Out of these choices, who would you take?

[5mics]

Help, input wanted!

My personal choice for our first pick is not one of these choices because he may not be available when we pick at #51 overall (depending if we trade up/down of course). So with that in mind, I'm attempting to formulate a back-up plan for my mock.

Among only these 7 players listed, who would you take w/ our #51 overall pick and why or why not? I have an idea of who I would go with but wanted to see other members' opinions. Thanks in advance!

1. Patrick Chung - S
2. Derrick Williams - WR
3. Lawrence Sidbury, Jr. - DE/OLB
4. Rashad Johnson - S
5. Juaquin Iglesias - WR
6. Sean Smith - CB/S
7. Connor Barwin - DE/OLB
:starspin

[reddyuta]

sean smith

[Ceasaleo88]

If Sean Smith is an option we have to hop on it.

[Chris in Arizona]

If Sean Smith is an option we have to hop on it.

Sean Smith would be a steal at 51.

[BAT]

Connor Barwin would be good too.

[Woods]

Sidbury or Barwin

[Bob Sacamano]

Barwin straight up, no regrets

[Cowboy06]

Sean Smith.

[irvin4evs]

Help, input wanted!

My personal choice for our first pick is not one of these choices because he may not be available when we pick at #51 overall (depending if we trade up/down of course). So with that in mind, I'm attempting to formulate a back-up plan for my mock.

Among only these 7 players listed, who would you take w/ our #51 overall pick and why or why not? I have an idea of who I would go with but wanted to see other members' opinions. Thanks in advance!

1. Patrick Chung - S
2. Derrick Williams - WR
3. Lawrence Sidbury, Jr. - DE/OLB
4. Rashad Johnson - S
5. Juaquin Iglesias - WR
6. Sean Smith - CB/S
7. Connor Barwin - DE/OLB
:starspin

Connor Barwin for me. The guy has the intangibles you look for and is a spectacular athlete. I always go for passrush and blocking over skill positions as I feel a good passrush can make a good secondary but never vice versa.

It's a matter of maximizing resources. After Barwin I would take Smith just because he seems like a very good prospect at FS.

[RS12]

1) Sidbury 2) Barwin

[Cowboysfan22]

Sidbury is expected to go in the third so I would take Patrick Chung in the second and then I would get Sidbury.

[adamknite]

Sean Smith

[SLATEmosphere]

Sean Smith..there's no question about it. If he's there at pick 40 I will be screaming at the screen for Jerry to move up. Stick him out there at centerfield safety and get prepared to watch him in the probowl..He's Cromartie with coverage skills..same attributes.

6 4 215..4.49..

[5mics]

Thanks for the input so far, I'm actually starting to change my mind on my "Plan B" guy.......I'm still waiting on some more pro-days evals.

[PokerPro]

Help, input wanted!

My personal choice for our first pick is not one of these choices because he may not be available when we pick at #51 overall (depending if we trade up/down of course). So with that in mind, I'm attempting to formulate a back-up plan for my mock.

Among only these 7 players listed, who would you take w/ our #51 overall pick and why or why not? I have an idea of who I would go with but wanted to see other members' opinions. Thanks in advance!

1. Patrick Chung - S
2. Derrick Williams - WR
3. Lawrence Sidbury, Jr. - DE/OLB
4. Rashad Johnson - S
5. Juaquin Iglesias - WR
6. Sean Smith - CB/S
7. Connor Barwin - DE/OLB
:starspin

I tell you who I don't want, we are never in a million years gonna use our top pick on an O.L.B., so scratch Sidbury and Barwin, Iglesias is a midddle to late 3rd round prospect, so scratch him, and Derrick Williams is a 3-4 rounder as well, so scratch him.

So with only 3 picks left, I'd take Smith in a HEARTBEAT since he should be gone the tim we pick and he'd be great value, and the I'd go Chung and then Johnson, but I also don't think we'll be going safety in round 1 either, but with Smith or Chung, I could see the value there.

[JonJon]

1. Sean Smith - CB/S
2. Rashad Johnson - S
3. Connor Barwin - DE/OLB
4. Derrick Williams - WR
5. Juaquin Iglesias - WR
6. Lawrence Sidbury, Jr. - DE/OLB
7. Patrick Chung - S

[ghst187]

1. Patrick Chung - S
2. Derrick Williams - WR
3. Lawrence Sidbury, Jr. - DE/OLB
4. Rashad Johnson - S
5. Juaquin Iglesias - WR
6. Sean Smith - CB/S
7. Connor Barwin - DE/OLB
:starspin

1. Sean Smith, too much athleticism, talent, and versatility either S or CB
2. Rashad Johnson, the cerebral FS, smart.
I like Iglesias a lot but wouldn't take him before the 3rd round. I think he'll be a good little WR.

[DFWJC]

Smith...but he'll be gone by then. Probably to NE.

[SLATEmosphere]

Look at this Sean Smith love!! You guys know whats up!

Looks like the clear choice here is Mr.Smith. Okay lets do it Jerry.

[SLATEmosphere]

Smith...but he'll be gone by then. Probably to NE.

They'll pick Cushing or Delmas before Smith.

[BHendri5]

Rashard Johnson
Sean Smith
JUAN
DERRICK WILLIAMS

[Zaxor]

Smith or Barwin I would be happy with

[ZeroClub]

Juaquin Iglesias - He's got a cool sounding name and he reminds me a bit of Kevin Williams ... who was an underrated but important contributor.

(I don't know that he'd be the best pick on the board, but I wouldn't be disappointed with him. And it'd be nice to have someone pushing Crayton.)

[RESIN8]

Sean Smith is the only guy that I feel wouldn't be a reach at this pick.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Connor Barwin for me. The guy has the intangibles you look for and is a spectacular athlete. I always go for passrush and blocking over skill positions as I feel a good passrush can make a good secondary but never vice versa.

It's a matter of maximizing resources. After Barwin I would take Smith just because he seems like a very good prospect at FS.


We had the best rush last year but our secondary was still bad.

I bet Jerry & co. have a Rodgers-Cromartie type crush on Sean Smith. I keep telling myself hell be there, but if he somehow is there around 40, we should trade up.

[SLATEmosphere]

We had the best rush last year but our secondary was still bad.

I bet Jerry & co. have a Rodgers-Cromartie type crush on Sean Smith. I keep telling myself hell be there, but if he somehow is there around 40, we should trade up.

They were high on DRC?

By the way..why do you have skip bayless as your avatar?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

They were high on DRC?

By the way..why do you have skip bayless as your avatar?



Yea, I think he would of been the pick at 22. Then maybe a trade up to get Felix/Chris Johnson. (Apparently Tennessee prefered Felix)



-I have no idea. A mod should change it

[Macnalty]

Needs: 1 starting caliber S, 1 CB w/portential, 2 LBs, 1 OG, 1 OT, 1 backup QB, 1 WR and/or 1 WR with serious speed, 1 DL

I am in agreement in getting Smith if available, not sure he will be with his times and measurables, not so sure about his football intelligence. Some are saying:
"Sean has big time talent with a suitcase full of bad habits that he is going to carry to the next level. He does not read receivers on the run, looks into the back field too early, turns his hips before the snap of the ball because he wants to be able to eliminate flipping his hips during the route. Of course, he doesn't realize that this gives away the defense and at the next level, he will have to learn to play chest-to-chest or a WR will burn him like a piece of robe soaked in kerosene. He is very confident. In fact, he is almost too confident. In spite of all these bad habits, you can see the talent and the ability to be a #1 impact CB for the team that drafts him. Sean should be an excellent zone CB, but let me tell everybody out there right now. If you're thinking that Sean could be a safety because of his size, I just think that is dead wrong. He is a CB all the way. The kid can cover and has the talent to cover those big WR's for the next level. He has the intelligence to figure out how to cover the small WR's and he is not too proud to ask for help if he feels he needs it. This kid has the CB mentality. I'm sure he could be a good cover safety, but I think you're wasting way too much talent because Sean is a drag down tackler and personally, I do not like my safeties to be drag down tacklers. Talent like Sean has does not come in his size very often so I suggest you coach his bad habits away and keep him at the CB position. Once you do, you will discover a Pro Bowl impact CB. If you are a playoff team late in the first round of this draft and you need a future #1 CB, you would be foolish, in my opinion, to pass on this kid. "

I am high on that Brandon Tate WR chap who played opposite Hakeem Nicks at NC. He had been injured or else we would of never heard of Hakeem, he seems to be someone we should keep our eye on, thanks to another CZ member for alerting us about this kid, this could be the Scandrick of this years draft. Brandon Tate remember the name.

OG: Oregon Fenuki Tupuo(sp) one of the better names in the draft that should be on our radar:
"Fenuki is one of the better offensive linemen in this draft. He is a massive, powerful kid with excellent athletic talent. He has good feet and balance as well as that in-the-box quickness that is very rare for a player his size. Fenuki is an excellent run blocker and has the feet to be used in a pulling offensive line system. He shows good athleticism going to the next level and should have the strength and mental stamina that most NFL Pro Bowl offensive linemen need to have. Fenuki is one of the better offensive linemen in this draft, but I don't think his impact position is as a left tackle.
As a pulling guard, Fenuki could be one of the best. He has leadership abilities through his play on the field. He is smart and can help a LT on the inside in pass protection because of his quickness both in space and out of a three point stance. Fenuki makes the players around him better and if he is drafted and plays as a LG, he will be a LT's best friend in both pass blocking and run blocking. If you need a guard that is ready to play the day after you draft him, then you would be very smart to draft Fenuki. "


DT: Evander Hood Missouri, This guy if the second coming of Jay Ratliff, more of the worker bee type that will require constant double teaming. We are not able to draft an all pro at this position, we could certainly use someone of his talent to free up Jay.

S: Rashad Johnson smart guy just a little undersized like Hamlin we already have, we may regret passing on this kid as he is a football player without the measurable. Would love to see him fall to our second pick in the draft. Chung is a headhunter who like to make people pay that beat him, Johnson does not like for people to beat him hell with the payback. Not sure that Chung has half the smarts of Johnson in Football schemes.

[codychi1]

Williams Penn State. Speed baby speed. Plus above average return man.

[Alexander]

Thanks for the input so far, I'm actually starting to change my mind on my "Plan B" guy.......I'm still waiting on some more pro-days evals.

I hope you are not using Pro Day results to grade one player as better than other. That's a waste of time. Get your hands on as much footage as you can. There is plenty on YouTube.

[SLATEmosphere]

Needs: 1 starting caliber S, 1 CB w/portential, 2 LBs, 1 OG, 1 OT, 1 backup QB, 1 WR and/or 1 WR with serious speed, 1 DL

I am in agreement in getting Smith if available, not sure he will be with his times and measurables, not so sure about his football intelligence. Some are saying:
"Sean has big time talent with a suitcase full of bad habits that he is going to carry to the next level. He does not read receivers on the run, looks into the back field too early, turns his hips before the snap of the ball because he wants to be able to eliminate flipping his hips during the route. Of course, he doesn't realize that this gives away the defense and at the next level, he will have to learn to play chest-to-chest or a WR will burn him like a piece of robe soaked in kerosene. He is very confident. In fact, he is almost too confident. In spite of all these bad habits, you can see the talent and the ability to be a #1 impact CB for the team that drafts him. Sean should be an excellent zone CB, but let me tell everybody out there right now. If you're thinking that Sean could be a safety because of his size, I just think that is dead wrong. He is a CB all the way. The kid can cover and has the talent to cover those big WR's for the next level. He has the intelligence to figure out how to cover the small WR's and he is not too proud to ask for help if he feels he needs it. This kid has the CB mentality. I'm sure he could be a good cover safety, but I think you're wasting way too much talent because Sean is a drag down tackler and personally, I do not like my safeties to be drag down tacklers. Talent like Sean has does not come in his size very often so I suggest you coach his bad habits away and keep him at the CB position. Once you do, you will discover a Pro Bowl impact CB. If you are a playoff team late in the first round of this draft and you need a future #1 CB, you would be foolish, in my opinion, to pass on this kid. "



What??? Nice contradicting right there. With the right coaching and work ethic this guy can play anything he wants. He came into Utah as a RB and WR(which is why he didn't get heavily recruited). His Sophmore year they lost 5 CB's and he actually stepped up and asked if he could help play dime/nickel corner. He excelled in it and became one of the best corners in college IMO in only 2 years! This guy a freakish athlete and a former reciever! He knows all about routes and formations which allows him to have an advantage.

This article by Mcnaulty sounds just like Cromartie's when he came out. He makes big plays because of his ability but also gets toasted alot. Cromartie is bst suited at Safety just like Smith will be.

[DaBoys4Life]

Barwin hands down.

[SLATEmosphere]

Barwin hands down.

Hands down? LOL..lets not get carried away..

[Avery]

Sean Smith without question. I'd be satisfied with most of those guys, but he'd be my top choice.

No way he slips that far unfortunately.

[tomson75]

Toss up between Smith or Barwin. CB/Safety hybrid is a bigger need IMO, so I'd lean towards Smith...but I've been stoked on Barwin since someone first mentioned him four months ago.

I seriously doubt either one will still be there when we pick, however.

[Bob Sacamano]

Toss up between Smith or Barwin. CB/Safety hybrid is a bigger need IMO, so I'd lean towards Smith...but I've been stoked on Barwin since someone first mentioned him four months ago.

I seriously doubt either one will still be there when we pick, however.

that was me

[Bob Sacamano]

Hands down? LOL..lets not get carried away..

he's the highest rated player of all the choices...

[SLATEmosphere]

he's the highest rated player of all the choices...

So what? That doesn't mean it's hands down..he's a few spots ahead of Smith and their comparing a LB to a CB/S..apples and oranges...

Looks ike the the majority here is Sean Smith so that kind of says something. I guess Barwin isn't as "hands down" as you would like him to be.

[Bob Sacamano]

So what? That doesn't mean it's hands down..he's a few spots ahead of Smith and their comparing a LB to a CB/S..apples and oranges...

Looks the the majority here is Sean Smith so that kind says something. I guess Barwin isn't as "hands down" as you would like him to be.

more like double digit spots ahead of him, he could sneak into the 1st round, no way in hell Smith does

the majority on a message board doesn't mean much really

[SLATEmosphere]

more like double digit spots ahead of him

the majority on a message board doesn't mean much really


It doesn't?

So you would have taken Gholston last year because he was rated double digit spots ahead of DRC?

[Bob Sacamano]

It doesn't?

So you would have taken Gholston last year because he was rated double digit spots ahead of DRC?

probably, now if it were like you said, a few spots, then i could go with the lower rated guy, but with double-digits, I have to go with the much, higher rated prospect

and yeah, what a consensus is on a message board is something I don't take into consideration regarding who a better prospect is

[SLATEmosphere]

probably, now if it were like you said, a few spots, then i could go with the lower rated guy, but with double-digits, I have to go with the much, higher rated prospect

and yeah, what a consensus is on a message board is something I don't take into consideration regarding who a better prospect is

So double digits spots don't mean SQUAT!! Gholston was double digit spots ahead of DRC..how'd that work out?

[Bob Sacamano]

So double digits spots don't mean SQUAT!! Gholston was double digit spots ahead of DRC..how'd that work out?

you try to take the highest-rated player on your board, and if it fits a need, I don't know why you're fighting that idea (nvm, you're a Sean Smith butt-licker...

we took Ware double-digits spots ahead of Fabian Washington...how'd that work out? he-YUK!

[SLATEmosphere]

you try to take the highest-rated player on your board, I don't know why you're fighting that idea (nvm, you're a Sean Smith butt-licker...

we took Ware double-digits spots ahead of Marcus Spears...how'd that work our he-YUK!


But wait...I'm just using your logic..if a player is rated higher on a website then he MUST be better..therefore it's hands down...

[Bob Sacamano]

But wait...I'm just using your logic..if a player is rated higher on a website then he MUST be better..therefore it's hands down...

I said that? show me where

I'm saying that taking the highest-rated player (by a wide-margin), not to mention the most athletically gifted (that too by a wide margin), should be a hands-down decision

[SLATEmosphere]

he's the highest rated player of all the choices...


There you go...

JA=Epic Fail

[SLATEmosphere]

more like double digit spots ahead of him, he could sneak into the 1st round, no way in hell Smith does

the majority on a message board doesn't mean much really

And here's another one using your wide margin comment...

[Bob Sacamano]

There you go...

JA=Epic Fail

so rate is another way to say better?

[SLATEmosphere]

so rate is another way to say better?

You sure insuated it

JA=Fail

BYE..have a good night.

[Bob Sacamano]

let me make this clear since you seem to be a little confused here

is Barwin the better prospect than Smith? you betcha, he's a phenominal athlete at a premium position, pass-rusher, not saying CB isn't a premium position, but Smith isn't quite the athlete Barwin is (Barwin is 42lbs bigger, only .10 second slower, more explosive and fluid)

now is Barwin going to be the better player because he's rated higher? I don't like declaring that this early, as it takes a rookie 3 years in the NFL before you can actually tell that

but I can tell you this, having Barwin and Ware as bookends at OLB is going to make it very hard for a QB to complete passes

[28 Joker]

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Lawrence Sidbury


Bunting rates him as a 2nd-3rd rounder and has him ranked at # 51. Good-bye Greg Ellis.


Sean Smith ran a 4.47 and 4.48 at his pro day. He has been compared to Nnamdi Asoughma. Asoughma ran a 4.48 and went in late round 1. Smith should go in round one, probably in the 21-32 range, imo. The teams that view him as a CB, compare him to Asoughma. Asoughma doesn't play off, because he's a little stiff like Smith. He plays press man.

I'm not saying Smith is Asoughma. I'm saying he's a first rounder based on his play and measureables. Both guys are tall and rangy. I predict a team will draft him for CB and not safety.

Now, the guy from Cincinnati is rated high, too. He's long gone and looks like a first rounder, too. Some teams still view him as a TE prospect.

[Bob Sacamano]

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Lawrence Sidbury


Bunting rates him as a 2nd-3rd rounder and has him ranked at # 51. Good-bye Greg Ellis.


Sean Smith ran a 4.47 and 4.48 at his pro day. He has been compared to Nnamdi Asoughma. Asoughma ran a 4.48 and went in late round 1. Smith should go in round one, probably in the 21-32 range, imo. The teams that view him as a CB, compare him to Asoughma. Asoughma doesn't play off, because he's a little stiff like Smith. He plays press man.

I'm not saying Smith is Asoughma. I'm saying he's a first rounder based on his play and measureables. Both guys are tall and rangy. I predict a team will draft him for CB and not safety.

Now, the guy from Cincinnati is rated high, too. He's long gone and looks like a first rounder, too. Some teams still view him as a TE prospect.

the guys at NFLDS don't see him as a Nmandi prospect, they actually compare him to Matt Ware, another guy they compare him to is Mike Rumph, they actually say he's not an elite talent like Nmandi

they do say that he has extremely quick feet, although not very good short-area quickness, and is slow to adjust when back-pedaling when a receiver cuts his route short aka makes a move

[28 Joker]

the guys at NFLDS don't see him as a Nmandi prospect, they actually compare him to Matt Ware, another guy they compare him to is Mike Rumph, they actually say he's not an elite talent like Nmandi

they do say that he has extremely quick feet, although not very good short-area quickness, and is slow to adjust when back-pedaling when a receiver cuts his route short aka makes a move


Yeah. I just read one report that compared him to the Raiders CB. NFLDS doesn't like him as much as Bunting. That is for sure. Bunting has him ranked at 19 in his top 100.

I just checked on Nnamdi's 40 time. I"ve seen 4.48 and 4.45. I couldn't find any short shuttle times for him on NFLDS. I wanted to compare his to Smith's.

Smith ran a 4.15 short shuttle. I only saw him play one time, but he played Julio Jones really tough at CB.

Terence Newman ran a 3.83 short-shuttle.

Nevertheless, I think he comes off in round one (CB or FS), and that is why I like Sidbury.

Who is Matt Ware?

I read where the Giants and some other teams sent their TEs coach to look at Barwin, but Rex Ryan (among others) was there looking at him as a rush OLB.


EDIT:

Did you see those pictures of Aaron Maybin? How did he put on that muscle so fast? Very interesting.

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah. I just read one report that compared him to the Raiders CB. NFLDS doesn't like him as much as Bunting. That is for sure. Bunting has him ranked at 19 in his top 100.

I just checked on Nnamdi's 40 time. I"ve seen 4.48 and 4.45. I couldn't find any short shuttle times for him on NFLDS. I wanted to compare his to Smith's.

Smith ran a 4.15 short shuttle. I only saw him play one time, but he played Julio Jones really tough at CB.

Terence Newman ran a 3.83 short-shuttle.

Nevertheless, I think he comes off in round one (CB or FS), and that is why I like Sidbury.

Who is Matt Ware?

I read where the Giants and some other teams sent their TEs coach to look at Barwin, but Rex Ryan (among others) was there looking at him as a rush OLB.

what's funny about Sean Smith is that the guys pimping him, esp. Slate, have already said that Smith doesn't have the quickness to play CB, and will be a better safety

sounds like Smith would be a better zone corner than man-cover corner, NFLDS is sticking him at boundary corner

regards Matt Ware, he was a big CB Philadelphia drafted in the 3rd round a while back who flopped, about the same size, 6'3" 209, ran about the same time at the Combine, 4.54, rated the same, solid 2nd rounder, although projected at FS, where alot of people are putting Sean Smith

[Bob Sacamano]

EDIT:

Did you see those pictures of Aaron Maybin? How did he put on that muscle so fast? Very interesting.

I saw that, it is interesting

[28 Joker]

what's funny about Sean Smith is that the guys pimping him, esp. Slate, have already said that Smith doesn't have the quickness to play CB, and will be a better safety

sounds like Smith would be a better zone corner than man-cover corner, NFLDS is sticking him at boundary corner

regards Matt Ware, he was a big CB Philadelphia drafted in the 3rd round a while back who flopped, about the same size, 6'3" 209, ran the same time at the Combine, 4.54, rated the same, solid 2nd rounder


He must have flopped. Brandon Flowers played boundary at VT.

I really don't know where Smith will play. If he was really comparable to Asoughma, we would probably hear more about it. Just because some teams mlight look at him as a CB, that doesn't mean he's on Asoughma's level. That's for sure. They compare in size, though.

The Titans drafted Micheal Griffin for CB but moved him back to SS. That is where he belongs. He's a good player.

[Bob Sacamano]

He must have flopped. Brandon Flowers played boundary at VT.

I really don't know where Smith will play. If he was really comparable to Asoughma, we would probably hear more about it. Just because some teams mlight look at him as a CB, that doesn't mean he's on Asoughma's level. That's for sure. They compare in size, though.

The Titans drafted Micheal Griffin for CB but moved him back to SS. That is where he belongs. He's a good player.

Smith wants to play CB, he's rated as a CB, so he's probably going to start out as one

depends on the scheme he goes to, if it's a zone, he'll probably stay at CB, if it's an aggressive zone, same thing, but if it's a man scheme, they'll probably end up moving him to safety

[Monstarr31]

SEAN SMITH he can be a good coverage Safety

[jterrell]

Help, input wanted!

My personal choice for our first pick is not one of these choices because he may not be available when we pick at #51 overall (depending if we trade up/down of course). So with that in mind, I'm attempting to formulate a back-up plan for my mock.

Among only these 7 players listed, who would you take w/ our #51 overall pick and why or why not? I have an idea of who I would go with but wanted to see other members' opinions. Thanks in advance!

1. Patrick Chung - S
2. Derrick Williams - WR
3. Lawrence Sidbury, Jr. - DE/OLB
4. Rashad Johnson - S
5. Juaquin Iglesias - WR
6. Sean Smith - CB/S
7. Connor Barwin - DE/OLB
:starspin

Connor Barwin > Rashad Johnson > Sean Smith > Chung > Sidbury > Williams > Iglesias

I think Barwin is going to be a better OLB than Anthony Spencer.

I love Rashad Johnson's leadership skills, overall game and his toughness.

Sean Smith is almost ideal for a coverage FS but he is committed to being a CB.

Chung is a better coverage guy thena given credit for and still a serious thumper.

Sidbury has potential but he got roughed up a bit at the Senior Bowl practices.

Williams looked 100x better as his pro day but all I have is his combine on dvr and he looked awful there. I still realize he is a heck of a player but I question penn state guys and WR in general.

I wouldn't even consider Iglesias at 51. He is a Patrick Crayton type who is rock solid but not great in any one area.

[jterrell]

Yeah. I just read one report that compared him to the Raiders CB. NFLDS doesn't like him as much as Bunting. That is for sure. Bunting has him ranked at 19 in his top 100.

I just checked on Nnamdi's 40 time. I"ve seen 4.48 and 4.45. I couldn't find any short shuttle times for him on NFLDS. I wanted to compare his to Smith's.

Smith ran a 4.15 short shuttle. I only saw him play one time, but he played Julio Jones really tough at CB.

Terence Newman ran a 3.83 short-shuttle.

Nevertheless, I think he comes off in round one (CB or FS), and that is why I like Sidbury.

Who is Matt Ware?

I read where the Giants and some other teams sent their TEs coach to look at Barwin, but Rex Ryan (among others) was there looking at him as a rush OLB.


EDIT:

Did you see those pictures of Aaron Maybin? How did he put on that muscle so fast? Very interesting.

Sean Smith has stated he sees himself as a zone coverage CB in a Tampa 2 scheme. He is a bright kid but not a man coverage guy.

Raw 40 speed is the most overrated skill ever for a CB. there is a reason why guys running 4.3's get cut and guy like Henry start 7 years in the league. You need some speed but most importantly you need to be able to handle guys in coverage. For Dallas that coverage requirement is playing man up press coverage. Same as it is for most nickel corners.

It is all about a guys hip flexion and their ability to turn and run quickly after getting a good jam at the line of scrimmage.

[dwmyers]

the guys at NFLDS don't see him as a Nmandi prospect, they actually compare him to Matt Ware, another guy they compare him to is Mike Rumph, they actually say he's not an elite talent like Nmandi

they do say that he has extremely quick feet, although not very good short-area quickness, and is slow to adjust when back-pedaling when a receiver cuts his route short aka makes a move

JA,

The least accurate part of drafting is scouting players.. the least. And even with first rounders, the bust potential is 50%. Scout to scout, the variance is often a whole round in rating and this argument is balanced on .. what .. a 10 position difference in rating on a single scout's chart of second roundish players?

If there is one thing the scouts are good at, it's creating the illusion of accuracy. That's what they sell, because the product just isn't that good.

David.