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SLATEmosphere
03-06-2009, 08:13 PM
Ok, so I waited till post combine and a few weeks into FA to finally assemble my mock. The Igor signing makes it rather obvious that DE is not going to be a top priority.

Let me preface this...I'm assuming that Greg backs up his bags and get's the hell out of here. I'm also taking in the affect that Scandrick will be in that "star" formation. I'm going to be doing a little wheelin n dealin myself to get 2 third rounders. Just simply too many picks to just sit back. Enjoy.

Round 2- Sean Smith-CB, Utah
With the signing of Igor, we will be able to focus on BPA. Also with Scandrick leaving to FS, our CB depth will be shot to hell if just Jenkins or Newman goes down. I'm still sticking to my guns and believe Sean will still be there. He wants to play CB in this league and will instantly replenish the CB core. It just makes all the sense in the world.

Round 3-Darry Beckwith-ILB-LSU
Having a high 3rd rounder..almost a late 2nd rounder will still allow us to get Beckwith with excellent value. One of the best cover ILB's in the draft, he could instantly make an impact on this team and take over for Burnett. Also has the size to be groomed into a starter in this league. Great lateral movement and speed.

Round 3- Lawrence Sidbury-OLB/DE-Richmond
I'm moving back into the 3rd round and first day in the draft to pick up this guy. Trading the Lions 4th rounder and one our 5th's to get to pick 10-15 in the 3rd. His spin move is identical to Freeney's and dominating. He's one of my pet's in this years draft and could be an impact player opposite Ware. Could play DE on third and long to rush the passer. Also having depth at the OLB postion where you can never have too many pass rushers.

Round 4(our 4th)-Antoine Caldwell-C-Alabama
Backup center that can play all 3 interior line positions. Provides depth at both center and G. Very smart player and one of Saban's favorite linemen. Proctor is just not going to cut it. He gets cut before TC and Caldwell and Holland are reserves for Kosier and BIGG.

Round 5-Rhett Bomar-QB-Sam Houston State
We need a QB to groom and have a chance to start in the future. Has all th tools needed to be a great QB and with right coaching and setting could succeed. I'm tired of 35+ QB's on our roster, we need to get young at QB and become a QB factory.

Round 5(comp pick)-Sammy Lee Hill-DT-Stillman
With Tank leaving there is a backup NT spot left open. Looks like Rat will be playing NT now that Igor has signed, so NT depth is required. Lots of buzz with this kid and I can see why. His size screams 3-4 NT and can help spell Rat in situations. Has a mean bull rush move and plays well in run support.

Round 6-Traded for a future pick in 2010 to help recover the 5th lossed for Holland

Round 6-(Comp)-Darcel Mcbath-FS-Texas Tech
I liked his play when I watched him and could become a solid FS in the future. Has playmaking abilities with 9 picks last year to lead the nation. Not the fastest guy in the world but can provide depth at safety.

Round 7-Javorski Lane-FB-Texas A&M
Bruising FB to help lay some blocks for our running game. Deon Anderson is just simply not a fullback. I've seen him lay some nasty blows to people and reminds me of a young Lorenzo Neal.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1DsF2tJXG0&mode=related&search=

Round 7-Ryan DelRosal-OT-Dixie State
Very raw LT, but could become polished with the right coaching. Great footwork for a guy his size and extremely quick(sub 5 forty) Could end up sitting for a year or two and eventually taking over for Flozell.

Goldenrichards83
03-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Well done sir. Love just about every pick. I hope your boy Smith last that long. The safety position seems to warrant a guy who can play both corner and safety.

Love how you replenish the lber core but I would like to take a DT a lil earlier. I have my eye on the big guy out of Clemson.

I don't think Mcbath will last as long and Caldwell is just what we need on the oline. A versatile guy who can paly G/C well.

I also would like Brannan Southerland at FB. He is more of a traditional FB, also would like to see a OG and a WR in theres somewhere.

SLATEmosphere
03-06-2009, 08:41 PM
Well done sir. Love just about every pick. I hope your boy Smith last that long. The safety position seems to warrant a guy who can play both corner and safety.

Love how you replenish the lber core but I would like to take a DT a lil earlier. I have my eye on the big guy out of Clemson.

I don't think Mcbath will last as long and Caldwell is just what we need on the oline. A versatile guy who can paly G/C well.

I also would like Brannan Southerland at FB. He is more of a traditional FB, also would like to see a OG and a WR in theres somewhere.

Dorell Scott? Ya I almost put him in the 3rd, but just couldn't find a place with him. Sammy just seems like a perfect fit to spell Rat.

Goldenrichards83
03-06-2009, 08:49 PM
Dorell Scott? Ya I almost put him in the 3rd, but just couldn't find a place with him. Sammy just seems like a perfect fit to spell Rat.You know I wouldn't be surpised if we took both. Scott will make some team very happy. I think he's a 1st rd talent who got a bad rap because of the teams defense and record. Spears, Hatcher and Bowen will be FA next year, which could mean Rat moves to the LE fulltime. We will need a DT and a backup DT for that to happen and with a year under there belt the transition could be very smooth.

VACowboy
03-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Scott has the tools to play DE, too.

SLATEmosphere
03-06-2009, 09:39 PM
You know I wouldn't be surpised if we took both. Scott will make some team very happy. I think he's a 1st rd talent who got a bad rap because of the teams defense and record. Spears, Hatcher and Bowen will be FA next year, which could mean Rat moves to the LE fulltime. We will need a DT and a backup DT for that to happen and with a year under there belt the transition could be very smooth.

That could be a possiblity too. I just like Sidbury because of his pass rushing ability. He's not quite a "need", but back to back DT would be alright with me.

Goldenrichards83
03-06-2009, 09:51 PM
We would have a DL rotation like Jimmy had back in the day. :eek:

DaBoys4Life
03-06-2009, 10:31 PM
I'd say hell no to Jovorski Lane....You're drafting Sean SMith to play CB? The trade is throwing me off but I like most of your picks I'd drop Smith for a WR though.

SLATEmosphere
03-06-2009, 11:04 PM
I'd say hell no to Jovorski Lane....You're drafting Sean SMith to play CB? The trade is throwing me off but I like most of your picks I'd drop Smith for a WR though.

Yes I am. He's stated in several interviews that he wants to play corner in the NFL and Scandrick is moving to FS. The trade? I traded the Lions 4th rounder(first pick in that round) and a 6th to get back in the 3rd.

jterrell
03-07-2009, 12:05 AM
The one thing I can promise you for certain is that if we draft Sean Smith it will be to play FS.

Not only do we have a greater need there, Smith is not a tight man cover guy as he says himself. He knows he is a cover 2 CB which is why he wants to go to a team running a Tampa 2 defense.

MarionBarberThe4th
03-07-2009, 12:36 AM
Wow, you have the same philosophy I do about this draft. Trading up, and getting a 5th for next year. Smart guy.

I dont really value WR, but were probably gonna end up w/ a speedy 6'0" slot type w/ PR skills

I think Smith makes perfect sense. No matter what we do w/ Scandrick.

I dont see ILB being that big of a need. Maybe a NT there, or Kropug.

And of course Pat White.......

silverbear
03-07-2009, 12:55 AM
Round 2- Sean Smith-CB, Utah

I don't think he lasts this long...

Round 3-Darry Beckwith-ILB-LSU

I've read that the Boys really like him... I can certainly see them going this way...

Round 3- Lawrence Sidbury-OLB/DE-Richmond

I dunno, I'm not real high on Sidbury...

Round 4(our 4th)-Antoine Caldwell-C-Alabama

I'd LOVE this pick, but I don't think he makes it this far... with Haynesworth playing for the Skins, the Boys badly need a bigger, more physical backup for Gurode...

Maybe the Boys could claim him with the previous pick...

Round 5-Rhett Bomar-QB-Sam Houston State

Most of us expect the Boys to draft a developmental QB, and I like Bomar, but he seems to be rising draft boards these days... again, maybe the Boys could snag him with the previous pick...

Round 5(comp pick)-Sammy Lee Hill-DT-Stillman

At one time I was quite high on Hill, now I'm dubious about the level of competition he played at... it's a BIG jump to the NFL from Stillman...

Round 6-(Comp)-Darcel Mcbath-FS-Texas Tech

I like McBath, but I've seen him as high as the 4th round in recent mocks...


Round 7-Javorski Lane-FB-Texas A&M

As big as he is, he's more of a ballcarrier than a blocker...

Round 7-Ryan DelRosal-OT-Dixie State

I'd like that pick...

All in all, not bad...

silverbear
03-07-2009, 12:58 AM
Well done sir. Love just about every pick. I hope your boy Smith last that long. The safety position seems to warrant a guy who can play both corner and safety.

Love how you replenish the lber core but I would like to take a DT a lil earlier. I have my eye on the big guy out of Clemson.

I like Dorell Scott, but I'd prefer Chris Baker from Hampton... though some project him to DE in a 3-4, he weighed in at 325 at the Combine, and I think he can play NT at that size...

I've also read recently that the Boys have talked with RaShon Harris, the 320 pound DT from Oregon, who looks like a 5th or 6th rounder...

SLATEmosphere
03-07-2009, 02:52 PM
Wow, you have the same philosophy I do about this draft. Trading up, and getting a 5th for next year. Smart guy.

I dont really value WR, but were probably gonna end up w/ a speedy 6'0" slot type w/ PR skills

I think Smith makes perfect sense. No matter what we do w/ Scandrick.

I dont see ILB being that big of a need. Maybe a NT there, or Kropug.

And of course Pat White.......

I just don't see any need for Pat White on this offense.

DaBoys4Life
03-07-2009, 02:57 PM
Yes I am. He's stated in several interviews that he wants to play corner in the NFL and Scandrick is moving to FS. The trade? I traded the Lions 4th rounder(first pick in that round) and a 6th to get back in the 3rd.

Ah, I see. Isn't it a little early for your final mock ?

SLATEmosphere
03-07-2009, 03:00 PM
Ah, I see. Isn't it a little early for your final mock ?

No, all the moves have pretty much been made. Even if we add a corner, I'll stll stick with my mock.

SLATEmosphere
03-23-2009, 07:25 PM
Well here's my Final Mock part 2 haha..I was impressed with some people in their pro-days so I wanted to tweak it a little

Round 2- Sean Smith-CB, Utah
With the signing of Igor, we will be able to focus on BPA. Also with Sensabaugh being added I still think we could use the depth back there. I'm still sticking to my guns and believe Sean will still be there.

Round 3-Daniel Ellerbe-ILB-Georgia
Having a high 3rd rounder..almost a late 2nd rounder will still allow us to get Ellerbe with excellent value. I really liked his pro-day and actually seems to have better coverage and POA skills better than Beckwith. I popped in a few Georgia tapes i recorded last season and was impressed. Can't believe I missed out on this guy.

Round 3- Jason Williams-OLB-Western Illinois
I'm moving back into the 3rd round and first day in the draft to pick up this guy. Trading the Lions 4th rounder and one our 5th's to get to pick 10-15 in the 3rd. Some people have this guy at ILB but I think he has OLB written all over him. He's a hot commodity now with his freakish measurables. Runs a 4.4 at 240 pounds..pretty impressive. Has a knack to force fumbles coming off the edge and could play a big role in our defense. I believe Ellis is let go or traded. Williams could spell both Spencer and Ware.

Round 4(our 4th)-Antoine Caldwell-C-Alabama
Backup center that can play all 3 interior line positions. Provides depth at both center and G. Very smart player and one of Saban's favorite linemen. Proctor is just not going to cut it. He gets cut before TC and Caldwell and Holland are reserves for Kosier and BIGG.

Round 5-Rhett Bomar-QB-Sam Houston State
We need a QB to groom and have a chance to start in the future. Has all th tools needed to be a great QB and with right coaching and setting could succeed. I'm tired of 35+ QB's on our roster, we need to get young at QB and become a QB factory.

Round 5(comp pick)-Ra'Shon Harris-DT-Oregon
With Tank leaving there is a backup NT spot left open. Looks like Rat will be playing NT now that Igor has signed, so NT depth is required. Not sure if he will still be there but he could spell Rat at NT and maybe groom for next year to move Rat over to DE. He's 6"5 321 and can collapse the pocket.

Round 6-Traded for a future pick in 2010 to help recover the 5th lossed for Holland

Round 6(comp)-Daniel Holtclaw-Eastern Michigan-ILB
I believe he'll still be available. He was considered a UFA but he had a great pro day and showed he could compete in the NFL. 4 year starter and natural leader. One of those grit guys that you need on your team. Could backup Bradie and provide depth at ILB..Hopefully we'll trade Barbie in the draft.

Round 6-Michael Ray Garvin-Florida St-PR/KR
Traded both 7th rounders to move up and grab him. A true speedster and could help return punts. Crayton is terrible even though he is "sure hands" but he'll never break one for a TD. We need a threat and Garvins 4.24 speed will allow him to be just that.

ghst187
03-23-2009, 07:54 PM
Love the mock, add in a quick, fast WR and I'd take it

BAT
03-23-2009, 08:34 PM
The one thing I can promise you for certain is that if we draft Sean Smith it will be to play FS.

Not only do we have a greater need there, Smith is not a tight man cover guy as he says himself. He knows he is a cover 2 CB which is why he wants to go to a team running a Tampa 2 defense.


Ding. Ding. Ding. Winner. Smith will play safety, if chosen by the Cowboys.

Biggems
03-23-2009, 09:56 PM
just so you know, the 3rd round is 2nd day as of last year's draft.

what do you think of my latest....

2 - OG Duke Robinson or OC Eric Wood
3 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury
4 - ILB Daniel Holtzclaw
4 - FS Darcel McBath
5 - OLB Jason Williams
5 - DT Sammie Lee Hill
5 - WR Johnny Knox
6 - CB Brice McCain
6 - OT Lydon Murtha
7 - ILB/SS Spencer Adkins
7 - CB Wopamo Osaisai

UDFA
OT - Ryan Delrosal
OT - Jose Valdez
CB - Ryan Palmer
WR - Greg Carr



I am hoping we wait until next season to draft a QB to groom, hopefully Colt McCoy.

BAT
03-23-2009, 09:59 PM
just so you know, the 3rd round is 2nd day as of last year's draft.

what do you think of my latest....

2 - OG Duke Robinson or OC Eric Wood
3 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury
4 - ILB Daniel Holtzclaw
4 - FS Darcel McBath
5 - OLB Jason Williams
5 - DT Sammie Lee Hill
5 - WR Johnny Knox
6 - CB Brice McCain
6 - OT Lydon Murtha
7 - ILB/SS Spencer Adkins
7 - CB Wopamo Osaisai

UDFA
OT - Ryan Delrosal
OT - Jose Valdez
CB - Ryan Palmer
WR - Greg Carr



I am hoping we wait until next season to draft a QB to groom, hopefully Colt McCoy.

I like Holtzclaw, but no way he is going in the 4th, maybe not even in the 6th.

Biggems
03-23-2009, 10:05 PM
I like Holtzclaw, but no way he is going in the 4th, maybe not even in the 6th.


his stock has been going up, and after his pro day, I can see him going in the 4th. I would prefer to get him with our 5th round comp pick

BAT
03-23-2009, 10:22 PM
his stock has been going up, and after his pro day, I can see him going in the 4th. I would prefer to get him with our 5th round comp pick

I doubt its gone from 7-UDFA to 4th. Have his 40 times been released? Much as I dislike using those times, it is usually that particular measurable that determines meteoric rises.


If anything, it is Jason Williams who has distinguished himself more, and if any LB rises higher than the 4th, from where he was originally slotted 4th-6th, it will be Williams and his multiple 4.4's.

Biggems
03-23-2009, 10:29 PM
I doubt its gone from 7-UDFA to 4th. Have his 40 times been released? Much as I dislike using those times, it is usually that particular measurable that determines meteoric rises.


If anything, it is Jason Williams who has distinguished himself more, and if any LB rises higher than the 4th, from where he was originally slotted 4th-6th, it will be Williams and his multiple 4.4's.


ok switch where i have Williams and Holtzclaw....we still get them both and I am happy.

SLATEmosphere
03-24-2009, 01:16 AM
just so you know, the 3rd round is 2nd day as of last year's draft.

what do you think of my latest....

2 - OG Duke Robinson or OC Eric Wood
3 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury
4 - ILB Daniel Holtzclaw
4 - FS Darcel McBath
5 - OLB Jason Williams
5 - DT Sammie Lee Hill
5 - WR Johnny Knox
6 - CB Brice McCain
6 - OT Lydon Murtha
7 - ILB/SS Spencer Adkins
7 - CB Wopamo Osaisai

UDFA
OT - Ryan Delrosal
OT - Jose Valdez
CB - Ryan Palmer
WR - Greg Carr



I am hoping we wait until next season to draft a QB to groom, hopefully Colt McCoy.

I'd be pleased with that draft. Not gunna lie. Duke is growin on me! I hate to take our first pick on something that's actually a strong point (Kosier and BIGG) though. Kosier is the most underrated player on our team and I really don't want to lose him yet if we don't have to.

Wouldn't mind Wood though..can play all three interior line positions..that's a huge plus.

DaBoys4Life
03-24-2009, 01:23 AM
With Koiser and Holland drafting a guard first is plan silly.

silverbear
03-24-2009, 05:01 AM
With Koiser and Holland drafting a guard first is plan silly.


Because they were both SOOOO good last year, right??

Guess you're willing to gamble that a) Kosier won't get hurt again, and b) Holland will show up to training camp in shape, ready to go... because if both of those don't happen, then we're right back to counting on Cory Procter...

And what would be the harm with bringing in a guard who might be better than both Kosier and Holland (referring to Duke Robinson here, he's the only guard I'd even consider at pick 51)??

I was quite confused, until I read your mock draft that's in your sig... seems you don't want a big, mauling, physical guard who fits the prototype of what Hudson Houck looks for in an offensive lineman, but you're quite willing to draft a finesse tackle who really doesn't fit Houck's profile... to which I'd reply that we already have Doug Free, why would we draft his freakin' clone??

I've watched you here on the draft board these past coupla months, and I plan on thanking God that you have no hand in making personnel decisions for my favorite football team... sorry, but I surely don't see you as a draft guru...

Macnalty
03-24-2009, 06:39 AM
Have you noticed how well we have been drafting OL and you have the audacity to get on this guys case for an unrealistic draft? We need to do something different than what we have done the last ten years in the OL draft, is that not the definition of something? Same thing for ten years and the same result, some do not have to wonder. Hudson Houck player, ok, make that 11 years. Pass the kool-aid, and do not act surprised when we spend our wad on OL in FA down the road.
Because they were both SOOOO good last year, right??

Guess you're willing to gamble that a) Kosier won't get hurt again, and b) Holland will show up to training camp in shape, ready to go... because if both of those don't happen, then we're right back to counting on Cory Procter...

And what would be the harm with bringing in a guard who might be better than both Kosier and Holland (referring to Duke Robinson here, he's the only guard I'd even consider at pick 51)??

I was quite confused, until I read your mock draft that's in your sig... seems you don't want a big, mauling, physical guard who fits the prototype of what Hudson Houck looks for in an offensive lineman, but you're quite willing to draft a finesse tackle who really doesn't fit Houck's profile... to which I'd reply that we already have Doug Free, why would we draft his freakin' clone??

I've watched you here on the draft board these past coupla months, and I plan on thanking God that you have no hand in making personnel decisions for my favorite football team... sorry, but I surely don't see you as a draft guru...

silverbear
03-24-2009, 09:53 AM
Have you noticed how well we have been drafting OL and you have the audacity to get on this guys case for an unrealistic draft?

Sure do... Meredith would not be well-served by being drafted by the Cowboys, he needs to go to a team like the Broncos...

Now, are you suggesting that Duke Robinson is not a very good, very physical guard??

We need to do something different than what we have done the last ten years in the OL draft, is that not the definition of something? Same thing for ten years and the same result, some do not have to wonder.

Uhhh, don't look now, but until last year, draft decisions were shaped by first Larry Lacewell, then by Jeff Ireland... but now, it's Tom Ciskowski, so your "the last ten years argument" is feeble... we have different people shaping our drafts these days, so it's kind of ridiculous to expect that old patterns will continue...

And given that Meredith has a very similar skillset to Doug Free's, no, drafting him would most assuredly NOT be "doing something different"...

So now, I know that you're not exactly a heavyweight draft guru, either...

Bob Sacamano
03-24-2009, 10:06 AM
And given that Meredith has a very similar skillset to Doug Free's, no, drafting him would most assuredly NOT be "doing something different"...

So now, I know that you're not exactly a heavyweight draft guru, either...

I gotta disagree here, Free is a 320lb. guy who is weak as hell, Meredith is skinnier, but stronger coming out as a rookie than Free was, benching 225, 31 times at the Combine, compared to Free's 22, at 325

also Free is a finesse blocker, that label hasn't been attributed to Meredith

Free's problem is that he's really weak in the upper body, can't say that about Meredith

Doomsday101
03-24-2009, 10:51 AM
I would be a bit suprised if Dallas did take a QB in this draft since we brought in Kitna.

jterrell
03-24-2009, 10:58 AM
Slate, never make your final mock this early:)

Too many things change.

And I am sure we will draft a QB. We have too many picks not to and will want a 3rd QB who at the very least is on the practice squad. We would have resigned Bollinger as the 3rd QB if we thought we could/should develop him.

Doomsday101
03-24-2009, 11:02 AM
Slate, never make your final mock this early:)

Too many things change.

And I am sure we will draft a QB. We have too many picks not to and will want a 3rd QB who at the very least is on the practice squad. We would have resigned Bollinger as the 3rd QB if we thought we could/should develop him.

True however the 3rd QB would end up getting cut on the final cut day and have to make it through waivers to be placed on practice squad I highly doubt Dallas will have 3 after the final 53 man roster is established.

BAT
03-24-2009, 11:06 AM
I gotta disagree here, Free is a 320lb. guy who is weak as hell, Meredith is skinnier, but stronger coming out as a rookie than Free was, benching 225, 31 times at the Combine, compared to Free's 22, at 325

also Free is a finesse blocker, that label hasn't been attributed to Meredith

Free's problem is that he's really weak in the upper body, can't say that about Meredith

Actually, Free is nastier. Merideth may be the better athlete (based on measurables) but Free moves better (better feet, better getting to second level, better in space) and had the better production as OT.


Free does need to get stronger (upper & lower body), Merideth needs more experience (jack of all trades, played all over the line) and an attitude adjustment (inconsistent, underachieved).

jterrell
03-24-2009, 12:47 PM
True however the 3rd QB would end up getting cut on the final cut day and have to make it through waivers to be placed on practice squad I highly doubt Dallas will have 3 after the final 53 man roster is established.

I would tend to agree with you but another team would have to have an open roster spot to keep that guy and we wouldn't be drafting one early anyways. Even if it is a player like Matt Moore we get him in house and take a good look at him. Decide if he is worth burning a roster spot for. The Moore experience as well as using 3 QBs last year may alter how we address it.

I know it is a benefit to be able to have that 3rd guy active without costing a 45 man spot in case of injury. And we will want a 3rd QB for practices without doubt. With 11 picks hard to assume we'll wait and then bid and hope we get lucky to acquire a guy we like there. --there being as an udfa.

SLATEmosphere
03-24-2009, 02:58 PM
I would be a bit suprised if Dallas did take a QB in this draft since we brought in Kitna.

You can never have enough good QB's..I think you always need to have a young QB for him to groom for a few years..just like one particular QB on our roster now..Tony Romo???

Doomsday101
03-24-2009, 04:26 PM
You can never have enough good QB's..I think you always need to have a young QB for him to groom for a few years..just like one particular QB on our roster now..Tony Romo???

I understand that but draft a QB in the 5th rd and then having to release him to bring him back to the practice squad is risky. It is hard enough to get your roster down to 53 which is why it will be difficult to have 3 QB after the final cut. I'm all for bringing a QB on to the practice squad I would just as soon draft one later as a project 6th or 7th rd. If Dallas is looking at replacing Romo any time soon then that draft pick will be much higher

TheCount
03-24-2009, 04:31 PM
I'll take it and not complain, but no WR?

SLATEmosphere
03-24-2009, 04:58 PM
I'll take it and not complain, but no WR?

No, I pondered on taking Bryd in the 6th but decided to pass..

I'm going to assume that Felix will be our 4th/5th reciever going in motion into the slot of some plays..potentially catching around 30-40 balls.