A European Vacation for Barry and 500 of his closest friends.

[Cajuncowboy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/29/obama-london-visit-uk-g20

[ShiningStar]

and why shoudn't he CC, hes worked very hard on breaking this country.

[DIAF]

Are you seriously deriding the president for going to the G20 Summit?

[Cajuncowboy]

and why shoudn't he CC, hes worked very hard on breaking this country.

Are you kidding, he hasn't even broken a sweat yet. Just wait and see what else he does.

[MetalHead]

501,don't leave out the teleprompter....
Let's see what the UK press says about what they see...after all,they don't get a tickle up their leg when they hear him.

[Hoofbite]

Are you seriously deriding the president for going to the G20 Summit?

Kind of what I was wondering.

[ethiostar]

How is this any different than any other ex-presidents? Seriously, i don't know so i'm asking.

Unless this is a big diparture from how other presidents conducted themselves, why is this even worth posting?

[ethiostar]

I don't know how dependable it is but here is a link with some info on GW's entourage..

http://haha.nu/misc/bushs-entourage/

President George W. Bush's travel entourage, complete with:

* 250 secret service agents
* 200 representatives from other U.S. departments
* 150 National Security Advisors
* 50 White House political aides
* 15 dog sniffer teams
* 5 personal chefs
* 2 Boeing 747-200's
* 2 motorcades of 20 armored vehicles
* 1 chartered jumbo jet
* 1 Sikorsky Sea King helicopter
* 1 Black Hawk helicopter
* 1 limousine

[Cajuncowboy]

How is this any different than any other ex-presidents? Seriously, i don't know so i'm asking.

Unless this is a big diparture from how other presidents conducted themselves, why is this even worth posting?

From my understanding most presidents travel with a personal contingent of 200-250 people. That includes advance personnel, personal staff and security. Unless they are going to an area where it is deemed more appropriate to bring more people, for security reasons, they shouldn't go over 300 from what I was told.

When Bush came to PA a few years back and I was involved with arranging some of event, that was the number we had. There were approximately 50 advance people that came in prior to his visit.

That is why this was worth posting. :rolleyes:

[DIAF]

From my understanding most presidents travel with a personal contingent of 200-250 people. That includes advance personnel, personal staff and security. Unless they are going to an area where it is deemed more appropriate to bring more people, for security reasons, they shouldn't go over 300 from what I was told.

When Bush came to PA a few years back and I was involved with arranging some of event, that was the number we had. There were approximately 50 advance people that came in prior to his visit.

That is why this was worth posting. :rolleyes:

ahem.

I don't know how dependable it is but here is a link with some info on GW's entourage..

http://haha.nu/misc/bushs-entourage/

President George W. Bush's travel entourage, complete with:

* 250 secret service agents
* 200 representatives from other U.S. departments
* 150 National Security Advisors
* 50 White House political aides
* 15 dog sniffer teams
* 5 personal chefs
* 2 Boeing 747-200's
* 2 motorcades of 20 armored vehicles
* 1 chartered jumbo jet
* 1 Sikorsky Sea King helicopter
* 1 Black Hawk helicopter
* 1 limousine

Yeah, because traveling to PA and traveling overseas for a highly-visible, protester-magnet event are EXACTLY alike.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot more people in Obama's entourage that we DON'T know about as well. Ditto for Bush's.

[adamc91115]

Obama shouldn't need any secret service...

I thought he was going to make the world love us :lmao2:.

[DragonCowboy]

I don't know how dependable it is but here is a link with some info on GW's entourage..

http://haha.nu/misc/bushs-entourage/

President George W. Bush's travel entourage, complete with:

* 250 secret service agents
* 200 representatives from other U.S. departments
* 150 National Security Advisors
* 50 White House political aides
* 15 dog sniffer teams
* 5 personal chefs
* 2 Boeing 747-200's
* 2 motorcades of 20 armored vehicles
* 1 chartered jumbo jet
* 1 Sikorsky Sea King helicopter
* 1 Black Hawk helicopter
* 1 limousine

From my understanding most presidents travel with a personal contingent of 200-250 people. That includes advance personnel, personal staff and security. Unless they are going to an area where it is deemed more appropriate to bring more people, for security reasons, they shouldn't go over 300 from what I was told.

When Bush came to PA a few years back and I was involved with arranging some of event, that was the number we had. There were approximately 50 advance people that came in prior to his visit.

That is why this was worth posting. :rolleyes:


Oops. :lmao2:

[ShiningStar]

More than 500 officials and staff will accompany the president on his tour this week - along with a mass of high-tech security equipment, including the $300,000 presidential limousine, known as The Beast. Fitted with night-vision camera, reinforced steel plating, tear- gas cannon and oxygen tanks, the vehicle is the ultimate in heavy armoured transport.


In addition, a team from the White House kitchen will travel with the president to prepare his food. As one official put it: "When the president travels, the White House travels with him, right down to the car he drives, the water he drinks, the gasoline he uses, the food he eats. America is still the sole superpower and the president must have the ability to handle any crisis, anywhere, any time."



Wheres the ninja henchmen. No love for the ninjas. For a peaceful man, he sure knows people are out to get him.

[Hoofbite]

ahem.

Yeah, because traveling to PA and traveling overseas for a highly-visible, protester-magnet event are EXACTLY alike.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot more people in Obama's entourage that we DON'T know about as well. Ditto for Bush's.

Undoubtedly there are probably hundreds more that no one knows about. Who cares?

I don't understand how anyone could be mad at this.

[Cajuncowboy]

Oops. :lmao2:

Oops nothing. I know what Bush traveled with and there were nowhere close to that number.

Now maybe it IS different with foreign travel, I'm sure there is some additional personnel. I was going on what I know. And if I am wrong on foreign travel, then I'm wrong.

[Cajuncowboy]

Undoubtedly there are probably hundreds more that no one knows about. Who cares?

I don't understand how anyone could be mad at this.

Who the hell is mad?

[Jordan55]

Reuters is running a story on the Obama administration’s new federally subsidized counseling services/referrals for those suffering from depression related to the economy. As usual, the government’s prescription for pain is…more government. The economic psychology guide was developed with help from the Departments of Labor, HUD, Treasury, and GSA.

From the SAMHSA.gov website:

Economic turmoil (e.g., increased unemployment, foreclosures, loss of investments and other financial distress) can result in a whole host of negative health effects - both physical and mental. It can be particularly devastating to your emotional and mental well-being. Although each of us is affected differently by economic troubles, these problems can add tremendous stress, which in turn can substantially increase the risk for developing such problems as:

Depression
Anxiety
Compulsive Behaviors (over-eating, excessive gambling, spending, etc.)
Substance Abuse

Warning Signs

It is important to be aware of signs that financial problems may be adversely affecting your emotional or mental well being –or that of someone you care about. These signs include:

Persistent Sadness/Crying
Excessive Anxiety
Lack of Sleep/Constant Fatigue
Excessive Irritability/Anger
Increased drinking
Illicit drug use, including misuse of medications
Difficulty paying attention or staying focused
Apathy - not caring about things that are usually important to you
Not being able to function as well at work, school or home

Well, yeah, I’ve been pretty damned irritable — from paying for the bazillion-dollar bailout bonanza, porkulus, TARP crap, GIVE/SERVE Trojan Horse, S-CHIP health care Trojan Horse, etc. etc. etc.

Generational Theft makes me cry:

[Hoofbite]

Who the hell is mad?

Sorry, mad is probably not the right word.

How about care?

How can anyone care?

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't know how dependable it is but here is a link with some info on GW's entourage..

http://haha.nu/misc/bushs-entourage/

President George W. Bush's travel entourage, complete with:

* 250 secret service agents
* 200 representatives from other U.S. departments
* 150 National Security Advisors
* 50 White House political aides
* 15 dog sniffer teams
* 5 personal chefs
* 2 Boeing 747-200's
* 2 motorcades of 20 armored vehicles
* 1 chartered jumbo jet
* 1 Sikorsky Sea King helicopter
* 1 Black Hawk helicopter
* 1 limousine

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/bring-me-solo-and-the-wookiee-they-will-all-suffr-4-dis-outrage_r.jpg

[Cajuncowboy]

Sorry, mad is probably not the right word.

How about care?

How can anyone care?

Because form what I knew it seemed excessive. But as I said, if this is the norm, then I am wrong and so be it.

[ethiostar]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/bring-me-solo-and-the-wookiee-they-will-all-suffr-4-dis-outrage_r.jpg

:laugh1:

[CowboyWay]

Whats funny is you act as if Obama personally asked all these people to go.

The President doesn't get to decide the security that accompanies him, and the vast majority of the "entourage" is security. Geez.

[ConcordCowboy]

There is a Hole and then there is the Abyss...which Cajun has obviously fallen into.

[ConcordCowboy]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/bring-me-solo-and-the-wookiee-they-will-all-suffr-4-dis-outrage_r.jpg


:laugh2:

[Cajuncowboy]

There is a Hole and then there is the Abyss...which Cajun has obviously fallen into.

Just because your boy toy is screwing things up royally doesn't mean he untouchable. You obviously can't read or comprehend a thing along with your fellow goofballs.

[ChldsPlay]

Whats funny is you act as if Obama personally asked all these people to go.

The President doesn't get to decide the security that accompanies him, and the vast majority of the "entourage" is security. Geez.

According to the article, security is not included in the 500, nor are others such as the white house kitchen staff.

[BrAinPaiNt]

According to the article, security is not included in the 500, nor are others such as the white house kitchen staff.

Where did you see that the 500 did include security in that article?

I seen where the white house kitchen staff was not included in that but I did not see where the security was not included.

[WoodysGirl]

From Cajun's link

The entourage

Apart from the 200 secret service personnel who will follow Obama on his European tour, the president's entourage will also include representatives of the White House Military Office, the White House Transportation Agency, the White House Medical Unit, the Marine Corps Helicopter Squadron, the State Department Presidential Travel Support Service, the US Information Agency, the Immigration and Naturalisation Service and the Customs Service.

In addition, there will be staff from the White House kitchen ready to turn out a quick burger should the president suddenly feel peckish.

Michelle Obama will have eight of her own staff, including a secretary, a press officer and bodyguards. And Obama's personal aide Reggie Love - called by the president "the kid brother I never had" - will be at hand to provide pens, Nicorette gum, throat lozenges, tea or even aspirins.

Marine One
Obama will be ferried from Stansted to the US ambassador's residence in Regent's Park, London, in a VH-3D helicopter. For security reasons, helicopters are now preferred to motorcades, which are also dearer and more difficult to organise. Much of the current fleet of 19 presidential helicopters was built in the 1970s and after 11 September 2001, when it was decided faster and safer helicopters were needed. But last month Obama said his current presidential helicopter was "perfectly adequate", a clear sign he is ready to cancel a multibillion-pound contract to replace it.

Air Force One
Using the most famous air traffic control call sign of any US aircraft, Air Force One, the president will arrive in his customised Boeing 747-200B series aircraft.

Beyond its armoured glass in all windows, Obama will have dined in the presidential suite and could even have worked out in his personal gym and taken a shower.

The aircraft has been designed with security as its priority and is equipped with armour-plated wings capable of withstanding a nuclear blast from the ground, flares to confuse enemy missiles and electric defence systems able to jam enemy radar. Mirror-ball technology in the wings is able to scramble infra-red guidance systems. More than 200 miles of wiring are specially shielded from electromagnetic interference caused by a nuclear attack.

Should the president feel the need to retaliate offensively, Obama is able to launch a nuclear strike while flying. The aircraft, among the most photographed in the world, has 85 telephones, 19 televisions, computer suites and faxes to ensure Obama stays in touch with the outside world. At the rear of the aircraft is Obama's travelling press corps.



Secret Service
More than 200 Secret Service staff will protect the president during the trip, instantly recognisable by their dark business suits, sunglasses and communication earpieces.

John F Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and George W Bush were attacked while appearing in public. Kennedy was killed and Reagan seriously injured, while Bush survived when a hand grenade thrown towards his podium failed to detonate.

Secret Service personnel have made three missions to the UK during which they have swept venues for bugging devices, tested food for contamination and measured air quality for bacteria. Obama was offered bodyguards over a year ago following concern that his African-American roots made him a target.

[burmafrd]

I can tell you for certain that you do NOT have 250 secret service agents along for any trip. There are only 3200 total special agents in the whole agency. You are NOT going to have 8% of your entire agency along for one trip. You notice the article says Secret Service STAFF. Probably a fair number of clerical or support staff. No way would they have that many Special Agents along on one trip.

"The Secret Service has over 6,500 employees: 3,200 Special Agents, 1,300 Uniformed Division Officers, and 2,000 technical and administrative employees"

[Temo]

Reuters is running a story on the Obama administration’s new federally subsidized counseling services/referrals for those suffering from depression related to the economy. As usual, the government’s prescription for pain is…more government. The economic psychology guide was developed with help from the Departments of Labor, HUD, Treasury, and GSA.

From the SAMHSA.gov website:

Economic turmoil (e.g., increased unemployment, foreclosures, loss of investments and other financial distress) can result in a whole host of negative health effects - both physical and mental. It can be particularly devastating to your emotional and mental well-being. Although each of us is affected differently by economic troubles, these problems can add tremendous stress, which in turn can substantially increase the risk for developing such problems as:

Depression
Anxiety
Compulsive Behaviors (over-eating, excessive gambling, spending, etc.)
Substance Abuse

Warning Signs

It is important to be aware of signs that financial problems may be adversely affecting your emotional or mental well being –or that of someone you care about. These signs include:

Persistent Sadness/Crying
Excessive Anxiety
Lack of Sleep/Constant Fatigue
Excessive Irritability/Anger
Increased drinking
Illicit drug use, including misuse of medications
Difficulty paying attention or staying focused
Apathy - not caring about things that are usually important to you
Not being able to function as well at work, school or home

Well, yeah, I’ve been pretty damned irritable — from paying for the bazillion-dollar bailout bonanza, porkulus, TARP crap, GIVE/SERVE Trojan Horse, S-CHIP health care Trojan Horse, etc. etc. etc.

Generational Theft makes me cry:

Wait so you're upset that the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration, a division of the US Department of Health and Human Services, is putting out information related to mental health?

If they're not doing that, then what else do they do?

[burmafrd]

A website that is duplicated in other departments or by private concerns. Google depression and there are lots of places on the web to help. We do not need to waste our money on more.

[ChldsPlay]

Where did you see that the 500 did include security in that article?

I seen where the white house kitchen staff was not included in that but I did not see where the security was not included.

I misread a line, my bad.

[Dallas]

The Bush an Obama comparison threads are laughable.


I see half our posters in this thread bashing Bush and the other half bashing Obama. That is all fine and good. My issue is this.

Why don't you come into the other more appropriate threads where we are discussing this administrations political agenda and bills and total asinine crap Obama is slamming down Americas throats? Why are you not in those threads? Our anti-Obama posters are there. Why aren't more anti-Bush posters there?

Give a person something to bash Bush over and you get all the nancy's coming out to get a piece.

When the topic is actually about the Obama Administration and it's politics, most of you don't participcate.


To me...that says everything about our agenda oriented posters.

Congratulations.


Im not talking about pot-stirrer Brainpaint. He's everywhere w/ that stick of his. ;)

[BrAinPaiNt]

The Bush an Obama comparison threads are laughable.


I see half our posters in this thread bashing Bush and the other half bashing Obama. That is all fine and good. My issue is this.

Why don't you come into the other more appropriate threads where we are discussing this administrations political agenda and bills and total asinine crap Obama is slamming down Americas throats? Why are you not in those threads? Our anti-Obama posters are there. Why aren't more anti-Bush posters there?

Give a person something to bash Bush over and you get all the nancy's coming out to get a piece.

When the topic is actually about the Obama Administration and it's politics, most of you don't participcate.


To me...that says everything about our agenda oriented posters.

Congratulations.


Im not talking about pot-stirrer Brainpaint. He's everywhere w/ that stick of his. ;)

I think this was a good comparison to show that this is not a huge amount of difference when going to foreign meetings although the initial poster thought it was. He has since admitted that if he is wrong he is wrong.

Of all the threads to complain about, I thought this one was pretty mild.

[Dallas]

I think this was a good comparison to show that this is not a huge amount of difference when going to foreign meetings although the initial poster thought it was. He has since admitted that if he is wrong he is wrong.

Of all the threads to complain about, I thought this one was pretty mild.


It is mild, I agree. I have asked this ? before. Im sure you remember. I have yet to get a real answer about it.

I am still curious. Why stear clear of the beef? We need more left input into these unpopular Obama politics threads. All we get is the right's view.

I would love to hear more of the left's view and why they support this stuff that is going on?

For example.

Spending our way out of debt?

Handling of the auto makers - now GM appears eyeing bankruptsy (which is what they wanted to do intially)

The whole AIG uproar w/ bonuses (The Dodd effect and the Gaithner effect)


There are others....


I really want to know.

[BrAinPaiNt]

It is mild, I agree. I have asked this ? before. Im sure you remember. I have yet to get a real answer about it.

I am still curious. Why stear clear of the beef? We need more left input into these unpopular Obama politics threads. All we get is the right's view.

I would love to hear more of the left's view and why they support this stuff that is going on?

For example.

Spending our way out of debt?

Handling of the auto makers - now GM appears eyeing bankruptsy (which is what they wanted to do intially)

The whole AIG uproar w/ bonuses (The Dodd effect and the Gaithner effect)


There are others....


I really want to know.

There are a few posters that see to present their arguments as you talk about. Suspect, Canadian, Maso, Silverbear come to mind.

Contrary to what many seem to think, there are more conservatives who participate on here on a regular basis than liberals.

Not sure what else can be said to answer your question. :cool: