Ron Brace

[slotshot]

Many have included this guy in possible Cowboys draft plans in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. I just finshed watching a bit of his pro-day today on NFLN. He was less than inspiring from all accounts, although he couldn't help but be compared to the far superior Raji also present.

Basically, this guy is a wide-load run stuffer. Is that what we need/want? I may very much be mistaken, but I seem to recall the 3-4 we run having the NT get some penetration as well (although Ratliff sets a standard here that would be hard to follow as well). Would Brace actually interest our staff?

[Rampage]

Ron Brace for life! and yes he would be a great back up for J-Rat

[Bob Sacamano]

apparently there's interest

but we don't need him, and he definitely wouldn't warrant being taken in the 2nd

[Bob Sacamano]

Ron Brace for life! and yes he would be a great back up for J-Rat

calm down, Anthony

[Rampage]

calm down, Anthony
what chu talking bout Bob?

[Bob Sacamano]

what chu talking bout Bob?

just making sure you don't cream your pants

which you tend to do when they mention Ron Brace:p: :p: :p: :p: :p:

plus you're from New York, so I'm going to call you Anthony from now on, or do you prefer Tony?:p: :p: :p: :p:

[Rampage]

just making sure you don't cream your pants

which you tend to do when they mention Ron Brace:p: :p: :p: :p: :p:

plus you're from New York, so I'm going to call you Anthony from now on, or do you prefer Tony?:p: :p: :p: :p:
actually my real name is Rob so you can call me that. I'm also not even Italian. OMG!

[Bob Sacamano]

actually my real name is Rob so you can call me that. I'm also not even Italian. OMG!

:laugh1: Rob?

ok Robert

[Rampage]

:laugh1: Rob?

ok Robert
:confused: ....

[Bob Sacamano]

:confused: ....

nevmnd

[SLATEmosphere]

Ok Bob, I agree that he isn't worthy of a 2nd rounder, but in the 3rd he could have great value. a 3rd round value is basically backing up a starter and contributing on plays. IMO we need a run stuffer to help spell Rat and obviously help out the run game. The sole purpose for a 3-4 NT is to take on blockers to free up the two ILB's. He does that.

[SDogo]

No......

[Rampage]

Ok Bob, I agree that he isn't worthy of a 2nd rounder, but in the 3rd he could have great value. a 3rd round value is basically backing up a starter and contributing on plays. IMO we need a run stuffer to help spell Rat and obviously help out the run game. The sole purpose for a 3-4 NT is to take on blockers to free up the two ILB's. He does that.
SHUT EM DOWN SLATE!

[SDogo]

Ok Bob, I agree that he isn't worthy of a 2nd rounder, but in the 3rd he could have great value. a 3rd round value is basically backing up a starter and contributing on plays. IMO we need a run stuffer to help spell Rat and obviously help out the run game. The sole purpose for a 3-4 NT is to take on blockers to free up the two ILB's. He does that.

He was consistently neutralized by a single blocker on the college level. Teams are more likely to waste two blockers on Ratliff then they would Brace.

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok Bob, I agree that he isn't worthy of a 2nd rounder, but in the 3rd he could have great value. a 3rd round value is basically backing up a starter and contributing on plays. IMO we need a run stuffer to help spell Rat and obviously help out the run game. The sole purpose for a 3-4 NT is to take on blockers to free up the two ILB's. He does that.

if we only need Brace for like 10 plays a game, why take him so high?

[BAT]

IMO the 3rd round is still too early for a one dimensional backup. There will be playmakers still on the board in the 3rd.


Monstrous run stuffers will be there later, even in FA. Siavii is 320, I'm sure he can put on another 10-20 lbs and be the "blocker magnet" if needed.


Sammie Lee Hill is as big (6'4 330) and about as stout against the run, with the added ability to rush the passer (albeit at a lower level of competition). But this kid will be there after the 3rd. There is also a young very bright guy from Miami w/athleticism for his size, Antonio Dixon 6'3 238. He may not even be drafted.

[SDogo]

IMO the 3rd round is still too early for a one dimensional backup. There will be playmakers still on the board in the 3rd.


Monstrous run stuffers will be there later, even in FA. Siavii is 320, I'm sure he can put on another 10-20 lbs and be the "blocker magnet" if needed.


Sammie Lee Hill is as big (6'4 330) and about as stout against the run, with the added ability to rush the passer (albeit at a lower level of competition). But this kid will be there after the 3rd. There is also a young very bright guy from Miami w/athleticism for his size, Antonio Dixon 6'3 238. He may not even be drafted.

Exactly, it's not like at any point in his career Brace dominated a game or changed a series. He was a big body who occupied space but at that, he did it poorly. Teams never changed blocking schemes for him.

If you want a fat guy to take up space and give Ratliff a rest you can pull the trigger on one of the guys you mentioned much later or give my Uncle Pete a call.

[5mics]

Many have included this guy in possible Cowboys draft plans in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. I just finshed watching a bit of his pro-day today on NFLN. He was less than inspiring from all accounts, although he couldn't help but be compared to the far superior Raji also present.

Basically, this guy is a wide-load run stuffer. Is that what we need/want? I may very much be mistaken, but I seem to recall the 3-4 we run having the NT get some penetration as well (although Ratliff sets a standard here that would be hard to follow as well). Would Brace actually interest our staff?
I'm all for him w/ our 2nd! I value a mammoth run-stuffer who'll occupy multiple blockers in the middle thus, freeing up DWare, Rat, Spencer, James to pressure the QB. Plus, our division likes to mash w/ the run. Brace is not a sexy-pick BUT he's not a JAG either, he's a talented big guy; I'll wait to see what NFL scouts say after the final evals are done so he's my choice right now. I'm more interested in maximizing our pass-rushers talents and shutting down our divisional foes' run game; bring on Brace!

[SDogo]

I'm all for him w/ our 2nd! I value a mammoth run-stuffer who'll occupy multiple blockers in the middle thus, freeing up DWare, Rat, Spencer, James to pressure the QB. Plus, our division likes to mash w/ the run. Brace is not a sexy-pick BUT he's not a JAG either. I'm more interested in maximizing our pass-rushers talents and shutting down our divisional foes' run game. Bring on Brace!


He does not occupy multiple blockers. It was the knock on him his whole college career. Grab a few BC games a check it out but be prepared to search hard because the guy vanished for games at a time. With his size and playing next to Raji he should of been a nightmare for opposing Offensive Lineman. Instead, they knew they could take the play off and just occupy him.

Only "phone booth" quickness. … Requires a free lane to close on the quarterback and isn't going to provide significant interior pass rush. … Marginal effort and ability in pursuit. … Flanked by a better prospect in Raji and often faces only one blocker. … Struggled with a recurring back injury in 2008. … Concern over back injury only heightened considering his heavy build and potential to allow his weight to get out of control.

Not a sack artist and repertoire of pass rush moves is limited...Does not always play with proper leverage...Still needs to use his hands better...Will get hung up on blocks...Conditioning and stamina might be issues...Has an inconsistent motor...Didn't face many double teams.

[5mics]

He does not occupy multiple blockers. It was the knock on him his whole college career. Grab a few BC games a check it out but be prepared to search hard because the guy vanished for games at a time. With his size and playing next to Raji he should of been a nightmare for opposing Offensive Lineman. Instead, they knew they could take the play off and just occupy him.
Some players bloom late? Why is he then being touted as a 2nd-3rd rounder instead of a late/UDFA if he was just a JAG? I'm open to changing my mind on him, but I want to hear the "final" evals from NFL scouts especially our guys. For now though, he's my guy.

[SDogo]

Some players bloom late? Why is he then being touted as a 2nd-3rd rounder instead of a late/UDFA if he was just a JAG? I'm open to changing my mind on him, but I want to hear the "final" evals from NFL scouts especially our guys. For now though, he's my guy.

It's not a unanimous decision that he is a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I can provide multiple sources that have him as a 5th or 6th rounder as well.

Also, how do you know he is being touted as a 2nd or 3rd round pick if your still waiting on the final evals from NFL scouts.

[Manwiththeplan]

I would like for us to take Brace, but definately not in the 2nd. I think a lot of the people knocking him are over looking the fact that in 07' BJ Raji didn't play due to his grades and Brace put of almost identical numbers. On top of that Boston College ranked 2nd in the nation vs the run, allowing 75.5 yards per game vs the 91.21 yards per game this year.

[Yeagermeister]

if we only need Brace for like 10 plays a game, why take him so high?

Too piss you off :D

[CowboyFan74]

He sounds like the next Marcus Spears. How many reps did he do on bench?

[Goldenrichards83]

Phinsider Exclusive Interview with Ron Brace**
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Could Brace potentially be Miami's nose tackle of the future?
With the Scouting Combine just a day or so away, everyone is preparing to watch their favorite potential draft picks work out for all 32 NFL teams. And one of the players who has been getting a lot of attention recently, especially among Dolphin fans, is Boston College defensive tackle Ron Brace.
Brace, a 3 year starter at BC, has been overshadowed by his teammate and likely top 10 overall draft pick B.J. Raji. But that doesn't mean Brace, who had a very good career himself at BC, isn't going to garner a lot of attention from NFL scouts and GMs - especially from teams who are looking for a nose tackle to fit their 3-4 defensive scheme.
At the Senior Bowl, Brace measured in at 6'3, 329 pounds - certainly large enough handle the nose. And while he doesn't have much experience at all in a 3-4 scheme, Ron's bulk, strength, and ability to collapse a pocket lead you to believe he'd be able to effectively transition to the nose.
I recently had a chance to exchange a few questions with Ron. Among some of the highlights, he tells us that the Dolphins have indeed shown interest in him and that he'd welcome the chance to play in a 3-4 defensive scheme. Below are my questions and Ron's responses:
Ron, I'm sure that you are attracting a lot of attention since you're one of the draft's only players who could play nose tackle at this next level. Which teams have shown the most interest in you so far?
"Yeah I got a lot of attention at the Senior Bowl. I spent a lot of time with teams running a 3-4. The Dolphins, Cowboys, Chargers, Steelers, Broncos, and Patriots, to name a few."
What have your conversations with the Dolphins been like so far?
"They’ve been real positive. I must’ve talked with the Dolphins a couple times throughout the Senior Bowl week. We had lengthy talks about my background and things I like to do outside of football. They asked me a lot of questions and really took the time out to get to know me as a person."
How do you feel about potentially being targeted by Bill Parcells and the Miami Dolphins? Is a city like Miami and a team like the Dolphins - a team that is on the upswing but also one with a historic past - something that excites you?
"It feels good. Miami has a great organization from top to bottom. I’m impressed with how quickly they turned it around this past year. This whole process is real exciting. It’s really nice to know that they’re interested."
Do you have any experience playing in a 3-4 defensive scheme? And how would you feel transitioning to the nose after spending your college days playing in a defense at BC that used 4 down lineman?
"I would like to play for any team who believes in me, whether it’s a 4-3 or 3-4. I know that I would have no problem taking up two gaps though. I could definitely see myself as a nose in a 3-4. But I also want to go out and prove that I’m more than just a bruiser. Albert Haynesworth was considered only that early in his career, and now he’s not only a mauler, but a pass rusher at the line too."
What do you feel are some of your strengths as a player? And what do you feel you most need to work on?
"I’m quick off the snap. I’ve got a nasty bull-rush. I can occupy multiple linemen and collapse the pocket. I feel that you can always get better at anything, so I’m a guy who’s going to keep working on my craft."
What do you think is going to be toughest in your transition from the college game to the pros?
"The wear and tear of a 17-week season, plus the playoffs. That’ll be the biggest difference, and definitely one I look forward to."

[BraveHeartFan]

I wouldn't mind having him cause if he can stuff the run well enough it would allow us to be flexible with Jay where he can play some NT and some DE to pass rush. I wouldn't be opposed to that at all.

[Goldenrichards83]

Ron Brace

6'3, 326 pounds | Boston College | Defensive tackle

Strengths: Brace possesses the size of a two-gap plugger, but the quickness to of a one-gap tackle. He uses that size and quickness to stuff the run nicely. He has a powerful base and is hard to move around. Because of that, running backs have to adjust where they're going or run right into Brace. Strong against the double team. During the 2008 season, Brace would regularly take up two blockers so teammate B.J. Raji could burst into the backfield. Uses his power to collapse the interior of the pocket. Good agility, which allows him to slide down the line really well.

Weaknesses: Not especially productive. Had only 27 tackles as a senior, which is just over two a game. Really not a factor rushing the pass unless he can push a blocker back or gets an open lane. Some questions about his durability due to recurring back ailment in 2008. Pursuit and effort are lacking at times. Doesn't always fight hard to get through double teams. Inconsistent with his technique. Will get too upright at times negating his his strength.

Final word: Brace is a top run-stopping tackle who was often overshadowed by Raji. He may not be much of a pass rusher, but his ability against the run warrants such a high grade. A second-team All ACC member in 2008 and honorable mention in 2007. Has some versatility because he's a multi-technique tackle.

Round projection: 2



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Boston College DT Ron Brace Scouting Report
Height: 6-3, Weight: 334, 40 Yard Dash: 5.47

Strengths: Ideal NFL size and bulk...strong lower body, really an anchor versus the run...decent first step for a man his size...NFL ready run stuffer right now...can deliver the big hit when he gets in close...shows good awareness...has the ability to take on multiple defenders...could be a 3-4 NT...teamed with B.J. Raji to shut down opposing rushing offenses...

Weaknesses: Needs to work on his technique, can sometimes get too high...needs to improve his conditioning and motor...played next to the top defensive tackle in the draft so was never given the full attention of the offense...not a pass rushing threat...will struggle to pursue laterally...

Overall: Ron Brace may never put up big numbers in the NFL, but he is the type of player that can really anchor a top defense. His strength at the point of attack and massive size will be a huge asset and could lead to him being selected to play the nose in a 3-4 scheme. He also would be a solid player at the nose in a 4-3 scheme. He was productive at BC getting into the backfield (11 TFL as a senior) but there is some concern his value was inflated because of B.J. Raji. However, his potential and size are too hard to ignore and he represents a great value in the second round or later. Teams must convince themselves that his injury history wit his back, as well as his conditioning, are non factors.

[Goldenrichards83]

He sounds like the next Marcus Spears. How many reps did he do on bench?32


I would like for us to take Brace, but definately not in the 2nd. I think a lot of the people knocking him are over looking the fact that in 07' BJ Raji didn't play due to his grades and Brace put of almost identical numbers. On top of that Boston College ranked 2nd in the nation vs the run, allowing 75.5 yards per game vs the 91.21 yards per game this year.:hammer: This will probably be ignore.

[DaBoys4Life]

His only move is the bull rush...Yeah that's going to work at the next level.....:rolleyes:

[Manwiththeplan]

If he's there in Rd 3, I'd take him, let him develop as a back-up for a year, then start him at NT in 2010, move Ratliff to RDE and Igor to LDE. Re-sign Hatcher as a nickel/dime package inside pass rusher and let Spears walk (I'm actually higher on him than most, but like this line-up better).

[DaBoys4Life]

If he's there in Rd 3, I'd take him, let him develop as a back-up for a year, then start him at NT in 2010, move Ratliff to RDE and Igor to LDE. Re-sign Hatcher as a nickel/dime package inside pass rusher and let Spears walk (I'm actually higher on him than most, but like this line-up better).

I'd rather draft Gilbert let spears walk and keep Ratliff at NT.

[Manwiththeplan]

I'd rather draft Gilbert let spears walk and keep Ratliff at NT.

JMO, Jarron Gilbert won't make it to #51, let alone our 3rd round pick. Too athletic (and productive) and too many teams switching or currently running a 3-4.

[DaBoys4Life]

JMO, Jarron Gilbert won't make it to #51, let alone our 3rd round pick. Too athletic (and productive) and too many teams switching or currently running a 3-4.

I don't mind us taking him in the 2nd round if he's there in the 3rd and we draft him thats even better. I just picked him there in the 3rd because of his rank on nfldraftscout.

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't mind us taking him in the 2nd round if he's there in the 3rd and we draft him thats even better. I just picked him there in the 3rd because of his rank on nfldraftscout.

I think he has a better chance of going in rd 1 then being there for our 2nd.

[5mics]

It's not a unanimous decision that he is a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I can provide multiple sources that have him as a 5th or 6th rounder as well.

Also, how do you know he is being touted as a 2nd or 3rd round pick if your still waiting on the final evals from NFL scouts.
Like most, hearing it from the likes of Mayock, McShay, Kiper, various draft sites, etc.

[Bob Sacamano]

Ron Brace

6'3, 326 pounds | Boston College | Defensive tackle

Strengths: Brace possesses the size of a two-gap plugger, but the quickness to of a one-gap tackle. He uses that size and quickness to stuff the run nicely. He has a powerful base and is hard to move around. Because of that, running backs have to adjust where they're going or run right into Brace. Strong against the double team. During the 2008 season, Brace would regularly take up two blockers so teammate B.J. Raji could burst into the backfield. Uses his power to collapse the interior of the pocket. Good agility, which allows him to slide down the line really well.

Weaknesses: Not especially productive. Had only 27 tackles as a senior, which is just over two a game. Really not a factor rushing the pass unless he can push a blocker back or gets an open lane. Some questions about his durability due to recurring back ailment in 2008. Pursuit and effort are lacking at times. Doesn't always fight hard to get through double teams. Inconsistent with his technique. Will get too upright at times negating his his strength.

Final word: Brace is a top run-stopping tackle who was often overshadowed by Raji. He may not be much of a pass rusher, but his ability against the run warrants such a high grade. A second-team All ACC member in 2008 and honorable mention in 2007. Has some versatility because he's a multi-technique tackle.

Round projection: 2



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Boston College DT Ron Brace Scouting Report
Height: 6-3, Weight: 334, 40 Yard Dash: 5.47

Strengths: Ideal NFL size and bulk...strong lower body, really an anchor versus the run...decent first step for a man his size...NFL ready run stuffer right now...can deliver the big hit when he gets in close...shows good awareness...has the ability to take on multiple defenders...could be a 3-4 NT...teamed with B.J. Raji to shut down opposing rushing offenses...

Weaknesses: Needs to work on his technique, can sometimes get too high...needs to improve his conditioning and motor...played next to the top defensive tackle in the draft so was never given the full attention of the offense...not a pass rushing threat...will struggle to pursue laterally...

Overall: Ron Brace may never put up big numbers in the NFL, but he is the type of player that can really anchor a top defense. His strength at the point of attack and massive size will be a huge asset and could lead to him being selected to play the nose in a 3-4 scheme. He also would be a solid player at the nose in a 4-3 scheme. He was productive at BC getting into the backfield (11 TFL as a senior) but there is some concern his value was inflated because of B.J. Raji. However, his potential and size are too hard to ignore and he represents a great value in the second round or later. Teams must convince themselves that his injury history wit his back, as well as his conditioning, are non factors.



fair enough, but the guy's 10-yard split is horrible, it's 1.88, compare that to Sammie Lee Hill's 1.72, or Dorell Scott's 1.68, or Chris Baker's 1.7, who's only 5lbs lighter

idk he's going to be able to keep up the attack when replacing Ratliff, which I want in his replacement

now if he were available in the 3rd, or 4th round (where the Cards picked Gabe Watson), I would have no problem drafting him, the value is there, not at our 1st pick though

[Dash28]

I like Brace but we should keep Rat at NT and a 2nd round pick is too high for a rest for Rat. We can fill that late in the draft.

[5mics]

His only move is the bull rush...Yeah that's going to work at the next level.....:rolleyes:
Lol...I'm not looking for Brace to be our pass-rusher; just to stack the middle, stop the run, and occupy blockers to free-up Ware, Rat, Spencer, James, etc. Those guys will be the pass-rushers...

[5mics]

I like Brace but we should keep Rat at NT and a 2nd round pick is too high for a rest for Rat. We can fill that late in the draft.

I would draft Brace to be the starter at NT, not to give Rat a rest. Rat slides to Spears spot and Igor occupies the other end. Spears backs-up both end spots and NT.

[Hostile]

He's not going to fall to the 3rd round and he's not going to start over Ratliff.

I doubt we'll take him. The 2nd round is probably OL, SS, or WR depending upon the value that is there.

[DaBoys4Life]

Lol...I'm not looking for Brace to be our pass-rusher; just to stack the middle, stop the run, and occupy blockers to free-up Ware, Rat, Spencer, James, etc. Those guys will be the pass-rushers...

This is a pass happy league and we have a 1 gap systems teams just don't run on first and 2nd downs then pass on thirds. He's virtually useless the idea or notion of this guy is ludicrous because the only role I seem him playing is short yardage/goal line and thats really pointless.

[Bob Sacamano]

He's not going to fall to the 3rd round and he's not going to start over Ratliff.

I doubt we'll take him. The 2nd round is probably OL, SS, or WR depending upon the value that is there.

idk, I can see him taking a slide on draft day

he wasn't impressive in college

or at the Senior Bowl (unless you consider chasing a busted play to be impressive)

or at the Combine (unbelievably lethargic)

combine all that w/ a potential back-problem, and I see him taking a Gabe Watson dip to the 4th round

I agree though that if he's a 2nd rounder, we probably don't take him anyways

[SDogo]

idk, I can see him taking a slide on draft day

he wasn't impressive in college

or at the Senior Bowl (unless you consider chasing a busted play to be impressive)

or at the Combine (unbelievably lethargic)

combine all that w/ a potential back-problem, and I see him taking a Gabe Watson dip to the 4th round

I agree though that if he's a 2nd rounder, we probably don't take him anyways

When you put it that way there is just so much to be excited about. I now see where it all comes from..........:D

[Goldenrichards83]

fair enough, but the guy's 10-yard split is horrible, it's 1.88, compare that to Sammie Lee Hill's 1.72, or Dorell Scott's 1.68, or Chris Baker's 1.7, who's only 5lbs lighter

idk he's going to be able to keep up the attack when replacing Ratliff, which I want in his replacement

now if he were available in the 3rd, or 4th round (where the Cards picked Gabe Watson), I would have no problem drafting him, the value is there, not at our 1st pick thoughTo be honest I think Miami takes him with one of their 2nd rders. I like him as our 2nd rder but if some of the premier safeties are on the board or if someone drops I can see us going the other way.

With any great defense the very first thing you must do is stop the run. This alone is worth taking him with our top pick because it allows our backers to make plays. Then once the opposing team is in long yardage, we let the dogs loose. Our rotation would be sick. He will never get the stats but what he will do is allow the defense to get the stats like #1 against the run and ultimately #1 overall.

[RS12]

I'd rather have Scott from Clemson.

[silverbear]

I'd rather have Scott from Clemson.

I'd rather have Chris Baker from Hampton...

[BAT]

I'd rather have Chris Baker from Hampton...

I'd rather have Hill from Stillman. Perfect Project Pick: Huge upside, High Character guy.


No more idiots or underachievers.

[5mics]

This is a pass happy league and we have a 1 gap systems teams just don't run on first and 2nd downs then pass on thirds. He's virtually useless the idea or notion of this guy is ludicrous because the only role I seem him playing is short yardage/goal line and thats really pointless.
Really? So the core value of stopping the run first and foremost is no longer true in the NFL? It may be a pass-happy league right now, BUT who are the successful teams; teams that make the playoffs? Let's look at this past season's playoff teams offense-wise...

1. Colts Run - ranked 31st; Pass - ranked 5th
2. Eagles Run - 22nd; Pass - 6th
3. Cardinals Run - 32nd; Pass - 2nd
4. Titans Run - 7th; Pass - 27th
5. Chargers Run - 20th; Pass - 7th
6. Dolphins Run - 11th; Pass - 10th
7. Steelers Run - 23rd; Pass -17th
8. Panthers Run - 3rd; Pass - 19th
9. Falcons Run - 2nd; Pass - 14th
10. Giants Run - 1st; Pass - 18th
11. Vikings Run - 5th; Pass - 25th
12. Ravens Run - 4th; Pass - 28th

Look at last season's playoff teams. 6 of the 12 playoff teams were ranked in the top ten rushing-wise; 5 of the 12 were ranked in the top ten passing-wise. It's even between the "run" teams & the "pass" teams; So please don't make it seems like stopping the run is NOT important; it's just as every bit as important as generating heat on the QB. You may not like Brace as a prospect but your idea of a run-stuffing NT who can control the middle being "useless" in today's NFL is just plain wrong, imo.

[5mics]

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:hammer: This will probably be ignore.
Yup, ignored! Didn't fit the agenda..... :)

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It's not a unanimous decision that he is a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I can provide multiple sources that have him as a 5th or 6th rounder as well.

Also, how do you know he is being touted as a 2nd or 3rd round pick if your still waiting on the final evals from NFL scouts.
Yup, you're right, it's not unanimous about Brace being a 2nd-3rd rounder; I don't think I ever stated that it was the case. Some have him rated lower, but that can be said with most prospects like Beckwith, who you currently have as a 2nd rounder. Some have him rated lower as well.....

[DaBoys4Life]

Really? So the core value of stopping the run first and foremost is no longer true in the NFL? It may be a pass-happy league right now, BUT who are the successful teams; teams that make the playoffs? Let's look at this past season's playoff teams offense-wise...

1. Colts Run - ranked 31st; Pass - ranked 5th
2. Eagles Run - 22nd; Pass - 6th
3. Cardinals Run - 32nd; Pass - 2nd
4. Titans Run - 7th; Pass - 27th
5. Chargers Run - 20th; Pass - 7th
6. Dolphins Run - 11th; Pass - 10th
7. Steelers Run - 23rd; Pass -17th
8. Panthers Run - 3rd; Pass - 19th
9. Falcons Run - 2nd; Pass - 14th
10. Giants Run - 1st; Pass - 18th
11. Vikings Run - 5th; Pass - 25th
12. Ravens Run - 4th; Pass - 28th

Look at last season's playoff teams. 6 of the 12 playoff teams were ranked in the top ten rushing-wise; 5 of the 12 were ranked in the top ten passing-wise. It's even between the "run" teams & the "pass" teams; So please don't make it seems like stopping the run is NOT important; it's just as every bit as important as generating heat on the QB. You may not like Brace as a prospect but your idea of a run-stuffing NT who can control the middle being "useless" in today's NFL is just plain wrong, imo.

I don't understand what your stats are trying to prove.

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I don't understand what your stats are trying to prove.

I'm just saying that successful teams (ones that make the playoffs) still employ the running game as their first option. So teams still need to stop the run first and foremost which is why I think we need a big, blocker-occupying, run-stuffing clogger in the middle of our D. I understand that the league is a pass-happy league but half the teams that made the playoffs utilize the running game as their main weapon.

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I would like for us to take Brace, but definately not in the 2nd. I think a lot of the people knocking him are over looking the fact that in 07' BJ Raji didn't play due to his grades and Brace put of almost identical numbers. On top of that Boston College ranked 2nd in the nation vs the run, allowing 75.5 yards per game vs the 91.21 yards per game this year.


Their numbers weren't even close.