Mock with trade

[Bob Sacamano]

again using PFT's trade-value chart, http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/ we trade to Oakland, picks #51, #101, and #197, and move up to pick #40

2nd round, #40(v/Oakland): Northern Illinois DE Larry English - 6'2, 255

Explosive edge-rusher (36" vertical) takes over Greg Ellis' role as 3rd down pass-rushing threat, Wade Phillips re-introduced the 46 last year, and this year he can introduce the 3-3-5 to the Pro game

3rd round (v/Cleveland), #69: Florida WR Louis Murphy - 6'3" 203

Terrell Owen's clone, minus the hyper-active attitude, one of the draft's best deep threats, running a 4.32 40, along with a 1.48 10-yard dash at the Combine, and a 6.96 3-cone at his Pro Day, excels turning up field after he secures the football, flashes good hands

4th round, #117: Pittsburgh ILB Scott McKillop - 6'1" 244

Heady inside LB who moves through blocks well, very capable player in coverage who uses a mix of great instincts and athletic ability (4.39 short-shuttle, 7.00 3-cone), explosive athlete (1.59 10-yard, 35.5" vertical, 9'11" broad-jump) and a secure tackler, 2-time All-American, and Big-East player of the year in '08, eventual replacement for Keith Brooking and nickel LB as a rookie

5th round, #156: Furman OT Joel Bell - 6'7" 315

Small-school prospect with excellent height, long arms, strength, athleticism (4.57 short-shuttle), and explosion (1.69 10-yard, 30" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump), swing-tackle that is more suited to play LT than Pat McQuistan, immediately begins grooming to take over for Flozell Adams

5th round (v/Tennessee), #166: Cincinnati CB DeAngelo Smith - 5'11" 194

Versatile defender, has played CB, FS and returned kicks, shared the National lead in INTs in '07 (8), and followed it up with a solid Senior season, snaring 2 INTs and breaking up 10 passes, physical player who fits the mold of the "star" player

5th round (Compensatory), #172: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill - 6'4, 329

Naturally strong player with good explosion (1.72 10-yard, 28" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump) and 1st step quickness, athletic, started at DE as a Senior, can play all, 3 line positions in the 3-4

6th round (Compensatory), #208: Maryland C Edwin Williams - 6'2" 308

High-effort, highly intelligent C with good athleticism, leader on the field, possesses a strong-hand punch, comfortable snapping out of the shot-gun

7th round (v/Detroit), #210: BYU OG Rey Feinga - 6'4" 329

Huge, nimble OG able to move well laterally, 4-year starter, plays with a nastiness, strong hand-punch

7th round, #227: Utah CB Brice McCain - 5'9" 185

Not invited to the Combine, Brice posted a 4.33 40, 1.47 10-yard, 10'03" broad-jump and most impressively of all, a 3.99 20-yard shuttle at his Pro Day, comfortable playing in a man-cover scheme, despite not being thrown at much, he managed to break up 21 passes, and only picking off 3 passes his career, still managed to be voted 1st-team, All-MWC as a Senior

Fine

[RS12]

A couple things. Larry English will end up in either Miami or New England, both have multiple picks before the boys get up to pick. Also, as bad as I want a new LT, alot of sites have Joel Bell ranked towards the 7th round.

[Bob Sacamano]

A couple things. Larry English will end up in either Miami or New England, both have multiple picks before the boys get up to pick. Also, as bad as I want a new LT, alot of sites have Joel Bell ranked towards the 7th round.

they pick 3 times before us in my scenario (Miami w/ their 1st rounder, and New England with their 1st rounder and the Chief's 2nd rounder), and I'm gambling that they go for higher ranked OLBs (according to NFLDS) Brian Cushing, Clay Mathews, Connor Barwin, and even Clint Sintim, who NFLDS ranks 6th

NFLDS, where I'm basing my mock off has Joel rated as the 155th best player

[Woods]

they pick 3 times before us in my scenario (Miami w/ their 1st rounder, and New England with their 1st rounder and the Chief's 2nd rounder), and I'm gambling that they go for higher ranked OLBs (according to NFLDS) Brian Cushing, Clay Mathews, Connor Barwin, and even Clint Sintim, who NFLDS ranks 6th

NFLDS, where I'm basing my mock off has Joel rated as the 155th best player

What's your opinion on Paul Kruger?

The more I'm reading on him, I think he can play both ILB and OLB. Plus he can play with his hands down or up.

He's got really good size for ILB and OLB as well.

I'd guess his versatility is a big plus given we're thin at the LB position in terms of depth.

Finally, this guy is relentless and physical.

Not a finesse guy.

[Bob Sacamano]

What's your opinion on Paul Kruger?

The more I'm reading on him, I think he can play both ILB and OLB. Plus he can play with his hands down or up.

He's got really good size for ILB and OLB as well.

I'd guess his versatility is a big plus given we're thin at the LB position in terms of depth.

Finally, this guy is relentless and physical.

Not a finesse guy.

if we stayed put at 51, he would definitely be one of the guys I'm targeting there, he has great 1st-step quickness and can move around

and like you said, he's a relentless player

[jterrell]

I wouldn't trade up giving up some pretty good ammo for English.

He is a solid player but hard to compare his production at NIU with a lot of other guys.

Compared to Woodley and Greg Ellis (because he is more strong than fast) but has a history of injuries.

I'd try to sit at 51 and not give up 3 picks to move 11 spots. Paul Kruger and a few other guys(Aaron Maybin, Michael Johnson) offer similar value to English.

And I wouldn't call Murphy a T.O. clone because he doesn't have that strength or weight that T.O. carries.

Good values in many spots though.

[Bob Sacamano]

I wouldn't trade up giving up some pretty good ammo for English.

He is a solid player but hard to compare his production at NIU with a lot of other guys.

Compared to Woodley and Greg Ellis (because he is more strong than fast) but has a history of injuries.

I'd try to sit at 51 and not give up 3 picks to move 11 spots. Paul Kruger and a few other guys(Aaron Maybin, Michael Johnson) offer similar value to English.

And I wouldn't call Murphy a T.O. clone because he doesn't have that strength or weight that T.O. carries.

Good values in many spots though.

we're really only giving up 2 picks :) I did the trade so that we could move past some 3-4 teams making their 2nd picks

as far as Murphy goes, I'm speaking more of his speed to get downfield and ability to turn upfield quickly after catching the football

[jterrell]

we're really only giving up 2 picks :) I did the trade so that we could move past some 3-4 teams making their 2nd picks

as far as Murphy goes, I'm speaking more of his speed to get downfield and ability to turn upfield quickly after catching the football, I believe he has the frame to add the 20lbs. to get to that sizes, and not lose too much of his speed

I hear ya there but I like 101 a lot and 197:)

I'd rather trade up say 2-4 spots and give up no more than a late 5th or 6th.

We have done well with some picks in the 100's recently. Choice was 122, Scandrick 140 something just last year. Barber, Canty and Bradie were all also picks in the 100's for us the last few years.

And I guess I just rate English right with a few others is mostly the deal. I like Sintim, Kruger about the same and Michael Johnson probably has more upside if someone can stomach the lack of college production. Of all those guys English may have the biggest injury risk.

[Bob Sacamano]

I hear ya there but I like 101 a lot and 197:)

stubborn fewl!

I'd rather trade up say 2-4 spots and give up no more than a late 5th or 6th.

We have done well with some picks in the 100's recently. Choice was 122, Scandrick 140 something just last year. Barber, Canty and Bradie were all also picks in the 100's for us the last few years.

And I guess I just rate English right with a few others is mostly the deal. I like Sintim, Kruger about the same and Michael Johnson probably has more upside if someone can stomach the lack of college production. Of all those guys English may have the biggest injury risk.

why's that? do you think he plays too tall?

[SLATEmosphere]

I like it..Can Brice return some punts with that speed?

[Bob Sacamano]

I like it..Can Brice return some punts with that speed?

his build probably makes him strictly a punt returner, so I think so

plus he has a great quickness (3.99 short-shuttle)

[polinskijr1]

What kind of research did you do to get this mock draft? That is by far the best I've seen to date. Oh sure you can add maybe a project QB in the 6th or 7th and maybe something here or there, but that pretty much covers the needs, wants and extras on this team. Great job!

[Bob Sacamano]

What kind of research did you do to get this mock draft? That is by far the best I've seen to date. Oh sure you can add maybe a project QB in the 6th or 7th and maybe something here or there, but that pretty much covers the needs, wants and extras on this team. Great job!

NFLDraftScout.com

they have a top 750 board, so I just put those ratings against our draft slots, I focus on BPA, then need

[jterrell]

stubborn fewl!



why's that? do you think he plays too tall?

He suffered severe injuries as a freshman and was granted a medical redshirt and then messed up his knee in the bowl game of his sophomore season. But also it is a size issue. Can a guy 255 handle beating his head against 320 pound right tackles every week? I mean this guy is a bull rusher not a speed guy.

He is the career high sack man of the draftees with 31.5 and showed well overall but knee injuries are worrisome and the other guys don't have those to deal with. It isn't enough to move him down at all but it might be a tie-breaker.

And English ran a 4.9 combine 40 at only 255 pounds. That's not poor it is awful.

I don't dislike him but he's just an in the pack guy for me not a leader of it.

I really like Connor Barwin.

[jterrell]

NFLDraftScout.com

they have a top 750 board, so I just put those ratings against our draft slots, I focus on BPA, then need

That site is very good and you did a great job of overall value where you picked.

I'd have to hope if we were moving up to 40 it meant Greg Ellis was the bait and perhaps then a Greg Ellis and 101 and 197 might make sense. Keep the 51 but get a mid 40's back. Ellis is a known commodity as a very solid nickel rusher who can get you 8 sacks like clockwork. And chances are in a new situation he stops whining. He reminds me a lot of Michael Finley.

[Bob Sacamano]

He suffered severe injuries as a freshman and was granted a medical redshirt and then messed up his knee in the bowl game of his sophomore season. But also it is a size issue. Can a guy 255 handle beating his head against 320 pound right tackles every week? I mean this guy is a bull rusher not a speed guy.

He is the career high sack man of the draftees with 31.5 and showed well overall but knee injuries are worrisome and the other guys don't have those to deal with. It isn't enough to move him down at all but it might be a tie-breaker.

And English ran a 4.9 combine 40 at only 255 pounds. That's not poor it is awful.

I don't dislike him but he's just an in the pack guy for me not a leader of it.

I really like Connor Barwin.

same, but I think he'll be a New England Patriot for sure

[Bob Sacamano]

That site is very good and you did a great job of overall value where you picked.

I'd have to hope if we were moving up to 40 it meant Greg Ellis was the bait and perhaps then a Greg Ellis and 101 and 197 might make sense. Keep the 51 but get a mid 40's back. Ellis is a known commodity as a very solid nickel rusher who can get you 8 sacks like clockwork. And chances are in a new situation he stops whining. He reminds me a lot of Michael Finley.

that would work too, but I can't imagine any team wanting Greg Ellis as part of a trade, he's kind of like a throw-in

thanks for the kind words though

[28 Joker]

I would take Lawrence Sidbury Jr., but I like the fact that you see that value in the 3rd rusher.

Greg Ellis is going to cost over $ 5 million dollars this year.

There is no way Dallas will pay that to him this year (imo), especially, when you consider his selfish nature (as a football player). He's moved up to number 1 on my "he needs to get the boot" list. Bobby Carpenter is number 3, and Cory Proctor is number 3.5.

The question is this: Who will replace him?

I still like Lawrence Sidbury Jr. He could rush from both sides during his rookie year. He could be the pass rush specialist.

I wouldn't draft Clint Sintim. He's too stiff and slow, and I don't think he can cover. Bunting says he would be a solid rush linebacker specialist in a 3-4 but not a star, and he doesn't see upside in him. According to Bunting, Sintim is a 2nd-3rd round prospect. Sidbury had 11.5 sacks (4 in champioinship game and Sintim had over 11, too, I think.) Still, I'll take the upside and athletic ability.

I just don't know much about Larry English, but I do know Ellis is probably gone.

[dmoore]

This draft if full of win. I love the Murphy pick.

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm with JT in not wanting to trade two top-200 picks for one guy, unless we're absolutely convinced he'll be a superstar. And odds of that are very slim.

[dbair1967]

[QUOTE]again using PFT's trade-value chart, http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/ we trade to Oakland, picks #51, #101, and #197, and move up to pick #40

wouldnt be shocked if we moved up

2nd round, #40(v/Oakland): Northern Illinois DE Larry English - 6'2, 255

Explosive edge-rusher (36" vertical) takes over Greg Ellis' role as 3rd down pass-rushing threat, Wade Phillips re-introduced the 46 last year, and this year he can introduce the 3-3-5 to the Pro game

would absolutely be shocked if we traded up for an OLB, including this guy...he may end up a major bust for a 3-4 team

3rd round (v/Cleveland), #69: Florida WR Louis Murphy - 6'3" 203

Terrell Owen's clone, minus the hyper-active attitude, one of the draft's best deep threats, running a 4.32 40, along with a 1.48 10-yard dash at the Combine, and a 6.96 3-cone at his Pro Day, excels turning up field after he secures the football, flashes good hands

I dont want any WR from a spread offense.

4th round, #117: Pittsburgh ILB Scott McKillop - 6'1" 244

Heady inside LB who moves through blocks well, very capable player in coverage who uses a mix of great instincts and athletic ability (4.39 short-shuttle, 7.00 3-cone), explosive athlete (1.59 10-yard, 35.5" vertical, 9'11" broad-jump) and a secure tackler, 2-time All-American, and Big-East player of the year in '08, eventual replacement for Keith Brooking and nickel LB as a rookie

I like McKillop and he'd be good value in the 4th I think

5th round, #156: Furman OT Joel Bell - 6'7" 315

Small-school prospect with excellent height, long arms, strength, athleticism (4.57 short-shuttle), and explosion (1.69 10-yard, 30" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump), swing-tackle that is more suited to play LT than Pat McQuistan, immediately begins grooming to take over for Flozell Adams

I have this guy on my list as well...he could be a real sleeper

5th round (v/Tennessee), #166: Cincinnati CB DeAngelo Smith - 5'11" 194

Versatile defender, has played CB, FS and returned kicks, shared the National lead in INTs in '07 (8), and followed it up with a solid Senior season, snaring 2 INTs and breaking up 10 passes, physical player who fits the mold of the "star" player

not exciting, but he could be a good role player

5th round (Compensatory), #172: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill - 6'4, 329

Naturally strong player with good explosion (1.72 10-yard, 28" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump) and 1st step quickness, athletic, started at DE as a Senior, can play all, 3 line positions in the 3-4

I dont want anything to do with this guy...almost everything I've read on his is bad

6th round (Compensatory), #208: Maryland C Edwin Williams - 6'2" 308

High-effort, highly intelligent C with good athleticism, leader on the field, possesses a strong-hand punch, comfortable snapping out of the shot-gun

ok...my preference is someone who could play C&G, but cant complain much

7th round (v/Detroit), #210: BYU OG Rey Feinga - 6'4" 329

Huge, nimble OG able to move well laterally, 4-year starter, plays with a nastiness, strong hand-punch

ok...

7th round, #227: Utah CB Brice McCain - 5'9" 185

Not invited to the Combine, Brice posted a 4.33 40, 1.47 10-yard, 10'03" broad-jump and most impressively of all, a 3.99 20-yard shuttle at his Pro Day, comfortable playing in a man-cover scheme, despite not being thrown at much, he managed to break up 21 passes, and only picking off 3 passes his career, still managed to be voted 1st-team, All-MWC as a Senior

ok...

My biggest complaints would be no real safety prospect (and its a hole) and trading up for a major project at 3-4 OLB...he's never played there and didnt seem to show much of the skill set to play anything other than a pass rush role. Also as noted above, my opinion is any skill player from a spread offense is a likely NFL bust

[Bob Sacamano]

wouldnt be shocked if we moved up



would absolutely be shocked if we traded up for an OLB, including this guy...he may end up a major bust for a 3-4 team



I dont want any WR from a spread offense.



I like McKillop and he'd be good value in the 4th I think



I have this guy on my list as well...he could be a real sleeper



not exciting, but he could be a good role player



I dont want anything to do with this guy...almost everything I've read on his is bad



ok...my preference is someone who could play C&G, but cant complain much



ok...



ok...

My biggest complaints would be no real safety prospect (and its a hole) and trading up for a major project at 3-4 OLB...he's never played there and didnt seem to show much of the skill set to play anything other than a pass rush role. Also as noted above, my opinion is any skill player from a spread offense is a likely NFL bust

my thinking with English is that the 2 OLB positions are already set with Ware and Spencer, so we would just be drafting English to rush the passer, which he's very good at, and then we could put all 3 of them on the field at the same time too

just because a guy comes from a spread offense doesn't mean he's going to bust, Donnie Avery did pretty well as a rookie coming from a spread offense, Eddie Royal too, you can't teach a player to have his size and speed, we do have Ray Sherman too you know

[SLATEmosphere]

my thinking with English is that the 2 OLB positions are already set with Ware and Spencer, so we would just be drafting English to rush the passer, which he's very good at, and then we could put all 3 of them on the field at the same time too

just because a guy comes from a spread offense doesn't mean he's going to bust, Donnie Avery did pretty well as a rookie coming from a spread offense, Eddie Royal too, you can't teach a player to have his size and speed, we do have Ray Sherman too you know

He's a Florida reciever..therefore he's automatic garbage. Name one Florida receiver in that Florida scheme in the last 6-7 years that has actually done somthing in the NFL.

[Bob Sacamano]

He's a Florida reciever..therefore he's automatic garbage. Name one Florida receiver in that Florida scheme in the last 6-7 years that has actually done somthing in the NFL.

name a Western Michigan player whose done something in the NFL

Utah player...

matter of fact, let's stay away from all small-school players

[SLATEmosphere]

name a Western Michigan player whose done something in the NFL

Utah player...

matter of fact, let's stay away from all small-school players

Steve Smith and Eric Weddle.

LOL look at all the stud recievers coming out of Florida..there's a reason they suck in the NFL..the system doesn't translate to the NFL!

[Bob Sacamano]

Steve Smith and Eric Weddle.

LOL look at all the stud recievers coming out of Florida..there's a reason they suck in the NFL..the system doesn't translate to the NFL!

it's not the system, it's the players, again, you can't teach this type of size and speed

[SLATEmosphere]

I'm talking about a specific position at a specific school: WR at Florida..Jabar Gaffney,Andre Caldwell,Chad Jackson,Taylor Jacobs,Reche Caldwell,Travis Taylor were all harolded as much as Murphy is. All of them with the same talent,stats and measurable like Murphy..All of them busts and failed living up to expectations. It's because Florida's offense doesn't translate into the NFL and these kids are set back learning wise when they get into training camp.

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm talking about a specific position at a specific school: WR at Florida..Jabar Gaffney,Andre Caldwell,Chad Jackson,Taylor Jacobs,Reche Caldwell,Travis Taylor were all harolded as much as Murphy is. All of them with the same talent,stats and measurable like Murphy..All of them busts and failed living up to expectations. It's because Florida's offense doesn't translate into the NFL and these kids are set back learning wise when they get into training camp.

this isn't Steve Spurrier's fun-and-gun offense anymore, so going through the whole history of players who don't even play in the same offense is kind of dumb

[big dog cowboy]

We have done well with some picks in the 100's recently. Choice was 122, Scandrick 140 something just last year. Barber, Canty and Bradie were all also picks in the 100's for us the last few years.

Good think we pick six times in the 100's then.

[BAT]

I think many are underrating English. English was a productive double digit sack guy for consecutive seasons, unlike Spencer (who had ONE breakout year). English is also more explosive (and agile) than Spencer, watch the film (English is better than Spencer at rushing the passer AND in coverage, or compare the tests for explosiveness_English blew Spencer away on both the vertical (36" to 32") and the 20 yard shuttle, and they both posted the same numbers at 10 yards. The 40 times are overrated, especially if a player does not have long speed, but has great burst.


English is more comparable to Lamar Woodley (who also had slow 40's), but was more explosive and agile, not to mention consistently productive.


I do not mind the English pick, I just don't think I would trade all those picks to get him. At 51, he is better than Sintim IMO.

[big dog cowboy]

Safety isn't a position we draft this year?

Hmmmmmmm.

[dmoore]

name a Western Michigan player whose done something in the NFL

Utah player...

matter of fact, let's stay away from all small-school players

Greg Jennings, Tony Scheffler. Tim Hiller will be a top 5 QB next year. WMU has some legit players.

Anyways, I agree with you about Florida WRs. I don't really care what system there in, just if they pass the eye test. Murphy did that. He's a playmaker, and if he was on a team that wasn't full of insane talent he would have stood out.

[dbair1967]

I think many are underrating English. English was a productive double digit sack guy for consecutive seasons, unlike Spencer (who had ONE breakout year). English is also more explosive (and agile) than Spencer, watch the film (English is better than Spencer at rushing the passer AND in coverage, or compare the tests for explosiveness_English blew Spencer away on both the vertical (36" to 32") and the 20 yard shuttle, and they both posted the same numbers at 10 yards. The 40 times are overrated, especially if a player does not have long speed, but has great burst.


English is more comparable to Lamar Woodley (who also had slow 40's), but was more explosive and agile, not to mention consistently productive.


I do not mind the English pick, I just don't think I would trade all those picks to get him. At 51, he is better than Sintim IMO.

I think you are grossly shortchanging Spencer, and overrating English. I'm not a Big 10 fan, but the level of comp there is much higher than anyting English has seen consistently. Virtually every good Big 10 OT said Spencer was the toughest guy they had to block.

[SLATEmosphere]

I think you are grossly shortchanging Spencer, and overrating English. I'm not a Big 10 fan, but the level of comp there is much higher than anyting English has seen consistently. Virtually every good Big 10 OT said Spencer was the toughest guy they had to block.

That isn't very good logic. Ware and Osi played at Troy..not the best competition over there.

[BAT]

I think you are grossly shortchanging Spencer, and overrating English. I'm not a Big 10 fan, but the level of comp there is much higher than anyting English has seen consistently. Virtually every good Big 10 OT said Spencer was the toughest guy they had to block.

A one year wonder, regardless if it is Big 10 or USA, is still a ONE YEAR WONDER.


My comments on his explosiveness are real, look it up.

[Bob Sacamano]

I think you are grossly shortchanging Spencer, and overrating English. I'm not a Big 10 fan, but the level of comp there is much higher than anyting English has seen consistently. Virtually every good Big 10 OT said Spencer was the toughest guy they had to block.

the MAC is a pretty good conference, it's not the SEC, but neither is the Big10

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Well.....your the 1st guy not taking Johny Knox

I thought it was a rule.

[dbair1967]

That isn't very good logic. Ware and Osi played at Troy..not the best competition over there.

but Ware and Osi are eons better athletes too

[dbair1967]

[QUOTE]A one year wonder, regardless if it is Big 10 or USA, is still a ONE YEAR WONDER.

Where'd you ever get the idea he was a 1yr wonder? He started every game he played the last 3yrs he was at Purdue, he had 9.5 TFL and 7.5 sacks, 6 batted balls his first yr as starter, 7.5 sacks the next yr and then had a huge SR yr. He got better eveyr yr, that doesnt make him a "1yr wonder"


My comments on his explosiveness are real, look it up.

I did...and it says "can be engulfed by big bodies, lacks core strength, struggles to convert quickness to power, does not play violently, does not show many counter moves, needs to improve lower body strength, has suffered a variety of injuries in his career"..."Scouts who do not like him point to his lack of size, explosiveness and pass rush variety and his inability to produce against better comp"

[BAT]

[QUOTE=BAT;2701912]

Where'd you ever get the idea he was a 1yr wonder? He started every game he played the last 3yrs he was at Purdue, he had 9.5 TFL and 7.5 sacks, 6 batted balls his first yr as starter, 7.5 (actually he had 7.5 TFL and only 3 sacks in 2005) sacks the next yr and then had a huge SR yr. He got better eveyr yr, that doesnt make him a "1yr wonder"

He was a one year wonder, b/c prior to 2006 his production was not noteworthy (single digit sacks, single digit TFL), and certainly not first round worthy. In 2006, Spencer broke out w/26 TFL and 10 sacks. 2006 was his year of wonder.


I did...and it says "can be engulfed by big bodies, lacks core strength, struggles to convert quickness to power, does not play violently, does not show many counter moves, needs to improve lower body strength, has suffered a variety of injuries in his career"..."Scouts who do not like him point to his lack of size, explosiveness and pass rush variety and his inability to produce against better comp"

Did not look up his prospect analysis, but that works too.

[Bob Sacamano]

mock w/o trade, just because a team wants to trade up or down, doesn't mean it will happen, as you need two teams to tango

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2nd round, #51: Ohio State OLB Marcus Freeman - 6'1" 239

reminds me of Michael Boley: fast, slick athlete with fastest times of 4.51 40, 1.55 10-yard, 4.08 short-shuttle, 6.66 3-cone, also put up 30 reps on the bench, and had a 37" vertical and 9'05" long-jump, in addition to the measurables he's a smart player with good speed and awareness in coverage, excellent special team's player, plays through pain

3rd round (from Cleveland), #69: Virginia Tech CB Victor Harris

4th round (from Detroit), #101: Alabama C Antoine Caldwell

4th round, #117: Rice WR Jarrett Dillard

5th round, #156: Georgia Tech DT Vance Walker

5th round (from Tennessee), #166: TCU ILB Jason Phillips

5th round (Compensatory), #172: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill

6th round (from Miami), #197: Mississippi State SS Keith Fitzhugh

6th round (Compensatory), #208: Illinois DE Derek Walker

7th round (from Detroit), #210: Fresno State TE Bear Pascoe

7th round, #227: Utah CB Brice McCain

[Sasquatch]

mock w/o trade, just because a team wants to trade up or down, doesn't mean it will happen, as you need two teams to tango

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2nd round, #51: Ohio State OLB Marcus Freeman - 6'1" 239

reminds me of Michael Boley: fast, slick athlete with fastest times of 4.51 40, 1.55 10-yard, 4.08 short-shuttle, 6.66 3-cone, also put up 30 reps on the bench, and had a 37" vertical and 9'05" long-jump, in addition to the measurables he's a smart player with good speed and awareness in coverage, excellent special team's player, plays through pain

3rd round (from Cleveland), #69: Virginia Tech CB Victor Harris

4th round (from Detroit), #101: Alabama C Antoine Caldwell

4th round, #117: Rice WR Jarrett Dillard

5th round, #156: Georgia Tech DT Vance Walker

5th round (from Tennessee), #166: TCU ILB Jason Phillips

5th round (Compensatory), #172: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill

6th round (from Miami), #197: Mississippi State SS Keith Fitzhugh

6th round (Compensatory), #208: Illinois DE Derek Walker

7th round (from Detroit), #210: Fresno State TE Bear Pascoe

7th round, #227: Utah CB Brice McCain

I actually like this one a bit better but, I'm curious, is there an underlying logic or strategy to your drafts, which vary significantly, or are your selections dictated purely by opportunity and the rising/falling stock of players?

[Bob Sacamano]

I actually like this one a bit better but, I'm curious, is there an underlying logic or strategy to your drafts, which vary significantly, or are your selections dictated purely by opportunity and the rising/falling stock of players?

my strategy is very simple, rating (courtesy of NFLDS), BPA and then need are considered

[Vintage]

You say Boley... I say interesting.

[Bob Sacamano]

You say Boley... I say interesting.

it makes you raise an eyebrow or two

[DaBoys4Life]

again using PFT's trade-value chart, http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/ we trade to Oakland, picks #51, #101, and #197, and move up to pick #40

2nd round, #40(v/Oakland): Northern Illinois DE Larry English - 6'2, 255

Explosive edge-rusher (36" vertical) takes over Greg Ellis' role as 3rd down pass-rushing threat, Wade Phillips re-introduced the 46 last year, and this year he can introduce the 3-3-5 to the Pro game

3rd round (v/Cleveland), #69: Florida WR Louis Murphy - 6'3" 203

Terrell Owen's clone, minus the hyper-active attitude, one of the draft's best deep threats, running a 4.32 40, along with a 1.48 10-yard dash at the Combine, and a 6.96 3-cone at his Pro Day, excels turning up field after he secures the football, flashes good hands

4th round, #117: Pittsburgh ILB Scott McKillop - 6'1" 244

Heady inside LB who moves through blocks well, very capable player in coverage who uses a mix of great instincts and athletic ability (4.39 short-shuttle, 7.00 3-cone), explosive athlete (1.59 10-yard, 35.5" vertical, 9'11" broad-jump) and a secure tackler, 2-time All-American, and Big-East player of the year in '08, eventual replacement for Keith Brooking and nickel LB as a rookie

5th round, #156: Furman OT Joel Bell - 6'7" 315

Small-school prospect with excellent height, long arms, strength, athleticism (4.57 short-shuttle), and explosion (1.69 10-yard, 30" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump), swing-tackle that is more suited to play LT than Pat McQuistan, immediately begins grooming to take over for Flozell Adams

5th round (v/Tennessee), #166: Cincinnati CB DeAngelo Smith - 5'11" 194

Versatile defender, has played CB, FS and returned kicks, shared the National lead in INTs in '07 (8), and followed it up with a solid Senior season, snaring 2 INTs and breaking up 10 passes, physical player who fits the mold of the "star" player

5th round (Compensatory), #172: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill - 6'4, 329

Naturally strong player with good explosion (1.72 10-yard, 28" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump) and 1st step quickness, athletic, started at DE as a Senior, can play all, 3 line positions in the 3-4

6th round (Compensatory), #208: Maryland C Edwin Williams - 6'2" 308

High-effort, highly intelligent C with good athleticism, leader on the field, possesses a strong-hand punch, comfortable snapping out of the shot-gun

7th round (v/Detroit), #210: BYU OG Rey Feinga - 6'4" 329

Huge, nimble OG able to move well laterally, 4-year starter, plays with a nastiness, strong hand-punch

7th round, #227: Utah CB Brice McCain - 5'9" 185

Not invited to the Combine, Brice posted a 4.33 40, 1.47 10-yard, 10'03" broad-jump and most impressively of all, a 3.99 20-yard shuttle at his Pro Day, comfortable playing in a man-cover scheme, despite not being thrown at much, he managed to break up 21 passes, and only picking off 3 passes his career, still managed to be voted 1st-team, All-MWC as a Senior

Fine

Orgasmic.

[Bob Sacamano]

.lol.

[Bigtommyb]

again using PFT's trade-value chart, http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/ we trade to Oakland, picks #51, #101, and #197, and move up to pick #40

2nd round, #40(v/Oakland): Northern Illinois DE Larry English - 6'2, 255

Explosive edge-rusher (36" vertical) takes over Greg Ellis' role as 3rd down pass-rushing threat, Wade Phillips re-introduced the 46 last year, and this year he can introduce the 3-3-5 to the Pro game

3rd round (v/Cleveland), #69: Florida WR Louis Murphy - 6'3" 203

Terrell Owen's clone, minus the hyper-active attitude, one of the draft's best deep threats, running a 4.32 40, along with a 1.48 10-yard dash at the Combine, and a 6.96 3-cone at his Pro Day, excels turning up field after he secures the football, flashes good hands

4th round, #117: Pittsburgh ILB Scott McKillop - 6'1" 244

Heady inside LB who moves through blocks well, very capable player in coverage who uses a mix of great instincts and athletic ability (4.39 short-shuttle, 7.00 3-cone), explosive athlete (1.59 10-yard, 35.5" vertical, 9'11" broad-jump) and a secure tackler, 2-time All-American, and Big-East player of the year in '08, eventual replacement for Keith Brooking and nickel LB as a rookie

5th round, #156: Furman OT Joel Bell - 6'7" 315

Small-school prospect with excellent height, long arms, strength, athleticism (4.57 short-shuttle), and explosion (1.69 10-yard, 30" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump), swing-tackle that is more suited to play LT than Pat McQuistan, immediately begins grooming to take over for Flozell Adams

5th round (v/Tennessee), #166: Cincinnati CB DeAngelo Smith - 5'11" 194

Versatile defender, has played CB, FS and returned kicks, shared the National lead in INTs in '07 (8), and followed it up with a solid Senior season, snaring 2 INTs and breaking up 10 passes, physical player who fits the mold of the "star" player

5th round (Compensatory), #172: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill - 6'4, 329

Naturally strong player with good explosion (1.72 10-yard, 28" vertical, 9'01" broad-jump) and 1st step quickness, athletic, started at DE as a Senior, can play all, 3 line positions in the 3-4

6th round (Compensatory), #208: Maryland C Edwin Williams - 6'2" 308

High-effort, highly intelligent C with good athleticism, leader on the field, possesses a strong-hand punch, comfortable snapping out of the shot-gun

7th round (v/Detroit), #210: BYU OG Rey Feinga - 6'4" 329

Huge, nimble OG able to move well laterally, 4-year starter, plays with a nastiness, strong hand-punch

7th round, #227: Utah CB Brice McCain - 5'9" 185

Not invited to the Combine, Brice posted a 4.33 40, 1.47 10-yard, 10'03" broad-jump and most impressively of all, a 3.99 20-yard shuttle at his Pro Day, comfortable playing in a man-cover scheme, despite not being thrown at much, he managed to break up 21 passes, and only picking off 3 passes his career, still managed to be voted 1st-team, All-MWC as a Senior

Fine


This is mock draft 3.0 addition
2 - Ron Brace - BC/NT - 6'3 333lbs. If he is gone - Patrick Chung -ORE/S - 5 11 3/4 210.
3 - Tyrone Mckenzie - S.FL/OLB - 6'1 243lbs - Put him on the inside and he has good cover skills,ie, poss 3rd down option.
3 - I would acquire this pick by trading a 4th and 5th rounder to get another late in the third. With this pick i pick Kevin Ellison - USC/S - 6'2 225 lbs.
4 - Zach Follett -CAL/OLB - 6'2 240lbs, Put him on inside also, manly because he is better in a box then in space, also ST.
5 - Demetrius Byrd - LSU/WR - 6'0 200lbs 4.4 speed
5 - Ray Feing - BYU/OG - 6'4 330.
6 - Khalif Mitchell - E.CAR/DT,DE - 6'5 317 LBS ,He is a project possibly catch lightning in a botle?
6 - Chris Pressley -WIS/FB - 6'1 259lbs. He is a punishing blocker, but not a great pass catcher. Someone who will excell at his role? Not A FAN OF D.ANDERSON.
7 - Thomas Morestead - SMU/P - 6'4 225LBS, With the uncertainty of whether McBRIAR comes back at 100%?
7 - Mike Goodson - T.A&M/RB - 6'0 212, FAST GUY. SPECIAL TEAMS?
I still pick Ellison because if we get Brace then we can have our saftey too. However, if we get Chung we can sure up that position for the future with these two, because it has been a problem position for three years? Mckenzie,Folett gives us what we need, insurance if Brookins doesn't hold up,and Mckenzie takes Burnett's 3rd down job. Byrd is our deep threat,as i am not comfortable going to early for Wr. It is time to see what we have with the young guys here? D.Ander., enough said, Pressley is a punishing blocker. Mitchell or Goodson is a wait and see,not really important,while Morestead is our insurance? What do you think?