Obama: A Real American Idol

[Cajuncowboy]

We can't even watch a stupid TV show without this garbage being pushed down our throats.

First Lil Rounds last night cheerfully claimed "Obama Number 1".

Then tonight Stevie Wonder has to slip in, in the middle of one of his songs, "I love you Barack Obama!"

What is Stevie That you love? That he is going to bankrupt our children and our grandchildren? Or maybe the fact that he is going to socialize the medical industry? Or maybe you just love the way he rapidly selling America to the Chinese. Could that be it?

Please tell us Stevie, what exactly do you love?

Can't these people just shut up and sing???

Stupid freakin' people. :bang2:

[ajk23az]

They love him because he is the 1st African American president. They don't care that he is paving the way for socialism to succeed.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I watched his Town meeting tonight. He really is gifted in how he relates to an audiance. I mean, all the questions were loaded so he got nothing difficult or anything that would reflect anything that was not Left but still and all, he does have a gift.

Unfortunate that people seldom listen and think about what is being said as opposed to just glazing on the surface stuff.

[Franchise3384]

I couldn't agree more.. What is it with these hardheaded people who still support what this moron is doing?:bang2: Thanks to President Obama we will be able to witness the fall of a world super power (USA).... And the rise of a new world super power (China).

China is pouring more and more money into their military, while we want to do the complete opposite and take money away. Obama is too busy ****ing destroying our economy to worry about our foreign policies anyway. Obama will go hands down as the worst President in American History. He will be known as the one that allowed let the Great Empire of the United States collapse into a third world socialist nation.

Ohh and for all of you who voted for Obama. Thanks to you... Us the young Americans 18-35 our children and our childrens children will be calling someone from China "Boss". People have no idea what this man is doing right now. He talks to the American people like we are idiots. BUt then again we did vote him into office........hmmm. Maybe we are doomed. :(

[tyke1doe]

Ah, free speech. You gotta love it. :)

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ah, free speech. You gotta love it. :)

Indeed. I just listened to the President do his rendition. I know for a fact that much of what he said was not true but he is very engaging.

[Cajuncowboy]

Ah, free speech. You gotta love it. :)

That's all well and good, but enough is enough of this crap. He's got to be one of the worst things this country has seen as a president in decades. But Oh the love that is crammed down our throats.

[DragonCowboy]

That's all well and good, but enough is enough of this crap. He's got to be one of the worst things this country has seen as a president in decades. But Oh the love that is crammed down our throats.

Yeah, you're not biased at all, huh? :rolleyes:

[Beast_from_East]

I couldn't agree more.. What is it with these hardheaded people who still support what this moron is doing?:bang2: Thanks to President Obama we will be able to witness the fall of a world super power (USA).... And the rise of a new world super power (China).

China is pouring more and more money into their military, while we want to do the complete opposite and take money away. Obama is too busy ****ing destroying our economy to worry about our foreign policies anyway. Obama will go hands down as the worst President in American History. He will be known as the one that allowed let the Great Empire of the United States collapse into a third world socialist nation.

Ohh and for all of you who voted for Obama. Thanks to you... Us the young Americans 18-35 our children and our childrens children will be calling someone from China "Boss". People have no idea what this man is doing right now. He talks to the American people like we are idiots. BUt then again we did vote him into office........hmmm. Maybe we are doomed. :(

Wow, we are all doomed because of Obama???


Gallup has Obama's approval # at 62% today.


I guess us 69 million Americans that voted for Obama are all brainwashed because I think he is doing a great job and I will vote for him again in 2012 when he runs for re-election.

EDIT.......No need to flame, I know all you guys on here are mostly Republicans, this is just my personal opinion.

[ethiostar]

All bipartisanship aside, I can't believe you're getting all riled up because two singers said his name. Like you don't have enough issues to pick with him.

[Cajuncowboy]

Yeah, you're not biased at all, huh? :rolleyes:

Oh, sure I'm biased. When did I ever say I wasn't? What's that got to do with the this crap being shoved down our throats?

[Cajuncowboy]

All bipartisanship aside, I can't believe you're getting all riled up because two singers said his name. Like you don't have enough issues to pick with him.

Because I can't even watch a show that has NOTHING to do with this moron but yet I have to listen to these morons "spreading the love" for a guy who is driving our country into the ground. And my issue wasn't with Obummer, but with the twits who can't seem to do their job without injecting their political bent on it.

[trickblue]

I watched his Town meeting tonight. He really is gifted in how he relates to an audiance. I mean, all the questions were loaded so he got nothing difficult or anything that would reflect anything that was not Left but still and all, he does have a gift.

Unfortunate that people seldom listen and think about what is being said as opposed to just glazing on the surface stuff.

Style over substance. America has been heading this way for years in many aspects of our lives, especially politics...

[BrAinPaiNt]

Because I can't even watch a show that has NOTHING to do with this moron but yet I have to listen to these morons "spreading the love" for a guy who is driving our country into the ground. And my issue wasn't with Obummer, but with the twits who can't seem to do their job without injecting their political bent on it.

Must suck to have to listen to some black people who are happy. I mean that is all they were doing.

[trickblue]

Wow, we are all doomed because of Obama???


Gallup has Obama's approval # at 62% today.


I guess us 69 million Americans that voted for Obama are all brainwashed because I think he is doing a great job and I will vote for him again in 2012 when he runs for re-election.

EDIT.......No need to flame, I know all you guys on here are mostly Republicans, this is just my personal opinion.

Zogby has his approval at 49%

Pick your poll I guess...

[TheCount]

Some of you guys need diaries, the crying and moaning is a tired act.

May I recommend:

http://www.generalstore.co.nz/images/products/large/630544bg.jpg

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wow, we are all doomed because of Obama???


Gallup has Obama's approval # at 62% today.


I guess us 69 million Americans that voted for Obama are all brainwashed because I think he is doing a great job and I will vote for him again in 2012 when he runs for re-election.

EDIT.......No need to flame, I know all you guys on here are mostly Republicans, this is just my personal opinion.


My personal opinion is a bit differenent. So yeah, I suppose you may be right. Perhaps all 69 million of you were brainwashed. Who can say.

As for me, I'm just hopeful we make it to 2012. Then we'll see.

[Doomsday101]

Some of you guys need diaries, the crying and moaning is a tired act.

May I recommend:

http://www.generalstore.co.nz/images/products/large/630544bg.jpg

Tired act? only around 60 days, the 8 years of crying and moaning was a tired act.

[TheCount]

Tired act? only around 60 days, the 8 years of crying and moaning was a tired act.

Good to see you consider yourself on par with those that moaned for 8 years. Way to rise above.

Silly me, feel free to continue the crying and bed wetting.

[Cajuncowboy]

Must suck to have to listen to some black people who are happy. I mean that is all they were doing.

Oh give me a break! :rolleyes:

Unless you are saying they are happy that a black man is in office and there is no substance behind their allegiance. In other words, we love him because he is black. I give them a bit more credit than that.

[Cajuncowboy]

Some of you guys need diaries, the crying and moaning is a tired act.

May I recommend:

http://www.generalstore.co.nz/images/products/large/630544bg.jpg

May I suggest to you another helping of...

http://www.iguanabio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kool-aidman_t.png

[ABQCOWBOY]

Good to see you consider yourself on par with those that moaned for 8 years. Way to rise above.

Silly me, feel free to continue the crying and bed wetting.


You get what you give Count. The Left was much worse. You couldn't change a channel without hearing about GW how bad he sucked. I'd imagine it will get much worse before it ever gets any better.

The Pendulum continues to swing.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oh give me a break! :rolleyes:

Unless you are saying they are happy that a black man is in office and there is no substance behind their allegiance. In other words, we love him because he is black. I give them a bit more credit than that.

I think many black people are happy and proud that a black man became president. Not so hard to fathom really.

Now I know you are so disgusted that a democrat is in office, but that does not mean everyone is.

I also doubt you would be so upset if it was a republican and a contestant or singer expressed the same sentiments as these guys did.

Geeze...seriously you need some valium or something.

Good grief.

[TheCount]

May I suggest to you another helping of...

http://www.iguanabio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kool-aidman_t.png

:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

Yeah I've drank the cool-aid because I don't cry about Presidents. Go ahead and find record of me complaining about Bush while he was in office. Let us all know what you find.

You get what you give Count. The Left was much worse. You couldn't change a channel without hearing about GW how bad he sucked. I'd imagine it will get much worse before it ever gets any better.

The Pendulum continues to swing.

Nice story, but I didn't "give" anything. Then again you are right in that I'm sure there are plenty of conservatives that unlike some of the windbags on here, don't consider it their sacred duty to moan everytime someone says they love a President they didn't vote for.

[Phrozen Phil]

I couldn't agree more.. What is it with these hardheaded people who still support what this moron is doing?:bang2: Thanks to President Obama we will be able to witness the fall of a world super power (USA).... And the rise of a new world super power (China).

China is pouring more and more money into their military, while we want to do the complete opposite and take money away. Obama is too busy ****ing destroying our economy to worry about our foreign policies anyway. Obama will go hands down as the worst President in American History. He will be known as the one that allowed let the Great Empire of the United States collapse into a third world socialist nation.
Ohh and for all of you who voted for Obama. Thanks to you... Us the young Americans 18-35 our children and our childrens children will be calling someone from China "Boss". People have no idea what this man is doing right now. He talks to the American people like we are idiots. BUt then again we did vote him into office........hmmm. Maybe we are doomed. :(

Great Empire? Is that what this is about? :confused:

[Cajuncowboy]

I think many black people are happy and proud that a black man became president. Not so hard to fathom really.

Now I know you are so disgusted that a democrat is in office, but that does not mean everyone is.

I also doubt you would be so upset if it was a republican and a contestant or singer expressed the same sentiments as these guys did.

Geeze...seriously you need some valium or something.

Good grief.

I doubt any signer would do that who had those beliefs if they were conservative.

But maybe you can take a sip from The Counts glass if you are thirsty.

You may need to wash down the Valium.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I doubt any signer would do that who had those beliefs if they were conservative.

But maybe you can take a sip from The Counts glass if you are thirsty.

You may need to wash down the Valium.

Maybe you need to realize that just because you don't like one politician that it does not automatically mean you vote and support another.

I know that is a hard concept to grasp for a closed mind.

And you, of all people, should not bring up sipping the koolaid after you have drank pitchers full of W flavor Koolaid over the years...OHHHH YEAHHH.:laugh1:

[Cajuncowboy]

:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

Yeah I've drank the cool-aid because I don't cry about Presidents. Go ahead and find record of me complaining about Bush while he was in office. Let us all know what you find.

With all of your leftist whining it doesn't take much to realize where you stand.

You are one of the sucked!

Nice story, but I didn't "give" anything. Then again you are right in that I'm sure there are plenty of conservatives that unlike some of the windbags on here, don't consider it their sacred duty to moan everytime someone says they love a President they didn't vote for.

And why is it the lefts sacred duty to do praise and worship whenever they get a mic in front of them?

Some people just want to hear music without all the BS. IS that so hard for you to comprehend?

[Cajuncowboy]

Maybe you need to realize that just because you don't like one politician that it does not automatically mean you vote and support another.

I know that is a hard concept to grasp for a closed mind.

And you, of all people, should not bring up sipping the koolaid after you have drank pitchers full of W flavor Koolaid over the years...OHHHH YEAHHH.:laugh1:

And you know I disagreed with Bush on several topics. If you think that's drinking the kool aid then you really are out there.

But you are on your little "The other guy" jihad again I see. Comfy slippers for you aren't they?

[BrAinPaiNt]

H-fc5os23mI

Change the michigan fight song to Obama's name and we have the same reactions of some in here.

[TheCount]

With all of your leftist whining it doesn't take much to realize where you stand.

You are one of the sucked!

My leftist whining? You're getting desperate now, keep swinging wildly, I'm sure you'll hit something eventually.


And why is it the lefts sacred duty to do praise and worship whenever they get a mic in front of them?

Some people just want to hear music without all the BS. IS that so hard for you to comprehend?

They. Like. The. President. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? For someone that's always going on and on about the freedoms of America being destroyed by Obama, you sure hate it when anyone exercises those freedoms by doing something you don't agree with.

If you want to hear music without the BS, might I recommend you purchase the CD?

[BrAinPaiNt]

And you know I disagreed with Bush on several topics. If you think that's drinking the kool aid then you really are out there.

But you are on your little "The other guy" jihad again I see. Comfy slippers for you aren't they?

You just keep on crying like a baby anytime you have to hear Obama's name. :laugh1:

Almighty procrastinator of There is no way he will win.:laugh1: :lmao:

[SuspectCorner]

Alarmist conservatives continue to race about the room with their hair on fire, screaming "Obama will socialize healthcare!" ... even when most indications are that the President's enthusiasm for it has been dampened and that we will not be moving to a single-payer system anytime soon - despite a majority of Americans seeming to be in favor of such a move.

From a March 5th CNN poll:

Seventy-two percent of those questioned in recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey say they favor increasing the federal government's influence over the country's health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans, with 27 percent opposing such a move. Other recent polls show six in 10 think the government should provide health insurance or take responsibility for providing health care to all Americans.


One would have to be pretty dense not see the huge problems with our current healthcare system... principally, the bloated tick on it's neck - the health insurance industry.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled irrational rant.

http://www.prwatch.org/node/8272

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/04/obama-will-have-single-pa_n_171994.html

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/03-15

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/05/poll-do-americans-want-government-health-care-reform/

[Cajuncowboy]

My leftist whining? You're getting desperate now, keep swinging wildly, I'm sure you'll hit something eventually.




They. Like. The. President. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? For someone that's always going on and on about the freedoms of America being destroyed by Obama, you sure hate it when anyone exercises those freedoms by doing something you don't agree with.

If you want to hear music without the BS, might I recommend you purchase the CD?

Obviously comprehension is a tough thing for you.

[Doomsday101]

Good to see you consider yourself on par with those that moaned for 8 years. Way to rise above.

Silly me, feel free to continue the crying and bed wetting.

I'm not I speak out when I disagree with the President be it Bush or Obama and when I agree I will say so as well. I support Obama and his willingness to increase the forces in Afghanistan and have said so. I have disagreed with Bush when it came to illegal immigration and his 700 Billion bailout plan. Bush basher went after him no matter the reason dating back to the 2000 election over Gore

[Cajuncowboy]

You just keep on crying like a baby anytime you have to hear Obama's name. :laugh1:

Almighty procrastinator of There is no way he will win.:laugh1: :lmao:

I see you didn't address where I called you on my so called kool aid drinking.

Nice avoidance.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I see you didn't address where I called you on my so called kool aid drinking.

Nice avoidance.

You complained on a few issues with W, by but a WIIIIIIIIIIDE margin you were so far up his backside you could see the knot in his tie. So please don't act like you were not. Or go on and act like you were not, it is funny watching you lie about it.

[Cajuncowboy]

Alarmist conservatives continue to race about the room with their hair on fire, screaming "Obama will socialize healthcare!" ... even when most indications are that the President's enthusiasm for it has been dampened and that we will not be moving to a single-payer system anytime soon - despite a majority of Americans seeming to be in favor of such a move.

From a March 5th CNN poll:

Seventy-two percent of those questioned in recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey say they favor increasing the federal government's influence over the country's health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans, with 27 percent opposing such a move. Other recent polls show six in 10 think the government should provide health insurance or take responsibility for providing health care to all Americans.


One would have to be pretty dense not see the huge problems with our current healthcare system... principally, the bloated tick on it's neck - the health insurance industry.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled irrational rant.

http://www.prwatch.org/node/8272

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/04/obama-will-have-single-pa_n_171994.html

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/03-15

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/05/poll-do-americans-want-government-health-care-reform/

:lmao2: @ the huffington post.

YEahhhhh, Boy!

[TheCount]

Obviously comprehension is a tough thing for you.

There, there now, lay down and wait for the 10 count.

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ihs/alex/23252sippycup_small2.jpg

I'm not I speak out when I disagree with the President be it Bush or Obama and when I agree I will say so as well. I support Obama and his willingness to increase the forces in Afghanistan and have said so. I have disagreed with Bush when it came to illegal immigration and his 700 Billion bailout plan. Bush basher went after him no matter the reason dating back to the 2000 election over Gore

I can respect that.

[Cajuncowboy]

You complained on a few issues with W, by but a WIIIIIIIIIIDE margin you were so far up his backside you could see the knot in his tie. So please don't act like you were not. Or go on and act like you were not, it is funny watching you lie about it.

So I agreed with a lot of his decisions. So what? When he was wrong I said so. Again, you don't know the definition of kool aid drinker. Obviously you just like to rant about what someone else did. You are such a political fence sitter, it's hilarious.

Again, you need to understand what it is you are talking about.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Alarmist conservatives continue to race about the room with their hair on fire, screaming "Obama will socialize healthcare!" ... even when most indications are that the President's enthusiasm for it has been dampened and that we will not be moving to a single-payer system anytime soon - despite a majority of Americans seeming to be in favor of such a move.

From a March 5th CNN poll:

Seventy-two percent of those questioned in recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey say they favor increasing the federal government's influence over the country's health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans, with 27 percent opposing such a move. Other recent polls show six in 10 think the government should provide health insurance or take responsibility for providing health care to all Americans.


One would have to be pretty dense not see the huge problems with our current healthcare system... principally, the bloated tick on it's neck - the health insurance industry.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled irrational rant.

http://www.prwatch.org/node/8272

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/04/obama-will-have-single-pa_n_171994.html

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/03-15

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/05/poll-do-americans-want-government-health-care-reform/


72% can say they are in favor of it but those 72% are casting votes based on an idea as opposed to factual information. Go ask England and see if 72% of those people like it.

If the results come back in the affirmative, then I would say that perhaps there is significance to those numbers.

[Cajuncowboy]

There, there now, lay down and wait for the 10 count.

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ihs/alex/23252sippycup_small2.jpg



Oh you are so funny. You have no substance but funny. Oh and did I mention witty? Geez, you have so much to bring to the table. You are a posting god. :rolleyes:

[BrAinPaiNt]

So I agreed with a lot of his decisions. So what? When he was wrong I said so. Again, you don't know the definition of kool aid drinker. Obviously you just like to rant about what someone else did. You are such a political fence sitter, it's hilarious.

Again, you need to understand what it is you are talking about.

:laugh1: :laugh1: Coming from you. :laugh1: :laugh1:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Whaaa...they said Obama's name and they like him.

Whaaaaaaa

[Cajuncowboy]

:laugh1: :laugh1: Coming from you. :laugh1: :laugh1:

Again, you were wrong when you said that about me and I proved it.

Laugh all you want. We'll be laughing at the "Other guy" guy.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Again, you were wrong when you said that about me and I proved it.

Laugh all you want. We'll be laughing at the "Other guy" guy.

No...I was not wrong. But you keep on thinking that. Waaaaa that Lil and Stevie Wonder said they liked Obama while I was watching the show.

I was so outraged by it I decided to start a thread about it.

I will show them.

:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

[Cajuncowboy]

Whaaa...they said Obama's name and they like him.

Whaaaaaaa

I guess the point is lost on you. I don't give a rip that they like the jerk. I just don't want to be subjected to it if I am watching a program that has nothing to do with politics.

You really have a narrow field of vision don't you? Are you and Count sharing a brain?

[Cajuncowboy]

No...I was not wrong. But you keep on thinking that. Waaaaa that Lil and Stevie Wonder said they liked Obama while I was watching the show.

I was so outraged by it I decided to start a thread about it.

I will show them.

:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

Sure you were. But whatever.

And again, you don't get it but it doesn't matter. I wasn't really directing the thread towards those of you who are in love with Obama anyway.

[TheCount]

I guess the point is lost on you. I don't give a rip that they like the jerk. I just don't want to be subjected to it if I am watching a program that has nothing to do with politics.

You really have a narrow field of vision don't you? Are you and Count sharing a brain?

Well I'd like to talk politics here without hearing you whine about every move the guy makes, guess we don't all get what we want, huh?

[BrAinPaiNt]

I guess the point is lost on you. I don't give a rip that they like the jerk. I just don't want to be subjected to it if I am watching a program that has nothing to do with politics.

You really have a narrow field of vision don't you? Are you and Count sharing a brain?

Whaaaa burn america idol singers whaaaa

[Cajuncowboy]

Well I'd like to talk politics here without hearing you whine about every move the guy makes, guess we don't all get what we want, huh?

SO why click on the link then and post all these post about it if you wanted that?

Disingenuous people are a dime a dozen.

[Cajuncowboy]

Whaaaa burn america idol singers whaaaa

No intelligent response. Figures.

[TheCount]

SO why click on the link then and post all these post about it if you wanted that?

Disingenuous people are a dime a dozen.

Oh boy, disingenuous? Now you've gone and hurt my feelings, mind if I take a sip from your sippy cup?

I can feel my eyes tearing up already. If someone says they love someone I don't love, I may lose it altogether and start a thread about it.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sure you were. But whatever.

And again, you don't get it but it doesn't matter. I wasn't really directing the thread towards those of you who are in love with Obama anyway.

Just because we don't feel your lunacy towards him does not mean we love him.

If I loved him I would have voted for him.

Yeah I get it...you are bummed because you have to hear his name by some singers on a tv show...booo freaking hooo. So incensed were you that you had to start a thread about it to show us all how it upsets you.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Crocker1.JPG

I was watching a tv show....sniff sniff...and they kept saying they liked or
loved Obama.
STOP IT...sniff sniff...STOP TALKING ABOUT OBUMMER.

[Cajuncowboy]

Oh boy, disingenuous? Now you've gone and hurt my feelings, mind if I take a sip from your sippy cup?

I can feel my eyes tearing up already. If someone says they love someone I don't love, I may lose it altogether and start a thread about it.

Look, another post from someone who doesn't want to post about this.

Will wonders never cease.

:lmao2:

Keep on keepin' on.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oh boy, disingenuous? Now you've gone and hurt my feelings, mind if I take a sip from your sippy cup?

I can feel my eyes tearing up already. If someone says they love someone I don't love, I may lose it altogether and start a thread about it.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/BrAinPaiNt/offended.jpg

[Cajuncowboy]

Just because we don't feel your lunacy towards him does not mean we love him.

If I loved him I would have voted for him.

Yeah I get it...you are bummed because you have to hear his name by some singers on a tv show...booo freaking hooo. So incensed were you that you had to start a thread about it to show us all how it upsets you.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Crocker1.JPG

I was watching a tv show....sniff sniff...and they kept saying they liked or
loved Obama.
STOP IT...sniff sniff...STOP TALKING ABOUT OBUMMER.

Well, it seems like you have nothing so you pull out that old pic. Not original or even substantive.

Predictable, but nothing else.

And I have seen threads created over much less. Sorry, I thought this was a political zone where we could talk about politics and how it relates to all things including pop culture. My bad.

[TheCount]

Look, another post from someone who doesn't want to post about this.

Will wonders never cease.

:lmao2:

Keep on keepin' on.

Are you punch-drunk? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well, it seems like you have nothing so you pull out that old pic. Not original or even substantive.

Predictable, but nothing else.

And I have seen threads created over much less. Sorry, I thought this was a political zone where we could talk about politics and how it relates to all things including pop culture. My bad.

It is a politcal zone and you can talk politics. But you can also be taken to task for what you post just like in any other thread.

You posted something where you were whining about people talking about Obummer. You got responses.

So you are thinking you would not get any negative responses to your little american idol temper tantrum?

Seriously?

[Hoofbite]

This thread is a classic.

[ZeroClub]

Whaaa...they said Obama's name and they like him.

Whaaaaaaa

Oh, Brain, you need to cut Cajun some slack.

He's got a lot on his plate.


http://spoopsworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/obamaplate0209081.jpg

[Doomsday101]

Oh, Brain, you need to cut Cajun some slack.

He's got a lot on his plate.


http://spoopsworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/obamaplate0209081.jpg

Ah 2 Presidents who lead this country into Civil War. :lmao2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

If cajun had that on his plate, he would lose a great deal of weight.

Hey, that is a good diet plan for him.:p:

[BrAinPaiNt]

This thread is a classic.

There is nothing classic or funny about this thread.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/BrAinPaiNt/RUE.jpg

[Joe Rod]

In summary; Cajun will not be voting for Lil Rounds

[TheCount]

If cajun had that on his plate, he would lose a great deal of weight.

Hey, that is a good diet plan for him.:p:

I almost wish I knew him so I could buy him one of those, the joy of watching him eat the food on the plate only to realize it was served up on the smiling mug of the man he despises above all others in the world would be priceless.

[DIAF]

I guess the point is lost on you. I don't give a rip that they like the jerk. I just don't want to be subjected to it if I am watching a program that has nothing to do with politics.

You really have a narrow field of vision don't you? Are you and Count sharing a brain?



Don't like it, don't watch it pal. Simple as that. I love how Cajun posts a thread/reply about every little thing Obama. Talk about being under someone's skin.

http://gunsightone.net/obamarage.GIF

[BrAinPaiNt]

In summary; Cajun will not be voting for Lil Rounds

That and Stevie Wonder is now a commie for liking Obama or a dummy for liking Obama.

I mean no way Stevie could just be proud of the first american president that was of the same race. No way that Stevie could love Obama because he met him and they got along. No...stevie is now either a commie sympathizer or a dummy.

You see it was not just outrage that these two brought up Obama on a show that had nothing to do with politics as he partially claimed. It is because said politician he brought up is a democrat named Obama. You can tell by his diatribe to Stevie that it played a big part in his being upset. I mean he is ranting to Stevie about liking Obama...like stevie can read these forums. I guess if he has a special computer, software or someone else that reads message boards for stevie he will never get the pearls of wisdom that cajun is spewing at him for loving Obama.

[SacredStar]

I couldn't agree more.. What is it with these hardheaded people who still support what this moron is doing?:bang2: Thanks to President Obama we will be able to witness the fall of a world super power (USA).... And the rise of a new world super power (China).

China is pouring more and more money into their military, while we want to do the complete opposite and take money away. Obama is too busy ****ing destroying our economy to worry about our foreign policies anyway. Obama will go hands down as the worst President in American History. He will be known as the one that allowed let the Great Empire of the United States collapse into a third world socialist nation.

Ohh and for all of you who voted for Obama. Thanks to you... Us the young Americans 18-35 our children and our childrens children will be calling someone from China "Boss". People have no idea what this man is doing right now. He talks to the American people like we are idiots. BUt then again we did vote him into office........hmmm. Maybe we are doomed. :(

Oh the drama.

If you have not noticed, our economy was destroyed before Obama took office and Bush has already established his place as the worst US President in history. It would be extremely hard for anyone to knock him out of that prestigious spot he put himself in.

And yes, I voted for Obama, as did the majority of this nation. Have we already forgotten how Bush has destroyed the reputation and respect our country had?

Give it time.....too many people expecting too much, too soon.

[Phrozen Phil]

There is nothing classic or funny about this thread.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/BrAinPaiNt/RUE.jpg

What is it with you and cats? BTW, this thread is funny. Pope Happycat says so.

[BrAinPaiNt]

What is it with you and cats? BTW, this thread is funny. Pope Happycat says so.

I am a male...I like p...uh cats. :p:

[DIAF]

Pope Happycat says so.

offensive!

An affront to people of faith, IMO!

[BrAinPaiNt]

offensive!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/BrAinPaiNt/LolCatRenderer-23.jpg

[WoodysGirl]

That and Stevie Wonder is now a commie for liking Obama or a dummy for liking Obama.

I mean no way Stevie could just be proud of the first american president that was of the same race. No way that Stevie could love Obama because he met him and they got along. No...stevie is now either a commie sympathizer or a dummy.

You see it was not just outrage that these two brought up Obama on a show that had nothing to do with politics as he partially claimed. It is because said politician he brought up is a democrat named Obama. You can tell by his diatribe to Stevie that it played a big part in his being upset. I mean he is ranting to Stevie about liking Obama...like stevie can read these forums. I guess if he has a special computer, software or someone else that reads message boards for stevie he will never get the pearls of wisdom that cajun is spewing at him for loving Obama.:lmao2:

[SuspectCorner]

72% can say they are in favor of it but those 72% are casting votes based on an idea as opposed to factual information. Go ask England and see if 72% of those people like it.

If the results come back in the affirmative, then I would say that perhaps there is significance to those numbers.

Just for starters - NOT ONE CITIZEN goes without healthcare in the UK. Here, roughly on-in-five WORKERS is uninsured - and that's just among the employed.

And while roughly 15% of those in the UK would like to see their healthcare system COMPLETELY revamped - MOST Americans feel similarly.

Highest per capita healthcare spending IN THE WORLD - yet 47 million are uninsured. Overall outcomes lagging well behind those of other developed countries. And costs projected to double over the next seven years.

A major overhaul just seem so inevitable - why not get started now?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Is it true that we are the only major industrialized nation with out universal health care? I have heard something along those lines but have never done the research so I was just curious.

For the record I am against Universal Health care...I was just curious about that.

[trickblue]

Just for starters - NOT ONE CITIZEN goes without healthcare in the UK. Here, roughly on-in-five WORKERS is uninsured - and that's just among the employed.

And while roughly 15% of those in the UK would like to see their healthcare system COMPLETELY revamped - MOST Americans feel similarly.

Highest per capita healthcare spending IN THE WORLD - yet 47 million are uninsured. Overall outcomes lagging well behind those of other developed countries. And costs projected to double over the next seven years.

A major overhaul just seem so inevitable - why not get started now?

There are not 47 million uninsured... period...

If you believe the numbers that the government puts out for it's own benefit, you are extremely gullible...

[BrAinPaiNt]

There are not 47 million uninsured... period...

If you believe the numbers that the government puts out for it's own benefit, you are extremely gullible...

What is the number?

I have read anywhere from 25 to 47 but I really don't know.

So do you know? Not being sarcastic or anything. Just want to know what the real number is.

[Sasquatch]

Is it true that we are the only major industrialized nation with out universal health care? I have heard something along those lines but have never done the research so I was just curious.

For the record I am against Universal Health care...I was just curious about that.

Here you go:

http://www.gadling.com/media/2007/07/healthcareworldbig.jpg

[SuspectCorner]

Is it true that we are the only major industrialized nation with out universal health care? I have heard something along those lines but have never done the research so I was just curious.

For the record I am against Universal Health care...I was just curious about that.

Just three, BP... Mexico (who was on the verge of going to single-payer when all heck broke loose there), I believe Turkey, and us - or US.

[trickblue]

What is the number?

I have read anywhere from 25 to 47 but I really don't know.

So do you know? Not being sarcastic or anything. Just want to know what the real number is.

It's hard to figure exactly how many, but when that number is thrown out it isn't taking into consideration many things...

This may help a bit...
It’s become a mantra that there are “47 million uninsured” Americans, a figure people use to back compulsory “universal” health insurance (http://www.patientpowernow.org/2008/03/25/universal-health-care-kills/) of some kind. Google found (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=52o&q=%2247+million+uninsured%22+site%3Adenverpost.com&btnG=Search) about fifty pages with the phrase on the Denver Post mentioned (http://www.jaredpolis.com/pdf/20060305_DailyCamera.pdf) 45 million, while Democrat Will Shafroth 50 million (http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/12/dark-horse-no-longer/). Sure, 47 million sounds significant, until you look at the details behind the numbers.
The website alone. Democrat Jared Polis has Investor’s Business Daily reports (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=273280379232127):The median household income, according to the data released this week, is $48,200. You might be surprised to discover that 38% of all the uninsured — that’s almost 18 million people — have incomes higher than $50,000 a year. An astounding 20% of all uninsured have incomes over $75,000. These are people who can afford coverage.
Is it really a good idea to tax working people to subsidize those who refuse to pay for a necessity they could easily buy? The answer, of course, is no.
The Census Bureau reports (http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-223.pdf) that “Spells without health insurance, measured on a monthly basis, tend to be short in duration — about three-quarters (74.7 percent) were over within 1 year.” The same study reports that 44% of spells without insurance lasted less than four months.

Further, HealthCareBS (http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/09/20/uninsured-increase-some-actual-facts/) pulls some choice observations from the Jeff Goldsmith at the Health Affairs blog (http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2007/09/13/the-uninsured-47-million-hostages-our-dysfunctional-health-policy-process/):Almost the entire increase in people without health insurance from 2005 to 2006 took place in families with incomes above $50,000.Two-thirds of the 2005-2006 increase was actually in families with incomes above $75,000!
The number of uninsured people in families whose incomes were below $25,000 actually declined by about 4%.
Now consider this question by economist Arnold Kling:Question: How many American families have proper health insurance?
a) over 90 percent.
b) between 80 and 90 percent.
c) between 10 and 80 percent.
d) less than 10 percent.
Given that about 15 percent of American families do not have health insurance, the correct answer would appear to be (b). However, in my opinion, the correct answer is (d).
To understand his position, read his article here (http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/01/08/arnold-kling/insulation-vs-insurance/).

Lacking insurance is nothing to trivialize. But the number of insured is not the problem itself, but the symptom of the main problem, government meddling in insurance and health care markets.

[SuspectCorner]

There are not 47 million uninsured... period...

If you believe the numbers that the government puts out for it's own benefit, you are extremely gullible...

trick, that figure seems to be the prevailing number. I'd be happy to look over anything you can provide that significantly disputes it.

According to factcheck.org, that number is close enough:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_many_of_the_uninsured_are_us.html

<looks like i posted right behind you - thanks for the links>

[Doomsday101]

So then please explain why so many from other countries come to the US for major life saving treatments? I was reading an article saying many come to the US for medical treatment including a young girl from New Zealand who is in need of a life saving transplant. Is that not offered in her home country where the parents said the only way their daughter could live is by coming to the US? People should be careful for what they wish for you just may get it at a cost you don't want.

[WoodysGirl]

So then please explain why so many from other countries come to the US for major life saving treatments? I was reading an article saying many come to the US for medical treatment including a young girl from New Zealand who is in need of a life saving transplant. Is that not offered in her home country where the parents said the only way their daughter could live is by coming to the US? People should be careful for what they wish for you just may get it at a cost you don't want.
Providing the best available medical care and being able to afford the best available medical care is two different things.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Providing the best available medical care and being able to afford the best available medical care is two different things.


The problem is, and I think it's been pretty well proven, is that under a Universal Health Care System, you get neither.

[Cajuncowboy]

It is a politcal zone and you can talk politics. But you can also be taken to task for what you post just like in any other thread.

You posted something where you were whining about people talking about Obummer. You got responses.

So you are thinking you would not get any negative responses to your little american idol temper tantrum?

Seriously?

Oh No. I figured the lunatics would have a problem with it. They didn't disappoint.

[Cajuncowboy]

I almost wish I knew him so I could buy him one of those, the joy of watching him eat the food on the plate only to realize it was served up on the smiling mug of the man he despises above all others in the world would be priceless.

Trust me, I'm not someone you want to know.

[DIAF]

Trust me, I'm not someone you want to know.

Hey, something everyone can agree on.

[Cajuncowboy]

That and Stevie Wonder is now a commie for liking Obama or a dummy for liking Obama.

I mean no way Stevie could just be proud of the first american president that was of the same race. No way that Stevie could love Obama because he met him and they got along. No...stevie is now either a commie sympathizer or a dummy.

You see it was not just outrage that these two brought up Obama on a show that had nothing to do with politics as he partially claimed. It is because said politician he brought up is a democrat named Obama. You can tell by his diatribe to Stevie that it played a big part in his being upset. I mean he is ranting to Stevie about liking Obama...like stevie can read these forums. I guess if he has a special computer, software or someone else that reads message boards for stevie he will never get the pearls of wisdom that cajun is spewing at him for loving Obama.

You see. Ignorant responses like that is what makes this forum special.

Stevie Wonder is one of my all time favs and still is. Which is why I was disappointed that he couldn't just sing the dang songs without putting his political spin on things.

[Cajuncowboy]

:lmao2:

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

:rolleyes:

[Doomsday101]

Providing the best available medical care and being able to afford the best available medical care is two different things.

I agree I think we need to do things to help reduce medical cost but we also need to be careful of putting so much on cost that we see a decrease in medical advancements and life saving treatments. I see no one talking about tort reform to help doctors lower their cost with malpractice insurance they are forced to carry. Heck we are a sue happy nation we sue at the drop of a hat yet in these other countries that have universal health care you don't see these massive law suit as you do in the US.

[WoodysGirl]

The problem is, and I think it's been pretty well proven, is that under a Universal Health Care System, you get neither.
I don't think that'll ever happen, but I do think there should be changes to the Healthcare insurance providers.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

:rolleyes:
I didn't realize it was the joke about Stevie reading was THAT funny. Must've tickled your funny bone.

I agree I think we need to do things to help reduce medical cost but we also need to be careful of putting so much on cost that we see a decrease in medical advancements and life saving treatments. I see no one talking about tort reform to help doctors lower their cost with malpractice insurance they are forced to carry. Heck we are a sue happy nation we sue at the drop of a hat yet in these other countries that have universal health care you don't see these massive law suit as you do in the US.
I think part malpractice insurance should be adjusted, but I think the way the healthcare insurance overall is quite expensive, in general.

[Doomsday101]

I think part malpractice insurance should be adjusted, but I think the way the healthcare insurance overall is quite expensive, in general.

I agree but I also know we have to allow so much for medical research and advancements. In 2007 there were 250 new drugs on the market and 200 came from the US including medications that save lives. We need to find a happy medium because I don't want a situation where we all have insurance but we all get poor treatment in return. I want to be able to see my doctor and if test are needed to go within a couple of days to have the test done not get put on a waiting list. I'm with you on trying to find ways to lower the cost but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water in the process

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think that'll ever happen, but I do think there should be changes to the Healthcare insurance providers.

I agree with you on that WG. I think that there does need to be some kind of regulation there but heck, I think all of the insurance industry needs to be looked at. It's rediculous how they have you over a barrel on that stuff. You have to buy car insurance but if you use it, they will screw you on it with none factory parts, sub standard work and then raise your rates. Housing insurance is a joke. It seems that there is no limit to how much it can be raised. Health insurance is even worse. They reject everything and then basically just fight with you until you get tired of fighting. It's crazy.

Honestly, I believe President Obama has Jihad declared on those guys because of what happened with his mother. I don't agree with it but I can't honestly say I blame him either. I don't know that I wouldn't feel the same damn way.

[Doomsday101]

I agree with you on that WG. I think that there does need to be some kind of regulation there but heck, I think all of the insurance industry needs to be looked at. It's rediculous how they have you over a barrel on that stuff. You have to buy car insurance but if you use it, they will screw you on it with none factory parts, sub standard work and then raise your rates. Housing insurance is a joke. It seems that there is no limit to how much it can be raised. Health insurance is even worse. They reject everything and then basically just fight with you until you get tired of fighting. It's crazy.

Honestly, I believe President Obama has Jihad declared on those guys because of what happened with his mother. I don't agree with it but I can't honestly say I blame him either. I don't know that I wouldn't feel the same damn way.

True but Americans have to take some responsibility. I know people who will sue a family member without any 2nd thought and when I asked him about it he said I'm not suing my mom I'm suing her insurance company. This kind of mindset has to change because it cost the rest of us in terms of rates. I saw an article once that said 60% of the world lawyers are here in the US. We can't continue to sue one another as we currently do because we all end up paying for it in the end.

[WoodysGirl]

I agree but I also know we have to allow so much for medical research and advancements. In 2007 there were 250 new drugs on the market and 200 came from the US including medications that save lives. We need to find a happy medium because I don't want a situation where we all have insurance but we all get poor treatment in return. I want to be able to see my doctor and if test are needed to go within a couple of days to have the test done not get put on a waiting list. I'm with you on trying to find ways to lower the cost but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water in the process

I agree with you on that WG. I think that there does need to be some kind of regulation there but heck, I think all of the insurance industry needs to be looked at. It's rediculous how they have you over a barrel on that stuff. You have to buy car insurance but if you use it, they will screw you on it with none factory parts, sub standard work and then raise your rates. Housing insurance is a joke. It seems that there is no limit to how much it can be raised. Health insurance is even worse. They reject everything and then basically just fight with you until you get tired of fighting. It's crazy.

Honestly, I believe President Obama has Jihad declared on those guys because of what happened with his mother. I don't agree with it but I can't honestly say I blame him either. I don't know that I wouldn't feel the same damn way.

I agree with both of you guys... And man, don't get me started on other insurance, ABQ. It's a constant battle to have a decent homeowner's insurance policy...especially when you close to the gulf. My premiums have doubled since I've lived in my home and I've only made one claim the whole time.

[MrMom]

Just because we don't feel your lunacy towards him does not mean we love him.

If I loved him I would have voted for him.

Yeah I get it...you are bummed because you have to hear his name by some singers on a tv show...booo freaking hooo. So incensed were you that you had to start a thread about it to show us all how it upsets you.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Crocker1.JPG

I was watching a tv show....sniff sniff...and they kept saying they liked or
loved Obama.
STOP IT...sniff sniff...STOP TALKING ABOUT OBUMMER.

:lmao2:


It's a wonder Cajun has any credibility in this political zone. I love his act, though. Highly entertaining.

[zrinkill]

Hey, something everyone can agree on.

Like the opinion of you?

[DIAF]

Like the opinion of you?

heh.


:)

[ABQCOWBOY]

True but Americans have to take some responsibility. I know people who will sue a family member without any 2nd thought and when I asked him about it he said I'm not suing my mom I'm suing her insurance company. This kind of mindset has to change because it cost the rest of us in terms of rates. I saw an article once that said 60% of the world lawyers are here in the US. We can't continue to sue one another as we currently do because we all end up paying for it in the end.

I understand what you are saying Dooms but I also think that it's rediculous to pass legislature forcing you to buy Insurance when you are essentially getting nothing out of it. Something has to change or your faced with a situation like we have now. Either we find a solution that works with the insurance issue or we have no room to complain on something as screwed up as Universal Health Care implimention.

[Cajuncowboy]

:lmao2:


It's a wonder Cajun has any credibility in this political zone. I love his act, though. Highly entertaining.

Because I speak the truth and it ruffles people feathers. Obviously like you.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree with both of you guys... And man, don't get me started on other insurance, ABQ. It's a constant battle to have a decent homeowner's insurance policy...especially when you close to the gulf. My premiums have doubled since I've lived in my home and I've only made one claim the whole time.

I hear you WG. I have to carry flood insurance, which is rediculously priced, and I live in New Mexico. I mean, give me a break!

[DIAF]

Because I speak the truth and it ruffles people feathers. Obviously like you.

Political zone sure is funny lately

[zrinkill]

It's a wonder Cajun has any credibility in this political zone. I love his act, though. Highly entertaining.

Actually Cajun is highly thought of on this forum.

He has an obvious mad-on for Obama ..... but he admits that.

Brain and Cajun go at each other like this all the time ..... they enjoy it.

I will say that Cajun is one of the most caring people I have met on this forum.

He is just an opinionated person, just like the rest of us, sometimes ..... :)

[Rackat]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7351/admiralackbar2jl1.jpg

[Joe Rod]

That was a nice dress that Lil Rounds was wearing the other night.

[Phrozen Phil]

The problem is, and I think it's been pretty well proven, is that under a Universal Health Care System, you get neither.

As one who has Universal Coverage, I'll be the first to say it's not perfect, but at least it's there. I don't know if it's possible to have that kind of coverage in the U.S., due to the nature of the State vs Federal governments, and due the nature of the Health Care industry in the U.S, but wouldn't it make sense to ensure that coverage was available to all?

[ABQCOWBOY]

As one who has Universal Coverage, I'll be the first to say it's not perfect, but at least it's there. I don't know if it's possible to have that kind of coverage in the U.S., due to the nature of the State vs Federal governments, and due the nature of the Health Care industry in the U.S, but wouldn't it make sense to ensure that coverage was available to all?

I am very much against Universal Health care because I don't believe we can afford this kind of change at this point in time. I am not certain how many people can be covered by this kind of model here in the US. I mean, the tax burden is already carried by a relatively small number of people. To place the responsability of this kind of coverage on them would, IMO, break there collective backs.

Aside from that, I don't love the kind of care you receive. I know that the first time my Mom or my Dad, my Wife or one of my kids doesn't get the kind of care I want them to, there will be problems.

[Vintage]

LOL at Iraq and Afghanistan having universal health care funded by our war effort.

If I was American and wanted universal health care, I'd be pissed as hell.


If I could actually trust the gov't to:
1. provide health care for all
2. make it less expensive than the current system
3. IMPROVE the quality of health care currently

Then I'd probably support it.

But seeing as how that's not going to happen.... its kind of hard to support it. Not to mention... its giving Democrats and Republicans more power, more money to spend, and in general, both sides do a lousy job.

[SuspectCorner]

It's hard to figure exactly how many, but when that number is thrown out it isn't taking into consideration many things...

This may help a bit...
It’s become a mantra that there are “47 million uninsured” Americans, a figure people use to back compulsory “universal” health insurance (http://www.patientpowernow.org/2008/03/25/universal-health-care-kills/) of some kind. Google found (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=52o&q=%2247+million+uninsured%22+site%3Adenverpost.com&btnG=Search) about fifty pages with the phrase on the Denver Post mentioned (http://www.jaredpolis.com/pdf/20060305_DailyCamera.pdf) 45 million, while Democrat Will Shafroth 50 million (http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/12/dark-horse-no-longer/). Sure, 47 million sounds significant, until you look at the details behind the numbers.
The website alone. Democrat Jared Polis has Investor’s Business Daily reports (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=273280379232127):The median household income, according to the data released this week, is $48,200. You might be surprised to discover that 38% of all the uninsured — that’s almost 18 million people — have incomes higher than $50,000 a year. An astounding 20% of all uninsured have incomes over $75,000. These are people who can afford coverage.
Is it really a good idea to tax working people to subsidize those who refuse to pay for a necessity they could easily buy? The answer, of course, is no.
The Census Bureau reports (http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-223.pdf) that “Spells without health insurance, measured on a monthly basis, tend to be short in duration — about three-quarters (74.7 percent) were over within 1 year.” The same study reports that 44% of spells without insurance lasted less than four months.

Further, HealthCareBS (http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/09/20/uninsured-increase-some-actual-facts/) pulls some choice observations from the Jeff Goldsmith at the Health Affairs blog (http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2007/09/13/the-uninsured-47-million-hostages-our-dysfunctional-health-policy-process/):Almost the entire increase in people without health insurance from 2005 to 2006 took place in families with incomes above $50,000.Two-thirds of the 2005-2006 increase was actually in families with incomes above $75,000!
The number of uninsured people in families whose incomes were below $25,000 actually declined by about 4%.
Now consider this question by economist Arnold Kling:Question: How many American families have proper health insurance?
a) over 90 percent.
b) between 80 and 90 percent.
c) between 10 and 80 percent.
d) less than 10 percent.
Given that about 15 percent of American families do not have health insurance, the correct answer would appear to be (b). However, in my opinion, the correct answer is (d).
To understand his position, read his article here (http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/01/08/arnold-kling/insulation-vs-insurance/).

Lacking insurance is nothing to trivialize. But the number of insured is not the problem itself, but the symptom of the main problem, government meddling in insurance and health care markets.

I agree with your assertion that the census bureau data isn't the end-all-be-all, but it's "close enough for government work". And if your saying every household lumped into those income groups can necessarily afford insurance - you take too much for granted. These are "households" - which tend to be more loosely defined than an "insurance purchasing unit". If you are 24 and live with your cousin and his girlfriend, and between the three you average $25K income apiece - you're considered a $75K household. But since neither of you is immediately related - you're also three separate insurance purchasing units. Unless you have employee insurance - it's "ouch" for you! And that may be the key here. Because, beyond that - it's the canary in the coal mine.

People, who aren't independently wealthy, don't want health insurance the way I don't want a Ferrari. When a $75-100K family can't afford insurance because they've got a kid or two in college, plus the mortgage, and their non-group rated premium is $1000/mo - it starts to hit home. Or if they opt not to carry the pricey policy any longer because the non-group insurers continue to stiff them with high copays or coverage denials to the point it actually becomes a semi-rational bet to go "naked".

Either way - they ARE uninsured and the number of 47MM prevails all over the place as the officially cited number. And has been estimated to rise 1.1MM for every additional 1% unemployment.

So the problem here is "government meddling"? Nothing to do with the skyrocketing costs, a p***-poorly managed private system, and the gouging, greedy, and merciless stiffs who run the healthcare insurance industry?

Well you're certainly true to your libertarian self. Or what ever the heck you were calling your political bent... :D

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/09/17/gvl10917.htm

http://healthcare.nationaljournal.com/2008/10/reform-2009.php

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/105772.php

[trickblue]

Good reply SC... but it truly is a matter of priority...

Health care can be afforded by most in this country...

Give up the $100+ cell bills... give up the DirecTV... drive a car you can afford...

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is just that... needs... not wants...

Most in this country could afford health insurance if they gave up luxuries...

[DaBoys4Life]

So out of 300 Million + ppl in America 47mill is uninsured and we need to national health care because of this?

[Phrozen Phil]

I am very much against Universal Health care because I don't believe we can afford this kind of change at this point in time. I am not certain how many people can be covered by this kind of model here in the US. I mean, the tax burden is already carried by a relatively small number of people. To place the responsability of this kind of coverage on them would, IMO, break there collective backs.

Aside from that, I don't love the kind of care you receive. I know that the first time my Mom or my Dad, my Wife or one of my kids doesn't get the kind of care I want them to, there will be problems.

You might be surprised at the level of care my family receives. As for the cost, that debate happens in any medical care system. As noted earlier, there is discussion on what treatments are available in what system. I haven't had difficulty in accessing what I need, and I can access a cardiologist or other specialist without difficulty. There is a cost in terms of public expense, and there's potential for abuse, but there are safeguards. As I mentioned earlier, it's more difficult to see how this would work in the U.S, but I would hope that some kind of compromise could happen so that people would not have to go bankrupt if they get sick.

[SuspectCorner]

So out of 300 Million + ppl in America 47mill is uninsured and we need to national health care because of this?

Hey, as long as it doesn't touch you it's not a problem, right?

Bet here. If the gov't were to take a "two-siloed" approach to healthcare and make single-payer universal coverage an option for all Americans - in five years most (if not all) private healthcare insurers will be out of business. It's extremely unlikely that they can compete with a single-payer system on an efficiency basis when it comes to cost and delivery of care. Americans will migrate over to the universal silo in droves.

For those less self-absorbed, don't wait on Obama for this change, it'll be watered down to uselessness - back HR 676.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=why_health_insurance_doesnt_work

http://healthcare.change.org/blog?category_id=27576

http://www.politicalinaction.com/2008/11/universal-healthcare-is-good-for.html

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/11/dr_quentin_young_obama_confidante_and

http://www.seniors.org/news.asp?ID=2094

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donald-cohen/why-are-health-insurance_b_179317.html

http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/legislation/hr-676-conyers/united-states-national-health-insurance-act

[zrinkill]

Health care can be afforded by most in this country...

Give up the $100+ cell bills... give up the DirecTV... drive a car you can afford...

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is just that... needs... not wants...

Most in this country could afford health insurance if they gave up luxuries...


This will be ignored.

[MetalHead]

This will be ignored.
Sadly,it will.
But Trick is on the money.
The man sees the big picture.

[WoodysGirl]

Good reply SC... but it truly is a matter of priority...

Health care can be afforded by most in this country...

Give up the $100+ cell bills... give up the DirecTV... drive a car you can afford...

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is just that... needs... not wants...

Most in this country could afford health insurance if they gave up luxuries...
Health care can be affordable. However, on a personal level, I've had the pleasure of not being able to get a policy because according to a chart, my weight was not considered proportional to my height. So yep, I absolutely could afford it, but I couldn't get a policy. So I was an employed, able-bodied, person with no major pre-conditions and was denied an individual policy.

Fortunately, I never suffered any major health issue while I was uninsured. Whenever I had a problem, I just went to my primary like normal and paid the entire doctor bill. And because my doctors knew me, they gave me a break on my doctor's visits.

So while you're correct that people can afford it if they wanted to, those same people can be denied. Insurance companies can suck sometimes. :cool:

[SuspectCorner]

Health care can be affordable. However, on a personal level, I've had the pleasure of not being able to get a policy because according to a chart, my weight was not considered proportional to my height. So yep, I absolutely could afford it, but I couldn't get a policy. So I was an employed, able-bodied, person with no major pre-conditions and was denied an individual policy.

Fortunately, I never suffered any major health issue while I was uninsured. Whenever I had a problem, I just went to my primary like normal and paid the entire doctor bill. And because my doctors knew me, they gave me a break on my doctor's visits.

So while you're correct that people can afford it if they wanted to, those same people can be denied. Insurance companies can suck sometimes. :cool:

The same thing happened to my baby brother, WG. Under HR 676 both of you would be covered. And those satisfied with their current healthcare plan? Well, they could maintain their existing arrangements.

Sadly, THIS will be ignored.

[Hoofbite]

So out of 300 Million + ppl in America 47mill is uninsured and we need to national health care because of this?

you realize that is 1/6?

[Cajuncowboy]

Health care can be affordable. However, on a personal level, I've had the pleasure of not being able to get a policy because according to a chart, my weight was not considered proportional to my height. So yep, I absolutely could afford it, but I couldn't get a policy. So I was an employed, able-bodied, person with no major pre-conditions and was denied an individual policy.

Fortunately, I never suffered any major health issue while I was uninsured. Whenever I had a problem, I just went to my primary like normal and paid the entire doctor bill. And because my doctors knew me, they gave me a break on my doctor's visits.

So while you're correct that people can afford it if they wanted to, those same people can be denied. Insurance companies can suck sometimes. :cool:

Wait! Are you talking about LIFE insurance or Health insurance?

[WoodysGirl]

Wait! Are you talking about LIFE insurance or Health insurance?
Health. I applied at a couple places and was denied both times. Ironic part is the two companies where I applied, I had already been covered under my prior employer-sponsored coverage. I'm currently covered under one of the insurers now under my employer-sponsored plan. Funny how that works.

I wasn't denied a life insurance policy, but I did get a different type of policy, because I do have a minor condition related to my vision.

[Cajuncowboy]

Health. I applied at a couple places and was denied both times. Ironic part is the two companies where I applied, I had already been covered under my prior employer-sponsored coverage. I'm currently covered under one of the insurers now under my employer-sponsored plan. Funny how that works.

I wasn't denied a life insurance policy, but I did get a different type of policy, because I do have a minor condition related to my vision.

That is really strange. I have had employees that I had to let go who could not get life insurance because of their Height/weight issues but never health insurance. As a matter of fact, at one point i was turned down for Life Insurance because of that but the idiot doctor put my height at 5'1 and my weight at 240 instead of 6'0". :rolleyes: (Dope)

But I had never seen someone turned down based on height/weight. Also I know pre-existing conditions also play a role in it but still.

I'm not saying it didn't happen to you at all, just saying this is the first I heard of it.

[WoodysGirl]

That is really strange. I have had employees that I had to let go who could not get life insurance because of their Height/weight issues but never health insurance. As a matter of fact, at one point i was turned down for Life Insurance because of that but the idiot doctor put my height at 5'1 and my weight at 240 instead of 6'0". :rolleyes: (Dope)

But I had never seen someone turned down based on height/weight. Also I know pre-existing conditions also play a role in it but still.

I'm not saying it didn't happen to you at all, just saying this is the first I heard of it.It was very strange. Also at the time I had no pre-existing conditions. All this occurred prior to the eye condition. I have a small eye problem that requires regular eye drops. That's about it.

I was working as a contractor alot during this time and so my coverage would come and go based on my contracting agency. I was trying to get an individual policy so I would be covered regardless of my contractual status. Didn't work for me. *shrug*

[Cajuncowboy]

It was very strange. Also at the time I had no pre-existing conditions. All this occurred prior to the eye condition. I have a small eye problem that requires regular eye drops. That's about it.

I was working as a contractor alot during this time and so my coverage would come and go based on my contracting agency. I was trying to get an individual policy so I would be covered regardless of my contractual status. Didn't work for me. *shrug*

Are you working as a contractor now? If so or for future reference you could qualify as self employed and there are companies who specialize in getting you coverage.

[zrinkill]

Health care can be affordable. However, on a personal level, I've had the pleasure of not being able to get a policy because according to a chart, my weight was not considered proportional to my height. So yep, I absolutely could afford it, but I couldn't get a policy. So I was an employed, able-bodied, person with no major pre-conditions and was denied an individual policy.

Fortunately, I never suffered any major health issue while I was uninsured. Whenever I had a problem, I just went to my primary like normal and paid the entire doctor bill. And because my doctors knew me, they gave me a break on my doctor's visits.

So while you're correct that people can afford it if they wanted to, those same people can be denied. Insurance companies can suck sometimes. :cool:


That is very odd ...... I have never heard of that.

I have seen where someone cannot get the same insurance (because of group policies) but never where they were just turned down outright for no reason.

Sounds like what Cajun said ...... must have been a "paperwork" mistake.

I have never been turned down outright for insurance ..... and I have a steel rod in one leg.

[WoodysGirl]

Are you working as a contractor now? If so or for future reference you could qualify as self employed and there are companies who specialize in getting you coverage.Well, I've got a DBA for a side business now and I also work full-time. If I go back to contracting, I would try again under my business name.

That is very odd ...... I have never heard of that.

I have seen where someone cannot get the same insurance (because of group policies) but never where they were just turned down outright for no reason.

Sounds like what Cajun said ...... must have been a "paperwork" mistake.

I have never been turned down outright for insurance ..... and I have a steel rod in one leg.
I can't imagine how it was the same paperwork mistake by two companies. I think it really was their policy. And if you read the post by suspect, the same thing happened to his brother.

Maybe it's changed since then. This occurred in the late '90s and early 2000s. I just know it really sucked to be denied.

[Cajuncowboy]

Well, I've got a DBA for a side business now and I also work full-time. If I go back to contracting, I would try again under my business name.


I can't imagine how it was the same paperwork mistake by two companies. I think it really was their policy. And if you read the post by suspect, the same thing happened to his brother.

Maybe it's changed since then. This occurred in the late '90s and early 2000s. I just know it really sucked to be denied.

It could have been a mistake by your doctor if they asked for a physical prior to your application. If this happened twice, it sounds like an error on your Dr.s end. Again, I could be wrong but it is really odd.

I know it's not pressing now because you have insurance but, I would ask your Dr. to see your files and look at the vitals like your Ht/Wt reference and your BP and Cholesterol levels. I mean it only takes a dr. forgetting to put a decimal point in the right place to mess things up.

[ZeroClub]

Yeah, WG, you were one injury/health event away from bankruptcy.

The status quo truly is crazy.

[WoodysGirl]

It could have been a mistake by your doctor if they asked for a physical prior to your application. If this happened twice, it sounds like an error on your Dr.s end. Again, I could be wrong but it is really odd.

I know it's not pressing now because you have insurance but, I would ask your Dr. to see your files and look at the vitals like your Ht/Wt reference and your BP and Cholesterol levels. I mean it only takes a dr. forgetting to put a decimal point in the right place to mess things up.
It never got to the point where I was asked for a physical.

It was simply a matter of applying online. Based on the info I provided, I was denied...and that info was given to me as a reason. I called the insurers directly and the reps just reiterated that reason.

[SuspectCorner]

Well, I've got a DBA for a side business now and I also work full-time. If I go back to contracting, I would try again under my business name.


I can't imagine how it was the same paperwork mistake by two companies. I think it really was their policy. And if you read the post by suspect, the same thing happened to his brother.

Maybe it's changed since then. This occurred in the late '90s and early 2000s. I just know it really sucked to be denied.

The incident with my brother is from last year, WG. It is not an unusual occurance and actually typical for those self employed or the employed who're part of a small group "pool".

It helps to think of healthcare insurers as gamblers. And also that height/weight ratios are tabled - 6' 0" and 250lbs "looks" the same to them whether you are flabby or extremely muscular. And complications arising from obesity are well known to insurers - regardless of an individual's having a health history of low incidence (and I'm certainly not suggesting that's you, either - just pointing out that insurance providers take a very two-dimensional approach to risk). They have to project down the line.

Insurers make many coverage and rate decisions based on the pool-size of the insured. In a large pool, the more healthy will generally offset the losses incurred by covering the less healthy. So, typically, the larger the pool - the lower the rates and the more liberal the coverage.

But in smaller pools or on an individual basis - less to no offsetting factors are present.

When you move into smaller pools the insurers become much more conservative in their approach. The costs of insuring the riskier "bets" are more directly absorbed. so weight considerations are more inclined to become a barrier to coverage.

Let me reiterate that I don't believe insurers are evil or anything approaching that. The nature of their business model makes it necessary for them to refuse coverage, bump copayments, and deductibles to maintain profitability. And nobody is in business to give away money.

But that concept is at the very root of our healthcare problems. As a nation, we should halt the approach to healthcare as a "for profit" bizop - and make healthcare for ALL Americans a top priority.

[zrinkill]

And if you read the post by suspect, the same thing happened to his brother.


I believe you.

But anything muttered by that other guy I take with a grain of salt.

[SuspectCorner]

I believe you.

But anything muttered by that other guy I take with a grain of salt.

Whereas anything you post - I accept as gospel. :D

[zrinkill]

I accept as gospel.

Do not speak of something you are ignorant of.

Of course if you did that, we would never hear a peep out of you.

[SuspectCorner]

Do not speak of something you are ignorant of.

Of course if you did that, we would never hear a peep out of you.

You're just killing me - I'm all doubled over with laughter. :rolleyes:

[Cajuncowboy]

You're just killing me - I'm all doubled over with laughter. :rolleyes:

I thought it was a hoot.

[SuspectCorner]

I thought it was a hoot.

Outstanding, cajun!

Hey, I'm marking March 30TH on my calendar - "today - cajun thought!" :D

[Cajuncowboy]

Outstanding, cajun!

Hey, I'm marking March 30TH on my calendar - "today - cajun thought!" :D

Ooooohhhhh. suspect made a funny.

Not.:eek: