Russia announces rearmament plan

[JBond]

Russia announces rearmament plan



Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said Moscow will begin a comprehensive military rearmament from 2011.

Mr Medvedev said the primary task would be to "increase the combat readiness of [Russia's] forces, first of all our strategic nuclear forces".

Explaining the move, he cited concerns over Nato expansion near Russia's borders and regional conflicts.

Last year, the Kremlin set out plans to increase spending on Russia's armed forces over the next two years.

Russia will spend nearly $140bn (£94.5bn) on buying arms up until 2011.

Higher oil revenues in recent years have allowed the Kremlin to increase the military budget, analysts say. But prices have averaged $40 a barrel in 2009 compared with $100 last year.

Outdated equipment

In his first address to a defence ministry meeting in his capacity as supreme commander, Mr Medvedev said considerable sums are being channelled towards developing and purchasing modern military equipment.

"Despite the financial problems we have to cope with today, the size of these sums has remained virtually the same as planned."

Analysts say the brief war in Georgia exposed problems with outdated equipment and practices within Russia's armed forces and led to calls for military modernisation.

President Medvedev's remarks also appear significant for what they say about the diplomatic game between Moscow and the new administration in the United States, says the BBC's James Rodgers in Moscow.

Both sides are looking for a solution to issues - such as US missile defence plans in Europe - which bitterly divided the Kremlin and the White House during the Bush administration. Neither, though, seems willing simply to abandon previously-held positions, our correspondent adds.

The Russian Security Council is currently developing a new military doctrine which is expected to reflect current and forthcoming international developments, including any changes Nato may set out this year, missile defence deployments and WMD proliferation.

"The Security Council will approve Russia's national security strategy until 2020 in the near future," President Medvedev said.

Watch Tim Whewell's films on the Russian military on Newsnight on Tuesday 17 March and Wednesday 18 March, 2009 at 2230 on BBC Two.

[ABQCOWBOY]

:lmao2:

Where's Big Willie when you need him?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Tom Clancy books should be more interesting now.

[Jordan55]

Where in the hell did that AIG money go? Don't worry, I'm not concerned we can sit down and ask them please!!!! don't do this, we told you, we were canning our missle defense system. Democrats and strong defense go hand in hand. Hey Biden, do you think the Messiah is being tested?

[SkinsFan28]

Looks like Hillary hit the wrong RESET button when she was over there!

[BrAinPaiNt]

Looks like Hillary hit the wrong RESET button when she was over there!

Yeah...it actually translated to overcharge. Ironic. :laugh1:

[Jon88]

Why did they get mad at Bush's missile defense plans in Europe? Were they mad it might shoot down one of their missiles?

[burmafrd]

Because they want to be the big dog in that backyard.

With Oil prices so far down their ambitious plans are pretty much in the toilet.

[sbark]

makes one wonder how the "President in training" will react......I wonder what the Teleprompter will tell him to say?

my guess is Russia is actually 3 years into the program....

......every time Obama says "uh"......another russian nuke is made

http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2009-03/hillary-knob.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

makes one wonder how the "President in training" will react......I wonder what the Teleprompter will tell him to say?

my guess is Russia is actually 3 years into the program....

......every time Obama says "uh"......another russian nuke is made

http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2009-03/hillary-knob.jpg

So they are three years into the program with your guess...wouldn't that mean you would have to blame W for 3 years of this problem...I mean in your scenario of course.

This stuff just writes itself.:laugh1:

[ThaBigP]

makes one wonder how the "President in training" will react......I wonder what the Teleprompter will tell him to say?

my guess is Russia is actually 3 years into the program....

......every time Obama says "uh"......another russian nuke is made

http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2009-03/hillary-knob.jpg

...and at the same time, another piece of our arsenal is mothballed...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/03/17/gates_readies_big_cuts_in_weapons/

Sounds like perfect timing to me. I'm sure it's all just a coincidence, though.

Oh, and I'm sure it's just another coincidence that the Kremlin is preparing to do a full-court press on a one-world currency.

[sbark]

So they are three years into the program with your guess...wouldn't that mean you would have to blame W for 3 years of this problem...I mean in your scenario of course.

This stuff just writes itself.:laugh1:

coincides with high oil prices to finance the military buildup......which coincides with Democrat energy policy in the USA.....

your right.......this stuff just writes itself..........The Law of Unintended consequenses........

[BrAinPaiNt]

coincides with high oil prices to finance the military buildup......which coincides with Democrat energy policy in the USA.....

your right.......this stuff just writes itself..........The Law of Unintended consequenses........

You mean the MASSIVE rise in Gas prices during W's leadership due to having wars in two middle eastern countries which also happens to border another middle eastern country with two of those countries being oil producers?


The old drill baby drill crapola instead of actually addressing a problem we have since the 70's of finding alternative energies and if we would have taken that serious instead of still letting oil companies have a major part of the government over the years...maybe we would not be in the middle east now, or back then and we would not have terrorists attacking us. Maybe we would not have thousands of american lives lost in america or on middle eastern soil.

Hmmm...yet I bet some still think Ron Paul is a loon for talking blow back.


Yes...it does write itself.


But keep on acting like W and his group had nothing to do with any of it.

[burmafrd]

yeah brain and all the anti drill idiots that have us in with the current lack of supply that has prices only low due to lack of demand. BILLIONS have been poured into alternative energy for 30+ years and return has been pretty meager. More and more talk about it and nothing comes of it.
Where was cold fusion? Where is solar energy? where are all the rest of the pie in the sky ideas that first surfaced in the early 70's?
In europe and japan and elsewhere they have been trying steadily since then to come up with something to replace oil. Where is it?
Meanwhile the moronic greenies keep us from getting oil in enough qty to keep the prices from destroying the third world nations who are ALWAYS the worst sufferer's of any oil crunch. Interesting that the greenies do not seem to care about that.....

Bush wanted to drill for more oil and if he had gotten his way we would be in better shape- but of course you do not want to admit THAT....

[ThaBigP]

Everybody seems to forget that compounding the high oil prices was the fact that our refining capacity was stretched to the max. We haven't been able to build a new one in over 30 years. It got so bad we were importing refined product there for a while. It certainly didn't help that while running near 100% capacity we had a couple of hurricanes knock quite of bit of it offline. Or that we are required to have dozens of boutique blends of gasoline, courtesy of the enviro-nazis. So supply pressure in one area cannot legally be relieved by diverting supply from another.

[burmafrd]

Yep and Bush wanted to build some new ones on abandoned military bases and of course teh dems shot that one down as welll.....

[ChldsPlay]

makes one wonder how the "President in training" will react......I wonder what the Teleprompter will tell him to say?

my guess is Russia is actually 3 years into the program....

......every time Obama says "uh"......another russian nuke is made

http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2009-03/hillary-knob.jpg


Someone has been listening to Rush. I actually caught a little bit of him yesterday on the way to the Dr.

[BigWillie]

:lmao2:

Where's Big Willie when you need him?

Hey darlin'

:wink2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hey darlin'

:wink2:


Hey Willie,

You were saying?

[BigWillie]

Hey Willie,

You were saying?

You make my head go, "owie".

[ABQCOWBOY]

You make my head go, "owie".


Not what I expected but answer enough.

Thank you.

[BigWillie]

Not what I expected but answer enough.

Thank you.

Awww, come on ABQ. You mean you aren't being a parody poster and being completely serious?

If so ...

:laugh1:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Awww, come on ABQ. You mean you aren't being a parody poster and being completely serious?

If so ...

:laugh1:

I generally don't put that level of effort into anything that is not worthy of the time.

It's kind of a rule I try to live by.

[BigWillie]

I generally don't put that level of effort into anything that is not worthy of the time.

It's kind of a rule I try to live by.

So you wanted an honest answer? Let's try just for kicks although you have to be pure parody. I refuse to believe you actually think on this level.

So what about the war in South Ossetia when Russia flexed it's muscle to the world by attacking an ally of the USA who we vowed to protect? Did Bush fold under the circumstances by allowing Russia to do this? But I thought Bush protected us and our interests?

The only thing certain about Russia is one thing -- they don't give a damm. Putin is a deranged Soviet era-KGB agent that would careless if Chuck Norris and George Patton were in office. For near a decade Putin has been hell bent on establishing old Soviet Union style rule on the country again. It was this way when Clinton was in office, when Bush was in office and now that Obama is in office.

Putin's military will didn't pop up over night just as Obama was in office, as much as you would love to believe.

If you honestly believe this would have been different with Obama, McCain, Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower or whomever, you are kidding yourself. Regardless of who was President and how tough their stance was towards Russia or how strong they built our own military to be.

The only thing this shows is that Repubs are taking every pebble they can to act as if it were a stone to throw at this administration. But I guess you still want people to believe you actually want Obama to succeed or will give him credit when it is due, right? :rolleyes:

[ABQCOWBOY]

So you wanted an honest answer? Let's try just for kicks although you have to be pure parody. I refuse to believe you actually think on this level.

So what about the war in South Ossetia when Russia flexed it's muscle to the world by attacking an ally of the USA who we vowed to protect? Did Bush fold under the circumstances by allowing Russia to do this? But I thought Bush protected us and our interests?

The only thing certain about Russia is one thing -- they don't give a damm. Putin is a deranged Soviet era-KGB agent that would careless if Chuck Norris and George Patton were in office. For near a decade Putin has been hell bent on establishing old Soviet Union style rule on the country again. It was this way when Clinton was in office, when Bush was in office and now that Obama is in office.

Putin's military will didn't pop up over night just as Obama was in office, as much as you would love to believe.

If you honestly believe this would have been different with Obama, McCain, Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower or whomever, you are kidding yourself. Regardless of who was President and how tough their stance was towards Russia or how strong they built our own military to be.

The only thing this shows is that Repubs are taking every pebble they can to act as if it were a stone to throw at this administration. But I guess you still want people to believe you actually want Obama to succeed or will give him credit when it is due, right? :rolleyes:


South Ossetia declared independance from Georgia in 1991. I am aware of no treaty or formal agreement between South Ossetia, Georgia or the U.S. that dictates protection through alliance or any other agreement. I don't condon it but it is not our business either.

I am aware of Putin's backround, both in the KGB (East Germany) and his family ties back to Stalin. Putin is of the old East Block but so are many in the Russian Government. The fact of the matter is that Russia has not been in a position to force political doctrin since they lost the cold war. It is only the position our Government is currently taking that allows Russia to do so now. We have worsened our own financial situation with the recent moves adopted by our Government and Russia realizes this. We have created a significant drain on our own financial support structure and it is clear that in order to support these ridiculous Government Sponsered Walfare programs, something has to go. This administration has already shown that what will go is at the expense of the Military. We are asking for Governments like Russia to make moves against us. We are showing ourselves to be weak. It is inevitable that outside intervention in American interests will follow.

I am more convinced then ever that President Obama is leading this country in the wrong direction. No, I have no interest in seeing his political objectives succeed. None what so ever. Of course, I can admit this because I don't have the additional burden of having voted for him. I wonder, can you, in all honesty, say that this Administration is failing the American people? I suspect not. You don't see it that way but I do and I am not alone.

[Dallas]

South Ossetia declared independance from Georgia in 1991. I am aware of no treaty or formal agreement between South Ossetia, Georgia or the U.S. that dictates protection through alliance or any other agreement. I don't condon it but it is not our business either.

I am aware of Putin's backround, both in the KGB (East Germany) and his family ties back to Stalin. Putin is of the old East Block but so are many in the Russian Government. The fact of the matter is that Russia has not been in a position to force political doctrin since they lost the cold war. It is only the position our Government is currently taking that allows Russia to do so now. We have worsened our own financial situation with the recent moves adopted by our Government and Russia realizes this. We have created a significant drain on our own financial support structure and it is clear that in order to support these ridiculous Government Sponsered Walfare programs, something has to go. This administration has already shown that what will go is at the expense of the Military. We are asking for Governments like Russia to make moves against us. We are showing ourselves to be weak. It is inevitable that outside intervention in American interests will follow.

I am more convinced then ever that President Obama is leading this country in the wrong direction. No, I have no interest in seeing his political objectives succeed. None what so ever. Of course, I can admit this because I don't have the additional burden of having voted for him. I wonder, can you, in all honesty, say that this Administration is failing the American people? I suspect not. You don't see it that way but I do and I am not alone.


:hammer-nail-emoticon-thingy-picture: :bow:

[mmillman]

Really, where was your outrage when N. Korea went nuclear on "W's" watch?

I thought Bush could see into Putins soul?

[Cajuncowboy]

Great. Yippie Yay!

Let's cut our military and make it easier!

:bang2:

[BigWillie]

South Ossetia declared independance from Georgia in 1991. I am aware of no treaty or formal agreement between South Ossetia, Georgia or the U.S. that dictates protection through alliance or any other agreement. I don't condon it but it is not our business either.

I am aware of Putin's backround, both in the KGB (East Germany) and his family ties back to Stalin. Putin is of the old East Block but so are many in the Russian Government. The fact of the matter is that Russia has not been in a position to force political doctrin since they lost the cold war. It is only the position our Government is currently taking that allows Russia to do so now. We have worsened our own financial situation with the recent moves adopted by our Government and Russia realizes this. We have created a significant drain on our own financial support structure and it is clear that in order to support these ridiculous Government Sponsered Walfare programs, something has to go. This administration has already shown that what will go is at the expense of the Military. We are asking for Governments like Russia to make moves against us. We are showing ourselves to be weak. It is inevitable that outside intervention in American interests will follow.

I am more convinced then ever that President Obama is leading this country in the wrong direction. No, I have no interest in seeing his political objectives succeed. None what so ever. Of course, I can admit this because I don't have the additional burden of having voted for him. I wonder, can you, in all honesty, say that this Administration is failing the American people? I suspect not. You don't see it that way but I do and I am not alone.

South Ossetia declared independence, but it is not recognized by most countries.

Georgia has been an ally of the United States for near a decade now. We have funded the greater part of their military. Heck, their own soldiers wear mostly US camo that is outdated. Most of their armed forces are also US trained.

Iraq attempted to flex it's muscle against Kuwait in a disputed piece of land and we, as well as the rest of the world, acted swiftly to take care of the problem. With Georgia, we turned a blind eye as Russia marched it's troops throughout each town, thoroughly pummeling our ally.

And again, do you blame Bush for this? Putin did not begin these actions in the last few months or even the last few years. Most of Putin's "accomplishments" with his country occurred under the watch of your golden child. Is he to blame for the problems we now face with Russia or did these problems only occur in the last 3 months?

You see, that is the thing that makes me laugh. You are so quick to criticize Obama, but yet lay no blame elsewhere when this problem did not pop up over night.

For the most part, I agree with you. The handling of Russia will likely be one of Obama's greatest pieces to his presidency or could be one of his greatest downfalls. Yes, even more than the economy. But to so quickly judge him as if he created the problem and no one else is to blame is just silly. Especially when you defend Dubya for "keeping us safe".

[MetalHead]

Really, where was your outrage when N. Korea went nuclear on "W's" watch?

I thought Bush could see into Putins soul?

North Korea=not a world power,not even close.Ruled by a midget.

Are you familiar with the Cold War?
Have you heard that famous quote by President Reagan,"Mr. Gorvachev,tear down that wall"?
Are you aware of communism?


I guess not.

[ABQCOWBOY]

South Ossetia declared independence, but it is not recognized by most countries.

Georgia has been an ally of the United States for near a decade now. We have funded the greater part of their military. Heck, their own soldiers wear mostly US camo that is outdated. Most of their armed forces are also US trained.

Iraq attempted to flex it's muscle against Kuwait in a disputed piece of land and we, as well as the rest of the world, acted swiftly to take care of the problem. With Georgia, we turned a blind eye as Russia marched it's troops throughout each town, thoroughly pummeling our ally.

And again, do you blame Bush for this? Putin did not begin these actions in the last few months or even the last few years. Most of Putin's "accomplishments" with his country occurred under the watch of your golden child. Is he to blame for the problems we now face with Russia or did these problems only occur in the last 3 months?

You see, that is the thing that makes me laugh. You are so quick to criticize Obama, but yet lay no blame elsewhere when this problem did not pop up over night.

For the most part, I agree with you. The handling of Russia will likely be one of Obama's greatest pieces to his presidency or could be one of his greatest downfalls. Yes, even more than the economy. But to so quickly judge him as if he created the problem and no one else is to blame is just silly. Especially when you defend Dubya for "keeping us safe".


First I will say this. My Golden Child posts on this board and he's a good kid.

As for Bush, he is not my Golden Child. He is the former President of the United States. Georgia and Ossetia is an internal matter. I am sympathetic to Georgia's problems but we have no authority to interceed. If Alberta Canada decided to suceed from Canada, I would be sympathetic but I would not welcome Russia to come in and invade Canada in an attempt to to bring them back in to Canadian control.

Putin has not created trouble over the past 8 years for the US. Russia has not had the ability and I believe that Putin new Bush would fight if pushed. There is nothing to blame Bush for with regards to this IMO.

You can't look at issues In Kuwait the same way you do in Georgia or Ossetia. We do not have a treaty with them that says we will commit troops in their defense and, they are not vital to the interests of the U.S. Kuwait is a different story.

People will blame Bush regardless but when you get right down to it, Bush and his Administration is over. It is now President Obama and all that happens from here forward belongs to his administration. Right or wrong, that's how it is.

His initial decisions and foreign policy decissions have not been very good where Russia is concerned. The truth of the matter, at least to this point and in my opinion is that President Obama is forcing cuts in the Military due to policy decisions here at home and he has not shown that he is willing to bleed in order to keep American foreign policy decisions whole. Russia will force him to either bloody their nose or back down. That's how they are. That's how they have always been.

[jrumann59]

What alternatives, biodiesel takes more energy to make it, wind power every other state would have be full of wind turbines to power the state next to it, solar is a little better a state the size of VA full of Solar panels could power DC, MD, DE, and Most of PA, tidal only works on the coasts. Drill Baby Drill crowd realized there needs better alternatives but something is better than nothing. Liberals have this time table thing in their head where they believe if it says 10 years then by golly in ten years on the nose all the alternatives will be in full swing and we can fuel our cars with old beer and egg shells.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Liberals have this time table thing in their head where they believe if it says 10 years then by golly in ten years on the nose all the alternatives will be in full swing and we can fuel our cars with old beer and egg shells.


Augh.......... If you got Beer getting old round your place, then we really do have a problem.

:D

[jrumann59]

Really, where was your outrage when N. Korea went nuclear on "W's" watch?

I thought Bush could see into Putins soul?

Bush did t the way many dems in the congress wanted it done. If he would had his druthers he would have bombed them night and day for 40 straight days. And then would have shipped the Gitmo detainees over and declared a juhad.

[trickblue]

Really, where was your outrage when N. Korea went nuclear on "W's" watch?

I thought Bush could see into Putins soul?

I was outraged when they were GIVEN nuclear technology...

btw... their program came into being under Clinton's watch...

[burmafrd]

Hey millman you libs were the ones screaming at bush to take a soft line with NK so you got nothing to say about it.
It was your boy Slick Willie and maddy dumbbright that got taken for a ride in that treaty in the 90's. Do a little research before you post next time.

[burmafrd]

Not TOO worried about Russia re arming because of the state of their oil industry which they have starved of investment= they are not going to have the money to do all that much.

[BigWillie]

First I will say this. My Golden Child posts on this board and he's a good kid.

As for Bush, he is not my Golden Child. He is the former President of the United States. Georgia and Ossetia is an internal matter. I am sympathetic to Georgia's problems but we have no authority to interceed. If Alberta Canada decided to suceed from Canada, I would be sympathetic but I would not welcome Russia to come in and invade Canada in an attempt to to bring them back in to Canadian control.

Putin has not created trouble over the past 8 years for the US. Russia has not had the ability and I believe that Putin new Bush would fight if pushed. There is nothing to blame Bush for with regards to this IMO.

You can't look at issues In Kuwait the same way you do in Georgia or Ossetia. We do not have a treaty with them that says we will commit troops in their defense and, they are not vital to the interests of the U.S. Kuwait is a different story.

People will blame Bush regardless but when you get right down to it, Bush and his Administration is over. It is now President Obama and all that happens from here forward belongs to his administration. Right or wrong, that's how it is.

His initial decisions and foreign policy decissions have not been very good where Russia is concerned. The truth of the matter, at least to this point and in my opinion is that President Obama is forcing cuts in the Military due to policy decisions here at home and he has not shown that he is willing to bleed in order to keep American foreign policy decisions whole. Russia will force him to either bloody their nose or back down. That's how they are. That's how they have always been.

So then what was the point of the war in Iraq I ask if it is not our business to get involved? Kinda hypocritical, eh? Especially hypocritical when most Republicans see our country as the police of the world to stand up against dictatorships, communism and The Joker.

So either it is our business or it is not. However, judging by past actions by Republicans, it was more our business than Iraq ever could be.

Putin has not created trouble? Have you lived under a rock for the past decade? Besides supplying nuclear supplies to Iran and helping fund against enemies of the state, I don't know what you could possibly even mean by saying something that outrageous.

What treaty with Kuwait? Besides having oil interests in Kuwait, I know of no treaty from that time that American forces would protect them against any aggression.

Very true. However, it's completely hypocritical of you to come to the defense of one of the most incompetent presidents in this nations history, but yet from day 1 criticize a president who inherited the mess our former president left him.

Now is that to say Obama can do no wrong? Heck no. But it's better than the Republican view of he can do no right, either.

This still makes me laugh. We cut military spending and yet you act as if it is pure blasphemy. Here's some facts for you ..

The USA spends $650 billion dollars on it's military. The entire world spends $1.47 trillion on military expenditures. We count for nearly have of all military expenditures in the entire world.

And Russia? The account for $50 billion of that total. We spend 13 times more on military than Russia.

China, who is 2nd on the list of countries who spend the most on military only spent a little over $70 billion on their military.

So please, spare me some Republican rhetoric about how we are doomed if we cut military spending. It's complete horse crap of epic standards.

[ABQCOWBOY]

So then what was the point of the war in Iraq I ask if it is not our business to get involved? Kinda hypocritical, eh? Especially hypocritical when most Republicans see our country as the police of the world to stand up against dictatorships, communism and The Joker.

So either it is our business or it is not. However, judging by past actions by Republicans, it was more our business than Iraq ever could be.

Putin has not created trouble? Have you lived under a rock for the past decade? Besides supplying nuclear supplies to Iran and helping fund against enemies of the state, I don't know what you could possibly even mean by saying something that outrageous.

What treaty with Kuwait? Besides having oil interests in Kuwait, I know of no treaty from that time that American forces would protect them against any aggression.

Very true. However, it's completely hypocritical of you to come to the defense of one of the most incompetent presidents in this nations history, but yet from day 1 criticize a president who inherited the mess our former president left him.

Now is that to say Obama can do no wrong? Heck no. But it's better than the Republican view of he can do no right, either.

This still makes me laugh. We cut military spending and yet you act as if it is pure blasphemy. Here's some facts for you ..

The USA spends $650 billion dollars on it's military. The entire world spends $1.47 trillion on military expenditures. We count for nearly have of all military expenditures in the entire world.

And Russia? The account for $50 billion of that total. We spend 13 times more on military than Russia.

China, who is 2nd on the list of countries who spend the most on military only spent a little over $70 billion on their military.

So please, spare me some Republican rhetoric about how we are doomed if we cut military spending. It's complete horse crap of epic standards.

The War in Iraq is central to the security of our interests in the Middle East. This really isn't even an issue worth discussing as it is an accepted point by all sides.

Whatever has been spent in that War has been dwarfed by this administration in the first 60 days.

How much does it cost to build nuclear devices?

Have you ever been in the military or have you ever had to fight in the service of our country?

[MetalHead]

Men occasionally stumble over the truth,but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.

[burmafrd]

Love how those uninformed about the military spout crap they get from Daily Kos, etc.

[BigWillie]

The War in Iraq is central to the security of our interests in the Middle East. This really isn't even an issue worth discussing as it is an accepted point by all sides.

Whatever has been spent in that War has been dwarfed by this administration in the first 60 days.

How much does it cost to build nuclear devices?

Have you ever been in the military or have you ever had to fight in the service of our country?

:laugh2:

Right. First it was about WMDs. Then about terrorism. Now it's about our 'security'. Listen, we had no problems with security in Iraq. It was proven that OBL and Saddam had no ties with each. Iraq was like a gnat in a bee hive in the Middle East. They were aggravating, but offered no potential threat. The true potential threats in that area are countries like Syria and Iran who have been proven and admitted they were developing nuclear reactors against international law.

But yet for some odd reason, we are not sticking up for our 'interests' there. Odd, eh?

WTH does that even matter? I did not even bring up the bailouts. We are talking about cutting military spending. Now you are grasping at straws and nothing else.

So we cut military spending? Lets cut out $50 billion. We still spend $600 billion a year. Do you not think that is more than enough when we are spending 12 times as much as freakin' China?

Who knows the true price? I do know that we spend about $52 billion annually on our nuclear program (subs, bombs, etc). You know, more than the entire country on China spends on its entire military.

And again, another *** question. Please don't tell me you are gonna play a card that because I have not been in the military I have no right to speak on this subject. If you do, I'm gonna have to resort to a massive use of the laughing emoticon to show how pathetic it is you will use that.

It would be as stupid as me telling you that how are you going to criticize Obama as a president when you have never did the job he has. Or how will you criticize these big bank CEOs when you have not did their job. Or how are you even going to criticize Cory Procter when you have never did his job either? The limits are endless if you want to go that route.

So please, spare me.

[burmafrd]

No anyone who casually talks about cutting 50 billion like it is nothing is notg worth listening to.

[BigWillie]

No anyone who casually talks about cutting 50 billion like it is nothing is notg worth listening to.

:laugh2:

In terms of how much we spend towards our military, it is nothing. Not even a tenth of our budget towards it. And even if we did cut that much, we still massively outspend any other country in the world. But yet it is blasphemous to even speak of cutting military spending.