skill set for defensive backs because of the focus on the line of scrimmage? The game film that never gives you a sense of a DB's vision, backpedal, fluidity, range, instincts, quickness, etc?

The ONLY, and I repeat ONLY, things you will get on a DB from watching televised games are their VERY general level of proficiency, their hands and their tackling ability.

If you think you can differentiate between a Smith and a Chung and a Delmas so much that you would insult someone and insinuate that they're "losing their credibility" because of "game film" on CBS on Saturday, you've got to remember that you need to ration the crackrock during times of economic crisis. The price will only go up.

:lmao2: :lmao:

I almost started laughing in the middle of class.

[CowboyFan74]

If you think you can differentiate between a Smith and a Chung and a Delmas so much that you would insult someone and insinuate that they're "losing their credibility" because of "game film" on CBS on Saturday, you've got to remember that you need to ration the crackrock during times of economic crisis. The price will only go up.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/05/business/media/Health600.jpg

Rack him!!!