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JBond
03-04-2009, 01:14 PM
Does anyone else remember a sitting President organizing an personal attack campaign against a citizen? I'm sure in private many presidents were not happy about what was said about them, but I do not recall this type of organized attack. I certainly don't remember an administration bragging about attacks on citizens that disagree with them.

Obama needs to grow up. The whining cry baby act may have played well in Chicago but he is now President of the United States and he needs to start acting like it.

ENEMIES LIST: WHITE HOUSE PLOTS LIMBAUGH COVERAGE



Top Democrats believe they have struck political gold by depicting Rush Limbaugh as the new face of the Republican Party, a full-scale effort first hatched by some of the most familiar names in politics and now being guided in part from inside the White House.

The strategy took shape after Democratic strategists Stanley Greenberg and James Carville included Limbaugh’s name in an October poll and learned their longtime tormentor was deeply unpopular with many Americans, especially younger voters. Then the conservative talk-radio host emerged as an unapologetic critic of Barack Obama shortly before his inauguration, when even many Republicans were showering him with praise.

Soon it clicked: Democrats realized they could roll out a new GOP bogeyman for the post-Bush era by turning to an old one in Limbaugh, a polarizing figure since he rose to prominence in the 1990s.

Limbaugh is embracing the line of attack, suggesting a certain symbiosis between him and his political adversaries.

"The administration is enabling me,” he wrote in an e-mail to POLITICO. “They are expanding my profile, expanding my audience and expanding my influence. An ever larger number of people are now being exposed to the antidote to Obamaism: conservatism, as articulated by me. An ever larger number of people are now exposed to substantive warnings, analysis and criticism of Obama's policies and intentions, a ‘story’ I own because the [mainstream media] is largely the Obama Press Office.”

The bigger, the better, agreed Carville. “It’s great for us, great for him, great for the press,” he said of Limbaugh. “The only people he’s not good for are the actual Republicans in Congress.”

If Limbaugh himself were to coin a phrase for it, he might call it Operation Rushbo – an idea that started out simply enough but quickly proved to be deeply resonant by a rapid succession of events, say Democrats inside and outside the West Wing.

The seeds were planted in October after Democracy Corps, the Democratic polling company run by Carville and Greenberg, included Limbaugh’s name in a survey and found that many Americans just don’t like him.

“His positives for voters under 40 was 11 percent,” Carville recalled with a degree of amazement, alluding to a question about whether voters had a positive or negative view of the talk show host.

Paul Begala, a close friend of Carville, Greenberg and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, said they found Limbaugh’s overall ratings were even lower than the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s controversial former pastor, and William Ayers, the domestic terrorist and Chicago resident who Republicans sought to tie to Obama during the campaign.

Then came what Begala called “the tripwire.”

“I hope he fails,” Limbaugh said of Obama on his show four days before the president was sworn in. It was a time when Obama’s approval ratings were soaring, but more than that, polls showed even people who didn’t vote for him badly wanted him to succeed, coming to office at a time of economic meltdown.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee was the first to jump on the statement, sending the video to its membership to raise cash and stir a petition drive.

We helped get the ball rolling on this because we’re looking and listening to different Republican voices around the country, and the one that was the loudest and getting the most attention was Rush Limbaugh,” explained DCCC chairman and Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.).

The Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank run by former Clinton Chief of Staff John Podesta, also pounced on Limbaugh's "fail" line, drawing attention to it on their well-read blog.

Soon after, Americans United for Change, a liberal group, was airing Limbaugh’s statement in an ad aimed at pushing Senate Republicans to support the stimulus bill.

“It just cropped up out of how much play that comment was getting on the air,” said Brad Woodhouse, who runs the group and is about to take over as communications director at the Democratic National Committee. “When we did it and it generated so much press, it just started to snowball from there.”

But liberals quickly realized that trying to drive a wedge between congressional Republicans and Limbaugh was unlikely to work, and their better move was to paint the GOP as beholden to the talk show host.

This was driven home to them, according to one Democrat, when Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.) took a shot at Limbaugh in late January only to appear on his program the next day and plead having momentarily had “foot-in-mouth disease.”

By February, Carville and Begala were pounding on Limbaugh frequently in their appearances on CNN.

Neither Democrat would say so, but a third source said the two also began pushing the idea of targeting Limbaugh in their daily phone conversations with Emanuel.

Conversations and email exchanges began taking place in and out of the White House not only between the old pals from the Clinton era but also including White House senior adviser David Axelrod, Deputy Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs and Woodhouse.

The White House needed no more convincing after Limbaugh’s hour-plus performance Saturday, celebrated on the right and mocked on the left, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, where he re-stated his hope Obama fails.

“He kicked this into full-gear at CPAC by reiterating it,” said a senior White House official of Limbaugh.

By Sunday morning, Emanuel elevated the strategy by bringing up the conservative talker, unprompted, on CBS’s “Face the Nation” and calling him the “the voice and the intellectual force and energy behind the Republican Party.”

Even Republican National Chairman Michael Steele joined in with a surprising critique of Limbaugh as a mere “entertainer,” who is “ugly” and “incendiary.”


“He took a little match we had tossed on the leaves and poured gasoline on it,” said one Democrat of Steele.

Steele was forced into calling Limbaugh to apologize Monday, an embarrassing climb-down following the RNC chairman’s criticism of the conservative talk-show host.

But Democrats kept at it in rapid-fire succession, thrilled that Steele had validated their claim that Republicans were scared to cross Limbaugh.

Americans United for Change launched a new ad featuring Limbaugh’s CPAC appearance. A left-leaning media watchdog group began a new Limbaugh tracking homepage. Democratic National Chairman Tim Kaine tweaked Steele for his apology. Terry McAuliffe tried to inject Limbaugh into the Virginia governor’s race. The DCCC launched a new website, www.imsorryrush.com (http://www.imsorryrush.com), mocking the Republicans who have had to apologize to Limbaugh.

And Gibbs served up a made-for-cable-TV quote to end his daily briefing Tuesday.

“I was a little surprised at the speed in which Mr. Steele, the head of the RNC, apologized to the head of the Republican Party,” Gibbs quipped with a grin, before striding out of the press room.

David Plouffe, Obama’s campaign manager last year and a member of his inner circle still, will publish an op-ed in Wednesday’s Washington Post chiding Republicans for being “paralyzed with fear of crossing their leader.”

A senior White House aide has been tasked with helping to guide the Limbaugh strategy.

Outside, Americans United for Choice, a liberal group, and the Democratic National Committee are driving the message, in close consultation with the White House.

Democrats can barely suppress their smiles these days, overjoyed at the instant-ad imagery of Limbaugh clad in Johnny Cash-black at CPAC and, more broadly, at what they see as their success in managing to further marginalize a party already on the outs.

“I want to send Rush a bottle of vitamins,” said Begala. “We need him to stay healthy and loud and proud.”

With President George W. Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney out of the White House and Tom DeLay gone from Congress, the left had been suddenly absent an unpopular right-wing figure.

Few Americans know who the congressional Republican leaders are. Even Sarah Palin is now four time zones away from Washington.

Enter Limbaugh.

It’s something of a back to the future tactic for Democrats: painting the GOP as the party of the angry white male. But unlike Newt Gingrich or other prominent Republicans, Limbaugh doesn’t have to mind his tongue.

And the liberal political apparatus is at battle stations taking note of his every comment.

Media Matters, the left-leaning media watchdog and advocacy group, began a “Limbaugh Wire” web-site Tuesday to track him. “For a long time Americans haven’t really been aware that he’s so influential,” said Eric Burns, the group’s president.

Democrats are now working hard to ensure that changes.

“He’s driving the Republican reluctance to deal with Obama, which Americans want,” said Greenberg. “He’s the policeman [keeping them in line].”

They’ll all get a fresh hook for the story after Wednesday, when a Democratic polling firm goes into the field to test, among other things, Limbaugh’s standing with the public.

All the attention only offers upside for the buzz-hungry Limbaugh, said Carville.

“The television cameras just can’t stay away from him,” Carville said Tuesday, a day when cable news played images of Limbaugh seemingly on a loop. “Our strategy depends on him keeping talking, and I think we’re going to succeed.”

ZeroClub
03-04-2009, 03:14 PM
That's a nice article. Thanks for posting it.

The Republicans had Rove, who was exceptionally effective in his role.

Looks like the Democrats are threatening to become effective in the inside politics game.

As for the Republican's Limbaugh liability ... live by the sword, die by the sword.

ScipioCowboy
03-04-2009, 03:30 PM
President Obama should tread very carefully here. This type of strategy can easily backfire. In politics, a person can only be vilified for so long before he or she becomes a martyr or people start listening to him or her. When they do, they normally realize that the person is not the evil he or she is made out to be.

ABQCOWBOY
03-04-2009, 03:37 PM
I honestly hope the Democratic Party keeps thinking the Conservatives are going home and praying to our little "Rush" statues. Seriously guys.

:laugh2:

Cajuncowboy
03-04-2009, 03:39 PM
I hope and pray this neanderthal that sits in the white house keeps this up.

Dallas
03-04-2009, 03:43 PM
I honestly hope the Democratic Party keeps thinking the Conservatives are going home and praying to our little "Rush" statues. Seriously guys.

:laugh2:


I have never once listend to an entire broadcast of Rush. I get the guy. I like him. He can be a little wacky in some of the things he says, like all of us. God forbid the guy be a normal human in that regard.

I don't look to him to see where I should vote on things dear to my heart though. How asinine of the Dem party to even suggest that he leads the Republican party.

It never ceases to amaze me some of the rediculous thats come from the left since they won the election.

The DEMS are OBSESSED w/ Rush.


What's funny is they fail to see how much power all of this is actually giving Rush. Why not just ignore the man? You certainly don't want to shine a national spotlight on your enemy, giving him more clout and voice.

BOGGLE

iceberg
03-04-2009, 03:47 PM
That's a nice article. Thanks for posting it.

The Republicans had Rove, who was exceptionally effective in his role.

Looks like the Democrats are threatening to become effective in the inside politics game.

As for the Republican's Limbaugh liability ... live by the sword, die by the sword.

look - just because a bunch of friggin ant farmers in the white house say rush is the face of the republicans DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!

spit the hook out, zero.

no one official in the republican party made rush their face did they?
NO. the dems did.
now the dems attack.
now you swallow the bait and go BAD REPUBS!

for something they never did, but the dems made up.

crap like this amazes me.

Dallas
03-04-2009, 03:50 PM
look - just because a bunch of friggin ant farmers in the white house say rush is the face of the republicans DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!

spit the hook out, zero.

no one official in the republican party made rush their face did they?
NO. the dems did.
now the dems attack.
now you swallow the bait and go BAD REPUBS!

for something they never did, but the dems made up.

crap like this amazes me.

Umm Ice... I kinda enjoy Zero being my "FISH ON" buddy.


"LEAN w/ it Zero....LEANNNNN w/ it!!!"

http://www.absoluteparadisevillas.com/images/deep-sea-fishing2.jpg

ScipioCowboy
03-04-2009, 03:50 PM
look - just because a bunch of friggin ant farmers in the white house say rush is the face of the republicans DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!

spit the hook out, zero.

no one official in the republican party made rush their face did they?
NO. the dems did.
now the dems attack.
now you swallow the bait and go BAD REPUBS!

for something they never did, but the dems made up.

crap like this amazes me.

In my opinion, it's more a matter of wanting to believe it than actually believing it.

iceberg
03-04-2009, 03:54 PM
In my opinion, it's more a matter of wanting to believe it than actually believing it.

many times it is. if you want it to be true, make it up and say so. while i see "both sides" do this, it seems the liberal side is more willing to throw out a lie and then force feed it to reality.

the libs are painting rush as the voice of the conservatives like there was some inner election and he was voted the president of the republican party. just because the repubs allow him to exersize his freedom of speech doesn't mean they endorse everything he says.

i wish people would pull their head out of their arses and quit buying crap on a wicker stick cause they WANT it to be true.

iceberg
03-04-2009, 03:56 PM
Umm Ice... I kinda enjoy Zero being my "FISH ON" buddy.


"LEAN w/ it Zero....LEANNNNN w/ it!!!"

http://www.absoluteparadisevillas.com/images/deep-sea-fishing2.jpg

well while i don't follow all posters around for their tendencies, zero usually struck me as a good guy who just thought differently. like we all do.

but when something so stupid gets an endorsement, i just have to wonder.

ZeroClub
03-04-2009, 03:57 PM
I have never once listend to an entire broadcast of Rush. I get the guy. I like him. He can be a little wacky in some of the things he says, like all of us. God forbid the guy be a normal human in that regard.

I don't look to him to see where I should vote on things dear to my heart though. How asinine of the Dem party to even suggest that he leads the Republican party.

It never ceases to amaze me some of the rediculous thats come from the left since they won the election.

The DEMS are OBSESSED w/ Rush.


What's funny is they fail to see how much power all of this is actually giving Rush. Why not just ignore the man? You certainly don't want to shine a national spotlight on your enemy, giving him more clout and voice.

BOGGLE

It's inside politics.

The reason Carville et al are shining the spotlight on Limbaugh is because Limbaugh has high negatives and his association with the Republican party hurts that party.

At least that's how the article explains it.

Dallas
03-04-2009, 04:00 PM
It's inside politics.

The reason Carville et al are shining the spotlight on Limbaugh is because Limbaugh has high negatives and his association with the Republican party hurts that party.

At least that's how the article explains it.


It hurts the party because you want to believe it hurts the party. There is no facts at ALL supporting your assumption or this articles hopes.

Jarv
03-04-2009, 04:06 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2009/02/26/227-rush-limbaugh-tops-talk-radio-rankings-again/

Number 1 in America.

iceberg
03-04-2009, 04:06 PM
It's inside politics.

The reason Carville et al are shining the spotlight on Limbaugh is because Limbaugh has high negatives and his association with the Republican party hurts that party.

At least that's how the article explains it.

spins it.

like i said, if you don't like someone, the lies are much easier to believe.

ZeroClub
03-04-2009, 04:12 PM
look - just because a bunch of friggin ant farmers in the white house say rush is the face of the republicans DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!

spit the hook out, zero.

no one official in the republican party made rush their face did they?
NO. the dems did.
now the dems attack.
now you swallow the bait and go BAD REPUBS!

for something they never did, but the dems made up.

crap like this amazes me.

It sounds like you assume that I believe that Limbaugh is really the leader of the Republican party. I don't believe that for a minute.

Carville et al apparently think they can use Limbaugh against the Republicans, and so that's what they are doing. It is inside politics.

Frankly, I'm glad that today's Democrats have the capacity (and stomach) to play the inside politics game. It shows some backbone.

(... Kerry's crew wasn't any good at it, which is one big reason why W. won his second 4 years)

iceberg
03-04-2009, 04:30 PM
live by the sword, die by the sword - in reference to the repubs.

how are they living by him?

ZeroClub
03-04-2009, 04:34 PM
It hurts the party because you want to believe it hurts the party. There is no facts at ALL supporting your assumption or this articles hopes.

It isn't about hope. It is about strategy. Carville et al came to this strategy based on Limbaugh's poll numbers. They see Limbaugh as a potential third rail for Republicans.

If Limbaugh is well liked by the Republican base but has high negatives with moderates (and liberals, of course), it only makes sense that Limbaugh could be used as a third rail.

So, the strategy is to push Limbaugh to the forefront and force congressional Republicans to take a firm stand on him (one way or the other). Theoretically, those elected Republicans are put into the uncomfortable position of choosing between alienating the base or alienating moderates. (Obviously, the Republicans would prefer not to alienate either).

Time will tell if this strategy is effective.

So far, we know that Steele stumbled on it.

So early returns are promising. :)

ZeroClub
03-04-2009, 04:42 PM
live by the sword, die by the sword - in reference to the repubs.

how are they living by him?

Limbaugh has been a valuable asset to Republicans for years now.

If moderates now find Limbaugh aversive to highly aversive, Limbaugh now may be a liability.

That's all.

ThaBigP
03-04-2009, 06:10 PM
Limbaugh has been a valuable asset to Republicans for years now.

If moderates now find Limbaugh aversive to highly aversive, Limbaugh now may be a liability.

That's all.

Speaking of liabilities, our moderate Republican candidate lost the election to an empty suit that had to be "bailed out" by Hollywood and the MSM. His numbers didn't shoot above Obama's until *gasp!* conservative Palin was nominated. That was all dashed when the economy went bra-up.

MetalHead
03-04-2009, 06:22 PM
Limbaugh has been a valuable asset to Republicans for years now.

If moderates now find Limbaugh aversive to highly aversive, Limbaugh now may be a liability.

That's all.

moderates=people of positions,not principles.
F the moderates.

SuspectCorner
03-04-2009, 06:38 PM
It's a brilliant tack. Just point out the absurdity of the way the rightwing pols "rush" to kiss the ring of their Party's face - a radio hack.

This fell into the administration's lap. They couldn't even have dreamed it up.

Nobody has twisted the Republicans' arms to behave so disgracefully... like lackeys - pandering to an over-stuffed, rehabbed, talkinghead.

It's kinda pathetic how desparate The Right has become.

DFWJC
03-04-2009, 06:49 PM
It's inside politics.

The reason Carville et al are shining the spotlight on Limbaugh is because Limbaugh has high negatives and his association with the Republican party hurts that party.

At least that's how the article explains it.

That's right. Carville is from the Clinton camp that places huge emphasis on poll data. It makes sense that they would pounce on those sad numbers. Carville is an ol Louisiana politcian. Except for maybe in Chicago politics, they don't get any slimier than in Louisiana. So he knows what he's doing here.

DFWJC
03-04-2009, 06:50 PM
This fell into the administration's lap. They couldn't even have dreamed it up.
.

Yeah, I think they're loving this right now.

sbark
03-04-2009, 07:38 PM
You need to follow the evolution of those portrayed as evil in the Democrat politics...

9 months ago it was Big Oil & Oil Speculators, then the derangement moved to Palin, then onto Bankers & Wall street CEO's.....

This inside the White House group has been in place since Nov-
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19596.html
----------Targeting a Private Citizen.....

The ads are essentially G.Soro's financed......with everyone else dancing like puppets from his tentacles.....with 10 second attention span spots.

Demcrats need a demon......they need to distract their constitutents from focusing on "voters remorse"
...such as about 50 Democrat House members are doing.

DFWJC
03-04-2009, 07:41 PM
You need to follow the evolution of those portrayed as evil in the Democrat politics...

9 months ago it was Big Oil & Oil Speculators, then the derangement moved to Palin, then onto Bankers & Wall street CEO's.....

This inside the White House group has been in place since Nov-
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19596.html
----------Targeting a Private Citizen.....

The ads are essentially G.Soro's financed......with everyone else dancing like puppets from his tentacles.....with 10 second attention span spots.

Demcrats need a demon......they need to distract their constitutents from focusing on "voters remorse"
...such as about 50 Democrat House members are doing.

I do believe Obama is absolutely a puppet of Soros.

burmafrd
03-04-2009, 08:38 PM
Now that suspect has said its a good idea we all know that the democrats are going to regret it.
Only morons and those wanting to believe it paint Rush as the leader of the republicans.
Love how Zero is so deluded that he thinks Democrats are just starting to play this game.
Carville has been doing it for more then 20 years for the Democrats. He was big in the democrats long before Rove was for the republicans. Poor Zero- just believes everything his liberal friends tell him.

SuspectCorner
03-04-2009, 09:03 PM
Now that suspect has said its a good idea we all know that the democrats are going to regret it.
Only morons and those wanting to believe it paint Rush as the leader of the republicans.
Love how Zero is so deluded that he thinks Democrats are just starting to play this game.
Carville has been doing it for more then 20 years for the Democrats. He was big in the democrats long before Rove was for the republicans. Poor Zero- just believes everything his liberal friends tell him.

Yep. Let's blame suspect for the "kowtowing-to-a-radio-hack" behavior of your Party.

And now Don Vito Limbaugh thinks he just made Obama "an offer he can't refuse" - seriously, it get's weirder for the Repubs almost every day.

Somebody - please take the wheel of that rudderless Party!

iceberg
03-04-2009, 09:38 PM
Limbaugh has been a valuable asset to Republicans for years now.

If moderates now find Limbaugh aversive to highly aversive, Limbaugh now may be a liability.

That's all.

maybe. but they don't sponsor him, endorse him, elect him to any official office by him, he's just a media dude they put up with also.

the entire "face of the republican party" crap is just that - crap. if he is the dems put him there to have a bullet in their pretty gun and a hook all baited up.

i could say charles manson is the spokesman for the dems - those *******s! but that doesn't make it so no matter how much i lie about it.

i get tired of people lying until people make it true.

iceberg
03-04-2009, 09:40 PM
It's a brilliant tack. Just point out the absurdity of the way the rightwing pols "rush" to kiss the ring of their Party's face - a radio hack.

This fell into the administration's lap. They couldn't even have dreamed it up.

Nobody has twisted the Republicans' arms to behave so disgracefully... like lackeys - pandering to an over-stuffed, rehabbed, talkinghead.

It's kinda pathetic how desparate The Right has become.

WHO THE HELL IS KISSING RUSHS RING?????

it's a freaking dream, that's for sure cause it's got nothing to do with reality.

it's kinda pathetic how people need to lie to feel better.

SuspectCorner
03-04-2009, 10:34 PM
WHO THE HELL IS KISSING RUSHS RING?????

it's a freaking dream, that's for sure cause it's got nothing to do with reality.

it's kinda pathetic how people need to lie to feel better.

From that bastion of ultraliberal opinion, Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/02/gop-chairman-apologizes-calling-limbaughs-ugly/

Other assorted takes on "the capo" of the Republicans:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rush8-2009feb08,0,3939275.story

http://themoderatevoice.com/26041/gop-lawmaker-apologizes-to-republican-powerhouse-limbaugh-for-criticism/

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/3/3/steele-republicans-bow-to-limbaugh--is-there-a-rush-of-the-left.html?s_cid=rss:robert-schlesinger:steele-republicans-bow-to-limbaugh--is-there-a-rush-of-the-left

http://www.zimbio.com/Rahm+Emanuel/articles/53/Rush+Republicans+Under+Serious+Hammering+Limbaugh



Hey, but it's just me, right?

iceberg
03-04-2009, 10:42 PM
From that bastion of ultraliberal opinion, Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/02/gop-chairman-apologizes-calling-limbaughs-ugly/

Other assorted takes on "the capo" of the Republicans:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-rush8-2009feb08,0,3939275.story

http://themoderatevoice.com/26041/gop-lawmaker-apologizes-to-republican-powerhouse-limbaugh-for-criticism/

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/3/3/steele-republicans-bow-to-limbaugh--is-there-a-rush-of-the-left.html?s_cid=rss:robert-schlesinger:steele-republicans-bow-to-limbaugh--is-there-a-rush-of-the-left

http://www.zimbio.com/Rahm+Emanuel/articles/53/Rush+Republicans+Under+Serious+Hammering+Limbaugh



Hey, but it's just me, right?

yea. like i said - say a lie enough and people will believe it. the 2nd link i saw said something how rush having his grip on the GOP from the la times.

gee. a california paper being liberal. you could knock me over with neocon.

stop pretending a few people are the whole! he is not and will not be the leader of the republican party no matter how many times you crap that out of your arse.

stop the insanity.

SuspectCorner
03-04-2009, 11:28 PM
yea. like i said - say a lie enough and people will believe it. the 2nd link i saw said something how rush having his grip on the GOP from the la times.

gee. a california paper being liberal. you could knock me over with neocon.

stop pretending a few people are the whole! he is not and will not be the leader of the republican party no matter how many times you crap that out of your arse.

stop the insanity.

Take it easy, iceberg.

I know Rush isn't the the leader of the Republican Party. Sarah Palin is. How do I know that?













Because Rush said so. :D

ZeroClub
03-05-2009, 12:27 AM
WHO THE HELL IS KISSING RUSHS RING?????

it's a freaking dream, that's for sure cause it's got nothing to do with reality.

it's kinda pathetic how people need to lie to feel better.

Steele did (after he spit on it first).

Limbaugh isn't a party leader, of course, but Limbaugh is a powerful force - he connects with many in the Republican base. That's why elected Republicans have to be careful about what they say about Limbaugh.

ThaBigP
03-05-2009, 06:51 AM
It's a brilliant tack. Just point out the absurdity of the way the rightwing pols "rush" to kiss the ring of their Party's face - a radio hack.

This fell into the administration's lap. They couldn't even have dreamed it up.

Nobody has twisted the Republicans' arms to behave so disgracefully... like lackeys - pandering to an over-stuffed, rehabbed, talkinghead.

It's kinda pathetic how desparate The Right has become.

No, my friend, you're doing the Saul Alinsky trick...make it about the man, and not the ideas/philosophy. In other words, Rush, the man supports conservatism the idea....so as a conservative, in order to "prove" you're not a "Rush butt kisser" you must distance yourself from the man and the ideas. Therefore, no longer being conservative. Besides, what's so outrageous about the man anyway? Some people have simply accepted the template that he's an outrage of a human being. What, he got hooked on pain killers? OK. So have many elderly (they are, demographically, the largest group suffering opiate addiction in the US). Are they all trash too? I'm sure most of them have likewise looked down upon drug abuse as well, so they too wear the scarlet letter of hypocricy...if that's what this is all about. But of course it's not...this has been going on long before his opiate addiction.

So what, then, is it really about. Read Saul Alinksy's Rules for Radicals for your answer. ALWAYS make it about the man (or woman, ala Palin) rather than the ideas or the institutions. People hurt easier than institutions. Then, once you've hurt the man, you can tie the ideas or institution around their neck, which will then sink with the personality. Viola! Instant victory without once having to debate a single issue... And in fact, according to Alinsky, you can make up whatever you have to in order to turn opinion against the man...truth doesn't matter, the endgame does.

iceberg
03-05-2009, 09:03 AM
Steele did (after he spit on it first).

Limbaugh isn't a party leader, of course, but Limbaugh is a powerful force - he connects with many in the Republican base. That's why elected Republicans have to be careful about what they say about Limbaugh.

no they don't. they just have to be honest about it and quit trying to paint over reality with a lie.

live by the sword die by the sword...
wait...

limbaugh isn't a party leader...

then how were they living by that sword?

the only reason rush has so much clout now is because you give it to him for whatever reason makes you smile.

cute clever phrases, cliches and lies won't make it true regardless of how much you hate rush and want to think you stumbled onto liberal nirvana.

this is the crap i hate from the liberal side. LIE LIE LIE and get defensive when called a liar.

iceberg
03-05-2009, 09:03 AM
Take it easy, iceberg.

I know Rush isn't the the leader of the Republican Party. Sarah Palin is. How do I know that?

Because Rush said so. :D

if rush if your thing and you wanna follow his every word, have at it.

ZeroClub
03-05-2009, 09:14 AM
no they don't. they just have to be honest about it and quit trying to paint over reality with a lie.

live by the sword die by the sword...
wait...

limbaugh isn't a party leader...

then how were they living by that sword?

the only reason rush has so much clout now is because you give it to him for whatever reason makes you smile.

cute clever phrases, cliches and lies won't make it true regardless of how much you hate rush and want to think you stumbled onto liberal nirvana.

this is the crap i hate from the liberal side. LIE LIE LIE and get defensive when called a liar.

Even though you really don't like it (you've made that clear), if you look at it from a strictly rational perspective, you can see how Carville's strategy might just work, can't you?

ConcordCowboy
03-05-2009, 09:41 AM
It's a brilliant tack. Just point out the absurdity of the way the rightwing pols "rush" to kiss the ring of their Party's face - a radio hack.

This fell into the administration's lap. They couldn't even have dreamed it up.

Nobody has twisted the Republicans' arms to behave so disgracefully... like lackeys - pandering to an over-stuffed, rehabbed, talkinghead.

It's kinda pathetic how desparate The Right has become.

Exactly.

iceberg
03-05-2009, 09:43 AM
Even though you really don't like it (you've made that clear), if you look at it from a strictly rational perspective, you can see how Carville's strategy might just work, can't you?

no. it won't work. the only chance in hell it has is to get people to MAKE IT TRUE with lies and whining around.

what kills me is you know it's strategy - yet you giggle and seem to support the lie.

even push it with the live by the sword crap.

JBond
03-05-2009, 11:30 AM
Steele did (after he spit on it first).

Limbaugh isn't a party leader, of course, but Limbaugh is a powerful force - he connects with many in the Republican base. That's why elected Republicans have to be careful about what they say about Limbaugh.

What did Jim Cramer do to draw the wrath of the man child Obama? Obama is the thinnest skinned man to ever hold office. For the first time in his entire life people are standing up to the man child and telling him no. The man child is responding like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.

Grow up Obama. This is the big leagues.

burmafrd
03-05-2009, 01:00 PM
I think he is just now beginning to realize that the relative cakewalk of the election was the EASY part.

DFWJC
03-05-2009, 01:04 PM
What did Jim Cramer do to draw the wrath of the man child Obama? Obama is the thinnest skinned man to ever hold office. For the first time in his entire life people are standing up to the man child and telling him no. The man child is responding like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.

Grow up Obama. This is the big leagues.

Have to agree here. Obama does appear to be VERY thin skinned. He's been pacified so much by the media--while they look the other way on relationships and lack of experience that would ruin anyone else--that he has become a spoiled man with a sense of media entitlement.

It's disappointing. I assumed he would be tougher than he seems to be.

iceberg
03-05-2009, 01:11 PM
Have to agree here. Obama does appear to be VERY thin skinned. He's been pacified so much by the media--while they look the other way on relationships and lack of experience that would ruin anyone else--that he has become a spoiled man with a sense of media entitlement.

It's disappointing. I assuumed he would be tougher than he seems to be.

as you've both said - harsh criticism seem to be new to him and yea, i agree he could handle it with more class. that said, he's still young and i won't "damn him forever" on this and we'll see if he can grow on the job.

JBond
03-05-2009, 01:21 PM
as you've both said - harsh criticism seem to be new to him and yea, i agree he could handle it with more class. that said, he's still young and i won't "damn him forever" on this and we'll see if he can grow on the job.

Give it a couple of more months.

Jim Cramer was an Obama supporter during the election. The first time he is critical of the "chosen one", boom, banished to the enemy list.

You know there have been leaders in Germany and the USSR that made enemy lists of citizens that spoke out against their leaders. We all know how that turned out.

DFWJC
03-05-2009, 01:51 PM
You know there have been leaders in Germany and the USSR that made enemy lists of citizens that spoke out against their leaders. We all know how that turned out.
:lmao2: Come on JB...that's a BIT of a stretch.

JBond
03-05-2009, 01:53 PM
:lmao2: Come on JB...that's a BIT of a stretch.

I know that. Just having some fun. Slow day at work.

ThaBigP
03-05-2009, 05:59 PM
Even though you really don't like it (you've made that clear), if you look at it from a strictly rational perspective, you can see how Carville's strategy might just work, can't you?

This could very likely backfire bigtime. It's not wise to hang your hopes on a collection of absolute idiots questioned in a poll. Case in point: Bill Ayers had lower negatives than Limbaugh. A terrorist had lower negatives than a talk show host. While one might be inclined to giggle at the notion Limbaugh would poll with higher negatives than a terrorist, it really points out something else entirely...the people are disasterously uninformed. As much as their opinion of Ayers is vacant of facts regarding his terrorist ways (just another person in your neighborhood, in your neighborhood, in your neigh..borh...hood...), their opinion of Limbaugh is just as much shaped by the MSM's portrayal of him. By pushing him further into the mainstream spotlight, they run the very real risk of people tuning in for the curiosity factor and figuring out they've been lied to all along.

sbark
03-05-2009, 06:50 PM
Article on Cramer vrs Obama

http://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyinvesting/news/cramer-my-response-white-house
Now some, including Rush Limbaugh, would say I am on another enemies list: that of the White House. Limbaugh says there are only a handful of us on it, and if I am on it for defending all of the shareholders out there, then I am in good company. Limbaugh -- whom I do not know personally, but having been in radio (http://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyinvesting/news/cramer-my-response-white-house#) myself, know professionally as a genius of the medium -- says, "They're going to shut Cramer up pretty soon, too, but he'll go down with a fight.