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WoodysGirl
03-23-2009, 03:46 PM
By Tim Paradis, Ap Business Writer – 6 mins ago

NEW YORK – Wall Street got the news it wanted on the economy's biggest problems — banks and housing — and responded with a rally that hurtled the Dow Jones industrials up nearly 500 points.

Investors added rocket fuel Monday to a two-week-old advance, cheering the government's plan to help banks remove bad assets from their books and also welcoming a report showing a surprising increase in home sales. Major stock indicators surged more than 6 percent, including the Dow.

The Treasury Department's bad asset cleanup program would tap money from the government's $700 billion financial rescue fund and involve help from the Federal Reserve, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and the participation of private investors.

The government's announcement was what the market had waited weeks to hear. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner had announced an outline of the program last month but provided few details then about how it would work, leading to a plunge on Wall Street that sliced 380 points from the Dow.

Meanwhile, the National Association of Realtors' existing home sales report was overwhelmingly positive for the market although it showed a decline in home prices in February. Investors are embracing any sign that a glut in homes for sale may be easing. Monday's data followed a dose of good housing news last week as housing starts for February came in much better than expected.

Collapsing home prices and the damage they have caused banks are at the center of the economy's current problems and are a major focus for the stock market. Banks have sharply curbed lending after becoming weighed down with loans that have gone bad, especially mortgages.

Investors had been largely disappointed in the government's efforts to date to restore the banks to health, but finally seemed encouraged by the long-awaited announcement Monday of details for the government's bad loan cleanup plan.

"The actions that we're getting from a policy standpoint are very helpful in removing the sand from the gears," said Alan Gayle, senior investment strategist at RidgeWorth Investments. "That is going to be good for the financials."

The plan seeks to draw in private investors, including big hedge funds, to participate by offering billions of dollars in low-interest loans to finance the purchases. The government will share the risks if the assets fall further in price.

Shares of the country's largest banks, which have been pounded in recent weeks over concerns about their ability to weather the crisis, soared on Monday. Citigroup Inc. jumped 19.5 percent, and Bank of America Corp. added 26 percent.

Even banks seen as being on better footing posted big advances. JPMorgan Chase & Co. rose 25 percent, while Wells Fargo & Co. rose 24 percent.

According to preliminary calculations, the Dow rose 497.48, or 6.8 percent, to 7,775.86. That was the biggest point gain for the blue chips in more than four months.

Broader stock indicators also surged. The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 54.38, or 7.1 percent, to 822.92, crossing the psychological milepost of 800. The Nasdaq composite index rose 98.50, or 6.8 percent, to 1,555.77.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies rose 33.61, or 8.4 percent, to 433.72.

More than 10 stocks rose for every one that fell on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 1.9 billion shares.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090323/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street

zrinkill
03-23-2009, 03:49 PM
Great News.

Doomsday101
03-23-2009, 03:51 PM
Glad to see the gain on Wall Street today but of course the key is not 1 day gains but a period of time where Wall Street is reporting consistent gains. Still it is good to see a positive reaction by Wall Street none the less

ShiningStar
03-23-2009, 03:51 PM
I guess this is the news they wanted. I hope it works out, but something is screaming this isnt going to be that good."

Cajuncowboy
03-23-2009, 03:52 PM
I guess this is the news they wanted. I hope it works out, but something is screaming this isnt going to be that good."

Of course this is not good. I mean it's good for right now, but look at who is causing it to happen and who will own that debt.

ShiningStar
03-23-2009, 03:56 PM
Of course this is not good. I mean it's good for right now, but look at who is causing it to happen and who will own that debt.


Well Cajun, i look at it like this, regardless of what happens, and its going to happen. I dont think people really comprehend the numbers we are dealing with. I personally think people think 1 trillion, is equal to 1 dollar, I can't really think all the people that voted understood the numbers the new president would be dealing with, so he can throw out anything, I think after a million, people tune out.

If this is bad, and the banks dont care anymore, nor the people, I think its time to let the chips fall and watch people scurry at this point.

Cajuncowboy
03-23-2009, 04:14 PM
Well Cajun, i look at it like this, regardless of what happens, and its going to happen. I dont think people really comprehend the numbers we are dealing with. I personally think people think 1 trillion, is equal to 1 dollar, I can't really think all the people that voted understood the numbers the new president would be dealing with, so he can throw out anything, I think after a million, people tune out.

If this is bad, and the banks dont care anymore, nor the people, I think its time to let the chips fall and watch people scurry at this point.

Yep. I think you are dean on.

BTW for those wondering....

After a Trillion comes...

Quadrillion

(It's the new Trillion) :bang2:

Vintage
03-23-2009, 04:27 PM
At this point, I am hoping for failed state status.

Cajuncowboy
03-23-2009, 04:31 PM
At this point, I am hoping for failed state status.

That made me snicker...

Then I realized how sad of a statement it really is.

Vintage
03-23-2009, 04:37 PM
That made me snicker...

Then I realized how sad of a statement it really is.

I was criticizing gov't the other day. Someone asked me what my bailout plan was.

I said I'd buy a large boat. I'd employ Americans to build it (job creation), buy it (stimulate the economy), and round up all the Members of Congress + the President + the Vice President + Secretary of the Treasury......

Put them on said boat.

Take them out to the middle of the Atlantic.

And sink the sucker.

Voila. Bailout.

Doomsday101
03-23-2009, 04:42 PM
I was criticizing gov't the other day. Someone asked me what my bailout plan was.

I said I'd buy a large boat. I'd employ Americans to build it (job creation), buy it (stimulate the economy), and round up all the Members of Congress + the President + the Vice President + Secretary of the Treasury......

Put them on said boat.

Take them out to the middle of the Atlantic.

And sink the sucker.

Voila. Bailout.


Good idea. I would include 1 life preserver to watch them screw each other over as they fight for it

Cajuncowboy
03-23-2009, 04:43 PM
Good idea. I would include 1 life preserver to watch them screw each other over as they fight for it

Can we get that on Pay Per View??? If so, I'm in for 50.00.

Doomsday101
03-23-2009, 04:48 PM
Can we get that on Pay Per View??? If so, I'm in for 50.00.

There you go and it can go to the National debt. :laugh2:

Cajuncowboy
03-23-2009, 04:51 PM
There you go and it can go to the National debt. :laugh2:

I'm such a capitalistic pig. :cool:

DFWJC
03-23-2009, 04:55 PM
I have two words for you: BEAR TRAP

Vintage
03-23-2009, 04:58 PM
Can we get that on Pay Per View??? If so, I'm in for 50.00.


Hey - that's another way to help stimulate the economy!

We can include that in my bailout plan!

BadWolf
03-23-2009, 05:14 PM
I was criticizing gov't the other day. Someone asked me what my bailout plan was.

I said I'd buy a large boat. I'd employ Americans to build it (job creation), buy it (stimulate the economy), and round up all the Members of Congress + the President + the Vice President + Secretary of the Treasury......

Put them on said boat.

Take them out to the middle of the Atlantic.

And sink the sucker.

Voila. Bailout.

Wouldn't that leave Hillary in charge? :(

jrumann59
03-23-2009, 06:54 PM
Wouldn't that leave Hillary in charge? :(

Yes the boat better be big enough for the cabinet also since they are such virtuous people as well.

sbark
03-24-2009, 12:08 AM
Its a detail explaintion of the Geithner Plan by Khan Academy on Youtube. He talks about a troubling possbility (high likelyhood of it happening as you be stupid not to participate) of the banks who owns these toxic assets particapation in their own buy back, thus instead of being exposed 100%, they not only gain 100% of their money back with a reduced downside risk. Essentially its a effect of Fed and Treasury giving billions to the bank for free with the Taxpaers exposed to the full risk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervHbKa7R5g&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervHbKa7R5g&feature=channel_page)

I found professor Galbraith’s explanation a litle more coherent. But the important thing is that everyone eyeing this plan with a skeptical eye is seeing the same thing:

That the plan will be gamed by the holders of the toxic assets.
http://dailybail.com/home/must-see-bank-bailout-news-james-galbraith-says-geithner-ban.html (http://dailybail.com/home/must-see-bank-bailout-news-james-galbraith-says-geithner-ban.html)

ninja
03-24-2009, 07:42 AM
I have two words for you: BEAR TRAP

Well, it is a bear market. So, what will they do if they catch the bear?:) Is there any money in the stimulus package to genetically alter the bear into a bull?