If Andre Smith drops to 25, I'm trading next year's first

[newnationcb]

I will if I was GM. I don't care what people are saying about his body appearance, the kid has a top 10 skill set. Grooming him for a year in our program should be more than enough for him to start producing as one of the better LTs in the league in a year.

Flo affords us the crucial opportunity to be able to do this. If our team finishes where we expect them to for the next 3 to 4 years, then we will never be in a position to draft a LT with Smith's status. We likely will have to get Flo's replacement through free agency and pay major money for it.

You could also argue that there might not be a position on this team where we absolutely need to take a player in the 1st round. Especially if our young WRs pan out along with our policy on WRs.

Andre Smith has the feet of a 6'4 tackle but the arm lenghth (which is really all that matters for the height dimension) of a 6'8 tackle. He's gonna be a solid pro for years to come. He comes in with a remarkable colllege pedigree and will be dominanat in the pros.

I'm not an Alabama fan or anything of that sorts. And people saying this kid will fall out of the first round or being down on him based on his workout numbers, gimme a break! Because he did 2 fewer reps than guys like Oher means he won't make it in the NFL? Plus, there's no way he drops out of the 1st round; the league is too smart for that. Even dropping to 25 is a stretch from where I see it.

Now, if the team feels Free will be a solid pro some day (and I also believe this), then the move won't make sense. But if they don't then I see this as a beautiful opportunity to solidify the left side for the next 10 years

[kmp77]

I will if I was GM. I don't care what people are saying about his body appearance, the kid has a top 10 skill set. Grooming him for a year in our program should be more than enough for him to start producing as one of the better LTs in the league in a year.

Flo affords us the crucial opportunity to be able to do this. If our team finishes where we expect them to for the next 3 to 4 years, then we will never be in a position to draft a LT with Smith's status. We likely will have to get Flo's replacement through free agency and pay major money for it.

You could also argue that there might not be a position on this team where we absolutely need to take a player in the 1st round. Especially if our young WRs pan out along with our policy on WRs.

Andre Smith has the feet of a 6'4 tackle but the arm lenghth (which is really all that matters for the height dimension) of a 6'8 tackle. He's gonna be a solid pro for years to come. He comes in with a remarkable colllege pedigree and will be dominanat in the pros.

I'm not an Alabama fan or anything of that sorts. And people saying this kid will fall out of the first round or being down on him based on his workout numbers, gimme a break! Because he did 2 fewer reps than guys like Oter means he won't make it in the NFL? Plus, there's no way he drops out of the 2nd round. The league is too smart for that. Even dropping to 25 is a stretch from where I see it.

Now, if the team feels Free will be a solid pro some day (and I also believe this), then the move won't make sense. But if they don't then I see this as a beautiful opportunity to solidify the left side for the next 10 years

He sounds like a lazy piece of crapola to me. We don't need players like that.

[lqmac1]

:mad: I will if I was GM. I don't care what people are saying about his body appearance, the kid has a top 10 skill set. Grooming him for a year in our program should be more than enough for him to start producing as one of the better LTs in the league in a year.

Flo affords us the crucial opportunity to be able to do this. If our team finishes where we expect them to for the next 3 to 4 years, then we will never be in a position to draft a LT with Smith's status. We likely will have to get Flo's replacement through free agency and pay major money for it.

You could also argue that there might not be a position on this team where we absolutely need to take a player in the 1st round. Especially if our young WRs pan out along with our policy on WRs.

Andre Smith has the feet of a 6'4 tackle but the arm lenghth (which is really all that matters for the height dimension) of a 6'8 tackle. He's gonna be a solid pro for years to come. He comes in with a remarkable colllege pedigree and will be dominanat in the pros.

I'm not an Alabama fan or anything of that sorts. And people saying this kid will fall out of the first round or being down on him based on his workout numbers, gimme a break! Because he did 2 fewer reps than guys like Oher means he won't make it in the NFL? Plus, there's no way he drops out of the 1st round; the league is too smart for that. Even dropping to 25 is a stretch from where I see it.

Now, if the team feels Free will be a solid pro some day (and I also believe this), then the move won't make sense. But if they don't then I see this as a beautiful opportunity to solidify the left side for the next 10 years


well i'm glad your not a gm

[Dallas]

:mad:


well i'm glad your not a gm


I can say the same for you. Glad you aren't our GM.


The guy shows up to the biggest day of his life completely out of shape and blows the entire opportunity.

Yeah - let's trade our future for that guy. :rolleyes:

[newnationcb]

We don't need players like elite LT prospects:confused:

[dadymat]

I really dont think we need another player with motivation issues..

[RS12]

sorry pundits still say top ten, and no worse than 16 to SD.

[28 Joker]

People are going to think I"m crazy, but Phil Loadholt is the LT and player, yes LT, Dallas would try to move up for in round 2. He's down to 332. and he has worked his way into a second round lock. He has worked out extremely well. His technique has improved, and he's quicker. It was noted at his Pro Day. Some teams may see only RT, but I bet several teams see Marcus McNeil, a player Dallas passed on for Anthony Fasano.

He's an unfinished product, and Dallas likes big, powerful tackles. Remember, he only played 2 years at Oklahoma, and he played at 345, I think.

[newnationcb]

People are going to think I"m crazy, but Phil Loadholt is the LT and player, yes LT, Dallas would try to move up for in round 2. He's down to 332. and he has worked his way into a second round lock. He has worked out extremely well. His technique has improved, and he's quicker. It was noted at his Pro Day. Some teams may see only RT, but I bet several teams see Marcus McNeil, a player Dallas passed on for Anthony Fasano.

He's an unfinished product, and Dallas likes big, powerful tackles. Remember, he only played 2 years at Oklahoma, and he played at 345, I think.


Hey, I'm actually pretty high on Loadholt as well and think he's gonna be a LT in this league also. However, if given the chance of giving up a 1st for Andre Smith (along with a pick less than a 2nd) or getting Loadholt with the 2nd, I'm rolling with the fat ***:cool:

[TheCount]

Good luck with your Madden team then.

[Zaxor]

People are going to think I"m crazy, but Phil Loadholt is the LT and player, yes LT, Dallas would try to move up for in round 2. He's down to 332. and he has worked his way into a second round lock. He has worked out extremely well. His technique has improved, and he's quicker. It was noted at his Pro Day. Some teams may see only RT, but I bet several teams see Marcus McNeil, a player Dallas passed on for Anthony Fasano.

He's an unfinished product, and Dallas likes big, powerful tackles. Remember, he only played 2 years at Oklahoma, and he played at 345, I think.

I wouldn't go as far as to say you are crazy or that you are not entitled to your opinion... but from everything I have seen Loadholt doesn't have the build (his butt is up by his shoulders) or the feet to play either tackle position in the NFL

[ThreeSportStar80]

Ummm NO! The beauty of the draft is that you can find diamonds in the rough like the Larry Allens of the world... (Future Hall of Famer)

[big dog cowboy]

If Andre Smith drops to 25, I'm trading next year's first
I'm against trading away a future first round pick on such a questionable athlete.

Talk about a high risk move.

[dbair1967]

I will if I was GM. I don't care what people are saying about his body appearance, the kid has a top 10 skill set. Grooming him for a year in our program should be more than enough for him to start producing as one of the better LTs in the league in a year.



If LT were a gaping hole and was the only thing keeping us from taking the next step, you make a move like this.

That isnt the case with this team.

Further, it would probably coast us more than just our 2 this yr and 1 next yr to get back into the 20's.

[AKATheRake]

Ummm NO! The beauty of the draft is that you can find diamonds in the rough like the Larry Allens of the world... (Future Hall of Famer)

Ummm, not saying Larry Allen was a top 10 pick or anything but he was selected 46 overall in the 2nd round. That's not exactly the diamond in the rough territory for an offensive guard. Our current starting left tackle was selected at pick 38 overall in the 2nd round.

[Apollo Creed]

He won't make it quite that far, I've got him going in the mid-teens.

There is 3 years of SEC tape on him. Any other conference and I'm concerned, but I know there are some tackle-hungry teams that won't let him slide past them in the middle of the first.

He is just an idiot that wasn't properly advised. He costed himself millions of dollars, so hopefully he understands that he needs to start taking this whole process seriosuly.

[burmafrd]

Only an idiot drafts another idiot in the first rd.

[speedkilz88]

I wouldn't go as far as to say you are crazy or that you are not entitled to your opinion... but from everything I have seen Loadholt doesn't have the build (his butt is up by his shoulders) or the feet to play either tackle position in the NFLThe big thing on Loadholt is he has extremely long arms which may cover up his deficiencies.

[the kid 05]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e390/KoRnKiD05/Picture5.png

its like watching a dirty version of baywatch...

[Texan_Eph89]

I'm liking the OG from LSU. Biggest baby in Louisiana.
Fits our OL perfectly. FIxing the LG spot is pretty important as well. I think Flo still has a couple more seasons.

[newnationcb]

Only an idiot drafts another idiot in the first rd.


Yep, they got them at the zone too :eek:

[Randy White]

I will if I was GM. I don't care what people are saying about his body appearance, the kid has a top 10 skill set.


NO, thank you.

[Randy White]

I wouldn't go as far as to say you are crazy or that you are not entitled to your opinion... but from everything I have seen Loadholt doesn't have the build (his butt is up by his shoulders) or the feet to play either tackle position in the NFL


That's not accurate. Loadholt is not quick enough to play LT, but he should become a heck of a RT in the league. It wouldn't surprise me if he becomes a Pro Bowl regular at RT after he becomes a starter.

As a LT he's like a fish out of water.

[JPM]

I'm liking the OG from LSU. Biggest baby in Louisiana.
Fits our OL perfectly. FIxing the LG spot is pretty important as well. I think Flo still has a couple more seasons.
Herman Johnson
http://www.speedburners.net/images/HermanJohnson.jpg

[the kid 05]

Herman Johnson
http://www.speedburners.net/images/HermanJohnson.jpg

is it just me or do i see a little bit of Allen in him?

[speedkilz88]

is it just me or do i see a little bit of Allen in him?I was thinking Nate.

[Biggems]

I will if I was GM. I don't care what people are saying about his body appearance, the kid has a top 10 skill set. Grooming him for a year in our program should be more than enough for him to start producing as one of the better LTs in the league in a year.

Flo affords us the crucial opportunity to be able to do this. If our team finishes where we expect them to for the next 3 to 4 years, then we will never be in a position to draft a LT with Smith's status. We likely will have to get Flo's replacement through free agency and pay major money for it.

You could also argue that there might not be a position on this team where we absolutely need to take a player in the 1st round. Especially if our young WRs pan out along with our policy on WRs.

Andre Smith has the feet of a 6'4 tackle but the arm lenghth (which is really all that matters for the height dimension) of a 6'8 tackle. He's gonna be a solid pro for years to come. He comes in with a remarkable colllege pedigree and will be dominanat in the pros.

I'm not an Alabama fan or anything of that sorts. And people saying this kid will fall out of the first round or being down on him based on his workout numbers, gimme a break! Because he did 2 fewer reps than guys like Oher means he won't make it in the NFL? Plus, there's no way he drops out of the 1st round; the league is too smart for that. Even dropping to 25 is a stretch from where I see it.

Now, if the team feels Free will be a solid pro some day (and I also believe this), then the move won't make sense. But if they don't then I see this as a beautiful opportunity to solidify the left side for the next 10 years

so you trade a valuable pick for a guy who is falling because of questionable character, work ethic, and athletic ability?

do you work for the Redskins?

[the kid 05]

I was thinking Nate.

heads its allen

tales its nate


(im actually flipping a quarter btw as soon as i find one)

edit: found one and it was heads, ha i win :P

[Biggems]

heads its allen

tales its nate


(im actually flipping a quarter btw as soon as i find one)

edit: found one and it was heads, ha i win :P

of course you won......using a double headed coin is cheating. is your name Belichick?

[the kid 05]

of course you won......using a double headed coin is cheating. is your name Belichick?

no harvey dent ;)

[newnationcb]

so you trade a valuable pick for a guy who is falling because of questionable character, work ethic, and athletic ability?

do you work for the Redskins?

Embellish much?

How else are you gonna get a LT with a top 5 skill set? I don't know what you think but I believe we'll be picking in the low 20s next year. Do you see us getting an elite prospect at that position with that pick? With one year of grooming in the league already?

[Biggems]

Embellish much?

How else are you gonna get a LT with a top 5 skill set? I don't know what you think but I believe we'll be picking in the low 20s next year. Do you see us getting an elite prospect at that position with that pick? With one year of grooming in the league already?

I am not embellishing.

I believe we can get our QB of the future, Colt McCoy, at that pick. Also, we can even trade out of the first and add additional picks, if that is what we want to do. Keeping that first gives us much greater versatility, than just giving it away for a lazy, overhyped prospect. Because of language parameters, I cannot fully express my true feeling on Smith as a prospect. Let's just say I hold him in a very negative light. I'd rather have that waste of space Phil Loadholt over Smith.

[newnationcb]

I am not embellishing.

I believe we can get our QB of the future, Colt McCoy, at that pick. Also, we can even trade out of the first and add additional picks, if that is what we want to do. Keeping that first gives us much greater versatility, than just giving it away for a lazy, overhyped prospect. Because of language parameters, I cannot fully express my true feeling on Smith as a prospect. Let's just say I hold him in a very negative light. I'd rather have that waste of space Phil Loadholt over Smith.


Well, maybe you don't hold Romo in as high regard as I do. I believe he's gonna give us some top level performance for next 8 years. Taking Mccoy-if he's available at that pick-will be the dumbest move this franchise has made. You don't take a developmental player/backup with that high of a pick.

I believe Loadholt can play, but what's the point in taking him if you believe he's a wast of space. We'll just have another Rogers/Marten/Mcquistan on our roster who will be cut in a year or two. I don't know if that makes much sense.

If Smith is availabe at 25 then I don't know how overhyped you can truly call him. This whole thread is a pipe dream anyways because most reports and know-whats in the business still have him going in the top 15. Regardless of workout numbers, he showed scouts what they expected in the workout drills. And that was elite quckness, footwork, burst etc. So I don't know where you got the athletic ability questions from, excpet bench pressing with bad form (the bar even popping out of his hands like he was doing plyometric bench presses) is a measure of that. His forty was actually on par with what you should expect for his size and position.

If anything, the kid is being overanalyzed because of previous concerns. You prolly have your personal prejudices against him but I don't see how anyone could deny he's an elite prospect at that crucial position.

[JVita17]

I'm against trading away a future first round pick on such a questionable athlete.

Talk about a high risk move.

I bet you were against picking Moss also werent you? We see how that panned out.

[Biggems]

Well, maybe you don't hold Romo in as high regard as I do. I believe he's gonna give us some top level performance for next 8 years. Taking Mccoy-if he's available at that pick-will be the dumbest move this franchise has made. You don't take a developmental player/backup with that high of a pick.

I believe Loadholt can play, but what's the point in taking him if you believe he's a wast of space. We'll just have another Rogers/Marten/Mcquistan on our roster who will be cut in a year or two. I don't know if that makes much sense.

If Smith is availabe at 25 then I don't know how overhyped you can truly call him. This whole thread is a pipe dream anyways because most reports and know-whats in the business still have him going in the top 15. Regardless of workout numbers, he showed scouts what they expected in the workout drills. And that was elite quckness, footwork, burst etc. So I don't know where you got the athletic ability questions from, excpet bench pressing with bad form (the bar even popping out of his hands like he was doing plyometric bench presses) is a measure of that. His forty was actually on par with what you should expect for his size and position.

If anything, the kid is being overanalyzed because of previous concerns. You prolly have your personal prejudices against him but I don't see how anyone could deny he's an elite prospect at that crucial position.

you mean the way GB did with Rodgers or Philly did with Kolb (early 2nd)?

Romo sat for 3-4 years. He has started almost 3 years now. I say he has a good 5 years in him before he starts to seriously decline, based on his style of play. That means Colt sits for 4 years. By then, he knows the system inside and out and is ready to step right in and take over.

So taking Colt with our first rounder would be dumber than trading 2 firsts for Galloway? Allowing Emmitt to walk so Hambrick could flame out as our starter? Drafting Ellis instead of Moss? Drafting all those jokers in the late 90s....Carver, Ekuban, Zellner, LaFleur, etc. Or maybe it was getting PacMan Jones. Maybe it was letting Jimmy Johnson walk away after winning back to back SBs......There are so many things this franchise has done that can be considered far worse than drafting Colt McCoy in the first next season.

as far as personal prejudices go? after the Longhorns.......Bama and Georgia are my favorite college football teams. Smith had a good season last year, but he is still overhyped. He was able to dominate cause of his physical stature. He just doesn't act professional. He doesnt seem to take the whole process seriously.

and you say I embellish?

[silverbear]

I bet you were against picking Moss also werent you? We see how that panned out.

You drag race into EVERYTHING, don't you??

People aren't doggin' on Andre because of his skin color, they're doggin' on him because of all the flab he's packin' under that skin... the lad's packin' around a D cup...

And I seem to recall lots of folks havin' fun with Bill Parcells' manboobs, and IIRC he was pretty white... so again, skin color has nothing to do with this...

[Biggems]

You drag race into EVERYTHING, don't you??

People aren't doggin' on Andre because of his skin color, they're doggin' on him because of all the flab he's packin' under that skin... the lad's packin' around a D cup...

And I seem to recall lots of folks havin' fun with Bill Parcells' manboobs, and IIRC he was pretty white... so again, skin color has nothing to do with this...

isn't Ellis a black man? so even though we passed on Moss, we still drafted a brotha.

[Cousin Oliver]

Just what we need, another lazy LT.

You can find olinemen outside of the 1st round (yes even LT, Flo wasn't drafted in the first round).

[Bleu Star]

He sounds like a lazy piece of crapola to me. We don't need players like that.

This is the take I have on him too. He's a natural talent that just doesn't seem to want to put in the work to make himself a star for years to come. Left Tackles in the NFL can't be lazy and keep their QBs healthy on a consistent basis.

[Double Trouble]

Flo is at the end of the line. I'm not advocating Smith, but Dallas needs to find someone to get ready to replace him as soon as they can. Waiting until Flo can't even waddle out there anymore is how Jerry Jones has done business for years.

[JPM]

is it just me or do i see a little bit of Allen in him?

I was thinking Nate.
He's got a bit if Allen's nasty 'tude, but he's close to the same size as Davis.

[Texan_Eph89]

Herman Johnson
http://www.speedburners.net/images/HermanJohnson.jpg
He fits the OLine mentality here. The bigger the better. Plug him in at LG and our inside is as immovable as it can get.

Herman Gurode BIGG, good luck getting past that. Besides all the good LT will be gone before we pick.

[jobberone]

Although I'm a BPA at a need position person you're always looking for a LT, pass rusher, yada. But you can't keep trading away #1s. I can easily see us trading up in the second round as we have enough picks to do so. But I see this being a conservative draft with minor moves. I like your idea but we are just too far away from that position to trade up IMO.

[Apollo Creed]

He fits the OLine mentality here. The bigger the better. Plug him in at LG and our inside is as immovable as it can get.

Herman Gurode BIGG, good luck getting past that. Besides all the good LT will be gone before we pick.

Jamon Meredith might be there. I want a young T that can always slide over and play guard in a pinch - so we don't have to go through the Proctor experiment again.

[Texan_Eph89]

Jamon Meredith might be there. I want a young T that can always slide over and play guard in a pinch - so we don't have to go through the Proctor experiment again.

I'm not talking about a T at all.
Herman is a guard.
I think we can go one more year with Flo, so might as well fix our LG problem with him. He's huge! Having BIGG and him at G would be awesome.

[jobberone]

Jamon Meredith might be there. I want a young T that can always slide over and play guard in a pinch - so we don't have to go through the Proctor experiment again.

I'm not high on Meredith but I could easily be wrong as it seems many are. He's a good risk for most where we're picking I guess.

IMO, we will go after the BPA at any position there. Witten fell into the third so I guess any position could fall to us. I'm hoping for a big NT, cover LB, OL, or DB there though.

[Bleu Star]

I'm not high on Meredith but I could easily be wrong as it seems many are. He's a good risk for most where we're picking I guess.

IMO, we will go after the BPA at any position there. Witten fell into the third so I guess any position could fall to us. I'm hoping for a big NT, cover LB, OL, or DB there though.

It's so amazing to know we got Witten in the 3rd round. Highway robbery. :D

[jobberone]

It's so amazing to know we got Witten in the 3rd round. Highway robbery. :D

That pick is right up there with the Staubach and Walker picks IMO. Not quite the steal they were but still....

[Apollo Creed]

I'm not high on Meredith but I could easily be wrong as it seems many are. He's a good risk for most where we're picking I guess.

IMO, we will go after the BPA at any position there. Witten fell into the third so I guess any position could fall to us. I'm hoping for a big NT, cover LB, OL, or DB there though.

NT is a must, but I don't want to reach - and I'm worried Jerry might. I'm also pretty sure Jerry is going to take a WR high, possibly even in the first round. I'm not opposed to the move, I just hope he is a shifty burner that can compliment our long striders.

What do you think about SS or even FS, we need to upgrade that position.

Ratliff in the 7th might be one of our best draft day steals since the Landry era.

[jobberone]

NT is a must, but I don't want to reach - and I'm worried Jerry might. I'm also pretty sure Jerry is going to take a WR high, possibly even in the first round. I'm not opposed to the move, I just hope he is a shifty burner that can compliment our long striders.

What do you think about SS or even FS, we need to upgrade that position.

Ratliff in the 7th might be one of our best draft day steals since the Landry era.

I have a big NT as our priority must need.

The Sensabaugh signing makes S less a must but I think we will look for one in the draft as you do. A lot depends on how the staff feels about Brown, Watkins and the others. Even though we need a cover safety badly we also need one who can tackle as well. I'm not a big Hamlin fan either. I think that position is wide open on this team.

And you're right. Ratliff was a steal at that position. However, most knew Staubach, Walker and less so Witten would be at least very good players in this league. Ratliff came out of no where IMO.