To Kill a Mock, 6.0

[Hostile]

Due to my Arizona Wildcats being absolutely destroyed by Louisville I had to do something to cheer myself up. Nothing cheers me up more than Christmas in April.

So I will attempt to not kill a Mock. This one will encompass my ever changing opinion of what we will do with our 1st pick. I still don't have a great read on that. So I decided that one of my pet cats lands in our laps at Pick #51. What better way to kill the blues?

2nd round...Pick #51...Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma, 6'5", 329. I am convinced he is an instant starter, solves the problems at LG for the next 10 years. Kosier and Holland become the primary backups and we run all over people. I would trade up in the 2nd to get him if we had to.

3rd round (from Cleveland)...Pick #69...Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon, 5'11", 212. The safeties are falling on the Draft Boards and a little bird tells me he is one of 3 former Day 1 picks who could slide to Day 2. Wishful thinking? maybe a little, but remember this, Jason Witten was a sure fire 1st rounder who went in round 3.

4th round (from Detroit)...Pick #101...Lawrence Sidbury, DE/OLB, Richmond, 6'2", 265. This guy is from a small school but is all about production. 6.5 sacks and 14.5 tackles for loss. He never stops coming for the ball. His only negative is the small school, but don't let that stop anyone. I cannot stop thinking he is a steal.

4th round...Pick #117...Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson State, 6'1", 195. Depth at CB is needed and this guy can fly. He didn't fly at the Combine but he will at his pro day. Sub 4.4 speed and a nose for the football.

5th round...Pick #156...Daniel Holtzclaw, ILB, Eastern Michigan 6'1", 245. I know the Cowboys like Beckwith, but I think with the Safeties falling they pass on him and wait on ILB. I am happy because one of my pet cats returns to my Mocks.

5th round (from Tennessee)...Pick #166...Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State, 6'2", 218. It is time to develop some QB depth. A good 3rd string QB who could develop for the future. Talent is not a question. Accepted money from a booster and got expelled. No boosters in the NFL. He is the QB I think best fits our system and has a chance to progress.

5th round (Compensatory)...Pick #172...Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona, 5'9", 187. A big time Punt Return threat who also has guts. Isn't afraid to go over the middle. Not likely to be a star, but can develop into a 3rd WR in the slot. We need to fill that spot. This kid can develop and will push Crayton. A leader.

6th round (from Miami)...Pick #197...Glover Quinn, CB, New Mexico, 5'11", 204. We lost 2 CBs and this guy can be a Scandrick kind of steal. Not as fast, but has great ball instincts. 11 pass breakups and 5 picks along with 53 tackles.

6th round (Compensatory)...Pick #208...Myron Pryor, NT, Kentucky, 6'0", 319. I am not buying the Wade Phillips schtick about Junior Siavi. This guy is too talented not to take a chance on. He can be a PS guy if Siavi really is all that and Wade was right. This is a Chris Canty-like steal. If it weren't for injuries he could be a day 1 pick. Depth who can develop. 11 TFL, 4.5 sacks.

7th round (from Detroit)...Pick #210...Ryan Delrosal, OT, Dixie State, 6'5", 313. Heck of an athlete. Would you believe a sub 5.00 time in the 40 for a man that big? He did it and is strong too. A project, but good depth.

7th round...Pick #227...Dallas Reynolds, C, BYU, 6'5", 328. Depth across OL is needed badly. Don't even try to argue with me about his name. Fits this team. He is versatile. Can play all 5 OL positions.

Go easy on me, my Wildcats suffered a 39 point whoopin'. Ah, the hell with that, if you hate it, speak your mind.

[DaBoys4Life]

Another great mock HoS good job. I see holtzclaw made his way back in.

[RS12]

If this happened it would rival last years draft. No way Sidbury is there in the fourth. Also I dont see Thomas there in the 5th. I like both these guys alot, I bet alot of other teams do too.

[Rush 2112]

I think we have a major issue at ILB right now......

And DE could be a major issue next year with Spears/Hatcher FA's.

I'm hoping ILB/DE will be our first 2 picks.

I don't think Mike Thomas makes it out of 3.

[Biggems]

I want us to try and trade down in the 2nd and add a 3rd. This mock reflects us being able to do just that.....

2 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury - speed, aggressive, intelligence
3a - OL T.J. Lang - versatile, quick, intelligence
3b - SS Jonathan Casillas - quick, speed, versatile
4a - OT Sebastian Vollmer - power, work ethic
4b - FS Darcel McBath - quick, speed, range
5a - ILB Jason Williams - quick, speed, versatility
5b - DT Roy Miller - power, quick, work ethic
5c - WR Quan Cosby - quick, versatility, intangibles, intelligence
6a - CB Brice McCain - quick, speed, cover ability
6b - OT Lyndon Murtha - power, quick, intelligence
7a - ILB/SS Spencer Adkins - quick, speed, versatility
7b - CB Bradley Fletcher - quick, speed

UDFA
QB Jason Boltus - This year's QB dark horse, I hope we can get him as a UDFA
FB Tony Fiamatta - merely a blocking FB
RB Chris Ogbonnaya - not very productive between the tackles, but excellent in space, especially as a receiver out of the backfield
RB Marlon Lucky - all substance and absolutely no flash, definitely a lunchpail type of player
WR Isaiah Williams - size, speed, and vert (41) make him a sleeper WR for sure, and a great redzone threat)
WR Greg Carr - size makes him a great redzone threat
TE David Johnson - not very tall but still a productive TE, solid blocker
OG Steve Rehring - I believe he is better than he portrayed while playing out of position last season
DT Khalif Mitchell - adequate size for a 3-4 DT
DE Michael Bennett (Marty's Bro) - wouldn't be a bad option for practice squad
DE/OLB Henry Milton - much better on the D side as opposed to RB
S Al Afalava - quick, speed, nice range
CB Wopamo Osaisai - solid in coverage
CB Ryan Palmer - a gamer

[Sitting Bull]

Now this is a mock to get excited about! Unfortunately, I agree that we are pushing our luck. Sidbury really seems like he'll be long gone before the fourth. He may even get drafted before Chung. Also +1 that Thomas will go in the late third or early fourth, having locked down top "ready to contrbute punt returning slot guy" honors. I could, however, easily see us parlaying a player and some picks to get the multiple thirds needed to snag some of these guys.

[Hostile]

Now this is a mock to get excited about! Unfortunately, I agree that we are pushing our luck. Sidbury really seems like he'll be long gone before the fourth. He may even get drafted before Chung. Also +1 that Thomas will go in the late third or early fourth, having locked down top "ready to contrbute punt returning slot guy" honors. I could, however, easily see us parlaying a player and some picks to get the multiple thirds needed to snag some of these guys.I can't see Mike Thomas going that high. I love the kid, but 3rd round would amaze me.

[Avery]

Arizona making it to the sweet 16 was enough of a miracle (though beating my Utes who should have been a #8 seed and Cleveland State isn't the hardest road).

I like the picks, but I think we'd have to be very fortunate to see Chung and Sidbury drop like that.

[Sitting Bull]

I can't see Mike Thomas going that high. I love the kid, but 3rd round would amaze me.

Might be a little high, but I'm not counting on him being there for our #117. He's a more complete WR than Skylar Green and Harry Douglas went in the third last year. I think a lot of WRs are going to go off the boards in the first four rounds and a guy like Thomas, who is a plug & play slot and deadly PR, seems like a better gamble than projecting some of the other WRs.

[Hostile]

Might be a little high, but I'm not counting on him being there for our #117. He's a more complete WR than Skylar Green and Harry Douglas went in the third last year. I think a lot of WRs are going to go off the boards in the first four rounds and a guy like Thomas, who is a plug & play slot and deadly PR, seems like a better gamble than projecting some of the other WRs.I just think there will be bias because he is 5'9".

I hope there is. Talk about a return man gem.

[Hostile]

Arizona making it to the sweet 16 was enough of a miracle (though beating my Utes who should have been a #8 seed and Cleveland State isn't the hardest road).

I like the picks, but I think we'd have to be very fortunate to see Chung and Sidbury drop like that.Every site I see has Sidbury as a 4th rounder. That is the top of the 4th.

Is he climbing?

[Biggems]

Every site I see has Sidbury as a 4th rounder. That is the top of the 4th.

Is he climbing?


walterfootball.com has him rated as a 3-4 rounder, and has him going in the 3rd to Tennessee at 94.

[Bizwah]

Every site I see has Sidbury as a 4th rounder. That is the top of the 4th.

Is he climbing?

If you believe the draft gurus.....yes.

This time of year is full of misinformation.

Love the mock.....I hope it pans out.

I'd switch and put a DE like Hood or Moala in place of Chung.....maybe even Dorrell Scott in that position.

But it's hard to find fault in that mock.

[Sitting Bull]

I've been watching this site: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/nfp-prospect-position-rankings-5/

Seems professional/credible and updates weekly. They list top 10 at each position, 150 total. If you cut out the kickers and scale back the fullbacks, TEs and safties, you end up with about four rounds' worth of prospects. In their Top 100, they have Sidbury at 51(!), Chung at 77 and Thomas at 97.

[the kid 05]

Would you plug Robinson in at left guard if Kosier gets hurt or even if he doesn't?

From what i've read about Chung hes a slightly faster Roy...I doubt many of us want to sit through that again. I'd think about swapping him (chung) for Michael Hamlin. From what i've read hes one of the better safties when it comes to being a ball hawk, which the team could use imo.

Readin on Sidbury I'm starting to think he'd be a perfect match on the other side of Ware.

Johnson reminds me of Vikings Winfield, decent/ok in coverage but a sure tackler but with better vision (I like Winfield)

No to Bomar. I just dont like him and dont think he will fit our offense. A guy i'd look at is Stephen McGee from Texas A&M. Seen limited time his Sr year but when hes started and played the previouse 3 season hes been steller.

[Hostile]

I'd only start whomever wins the battle at LG. I don't care who does, but I would imagine Kosier wouldn't have a prayer of beating Robinson out unless he was injured.

[SDogo]

Due to my Arizona Wildcats being absolutely destroyed by Louisville I had to do something to cheer myself up. Nothing cheers me up more than Christmas in April.

So I will attempt to not kill a Mock. This one will encompass my ever changing opinion of what we will do with our 1st pick. I still don't have a great read on that. So I decided that one of my pet cats lands in our laps at Pick #51. What better way to kill the blues?

2nd round...Pick #51...Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma, 6'5", 329. I am convinced he is an instant starter, solves the problems at LG for the next 10 years. Kosier and Holland become the primary backups and we run all over people. I would trade up in the 2nd to get him if we had to.

3rd round (from Cleveland)...Pick #69...Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon, 5'11", 212. The safeties are falling on the Draft Boards and a little bird tells me he is one of 3 former Day 1 picks who could slide to Day 2. Wishful thinking? maybe a little, but remember this, Jason Witten was a sure fire 1st rounder who went in round 3.

4th round (from Detroit)...Pick #101...Lawrence Sidbury, DE/OLB, Richmond, 6'2", 265. This guy is from a small school but is all about production. 6.5 sacks and 14.5 tackles for loss. He never stops coming for the ball. His only negative is the small school, but don't let that stop anyone. I cannot stop thinking he is a steal.

4th round...Pick #117...Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson State, 6'1", 195. Depth at CB is needed and this guy can fly. He didn't fly at the Combine but he will at his pro day. Sub 4.4 speed and a nose for the football.

5th round...Pick #156...Daniel Holtzclaw, ILB, Eastern Michigan 6'1", 245. I know the Cowboys like Beckwith, but I think with the Safeties falling they pass on him and wait on ILB. I am happy because one of my pet cats returns to my Mocks.

5th round (from Tennessee)...Pick #166...Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State, 6'2", 218. It is time to develop some QB depth. A good 3rd string QB who could develop for the future. Talent is not a question. Accepted money from a booster and got expelled. No boosters in the NFL. He is the QB I think best fits our system and has a chance to progress.

5th round (Compensatory)...Pick #172...Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona, 5'9", 187. A big time Punt Return threat who also has guts. Isn't afraid to go over the middle. Not likely to be a star, but can develop into a 3rd WR in the slot. We need to fill that spot. This kid can develop and will push Crayton. A leader.

6th round (from Miami)...Pick #197...Glover Quinn, CB, New Mexico, 5'11", 204. We lost 2 CBs and this guy can be a Scandrick kind of steal. Not as fast, but has great ball instincts. 11 pass breakups and 5 picks along with 53 tackles.

6th round (Compensatory)...Pick #208...Myron Pryor, NT, Kentucky, 6'0", 319. I am not buying the Wade Phillips schtick about Junior Siavi. This guy is too talented not to take a chance on. He can be a PS guy if Siavi really is all that and Wade was right. This is a Chris Canty-like steal. If it weren't for injuries he could be a day 1 pick. Depth who can develop. 11 TFL, 4.5 sacks.

7th round (from Detroit)...Pick #210...Ryan Delrosal, OT, Dixie State, 6'5", 313. Heck of an athlete. Would you believe a sub 5.00 time in the 40 for a man that big? He did it and is strong too. A project, but good depth.

7th round...Pick #227...Dallas Reynolds, C, BYU, 6'5", 328. Depth across OL is needed badly. Don't even try to argue with me about his name. Fits this team. He is versatile. Can play all 5 OL positions.

Go easy on me, my Wildcats suffered a 39 point whoopin'. Ah, the hell with that, if you hate it, speak your mind.

You know I love the Duke Robinson pick, my draft would almost be made with one pick but if we don't get Robinson I hope and pray we can find a way to land Herman Johnson

I'm not a big Chung fan, as a matter of fact it's probably one of those picks this year I fear the most

Both 4th round picks (Sidbury and Johnson) are brilliant, we can't go wrong there but I think Sidbury will be taken much earlier.

In the 5th round I like the first two picks but while I love Thomas speed and play making ability his size scares me to death.

In the 6th I think we can better then Quinn but Pryor is interesting. Very highly touted played coming out of high school. Injuries slowed his development but like you said, a PS guy who could turn out to be a steal if he can put it all together.

I'm not thrilled about the 7th round. I can live with Reynolds but there should be several OL that are more NFL ready and offer a little more then Delrosal.

[TheCount]

Word was that Domonique Johnson didn't just look bad at the combine, he also looked bad facing anyone of the higher quality receiver prospects. Too high to take him in my opinion.


I love the first three picks though.

[silverbear]

Due to my Arizona Wildcats being absolutely destroyed by Louisville I had to do something to cheer myself up. Nothing cheers me up more than Christmas in April.

So I will attempt to not kill a Mock. This one will encompass my ever changing opinion of what we will do with our 1st pick. I still don't have a great read on that. So I decided that one of my pet cats lands in our laps at Pick #51. What better way to kill the blues?

2nd round...Pick #51...Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma, 6'5", 329. I am convinced he is an instant starter, solves the problems at LG for the next 10 years. Kosier and Holland become the primary backups and we run all over people. I would trade up in the 2nd to get him if we had to.

Please, God, let it be so...

3rd round (from Cleveland)...Pick #69...Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon, 5'11", 212. The safeties are falling on the Draft Boards and a little bird tells me he is one of 3 former Day 1 picks who could slide to Day 2. Wishful thinking? maybe a little, but remember this, Jason Witten was a sure fire 1st rounder who went in round 3.

You're gonna have to PM me about who the other two are, ol' buddy... :D

Chung doesn't get me too excited, but I don't hate the pick...

4th round (from Detroit)...Pick #101...Lawrence Sidbury, DE/OLB, Richmond, 6'2", 265. This guy is from a small school but is all about production. 6.5 sacks and 14.5 tackles for loss. He never stops coming for the ball. His only negative is the small school, but don't let that stop anyone. I cannot stop thinking he is a steal.

Gotta disagree here, Hos... I follow JMU football a little, and they play in a league with a lot of 275 pound offensive linemen... and to tell you the truth, 6.5 sacks isn't all that impressive to me...

I think I'd go with Jason Williams here, instead...

4th round...Pick #117...Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson State, 6'1", 195. Depth at CB is needed and this guy can fly. He didn't fly at the Combine but he will at his pro day. Sub 4.4 speed and a nose for the football.

At this point, you've got him going some earlier than most draft websites project, but if he works out like you think he will, he may climb the board... I also read that he transferred from Missouri because his coach there questioned his dedication, and that kind of leaves me cold...

Would you consider Brice McCain here?? He's not as big, but he's even faster, and he most certainly is climbing the boards... Joe Burnett might work here, too...

5th round...Pick #156...Daniel Holtzclaw, ILB, Eastern Michigan 6'1", 245. I know the Cowboys like Beckwith, but I think with the Safeties falling they pass on him and wait on ILB. I am happy because one of my pet cats returns to my Mocks.

I like Holtzclaw, but I see him as a 4-3 MLB, and not a really good fit in the 3-4...I'd got with Jason Phillips or Antonio Appleby instead...

5th round (from Tennessee)...Pick #166...Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State, 6'2", 218. It is time to develop some QB depth. A good 3rd string QB who could develop for the future. Talent is not a question. Accepted money from a booster and got expelled. No boosters in the NFL. He is the QB I think best fits our system and has a chance to progress.

Well, if I had my druthers, the Boys wouldn't draft a QB, instead looking at one of a number of intriguing QBs likely to go undrafted... but they might well look at a late QB, and Bomar will do in that case...

5th round (Compensatory)...Pick #172...Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona, 5'9", 187. A big time Punt Return threat who also has guts. Isn't afraid to go over the middle. Not likely to be a star, but can develop into a 3rd WR in the slot. We need to fill that spot. This kid can develop and will push Crayton. A leader.

Chuckle... you're gonna get your pet cats in, aren't you?? That's OK, I can live with this one, just like I can live with Duke...

6th round (from Miami)...Pick #197...Glover Quinn, CB, New Mexico, 5'11", 204. We lost 2 CBs and this guy can be a Scandrick kind of steal. Not as fast, but has great ball instincts. 11 pass breakups and 5 picks along with 53 tackles.

If the Cowboys drafted him, I'll bet it would be to play FS... I'd certainly much rather have Brice McCain or Joe Burnett here...

Part of the reason I say that is the Lobos' pass defense was pretty dreadful (70th in the nation)... but if you simply MUST have a Lobo DB, wait until after the draft and go get DeAndre Wright, who was limited by injuries last season...


6th round (Compensatory)...Pick #208...Myron Pryor, NT, Kentucky, 6'0", 319. I am not buying the Wade Phillips schtick about Junior Siavi. This guy is too talented not to take a chance on. He can be a PS guy if Siavi really is all that and Wade was right. This is a Chris Canty-like steal. If it weren't for injuries he could be a day 1 pick. Depth who can develop. 11 TFL, 4.5 sacks.

I'd bet that the Boys draft a NT, but I'm gonna hold out for one of MY pet cats here-- Roy Miller, from Texas... I've watched a lot of Horns football, and he's the real deal... with his recent workout, he's probably gonna fall in this sixth round range...

Bear in mind that Texas was 3rd in the nation in rush defense, and it all started with Roy...

My second choice would be Chris Baker from Hampton-- if he's still on the board here... my third choice would be Ra-Shon Harris from Oregon, but after he ran a sub-4.9 40 at his Pro Day workout, I'm thinking of him as more of a DE...


7th round (from Detroit)...Pick #210...Ryan Delrosal, OT, Dixie State, 6'5", 313. Heck of an athlete. Would you believe a sub 5.00 time in the 40 for a man that big? He did it and is strong too. A project, but good depth.

7th round...Pick #227...Dallas Reynolds, C, BYU, 6'5", 328. Depth across OL is needed badly. Don't even try to argue with me about his name. Fits this team. He is versatile. Can play all 5 OL positions.

Perfect, I wouldn't change either one...

[silverbear]

I think we have a major issue at ILB right now......

And DE could be a major issue next year with Spears/Hatcher FA's.

I'm hoping ILB/DE will be our first 2 picks.

I don't think Mike Thomas makes it out of 3.

So you go with Jarett Dillard, Quan Cosby or Johnny Knox instead... the advantage with Thomas is his kick return ability, but the other 3 are every bit the receiver he is, if not a bit better...

[silverbear]

walterfootball.com has him rated as a 3-4 rounder, and has him going in the 3rd to Tennessee at 94.

To be honest, I'm not impressed with ol' Walter... I think he bumps his "pet cats" up, more than is reasonable...

[Double Trouble]

Not a bad guess at all.

The one position that concerns me most - beyond Romo or Ware suffering a significant injury - is Flozell Adams. Not sure we can find anyone in this draft or not, without a 1st.

As poorly as he played last year, we may not even have a servicable player as a backup. Doug Free may be no better than Torin Tucker and Rob Petitti. I'm suspicious of him given that Flo was supposedly playing injured, looked awful at times, and yet Free never got any meaningful snaps.

[MichaelWinicki]

Nice job Hos...

No FB's or QB's in rounds 2 or 3-- You're learning. :D

The only pick I'm not big on is Chung. I just don't see him being good enough in coverage-- sort of a "Roy Williams-light".

[BigBoy63]

Another Great mock, robinson, chung, sidbury, bomar, thomas. This mock is awesome if we had this draft i would die.

[Avery]

On NFLN yesterday, Charlie Casserly was talking Sidbury up as a second rounder and if even speculated that a team late in the first could potentially take him over someone like Larry English.

With teams putting such a high value on pass rushers, he could very well go first day.

[Biggems]

So you go with Jarett Dillard, Quan Cosby or Johnny Knox instead... the advantage with Thomas is his kick return ability, but the other 3 are every bit the receiver he is, if not a bit better...

Cosby can return kicks as well and has shown to be a game changer against top tier talent.

BTW, Bear, you and I both know a big part of the reason UT was so good against the run, was because the Big 12 was a pass happy league this year. I mean, look at what Ohio St. did to them in the first half of the Fiesta Bowl. Still, with that being said, Roy Miller seemed to be the only one in that game making plays to stop the run.

[dbair1967]

[QUOTE]2nd round...Pick #51...Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma, 6'5", 329. I am convinced he is an instant starter, solves the problems at LG for the next 10 years. Kosier and Holland become the primary backups and we run all over people. I would trade up in the 2nd to get him if we had to.

I'm still not sold on him the way so many in here are. I wont complain too much if we take him, but I wasnt impressed with what I saw of him (or Loadholt) vs Florida, and thats the kind of speed he's going to see every week in the NFL. I actually thought Holland looked pretty good when he finally got to play last yr, and Kosier will be 100% now. I'm not sure drafting a guy that can only play G with our 1st pick is the best way to go.

3rd round (from Cleveland)...Pick #69...Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon, 5'11", 212. The safeties are falling on the Draft Boards and a little bird tells me he is one of 3 former Day 1 picks who could slide to Day 2. Wishful thinking? maybe a little, but remember this, Jason Witten was a sure fire 1st rounder who went in round 3.

I think he'd be a nice addition and I do think this is around the area he will go (late 2nd, early 3rd). I like Rashad Johnson more because of his range and playmaking, but Chung would be a nice add too.

4th round (from Detroit)...Pick #101...Lawrence Sidbury, DE/OLB, Richmond, 6'2", 265. This guy is from a small school but is all about production. 6.5 sacks and 14.5 tackles for loss. He never stops coming for the ball. His only negative is the small school, but don't let that stop anyone. I cannot stop thinking he is a steal.

I dont think this kid is going to last this long. I do think if Ellis is traded (and I think he will be) that we'll be adding an OLB at some point though.

4th round...Pick #117...Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson State, 6'1", 195. Depth at CB is needed and this guy can fly. He didn't fly at the Combine but he will at his pro day. Sub 4.4 speed and a nose for the football.

Might be other guys who'd I take before him.

5th round...Pick #156...Daniel Holtzclaw, ILB, Eastern Michigan 6'1", 245. I know the Cowboys like Beckwith, but I think with the Safeties falling they pass on him and wait on ILB. I am happy because one of my pet cats returns to my Mocks.

Other ILB prospects I like for our scheme a little more than him too, but he isnt a bad pick in the 5th rd.

5th round (from Tennessee)...Pick #166...Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State, 6'2", 218. It is time to develop some QB depth. A good 3rd string QB who could develop for the future. Talent is not a question. Accepted money from a booster and got expelled. No boosters in the NFL. He is the QB I think best fits our system and has a chance to progress.

I think he may go a little earlier than this, that said I dont think its a definite that we take a QB...and this is a lousy QB draft

5th round (Compensatory)...Pick #172...Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona, 5'9", 187. A big time Punt Return threat who also has guts. Isn't afraid to go over the middle. Not likely to be a star, but can develop into a 3rd WR in the slot. We need to fill that spot. This kid can develop and will push Crayton. A leader.

ok

6th round (from Miami)...Pick #197...Glover Quinn, CB, New Mexico, 5'11", 204. We lost 2 CBs and this guy can be a Scandrick kind of steal. Not as fast, but has great ball instincts. 11 pass breakups and 5 picks along with 53 tackles.


no opinion

6th round (Compensatory)...Pick #208...[B]Myron Pryor, NT, Kentucky, 6'0", 319. I am not buying the Wade Phillips schtick about Junior Siavi. This guy is too talented not to take a chance on. He can be a PS guy if Siavi really is all that and Wade was right. This is a Chris Canty-like steal. If it weren't for injuries he could be a day 1 pick. Depth who can develop. 11 TFL, 4.5 sacks.


he was a good player for UK...not a bad late rd add

7th round (from Detroit)...Pick #210...Ryan Delrosal, OT, Dixie State, 6'5", 313. Heck of an athlete. Would you believe a sub 5.00 time in the 40 for a man that big? He did it and is strong too. A project, but good depth.

7th round...Pick #227...Dallas Reynolds, C, BYU, 6'5", 328. Depth across OL is needed badly. Don't even try to argue with me about his name. Fits this team. He is versatile. Can play all 5 OL positions.

no opinions

[Rush 2112]

So you go with Jarett Dillard, Quan Cosby or Johnny Knox instead... the advantage with Thomas is his kick return ability, but the other 3 are every bit the receiver he is, if not a bit better...


To get to the game any WR we take is going have to shine on ST's.....

And we've needed juice from a PR guy for years.

This team needs a small/quick WR bad IMO.

Unless they think Felix is going to fill that role.

Love to find a way to get Jarron Gilbert, Marcus Freeman and Mike Thomas.

I'll settle for Beckwith if I have to although I'm not a fan.

I'll take Jason Williams if need be at ILB.

[Biggems]

I want us to try and trade down in the 2nd and add a 3rd. This mock reflects us being able to do just that.....

2 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury - speed, aggressive, intelligence
3a - OL T.J. Lang - versatile, quick, intelligence
3b - SS Jonathan Casillas - quick, speed, versatile
4a - OT Sebastian Vollmer - power, work ethic
4b - FS Darcel McBath - quick, speed, range
5a - ILB Jason Williams - quick, speed, versatility
5b - DT Roy Miller - power, quick, work ethic
5c - WR Quan Cosby - quick, versatility, intangibles, intelligence
6a - CB Brice McCain - quick, speed, cover ability
6b - OT Lyndon Murtha - power, quick, intelligence
7a - ILB/SS Spencer Adkins - quick, speed, versatility
7b - CB Bradley Fletcher - quick, speed

UDFA
QB Jason Boltus - This year's QB dark horse, I hope we can get him as a UDFA
FB Tony Fiamatta - merely a blocking FB
RB Chris Ogbonnaya - not very productive between the tackles, but excellent in space, especially as a receiver out of the backfield
RB Marlon Lucky - all substance and absolutely no flash, definitely a lunchpail type of player
WR Isaiah Williams - size, speed, and vert (41) make him a sleeper WR for sure, and a great redzone threat)
WR Greg Carr - size makes him a great redzone threat
TE David Johnson - not very tall but still a productive TE, solid blocker
OG Steve Rehring - I believe he is better than he portrayed while playing out of position last season
DT Khalif Mitchell - adequate size for a 3-4 DT
DE Michael Bennett (Marty's Bro) - wouldn't be a bad option for practice squad
DE/OLB Henry Milton - much better on the D side as opposed to RB
S Al Afalava - quick, speed, nice range
CB Wopamo Osaisai - solid in coverage
CB Ryan Palmer - a gamer


I cant believe I put Milton instead of Melton, what kind of UT homer am I, sheesh........

[MichaelWinicki]

As a side note, I do think folks are discounting Holland and his place on the roster. The guy has started many games in the NFL and looked darn good out there IMO before he was injured.

I guess what I'm saying is that drafting guard in the second or third round may not be the best thing. I don't have a clue on how the team views Doug Free at this point, but a possible left tackle may be a higher need than another guard.

[Biggems]

As a side note, I do think folks are discounting Holland and his place on the roster. The guy has started many games in the NFL and looked darn good out there IMO before he was injured.

I guess what I'm saying is that drafting guard in the second or third round may not be the best thing. I don't have a clue on how the team views Doug Free at this point, but a possible left tackle may be a higher need than another guard.

MW, I have not discounted Holland or Kosier.....IMO, we have 3 guards on the roster. I would feel more comfortable if we had 4. I want Holland and Kosier to duke it out for the starting job. Still, I would like to add an additional G, via the draft. Robinson is the best guard in the draft. I am not high on many of the other guards. However, C Eric Wood can play guard, T.J Lang can play guard. IMO, the name that no one is talking about, but who would be an absolute steal way late in the draft or as a UDFA is Ohio St. OG Steve Rehring. He had a horrible senior year, at T, but when he was at G, he was a beast. I would have no problems with Dallas waiting until the later rounds and going after Rehring.

Now, as far as Free goes......set him Free. Nate says he can't cut it. He is the only voice I have heard on the matter. So Free can leave. I am all for drafting Sebastion Vollmer and Lydon Murtha. I think Vollmer would make an excellent backup for Colombo, while Murtha, with his strength and quickness, would make an excellent backup for Flozell.

That just leaves us with backup C. Now there are 3 players who I want. Eric Wood is of course my favorite. He has great work ethic and studies the game. He is a very smart player. He can also play all 3 interior line positions. There is T.J. Lang, who can play all 5 OL positions, but will most likely play C or G in the NFL. Still, his versatility in invaluable. Another prospect who can play all 5 positions, but will probably end up at C is Dallas Reynolds. Wood is set to go 2-3, Lang 3-4, and Reynolds 6-7.

I have lost favor in Wood, only because he has raised his value way high. I was hoping to steal him with our first pick in the 4th....using our 2 and 3 for the defensive side of the ball. I am starting to lose favor in Lang for the same reason. He is raising his value too high for us to use that 4th on him.

I want these guys for sure
OT Sebastian Vollmer - 4/5
OT Lydon Murtha - 5/6
OG Steve Rehring - 7/UDFA

[jterrell]

Really love a few of the picks but I do not like Duke at 51 unless we also add a Center much earlier than you did.

Gurode needs help setting up the line and that's why Kosier is so valuable.

You really have to replace both guys imho so I am a bigger fan of a 3rd and 4th area for both positions and then set them up to start in 2010. I agree Kosier could be an excellent 6th OL.

Domonique not only didn't blaze at the combine he looked stiff so I think he falls a bit more than you indicate and we could draft him a full round later if not more.

Bomar and Sidbury would be great fits where selected. Sidbury is a day 1 3rd OLB provided Ellis isn't here and Bomar can do everything Romo can physically but probably needs that grooming time as well.

[TheCount]

As a side note, I do think folks are discounting Holland and his place on the roster. The guy has started many games in the NFL and looked darn good out there IMO before he was injured.

I guess what I'm saying is that drafting guard in the second or third round may not be the best thing. I don't have a clue on how the team views Doug Free at this point, but a possible left tackle may be a higher need than another guard.


I agree, which is why I don't think we could pretty much go anywhere with our first pick. I like Duke, but won't be upset if we go a different direction.

[Rush 2112]

Quan Cosby will be a 27 year old rookie.

[SLATEmosphere]

IF Delmas,Smith,Rashad,Barwin, and English are all gone by pick 40 then ya I would pick Duke, but I wouldn't target him.

[Biggems]

Quan Cosby will be a 27 year old rookie.

and? it isnt like he will be getting 1st round money. he is ready to step in and produce right away. if he can give us 4-6 years of service, I will be more than happy.

[dbair1967]

[QUOTE]and?

and I dont want to draft him...too many other guys better and younger than he is

it isnt like he will be getting 1st round money.

doesnt matter..he's at an age where most players are entering their prime, and it isnt a sure thing anybody would get anything out him

he is ready to step in and produce right away.

as what, and ahead of who? He'd be at best the 4th or 5th WR here

[Avery]

If you could get 6-8 years of productive work out of a guy like Cosby in the 6th or 7th round, it would be worth it.

His age will cause him to drop though.

[Rush 2112]

and? it isnt like he will be getting 1st round money. he is ready to step in and produce right away. if he can give us 4-6 years of service, I will be more than happy.

Didn't UT have a group of WR's who were ready to step into the NFL 3-4 years back?

[silverbear]

Quan Cosby will be a 27 year old rookie.

Which is just about the only reason he's not a 2nd or 3rd round prospect...

[cowboyjoe]

Now, as far as Free goes......set him Free. Nate says he can't cut it. He is the only voice I have heard on the matter. So Free can leave. I am all for drafting Sebastion Vollmer and Lydon Murtha. I think Vollmer would make an excellent backup for Colombo, while Murtha, with his strength and quickness, would make an excellent backup for Flozell.


Thats not what i remember Nate saying BigGems, Nate said he liked Doug Free, he had something to him but the player that didnt have it and kept making mistakes at OT was McQuistan. I am for givng Free a shot at unseating Flozell Adams this year. I like Volmer too, seems like a sleeper. I dont know too much about Mutra.



That just leaves us with backup C. Now there are 3 players who I want. Eric Wood is of course my favorite. He has great work ethic and studies the game. He is a very smart player. He can also play all 3 interior line positions. There is T.J. Lang, who can play all 5 OL positions, but will most likely play C or G in the NFL. Still, his versatility in invaluable. Another prospect who can play all 5 positions, but will probably end up at C is Dallas Reynolds. Wood is set to go 2-3, Lang 3-4, and Reynolds 6-7.

I have lost favor in Wood, only because he has raised his value way high. I was hoping to steal him with our first pick in the 4th....using our 2 and 3 for the defensive side of the ball. I am starting to lose favor in Lang for the same reason. He is raising his value too high for us to use that 4th on him.

BigGems, I am thinking more and more that the Cowboys are looking at a center/OG because as we all know Proctor cant cut it, he is a joke. I remember that the Cowboys looked at the top 2 centers for sure. So, I am thinking they want to find a backup G. Wood can do this, play G and Center too. Granted im not fond of drafting him in 2nd round, but if Wood is there or Duke Robinson, I say go get them. We need good backup offensive linemen that can help somewhat in the running game this year.

I want these guys for sure
OT Sebastian Vollmer - 4/5
OT Lydon Murtha - 5/6
OG Steve Rehring - 7/UDFA

Like you said Rehring might be a steal because they moved him from G to T. I wouldnt mind the Cowboys drafting Louis Vasquez in lower rounds he is alittle older too so will drop some in the draft and due to his pass blocking more than run blocking in a passing attack at college.

[Bizwah]

Now, as far as Free goes......set him Free. Nate says he can't cut it. He is the only voice I have heard on the matter. So Free can leave. I am all for drafting Sebastion Vollmer and Lydon Murtha. I think Vollmer would make an excellent backup for Colombo, while Murtha, with his strength and quickness, would make an excellent backup for Flozell.


Thats not what i remember Nate saying BigGems, Nate said he liked Doug Free, he had something to him but the player that didnt have it and kept making mistakes at OT was McQuistan. I am for givng Free a shot at unseating Flozell Adams this year. I like Volmer too, seems like a sleeper. I dont know too much about Mutra.



That just leaves us with backup C. Now there are 3 players who I want. Eric Wood is of course my favorite. He has great work ethic and studies the game. He is a very smart player. He can also play all 3 interior line positions. There is T.J. Lang, who can play all 5 OL positions, but will most likely play C or G in the NFL. Still, his versatility in invaluable. Another prospect who can play all 5 positions, but will probably end up at C is Dallas Reynolds. Wood is set to go 2-3, Lang 3-4, and Reynolds 6-7.

I have lost favor in Wood, only because he has raised his value way high. I was hoping to steal him with our first pick in the 4th....using our 2 and 3 for the defensive side of the ball. I am starting to lose favor in Lang for the same reason. He is raising his value too high for us to use that 4th on him.

BigGems, I am thinking more and more that the Cowboys are looking at a center/OG because as we all know Proctor cant cut it, he is a joke. I remember that the Cowboys looked at the top 2 centers for sure. So, I am thinking they want to find a backup G. Wood can do this, play G and Center too. Granted im not fond of drafting him in 2nd round, but if Wood is there or Duke Robinson, I say go get them. We need good backup offensive linemen that can help somewhat in the running game this year.

I want these guys for sure
OT Sebastian Vollmer - 4/5
OT Lydon Murtha - 5/6
OG Steve Rehring - 7/UDFA

Like you said Rehring might be a steal because they moved him from G to T. I wouldnt mind the Cowboys drafting Louis Vasquez in lower rounds he is alittle older too so will drop some in the draft and due to his pass blocking more than run blocking in a passing attack at college.

You're right about Nate. Besides, what makes him a talent evaluator? If he's that good, then why's he not in the FO.

Agreed on OG and C. I'm really warming to Dallas Reynolds and Louis Vasquez later in the draft.

[dbair1967]

Which is just about the only reason he's not a 2nd or 3rd round prospect...

riiigghhhttttt

[jterrell]

riiigghhhttttt

He is a similar prospect to Mike Thomas except older.

He was more productive as a football player and is about the same size.

If you draft Cosby in r6 you are looking for a guy that can give you 4 years. Cosby can do that imho whereas many 6th rounders never make a team. Now he isn't a guy you want to put on the PS for 2 years because he'd be in a walker by the time you got any use out of him but he has a role as a slot guy and return guy. Gil Brandt talked to him about playing OSU and gushed over how smart he was talking about the coverage OSU used on each play late in the game and why he scored the TD to win it.

It wouldn't break my heart if we passed on him but I would also be fine taking him. He has a very good head on his shoulders and will help someone for a while.

[PullMyFinger]

Quan Cosby will be a 27 year old rookie.

Did he go to college late or what? One of those college seniors for 4 years guys?

[ThreeSportStar80]

Sidbury won't be there in the 4th round... I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the 2nd round though.

[Rudy]

I like what I've read about Quinn (CB) and I'm just as excited as anyone about Scandrick's progress last year...but I think we should all really hold on till he gets - I don't know, maybe an interception?? before we start calling him a steal.

[silverbear]

Did he go to college late or what? One of those college seniors for 4 years guys?

He tried to play minor league baseball for a few years before going to UT...

[Macnalty]

I agree with you completely on the team concept of Kosier and Gurode making calls together on the line.

Watch for the OT kid from Oregon Fenuki Tupou he may be the better than any of your guys. Ran across him as I was watching Patrick Chung SS here is what the huddle report says about him:
"Fenuki as a RT or LG makes a lot of sense; as an LT, I'm just not convinced he the athletic talent needed to be successful. In my opinion, his impact position should be as a LG. He does a very good job in pass protection in a limited space and is a devastating run blocker. There is no doubt in my mind that this kid has Pro Bowl Left Guard written all over him. As a pulling guard, Fenuki could be one of the best. He has leadership abilities through his play on the field. He is smart and can help a LT on the inside in pass protection because of his quickness both in space and out of a three point stance. Fenuki makes the players around him better and if he is drafted and plays as a LG, he will be a LT's best friend in both pass blocking and run blocking. If you need a guard that is ready to play the day after you draft him, then you would be very smart to draft Fenuki. I'm call him Fenuki (The Volcano Man) Tupou because when this kid blocks, he erupts into his opponent before they have a chance to react and get out of the way. "

We are hoping for a diamond in the rough with all of our picks, I see Chung/Johnson/Smith(utah)/Moore in the mix for SS, OLB not sure who is going to slip but is apparent someone good is going to be available with 51 just look at the consensus on the talent it is all over the board which means slippage.

WR looks like it may bring the same slippage, have my fingers crossed for Brandon Tate but like the Johnny Know/Jarett Dillard/DJ Moore type pick for returning ST and such. Can anyone add any more names to this position?

I cannot come up with a great feeling for the DL pick and I jealous of the people who have strong convictions about the position it is really hard for me to see any talent where we are choosing.

Like the Rhett Bomar choice as long as it is later in the Draft. I am also rooting for the Txam QB.

Before we pick twice Philly and NYgiants will have picked three times, whatever we do should be well thought out and researched or we are fighting for the cellar. If Philly gets a big running back like Wells and gets Pettigrew TE we better think about retooling how we play the run. Brandon Jacobs is an anomaly now but add two more games with a back his size and I see our defense looking outmatched like against Baltimore and McClain. God it still hurts to remember that game. Hope the team remembers on draft day. We are Dallas, Go Cowboys.






Really love a few of the picks but I do not like Duke at 51 unless we also add a Center much earlier than you did.

Gurode needs help setting up the line and that's why Kosier is so valuable.

You really have to replace both guys imho so I am a bigger fan of a 3rd and 4th area for both positions and then set them up to start in 2010. I agree Kosier could be an excellent 6th OL.

Domonique not only didn't blaze at the combine he looked stiff so I think he falls a bit more than you indicate and we could draft him a full round later if not more.

Bomar and Sidbury would be great fits where selected. Sidbury is a day 1 3rd OLB provided Ellis isn't here and Bomar can do everything Romo can physically but probably needs that grooming time as well.

[Asa55]

great mock

[Rush 2112]

He is a similar prospect to Mike Thomas except older.

He was more productive as a football player and is about the same size.

If you draft Cosby in r6 you are looking for a guy that can give you 4 years. Cosby can do that imho whereas many 6th rounders never make a team. Now he isn't a guy you want to put on the PS for 2 years because he'd be in a walker by the time you got any use out of him but he has a role as a slot guy and return guy. Gil Brandt talked to him about playing OSU and gushed over how smart he was talking about the coverage OSU used on each play late in the game and why he scored the TD to win it.

It wouldn't break my heart if we passed on him but I would also be fine taking him. He has a very good head on his shoulders and will help someone for a while.

Quan Cosby was more productive than Mike Thomas?

You sure on that or are you just making stuff up as you go?

[jterrell]

Quan Cosby was more productive than Mike Thomas?

You sure on that or are you just making stuff up as you go?

good lord man google before you post:)

Thomas 2008: 74 catches, 826 yards and 4 TDs

Cosby 2008: 92 catches, 1123 yards and 10 TDs

[dbair1967]

Quan Cosby was more productive than Mike Thomas?

You sure on that or are you just making stuff up as you go?

I wondered where he got that too. Thomas caught 50+ more passes over his career than Cosby did, caught more tds, had a higher yds per catch and far more production as a return guy. Maybe he was strictly looking at last season

[jterrell]

I wondered where he got that too. Thomas caught 50+ more passes over his career than Cosby did, caught more tds, had a higher yds per catch and far more production as a return guy. Maybe he was strictly looking at last season

Cosby was behind Limas Sweed and other UT talent earlier in his career.

Thomas played in the pac 10 for a mid level team.

As to the return stuff Cosby averaged 25 yards per kick off return early in his career when that was what he did. Thomas was a WR only for the first two years of his career with no return duties and didn't ever reach the success on kick off returns Cosby did.

For their careers Cosby was by far the better special teams guy tho Thomas had a better year as a senior showing he can return punts. Although if you look over their careers the punt returns aren't amazingly different. Cosby averaged about what Thomas did and had 1 TD to Thomas' 2. And Cosby ended up with about as many punt returns over 4 years as Thomas did.

Again though Cosby was helping a top 10 team in these years who had major NFL talent all over the field.

Right now Thomas is a better prospect to be sure but that is because of his 5 years more youth. Otherwise these guys are very, very similar.

[Rush 2112]

good lord man google before you post:)

Thomas 2008: 74 catches, 826 yards and 4 TDs

Cosby 2008: 92 catches, 1123 yards and 10 TDs

Still wrong........

259 catches vs 212

23 TD's vs 19

[Rush 2112]

Cosby was behind Limas Sweed and other UT talent earlier in his career.

Thomas played in the pac 10 for a mid level team.

As to the return stuff Cosby averaged 25 yards per kick off return early in his career when that was what he did. Thomas was a WR only for the first two years of his career with no return duties and didn't ever reach the success on kick off returns Cosby did.

For their careers Cosby was by far the better special teams guy tho Thomas had a better year as a senior showing he can return punts. Although if you look over their careers the punt returns aren't amazingly different. Cosby averaged about what Thomas did and had 1 TD to Thomas' 2. And Cosby ended up with about as many punt returns over 4 years as Thomas did.

Again though Cosby was helping a top 10 team in these years who had major NFL talent all over the field.

Right now Thomas is a better prospect to be sure but that is because of his 5 years more youth. Otherwise these guys are very, very similar.


Fortunately I have some experience watching the Zimmer defense.

Line your corners up 15 yards off the ball and back pedal like crazy:lmao2: :lmao:

Cosby career KOR = 23.7

Thomas career KOR = 23.4

Let's PRETEND it's a push at PR duty.

Who has been more productive in their careers which was your first comment?

Next, you'll go back to Cosby was playing behind all that NFL talent at UT.

The WR's who shall remain anonymous.....

Limas Sweed and who?

I really do like the "for their careers Cosby was a much better special team player" effort.

Proven to be dead wrong, but nice try.

[Biggems]

Fortunately I have some experience watching the Zimmer defense.

Line your corners up 15 yards off the ball and back pedal like crazy:lmao2: :lmao:

Cosby career KOR = 23.7

Thomas career KOR = 23.4

Let's PRETEND it's a push at PR duty.

Who has been more productive in their careers which was your first comment?

Next, you'll go back to Cosby was playing behind all that NFL talent at UT.

The WR's who shall remain anonymous.....

Limas Sweed and who?

I really do like the "for their careers Cosby was a much better special team player" effort.

Proven to be dead wrong, but nice try.

Jordan Shipley, David Thomas, Jermichael Finley

Also, In Cosby's first year, he had Vince as his QB. We all know Vince wasn't exactly pass happy. Yes, he had his games where he did well passing, but UT was more of a rushing team with Vince and Charles.

[Hostile]

Mike Thomas first 3 years he did very little as far as Punt Returns because Arizona had a guy named Antoine Cason. He started returning Kicks in 2007, but for his career only returned 41 kickoffs. The stat that jumps off the page about their respective Special Teams contributions is as Punt Returners. In his 4 year career Thomas had 5 Fair Catches. Crosby had 5 in just his Freshman year. Oh, he had 35 in his 4 year career. In 2008 Crosby returned 18 Punts. He fair caught 12 of those 18.

In only 1 season as a true Punt Returner Mike Thomas scored on 2 Punt Returns in his 35 career Punt Returns. Crosby only scored once in 4 years of duty and 68 Punt Returns.

Crosby played with a QB who is miles better than Thomas played with.

Age has very little to do with why Thomas is a better Pro prospect. Very little.

[PullMyFinger]

He tried to play minor league baseball for a few years before going to UT...


Gotcha

[The Realist]

Mike Thomas first 3 years he did very little as far as Punt Returns because Arizona had a guy named Antoine Cason. He started returning Kicks in 2007, but for his career only returned 41 kickoffs. The stat that jumps off the page about their respective Special Teams contributions is as Punt Returners. In his 4 year career Thomas had 5 Fair Catches. Crosby had 5 in just his Freshman year. Oh, he had 35 in his 4 year career. In 2008 Crosby returned 18 Punts. He fair caught 12 of those 18.

In only 1 season as a true Punt Returner Mike Thomas scored on 2 Punt Returns in his 35 career Punt Returns. Crosby only scored once in 4 years of duty and 68 Punt Returns.

Crosby played with a QB who is miles better than Thomas played with.

Age has very little to do with why Thomas is a better Pro prospect. Very little.

School is over........

Cosby is/has been more productive?

Cosby was a much better special team player?

I think those have been handled now.

[CATCH17]

Would you plug Robinson in at left guard if Kosier gets hurt or even if he doesn't?

From what i've read about Chung hes a slightly faster Roy...I doubt many of us want to sit through that again. I'd think about swapping him (chung) for Michael Hamlin. From what i've read hes one of the better safties when it comes to being a ball hawk, which the team could use imo.

Readin on Sidbury I'm starting to think he'd be a perfect match on the other side of Ware.

Johnson reminds me of Vikings Winfield, decent/ok in coverage but a sure tackler but with better vision (I like Winfield)

No to Bomar. I just dont like him and dont think he will fit our offense. A guy i'd look at is Stephen McGee from Texas A&M. Seen limited time his Sr year but when hes started and played the previouse 3 season hes been steller.

Lawl no.

[jterrell]

Fortunately I have some experience watching the Zimmer defense.

Line your corners up 15 yards off the ball and back pedal like crazy:lmao2: :lmao:

Cosby career KOR = 23.7

Thomas career KOR = 23.4

Let's PRETEND it's a push at PR duty.

Who has been more productive in their careers which was your first comment?

Next, you'll go back to Cosby was playing behind all that NFL talent at UT.

The WR's who shall remain anonymous.....

Limas Sweed and who?

I really do like the "for their careers Cosby was a much better special team player" effort.

Proven to be dead wrong, but nice try.

Good lord. When it comes to scouting everyone will be wrong on various players but if you believe what you are posting here you are simply too stuck on a player to allow brain function.

I actually love Dallas area high schoolers and Thomas is a Desoto grad. I certainly don't dislike him. But I did dislike how he looked running routes and catching the ball in shorts at the combine.

Beyond that, yes, I said who was more productive as a college player. And again that is Cosby. He had the best year of either guy overall and as their final seasons and did so for a top 10 team. Any lead Thomas has in "career" stats stems mostly from his freshman year. While Thomas was getting major playing time on a team with 0 draftable pass catchers, Cosby was a special teamer on a team that had a number of NFL draftees and was a National Championship squad.

Cosby may have averaged only .4 yards more per kick off return but a) that is still better and b) he actually had a fair amount of kick offs to his name--- over 70 compared to the 42 for Thomas. Mike Thomas was not a special teamer at all his first two years at the school. Cosby started out on special teams with some spot duty at WR.

Texas ran a run-based offense until last year when a banged up Cosby still had a hugely productive season.

Again these guys are very similar except the age difference and that makes Thomas a much more appealing prospect. But if these guys were the same age then what Cosby did at UT for a Big 12 national championship contender would be considered a far greater collegiate resume than Mike Thomas' numbers at Arizona who has a game on national tv about once a month.

I wouldn't feel I had to draft either guy.

Mike Thomas is overrated because his 40 time is impressive and Cosby is a really old guy incoming rookie. I worried in taking TNew because he was 24 so Cosby at 27 certianly doesn't excite me except as a late round get.

But I'd not hesitate at all in r6 to draft either guy. They are the same type slot guy/Special Teamer with the exception that Thomas can give you a lot longer career provided he stays healthy.

As to the UT guys yes Limas Sweed who was a r2 draftee, Bo Scaife who was a r6 TE, Jermichael Finley who was a r3 TE, David Thomas who was a r3 TE and Jordan Shipley who is still there but is a 5th year senior and a definite NFL prospect.

The last Arizona WR/TE who was drafted prior to r7 was Bobby Wade in 2003.

The Wildcats have put a lot of really good defenders in the NFL but they really haven't added any offensive talent to speak of.

[jterrell]

Lawl no.

What do you not like about him?

He has shown he can both throw and run, he has shown he is tough. He did suffer injuries but that's because Fran made him a fullback on more plays than he has him act as a true QB. He really passed well the few times they opened it up. And he had great success against Texas compared to how crappy TAMU was most of the time. I guess as a UT fan maybe it is just that bias.

He looked really good at the combine. He has the numbers on paper and I'd love him as a late round get who sits a couple years with nothing more than a 10 play package.