Obama hates North Dakota...

[lewpac]

Think "Katrina" and "New Orleans" and "George Bush" while pondering this....

President Barack Obama hates North Dakota, mid-western white people, and has allowed the Red River to destroy peoples lives while he sat back and did nothing.

This is a "natural disaster". And since Bush got blamed for a hurricane, it's time to blame Obama for flooding and winter storms.

Where's the Federal Government?
Where's the help?
Where's the funds?
Where's the compassion?
Where's President Obama?

The President is absent and ignoring these people because of their race. That's all we heard about Bush and Katrina, so it's only appropriate that we blame Obama..............not only for the lack of response, but for the actual natural disaster itself. Obama brought this disaster about, and then purposefully ignored the plight of the people because he's a racist. Again, only reciting the mantra that we got bombarded with after Katrina. It's all about race and a President who could care less (Kanye West & Spike Lee anyone?????)

This President is only concerned with his base, and could care less about those who perhaps didn't vote for him. He's catering to his constituency and leaving Americans alone to die and to lose their homes.

Doesn't he care? Where's the love? Where's the Hope? Where's the Change?

He's leaving these poor, victimized white people alone to fend for themselves and suffer, while HE goes off to other lands and tends to other, more important things...............

Again, think "Katrina/New Orleans/Bush" and get back to me..................

[Yeagermeister]

Think "Katrina" and "New Orleans" and "George Bush" while pondering this....

President Barack Obama hates North Dakota, mid-western white people, and has allowed the Red River to destroy peoples lives while he sat back and did nothing.

This is a "natural disaster". And since Bush got blamed for a hurricane, it's time to blame Obama for flooding and winter storms.

Where's the Federal Government?
Where's the help?
Where's the funds?
Where's the compassion?
Where's President Obama?

The President is absent and ignoring these people because of their race. That's all we heard about Bush and Katrina, so it's only appropriate that we blame Obama..............not only for the lack of response, but for the actual natural disaster itself. Obama brought this disaster about, and then purposefully ignored the plight of the people because he's a racist. Again, only reciting the mantra that we got bombarded with after Katrina. It's all about race and a President who could care less (Kanye West & Spike Lee anyone?????)

This President is only concerned with his base, and could care less about those who perhaps didn't vote for him. He's catering to his constituency and leaving Americans alone to die and to lose their homes.

Doesn't he care? Where's the love? Where's the Hope? Where's the Change?

He's leaving these poor, victimized white people alone to fend for themselves and suffer, while HE goes off to other lands and tends to other, more important things...............

Again, think "Katrina/New Orleans/Bush" and get back to me..................

That only works with Republicans

[ShiningStar]

To his credit he did call. Didnt care, but he called and said AFTER you are hit they will be there to help. Which means you have to earn your disaster now before you get relief, none of this prevent crap.

Only Bush can hate people, not the other way round. NOw that dems are in, its okay to let people suffer.

[Yeagermeister]

To his credit he did call. Didnt care, but he called and said AFTER you are hit they will be there to help. Which means you have to earn your disaster now before you get relief, none of this prevent crap.

Only Bush can hate people, not the other way round. NOw that dems are in, its okay to let people suffer.

Even preferred ;)

[MetalHead]

When's the telemarathon?
Where is Bono and Green Day?
Where are the Hollywood stars?

[Yeagermeister]

When's the telemarathon?
Where is Bono and Green Day?
Where are the Hollywood stars?

Not enough Dem voters :D

[ShiningStar]

if only ND loved the DNC as much as Acorn and AIG than yes, they would get a bail out too. But such is not the case. They are mainly normal folk who arent important enuff to the country to keep alive. I think Theogt said something like that in another thread, one is more important to the country than the other. So ND doesnt even have that going for them.

[iceberg]

Think "Katrina" and "New Orleans" and "George Bush" while pondering this....

President Barack Obama hates North Dakota, mid-western white people, and has allowed the Red River to destroy peoples lives while he sat back and did nothing.

This is a "natural disaster". And since Bush got blamed for a hurricane, it's time to blame Obama for flooding and winter storms.

Where's the Federal Government?
Where's the help?
Where's the funds?
Where's the compassion?
Where's President Obama?

The President is absent and ignoring these people because of their race. That's all we heard about Bush and Katrina, so it's only appropriate that we blame Obama..............not only for the lack of response, but for the actual natural disaster itself. Obama brought this disaster about, and then purposefully ignored the plight of the people because he's a racist. Again, only reciting the mantra that we got bombarded with after Katrina. It's all about race and a President who could care less (Kanye West & Spike Lee anyone?????)

This President is only concerned with his base, and could care less about those who perhaps didn't vote for him. He's catering to his constituency and leaving Americans alone to die and to lose their homes.

Doesn't he care? Where's the love? Where's the Hope? Where's the Change?

He's leaving these poor, victimized white people alone to fend for themselves and suffer, while HE goes off to other lands and tends to other, more important things...............

Again, think "Katrina/New Orleans/Bush" and get back to me..................

no. it was stupid when it was done to bush and it's stupid now. this insane desire for PAYBACK sucks.

[ScipioCowboy]

When's the telemarathon?
Where is Bono and Green Day?
Where are the Hollywood stars?

If they do host a telethon, I dare you to go on it and announce to the entire country that "President Obama hates white people" a la P. Diddy.

It would be an instant classic!
:lmao2:

[ShiningStar]

no. it was stupid when it was done to bush and it's stupid now. this insane desire for PAYBACK sucks.


you dont understand the backlash white people got for that. OMG it was soo wrong. Its only a show of, now that you are in the position, does it seem right. Sure it is stupid, it was stupid when people that could benefit from it did it and its stupid now.

I;ll be honest, the one thing i like about Obama being in the office is that Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are quiet around here. Nothing about people in Kansas without power, nothing about the people in ND, just the big O doing a great job by them and all is okay.

[iceberg]

you dont understand the backlash white people got for that. OMG it was soo wrong. Its only a show of, now that you are in the position, does it seem right. Sure it is stupid, it was stupid when people that could benefit from it did it and its stupid now.

I;ll be honest, the one thing i like about Obama being in the office is that Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are quiet around here. Nothing about people in Kansas without power, nothing about the people in ND, just the big O doing a great job by them and all is okay.

no. you're right. how could i EVER understand the plight of the whiteman?

it was stupid. if you thought it was stupid then the trick is to not BE stupid just because you can.

[ShiningStar]

no. you're right. how could i EVER understand the plight of the whiteman?

it was stupid. if you thought it was stupid then the trick is to not BE stupid just because you can.


I personally dont care, didnt care when they did it to Bush. Im not saying the white man, nor do you understand. I should have said the media and their hype of it.


Its stupid because it doesnt fall under the jurisdiction for the Prez to do anything. But that doesnt stop finger pointers and that doesnt stop others from doing the same thing.

I dont agree with it, but with everything else, cant stop it. But this was a country that believed in eye for an eye. Had people kept quiet the first time around this wouldnt happen. But no, had to have a say and had to make a quick buck.

[sbark]

Even the democrats work up here in N.Dak........Live west of Fargo, out of Flood area. Schools & Colleges shut down so kids could help on the dikes, all non-essential business shut down so everyone could help.....

Brother In Law had to evac for 5 days

Former Gov & Secty of Ag Ed Schaffer ended up drivng dump truck hauling sand and clay to dikes after org. driver was on 12 hr shift and was wore out.

Water dropping now at rate of 12"/day, but still on high alert...Areas west of Fargo got up to 24" of snow, Fargo area 10"....so a quick warmup not needed....another snow forecast for Friday...

Not that they didnt use any Fed. money, Natl Guard etc.....but local effort was tremendous....

No looting, didnt see one person sitting on the rooftop waiting for Obama salvation, nobody shot at workers on dikes......

Jon Stewart on the flood:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220617&title=cnn-stop-the-press

[WoodysGirl]

Sad...and I hate to feel like an Obama defender, when a simple google search
would've done the trick.

Obama monitors flooding, pledges federal help
By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -- Seeking to avoid a Hurricane Katrina-like leadership failure, President Barack Obama assured the nation Saturday he was keeping close watch on the Midwest floods and putting the government's full weight behind efforts to prevent disaster.

"Even as we face an economic crisis which demands our constant focus, forces of nature can also intervene in ways that create other crises to which we must respond - and respond urgently," the president said in his weekly radio and Internet address.

"I will continue to monitor the situation carefully," he pledged. "We will do what must be done to help."

Obama also implored residents of North Dakota, South Dakota and Minnesota to be vigilant in reading flood-condition reports and to follow instructions from federal, state and local officials should evacuation be necessary. He repeatedly praised volunteers stockpiling sandbags and building levees, saying "their service isn't just inspirational - it's integral to our response."

In North Dakota, Fargo's fears of a catastrophic flood eased Saturday with word that the Red River apparently crested at lower-than-expected levels, and weary residents turned their attention to ensuring their hastily built levees hold up against an onslaught of ice-laden water expected to stay high for at least a week.

Obama was spending the weekend at Camp David before leaving Tuesday for a nearly weeklong European trip to address the global economic crisis with leaders of other world powers. But aides stressed that he was being kept abreast of the Midwest flooding despite being away from the White House.

In office just two months, Obama and his team no doubt are mindful of the Bush administration's bungled response in August 2005 to Hurricane Katrina, which devastated the Gulf Coast and highlighted the country's racial and economic divisions. George W. Bush's popularity took a beating in Katrina's aftermath, and the hurricane has been held up ever since as a symbol of the federal government's incompetence.

Obama used his weekly address to go to great lengths to describe all that the federal government has been doing as bulging rivers and streams threatened Midwest communities over the past few days. Aides said federal, state and local officials have been coordinating for more than a week.

Over the past few days, Obama signed emergency and disaster declarations for North Dakota and Minnesota, triggering federal support to help state and local officials who already had efforts under way. On Saturday, he indicated that help for South Dakota could come soon, saying his aides were "keeping close watch on the situation" there.

The Homeland Security Department and the Federal Emergency Management Agency were coordinating the federal response.

Obama said the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the Coast Guard, the Defense Department, the National Guard and the Health and Human Services Department, as well as the American Red Cross, were involved.

"At moments like these, we are reminded of the power of nature to disrupt lives and endanger communities," Obama said. "But we are also reminded of the power of individuals to make a difference."

On that note, he reaffirmed his support for legislation Congress is expected to send to him in the week ahead that would give tens of thousands of people more opportunities to mentor children, clean parks and help the poor, a sweeping call to national service in a time of need.


http://www.miamiherald.com/obama/story/972148.html

[ShiningStar]

Yes he said he would monitor and offer aid. But the disaster would have to come first. You can throw money at a bad company, but dont you dare throw it at people first who could use it.

[lewpac]

Yeah, well................Bush "monitored" Katrina from the air, and "pledged" help too..................

See, what we all have to understand is not just what Bush did or didn't do AFTER Katrina, but that BUSH WAS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR KATRINA!!!

He planned it.
Chaney hatched the whole affair.
It was done for no other reason than to "hate" on black folk.
Haliburton had something to do with it too.
Karl Rove was in on it.


THAT was the spin and accepted "google" from the left, the Democrats, and the main-stream media. In fact, it was so thick that I was waiting for Bush to get credit when the next three hurricanes fizzled and didn't cause any damage. I figured that if the President was personally responsible for bringing Katrina about, then he MUST get credit for hurricanes that "missed".

Of course, we never heard THAT!!

So, for the recored, and for the sake of continuity and fairness, I say that Obama PLANNED the Fargo/Morehead disaster, and then sat back and did nothing because he hates white people...................

Just for the sake of FAIRNESS you understand.

[WoodysGirl]

*Sigh* Ay yi yi...Maybe I should've just left well enough alone since the goal is to prove Obama's a dog like most politicians.

I mean, who cares if people already knows that fact. No, we must reach for nonsense to prove a point.

[iceberg]

Yeah, well................Bush "monitored" Katrina from the air, and "pledged" help too..................

See, what we all have to understand is not just what Bush did or didn't do AFTER Katrina, but that BUSH WAS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR KATRINA!!!

He planned it.
Chaney hatched the whole affair.
It was done for no other reason than to "hate" on black folk.
Haliburton had something to do with it too.
Karl Rove was in on it.


THAT was the spin and accepted "google" from the left, the Democrats, and the main-stream media. In fact, it was so thick that I was waiting for Bush to get credit when the next three hurricanes fizzled and didn't cause any damage. I figured that if the President was personally responsible for bringing Katrina about, then he MUST get credit for hurricanes that "missed".

Of course, we never heard THAT!!

So, for the recored, and for the sake of continuity and fairness, I say that Obama PLANNED the Fargo/Morehead disaster, and then sat back and did nothing because he hates white people...................

Just for the sake of FAIRNESS you understand.

did people say that?

yep. people can say a lot of stupid things.

but HOW MANY people actually believed it? very few. so punish us for the voices of the stupid mini-minority and keep the stupid alive.

thank you.

[sbark]

*Sigh* Ay yi yi...Maybe I should've just left well enough alone since the goal is to prove Obama's a dog like most politicians.

I mean, who cares if people already knows that fact. No, we must reach for nonsense to prove a point.

Obama fine on this one.(hate to admit it).....he actually did what he is supposed to-----stay the #$%%^$ out of the way..

...its what he should be doing w/everything else......

[ethiostar]

This is the kind of garbage that keeps people away from paying attention to politics and actually talking about real issues.

[ShiningStar]

This is the kind of garbage that keeps people away from paying attention to politics and actually talking about real issues.


Like the fact he picked another tax cheat?

[ethiostar]

Like the fact he picked another tax cheat?

Sure why not. Anything is better than this crap.

[lewpac]

You're missing the point..................

It's like the Eagles. It's not the actual players I resent, it's the fan base.

It's not "Obama" really. He seems like a decent chap to me. Idiot politically? Yeah, for sure. But not "evil". I'd have a beer with the guy I guess. Plus, I live in Hawaii where he's from, so how could I hate the guy?

No, it's not "the man", just as it's not the actual "Eagles". It's the "movement". The fans. It's the agenda.

The hatred and vitriol toward Bush was indeed such that they actually blamed him for the actual weather-based tragedy. And then blamed him for anything and everything thereafter.

It's a "watch what you pray for" thing. We had to put up with the psychotic and bitter, gutter sniping left for eight years. And I never heard a peep from the "enough already" and "can't we all just get along" crowd that I'm hearing now! Where were you the last eight years when we had to endure such malarkey and ridiculous assertions?

Yeah, now that YOUR GUY is in office, we're all supposed to "grow up" and be "mature" and "civilized", huh? Now, conspiracy theories and whacko accusations are being called out huh?

Well, I for one, I'm going to take the "low road" that seemed to be the acceptable and "given" approach for almost a decade. And, I adjure others to do likewise. I'm going to call Obama out for every little stupid thing they called Bush out on.

Every verbal misstep. Every association. Every decision. Every appointment. Every policy. Every policy boondagle. Every fashion faux pa. Every bad haircut. Everything..................................

Because, the party of "tolerance" and "inclusion" and "understanding" and "compassion" and "multiculturalism" and "cumbaya" did nothing BUT THAT for the last eight years................

Party on dude............................................

[ethiostar]

[QUOTE]You're missing the point..................

It's like the Eagles. It's not the actual players I resent, it's the fan base.

It's not "Obama" really. He seems like a decent chap to me. Idiot politically? Yeah, for sure. But not "evil". I'd have a beer with the guy I guess. Plus, I live in Hawaii where he's from, so how could I hate the guy?

No, it's not "the man", just as it's not the actual "Eagles". It's the "movement". The fans. It's the agenda.

The hatred and vitriol toward Bush was indeed such that they actually blamed him for the actual weather-based tragedy. And then blamed him for anything and everything thereafter.

It's a "watch what you pray for" thing. We had to put up with the psychotic and bitter, gutter sniping left for eight years. And I never heard a peep from the "enough already" and "can't we all just get along" crowd that I'm hearing now! Where were you the last eight years when we had to endure such malarkey and ridiculous assertions?


Personally, i wasn't around this forum much until the last year. And in this particular Zone, i started peeping in around the election time. And soon after i stopped participating in it altogether and occasionally lurked to see if there was any news posted here that i had missed elsewhere. The reason i stopped participating and coming to this zone was because i got tired of the extremists on both sides hijacking every thread and turning it in to a mud slinging and pissing context. It was very rare to find a thread in which people actually talked about 'issues' without resorting to 'well your party did this', 'my party is better', etc....

I guess it's time for me to go back to lurking here occasionally. I thought things were getting turning around for the better there for a while.

Yeah, now that YOUR GUY is in office, we're all supposed to "grow up" and be "mature" and "civilized", huh? Now, conspiracy theories and whacko accusations are being called out huh?

I don't know if you're talking to me but he is not my guy. I didn't vote for him. I am neither a democrat/liberal nor a republican/conservative. I don't identify myself with a particular party. There things that i like and don't like about both sides. It depends on the issue at hand.

Well, I for one, I'm going to take the "low road" that seemed to be the acceptable and "given" approach for almost a decade. And, I adjure others to do likewise. I'm going to call Obama out for every little stupid thing they called Bush out on.

That's great to hear.

Every verbal misstep. Every association. Every decision. Every appointment. Every policy. Every policy boondagle. Every fashion faux pa. Every bad haircut. Everything..................................

Because, the party of "tolerance" and "inclusion" and "understanding" and "compassion" and "multiculturalism" and "cumbaya" did nothing BUT THAT for the last eight years................

Party on dude............................................

Party on Garth.

[lewpac]

If your not a "democrat/liberal" or a "republican/conservative", then you're part of the problem.

Make a decision man. Take a stand. Decide. Do SOMETHING, ANYTHING to forward SOMETHING.................

This idea and idiot stance of "I'm a moderate" is bull****. It sounds all "chic" and "cool" and "open minded" and "fair", but it's a cop-out. You're catering to some "pie in the sky" agenda that it's somehow "high minded" and "above the fray" to be "independent".

But in reality, you're a coward. You're afraid to put a stake in the ground, stand your ground, and DECIDE where you're at. I have NO USE for this spineless fringe, like you, who "love everyone" and "it depends on the issue" bull ****.

Either get on board a movement, push an agenda, care about SOMETHING, or get out of the way. Just stay home on election day, because if you don't have enough info to decide by now, you're brain dead.

There's no "gray area" in American politics at this point. It's very clear. It's US AGAINST THEM from top to bottom. Anyone still talking about "independant" and "moderation" is a fool.

[WoodysGirl]

Wassup Cuz? Wassup blood?

What set you claim, homes?

[ShiningStar]

If your not a "democrat/liberal" or a "republican/conservative", then you're part of the problem.

Make a decision man. Take a stand. Decide. Do SOMETHING, ANYTHING to forward SOMETHING.................

This idea and idiot stance of "I'm a moderate" is bull****. It sounds all "chic" and "cool" and "open minded" and "fair", but it's a cop-out. You're catering to some "pie in the sky" agenda that it's somehow "high minded" and "above the fray" to be "independent".

But in reality, you're a coward. You're afraid to put a stake in the ground, stand your ground, and DECIDE where you're at. I have NO USE for this spineless fringe, like you, who "love everyone" and "it depends on the issue" bull ****.

Either get on board a movement, push an agenda, care about SOMETHING, or get out of the way. Just stay home on election day, because if you don't have enough info to decide by now, you're brain dead.

There's no "gray area" in American politics at this point. It's very clear. It's US AGAINST THEM from top to bottom. Anyone still talking about "independant" and "moderation" is a fool.


This is actually what i do, because both parties have failed the country.

[ScipioCowboy]

Wassup Cuz? Wassup blood?

What set you claim, homes?

I can make the blood gang sign.

I've considered taking it down to East Austin to try it out.:D

[ethiostar]

[QUOTE]If your not a "democrat/liberal" or a "republican/conservative", then you're part of the problem.

Make a decision man. Take a stand. Decide. Do SOMETHING, ANYTHING to forward SOMETHING.................

So if i don't get on an online forum and rant like a crazy maniac that means i'm not doing anything? All you're your doing here is talking, it's not even talking really, you're just making noise. A noise that is so absurd that people who are right of center have already called you out on it, in this thread.

I take a stand, but i take a stand on issues NOT because of party loyalty. You don't know what i do with my time. You don't know toward what goals i spend my time and energy on. Once again you're just making noise.

And like they say, "An empty barrel makes the most noise."

This idea and idiot stance of "I'm a moderate" is bull****. It sounds all "chic" and "cool" and "open minded" and "fair", but it's a cop-out. You're catering to some "pie in the sky" agenda that it's somehow "high minded" and "above the fray" to be "independent".

Now your just talking out of your ***.

But in reality, you're a coward. You're afraid to put a stake in the ground, stand your ground, and DECIDE where you're at. I have NO USE for this spineless fringe, like you, who "love everyone" and "it depends on the issue" bull ****.

So if i don't stand on the highest mountain or in this case a forum and yell out how much i hate Bush or Obama, i'm a coward?

Ok tough guy. You da' man.

Either get on board a movement, push an agenda, care about SOMETHING, or get out of the way. Just stay home on election day, because if you don't have enough info to decide by now, you're brain dead.

You mean care about ONE party and ONE party alone. Once again, issues is what i care about.

There's no "gray area" in American politics at this point. It's very clear. It's US AGAINST THEM from top to bottom. Anyone still talking about "independant" and "moderation" is a fool.

Maybe for you and those who blindly follow a donkey or an elephant. But for those who are actually have the power, they don't don't give a **** about you or me. And as long as we bicker among ourselves about this kind of silly ****, it serves their purpose really well.

But, thanks for the name calling and attempted ridicule, you really showed me. You're a real internet tough guy. Keep up the good work. My lunch money is in the mail.

[TheCount]

If your not a "democrat/liberal" or a "republican/conservative", then you're part of the problem.

Make a decision man. Take a stand. Decide. Do SOMETHING, ANYTHING to forward SOMETHING.................

This idea and idiot stance of "I'm a moderate" is bull****. It sounds all "chic" and "cool" and "open minded" and "fair", but it's a cop-out. You're catering to some "pie in the sky" agenda that it's somehow "high minded" and "above the fray" to be "independent".

But in reality, you're a coward. You're afraid to put a stake in the ground, stand your ground, and DECIDE where you're at. I have NO USE for this spineless fringe, like you, who "love everyone" and "it depends on the issue" bull ****.

Either get on board a movement, push an agenda, care about SOMETHING, or get out of the way. Just stay home on election day, because if you don't have enough info to decide by now, you're brain dead.

There's no "gray area" in American politics at this point. It's very clear. It's US AGAINST THEM from top to bottom. Anyone still talking about "independant" and "moderation" is a fool.

No disrespect, but this is the perfect example of the type of person that should actually be the ones staying home on election day.

[WoodysGirl]

I can make the blood gang sign.

I've considered taking it down to East Austin to try it out.:D
Maybe you shouldn't. We kinda like seeing your posts on this board.

[ethiostar]

Wassup Cuz? Wassup blood?

What set you claim, homes?
:laugh1:

[trickblue]

*Sigh* Ay yi yi...Maybe I should've just left well enough alone since the goal is to prove Obama's a dog like most politicians.

I mean, who cares if people already knows that fact. No, we must reach for nonsense to prove a point.

Apparently he loves Americans who cheat on their taxes... ;)

[WoodysGirl]

Apparently he loves Americans who cheat on their taxes... ;)
Heh.. Only those who he can nominate.

[DIAF]

If your not a "democrat/liberal" or a "republican/conservative", then you're part of the problem.

Make a decision man. Take a stand. Decide. Do SOMETHING, ANYTHING to forward SOMETHING.................

This idea and idiot stance of "I'm a moderate" is bull****. It sounds all "chic" and "cool" and "open minded" and "fair", but it's a cop-out. You're catering to some "pie in the sky" agenda that it's somehow "high minded" and "above the fray" to be "independent".

But in reality, you're a coward. You're afraid to put a stake in the ground, stand your ground, and DECIDE where you're at. I have NO USE for this spineless fringe, like you, who "love everyone" and "it depends on the issue" bull ****.

Either get on board a movement, push an agenda, care about SOMETHING, or get out of the way. Just stay home on election day, because if you don't have enough info to decide by now, you're brain dead.

There's no "gray area" in American politics at this point. It's very clear. It's US AGAINST THEM from top to bottom. Anyone still talking about "independant" and "moderation" is a fool.

This has to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on this board. I wasn't aware that differing with Liberals/Conservatives on some issues meant you had to disagree with them on EVERYTHING.

You are what is wrong with politics. **** this tribal mentality, the "Us against Them", the "Good guy and bad BS", the "My party, right or wrong". No one side is 100% right or wrong. Take stands on the issues. Not on a team. Don't be a mindless, bleating sheep.

[trickblue]

Heh.. Only those who he can nominate.

The fact that this keeps happening is sad...

[ethiostar]

The fact that this keeps happening is sad...

Maybe the vetting process should take place behind the scene before he announces the nominees, IDK.

[trickblue]

Maybe the vetting process should take place behind the scene before he announces the nominees, IDK.

Maybe so... he isn't coming across as he promised...

[ScipioCowboy]

Maybe you shouldn't. We kinda like seeing your posts on this board.

Aw, shucks. Thanks, WG. I kinda like you too.:o::p:

[ethiostar]

Aw, shucks. Thanks, WG. I kinda like you too.:o::p:

bbgun will be here shortly to defend his honor. ;)

[ScipioCowboy]

bbgun will be here shortly to defend his honor. ;)

My "like" is strictly platonic in nature...or my wife would become quite vexed and I wouldn't need to visit East Austin in order to get gunned down.:D

[Hoofbite]

If your not a "democrat/liberal" or a "republican/conservative", then you're part of the problem.

Make a decision man. Take a stand. Decide. Do SOMETHING, ANYTHING to forward SOMETHING.................

This idea and idiot stance of "I'm a moderate" is bull****. It sounds all "chic" and "cool" and "open minded" and "fair", but it's a cop-out. You're catering to some "pie in the sky" agenda that it's somehow "high minded" and "above the fray" to be "independent".

But in reality, you're a coward. You're afraid to put a stake in the ground, stand your ground, and DECIDE where you're at. I have NO USE for this spineless fringe, like you, who "love everyone" and "it depends on the issue" bull ****.

Either get on board a movement, push an agenda, care about SOMETHING, or get out of the way. Just stay home on election day, because if you don't have enough info to decide by now, you're brain dead.

There's no "gray area" in American politics at this point. It's very clear. It's US AGAINST THEM from top to bottom. Anyone still talking about "independant" and "moderation" is a fool.

Yeah, take a stand and pick a side so you can cosign on a bunch of ideas that you would otherwise not care about or feel differently about. Join a party and toe the company line.

Having your own beliefs is overrated these days. Its excess work to think for yourself so join a party and join in the chant.

You are unbelievable. People who don't just fall in the left or right line are spineless?

Whats the Chris Rock line about voting?

"Anyone who makes up their mind before hearing the issues is a ****ing fool".

I'm sure other have said that but I heard Chris say it in a standup not too long ago.

If you are neither, how does "taking a stand" make it so you are no long a part of the problem?

How does adopting someone else's beliefs eliminate the problem?

[ethiostar]

My "like" is strictly platonic in nature...or my wife would become quite vexed and I wouldn't need to visit East Austin in order to get gunned down.:D

:laugh1:

[trickblue]

"Anyone who makes up their mind before hearing the issues is a ****ing fool".

He espouses it, yet he doesn't do it himself...

[ShiningStar]

He espouses it, yet he doesn't do it himself...


its easier standing on the sidelines. do it a lot myself.

[iceberg]

Aw, shucks. Thanks, WG. I kinda like you too.:o::p:

that's not fair!!! WG like you more than me!!!

WAH!

mornin everyone. don't fall for any silly jokes today and watch out for that bad virus going around.

[ShiningStar]

that's not fair!!! WG like you more than me!!!

WAH!

mornin everyone. don't fall for any silly jokes today and watch out for that bad virus going around.


I was just to ask why about the joke comment. God i am bad with dates lately.

Btw Ice, WG likes everyone more than you, you didnt get the memo.

[iceberg]

I was just to ask why about the joke comment. God i am bad with dates lately.

Btw Ice, WG likes everyone more than you, you didnt get the memo.

well actually, i wrote the memo. i just refused to give up hope and i never gave it to me.

[ShiningStar]

well actually, i wrote the memo. i just refused to give up hope and i never gave it to me.


its okay man we're there for you. we know you were hoping but it wasnt meant to be. Theres always BP. :p::p::p::p:

[iceberg]

its okay man we're there for you. we know you were hoping but it wasnt meant to be. Theres always BP. :p::p::p::p:

whoah.

that's just mean dude.

[ShiningStar]

whoah.

that's just mean dude.



we're buds we're buds. :eek:

[iceberg]

we're buds we're buds. :eek:


heh, this buds for you...

:cool:

[vta]

The fact that this keeps happening is sad...

I've instructed my accountant to make all kinds of false claims and deductions on my return this year. When I get caught cheating on my taxes, I'm going to claim I was applying for a job within Obama's administration.

[trickblue]

I've instructed my accountant to make all kinds of false claims and deductions on my return this year. When I get caught cheating on my taxes, I'm going to claim I was applying for a job within Obama's administration.

Careful... you may get one... ;)

[vta]

Careful... you may get one... ;)

Co-ol. Then I can hate N Dakota too!
On my first trip abroad, I'll bring a box of Dunkin' Donuts to The German Prime Minister and a copy of Booty Call, in NTSC Format!

[trickblue]

Co-ol. Then I can hate N Dakota too!
On my first trip abroad, I'll bring a box of Dunkin' Donuts to The German Prime Minister and a copy of Booty Call, in NTSC Format!

:laugh2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

When's the telemarathon?
Where is Bono and Green Day?
Where are the Hollywood stars?

There all in Europe at the G20.

[lewpac]

Back to the "pick a side" idea...............

Remember how, during every election, they have these televised "forums" polling the "undecided" folks? And it's like a month, two weeks, 3 days before the election? Two candidates have been shoved down our throats 24/7 for two years. Every word, policy, opinion and idea regarding HIS presidency has been repeated over and over and over and over again.................

And their STILL UNDECIDED?!?!? I mean, what more are you waiting for a week before the election? What haven't you heard? What "issue" is so confusing for you that you're "undecided"?

I know I went off on a crazy rant last night about "taking a stand", but that just infuriates me.

What issue don't you already have an opinion about? That you're waiting to "hear something new" about? Abortion? The War? Illegal aliens? Welfare reform? Taxes?

I mean, sorry for sounding nuts earlier, but someone explain to me this phenomenon! Exactly how is it that, even a half year out of a presidential election, that anyone could really be like "ah, I'm still checking these guys out". Let alone a week or three days before the election. My question is, what have you been watching or listening too the last 18 months that STILL has you "undecided" at that point?

That's why I said stuff about "pick a side" and "get on board"...............

[BrAinPaiNt]

Back to the "pick a side" idea...............

Remember how, during every election, they have these televised "forums" polling the "undecided" folks? And it's like a month, two weeks, 3 days before the election? Two candidates have been shoved down our throats 24/7 for two years. Every word, policy, opinion and idea regarding HIS presidency has been repeated over and over and over and over again.................

And their STILL UNDECIDED?!?!? I mean, what more are you waiting for a week before the election? What haven't you heard? What "issue" is so confusing for you that you're "undecided"?

I know I went off on a crazy rant last night about "taking a stand", but that just infuriates me.

What issue don't you already have an opinion about? That you're waiting to "hear something new" about? Abortion? The War? Illegal aliens? Welfare reform? Taxes?

I mean, sorry for sounding nuts earlier, but someone explain to me this phenomenon! Exactly how is it that, even a half year out of a presidential election, that anyone could really be like "ah, I'm still checking these guys out". Let alone a week or three days before the election. My question is, what have you been watching or listening too the last 18 months that STILL has you "undecided" at that point?

That's why I said stuff about "pick a side" and "get on board"...............

Slow down on the energy drinks and sugar before you morph into cornholio.:p:

As far as picking a side. If you don't care for the Republican or Democratic candidate...one can always pick another candidate that is closer to what you feel fits your beliefs. I don't know. I just don't get the whole Straight party people that lose their darn minds and put party before everything else.

But that is just me.

[iceberg]

Slow down on the energy drinks and sugar before you morph into cornholio.:p:

As far as picking a side. If you don't care for the Republican or Democratic candidate...one can always pick another candidate that is closer to what you feel fits your beliefs. I don't know. I just don't get the whole Straight party people that lose their darn minds and put party before everything else.

But that is just me.

dude - did you just dis energy drinks????? DID YOU ????? MY GOD MAN!!!!!

ok, almost done with mine.

[tyke1doe]

Sad...and I hate to feel like an Obama defender, when a simple google search
would've done the trick.

Obama monitors flooding, pledges federal help
By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -- Seeking to avoid a Hurricane Katrina-like leadership failure, President Barack Obama assured the nation Saturday he was keeping close watch on the Midwest floods and putting the government's full weight behind efforts to prevent disaster.

"Even as we face an economic crisis which demands our constant focus, forces of nature can also intervene in ways that create other crises to which we must respond - and respond urgently," the president said in his weekly radio and Internet address.

"I will continue to monitor the situation carefully," he pledged. "We will do what must be done to help."

Obama also implored residents of North Dakota, South Dakota and Minnesota to be vigilant in reading flood-condition reports and to follow instructions from federal, state and local officials should evacuation be necessary. He repeatedly praised volunteers stockpiling sandbags and building levees, saying "their service isn't just inspirational - it's integral to our response."

In North Dakota, Fargo's fears of a catastrophic flood eased Saturday with word that the Red River apparently crested at lower-than-expected levels, and weary residents turned their attention to ensuring their hastily built levees hold up against an onslaught of ice-laden water expected to stay high for at least a week.

Obama was spending the weekend at Camp David before leaving Tuesday for a nearly weeklong European trip to address the global economic crisis with leaders of other world powers. But aides stressed that he was being kept abreast of the Midwest flooding despite being away from the White House.

In office just two months, Obama and his team no doubt are mindful of the Bush administration's bungled response in August 2005 to Hurricane Katrina, which devastated the Gulf Coast and highlighted the country's racial and economic divisions. George W. Bush's popularity took a beating in Katrina's aftermath, and the hurricane has been held up ever since as a symbol of the federal government's incompetence.

Obama used his weekly address to go to great lengths to describe all that the federal government has been doing as bulging rivers and streams threatened Midwest communities over the past few days. Aides said federal, state and local officials have been coordinating for more than a week.

Over the past few days, Obama signed emergency and disaster declarations for North Dakota and Minnesota, triggering federal support to help state and local officials who already had efforts under way. On Saturday, he indicated that help for South Dakota could come soon, saying his aides were "keeping close watch on the situation" there.

The Homeland Security Department and the Federal Emergency Management Agency were coordinating the federal response.

Obama said the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the Coast Guard, the Defense Department, the National Guard and the Health and Human Services Department, as well as the American Red Cross, were involved.

"At moments like these, we are reminded of the power of nature to disrupt lives and endanger communities," Obama said. "But we are also reminded of the power of individuals to make a difference."

On that note, he reaffirmed his support for legislation Congress is expected to send to him in the week ahead that would give tens of thousands of people more opportunities to mentor children, clean parks and help the poor, a sweeping call to national service in a time of need.


http://www.miamiherald.com/obama/story/972148.html


Didn't you get the memo? Balance isn't necessary when it's an Obama-bashfest. :laugh1:

[Bob Sacamano]

Flood whitey!!

[ethiostar]

Back to the "pick a side" idea...............

Remember how, during every election, they have these televised "forums" polling the "undecided" folks? And it's like a month, two weeks, 3 days before the election? Two candidates have been shoved down our throats 24/7 for two years. Every word, policy, opinion and idea regarding HIS presidency has been repeated over and over and over and over again.................

And their STILL UNDECIDED?!?!? I mean, what more are you waiting for a week before the election? What haven't you heard? What "issue" is so confusing for you that you're "undecided"?

I know I went off on a crazy rant last night about "taking a stand", but that just infuriates me.

What issue don't you already have an opinion about? That you're waiting to "hear something new" about? Abortion? The War? Illegal aliens? Welfare reform? Taxes?

I mean, sorry for sounding nuts earlier, but someone explain to me this phenomenon! Exactly how is it that, even a half year out of a presidential election, that anyone could really be like "ah, I'm still checking these guys out". Let alone a week or three days before the election. My question is, what have you been watching or listening too the last 18 months that STILL has you "undecided" at that point?

That's why I said stuff about "pick a side" and "get on board"...............

I don't know how to make this any clearer.

Who said i don't have an opinion about issues.

I have a very clear and strong opinion about a number of important issues that matter to me, including those you mentioned and i highlighted. But position in all of those issues doesn't fall neatly to one party or another. I agree with republicans/conservatives on some issues and support their stance and on other issues i identify with democrats/liberals and their ideas.

You seem to think that if i don't support either party on EVERYTHING, i don't have an opinion.

What is it about this position that is confusing to you?

[lewpac]

I don't know how to make this any clearer.

Who said i don't have an opinion about issues.

I have a very clear and strong opinion about a number of important issues that matter to me, including those you mentioned and i highlighted. But position in all of those issues doesn't fall neatly to one party or another. I agree with republicans/conservatives on some issues and support their stance and on other issues i identify with democrats/liberals and their ideas.

You seem to think that if i don't support either party on EVERYTHING, i don't have an opinion.

What is it about this position that is confusing to you?

I'll take one more stab at this, but you'll probably not agree anyway because you have a PRE-DETERMINED position.

Notice I capitalized "pre-determined", because that's how this post is going to end. That's my point. That's the issue.................

I'm not a psychologist. But I've read a good deal about how the mind works, why people do and think as they do, etc.................
And most experts agree that if a person hasn't "set a course", "decided upon a path" or "established a program" for their life by, say about 30 or so.............then that person is bound to end up floundering through life, never sure of any one thing, and will accomplish little.

There is a false and empty and lying "virtue" out there called "I have an open mind". There's some kind of honor in a saying that began around the sixties. Some kind of "above the fray" mentality that we're all supposed to applaud and think is so wonderful.

In reality, the only "virtue" or fruit of that mindset results in simply wandering around through life and never getting much done.

Take Tiger Woods as an example. He's not "searching". He doesn't have an "open mind". He's not "on a journey of enlightenment" that's ever changing and open for review and sweeping changes on the fly (regarding his chosen field). He's successful because he's got his mind made up. Has had a program in place since he was a child. Of course, he continues to improve and make changes as needed, but only upon THE SUCCESSFUL FOUNDATION that is ESTABLISHED. It's unchangable.

It's true in every major category in life. Spiritually. Financially. Physical health. Raising children. Marraige. Business model. Etc.................You can fool around in your teens or twenties, researching different directions, programs or "paths". But, by God, at some point you gotta' make up your mind and get moving and don't get side-tracked from your program. If it's the wrong program, you'll see it in the failed results, and THEN perhaps change course. But at some point, you've got to decide what your gonna' do with your money, how you're gonna' raise your kids, what God you're gonna' believe or not believe in, how your gonna' manage your affairs, etc.....

Every successful or famous person that you know of has set a course, planned the details, put it into motion, and is working THAT program. PERIOD.

Donald Trump. Micheal Jordan. Oprah Winfrey.............whoever. You name anyone who's ultra-successful, and you'll find that they're not "waiting to hear more" to make decisions. If you went up to Micheal Jordan, and told him to "have an open mind", "don't be so rigid", or "you need to hear all sides" with regard to his chosen field, you wouldn't even get a response from him. He'd just laugh and walk away.

So, politically, we live in a land where, supposedly, WE GET TO DECIDE the people who are power who make decisions that are going to affect our lives via policies, laws, etc.....................

And if I don't know by NOW which "bent" or "persuasion" or "leaning" that I fall toward, then I'm remiss and negligent and derelict in my responsibilities to myself, my family, my kids, my community. It's technically not a Republican/Conservative or a Democrat/Liberal thing at all. It's about what kind of country I want to live in, and what kind of country that my kids will enter in a couple years.

I, myself and personally, if you MUST label it.......................I'm more "conservative" than not. I don't call it "conservative" myself. I call it more like "traditional" or "Biblical", as I try my best to be a good Christian Brother. Never the less, I'm not one for the liberal stuff at all. Free country. Think what you wanna'. But it's still a free country for US TOO, even IF the other side doesn't think so.

So, before any election, I'm already PRE-DETERMINED as to which side I'm more-than-likely going to go with. Unfortunately, 'round these parts, there's usually only TWO folks to pick from. Usually, if not always, it's between what they insist upon calling themselves": A Republican or a Democrat. And, generally speaking, Republicans are PRE-DETERMINED to mostly think along certain lines, and Democrats are PRE-DETERMINED to mostly think along other lines.

In most cases, the Republican has to TALK ME OUT OF voting for him/her, because I (free country again) personally don't agree with what the modern Democrat/Liberal cache' is shoving down our throats.

And, like you opine, if I have to "eat" a little crow of certain things I don't like about that particular Republican, then that's what I gotta' do. Because (free country again), it's a minor concession I'll make as opposed to the alternative, i.e. the Liberal Democrat.

Bottom line is, that I WILL VOTE and I WILL PARTICIPATE in this process. I WILL PAY ATTENTION to what they're saying and how their positioning themselves policy-wise. But, I have every right to have a PRE-DETERMINED and a BIASED approach before the even say a word.

I've decided. My mind is made up. I have MY political views, and they're probably never going to change. Not so much as to which MAN (Obama or McCain, Bush or Kerry, etc.....) is trying to get my vote. But more about WHICH AGENDA that I subscribe to and WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY that I want to live in.

And in this atmosphere and generation, the Republicans are a lot closer to what I wish for our country than the Dems.

Sorry for the rant, but this is the long version of what I meant earlier.......

[ethiostar]

:confused:

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH?

[BrAinPaiNt]

:confused:

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH?




:lmao2: :lmao:

-twUCEfzrDk

[CanadianCowboysFan]

If they do host a telethon, I dare you to go on it and announce to the entire country that "President Obama hates white people" a la P. Diddy.

It would be an instant classic!
:lmao2:

I thought it was Kanye West who said Bush hates blacks.

[Beast_from_East]

You guys do know there is a difference between a river overflowing its banks and a levee system failing???

The scale of the disaster is not even remotely similar. Even the freaking NFL did a telethon to help the residence of New Orleans, so I guess the NFL is just a bunch of "Bush haters"???

Both Republicans and Democrats have universally agreed that the FEMA response to Katrina was terrible.


The problem was that the local government and community was overwhelmed by the enormous scale of the disaster and thus did not have the resources to properly respond. North Dakota does have the local government and community to handle the river overflowing.


The hate some of you guys on here have for Obama is just amazing.

[MetalHead]

You guys do know there is a difference between a river overflowing its banks and a levee system failing???

The scale of the disaster is not even remotely similar. Even the freaking NFL did a telethon to help the residence of New Orleans, so I guess the NFL is just a bunch of "Bush haters"???

Both Republicans and Democrats have universally agreed that the FEMA response to Katrina was terrible.


The problem was that the local government and community was overwhelmed by the enormous scale of the disaster and thus did not have the resources to properly respond. North Dakota does have the local government and community to handle the river overflowing.


The hate some of you guys on here have for Obama is just amazing.
What are you trying to say here?
Be careful with your response...

[Beast_from_East]

What are you trying to say here?
Be careful with your response...

Artie my friend, how you been?


The point I was making was that New Orleans and Louisiana did not have the resources (in terms of equiptement, man power, organization, ect....) to handle the scale of the disaster of the levees failing which caused the majority of the city to flood.

For example, there were parking lots with buses just sitting there under water. They could have been used to evacuate people, but New Orleans said they didnt have enough manpower to drive the buses.

For example, the SuperDome was used as a shelter but it took days and days and days before any power or running water was restored to the Dome. Many people ended up dying of dehydration or from infection due to drinking flood water that was polluted.


These are the situations that I am talking about where FEMA should have stepped in sooner rather than later once it was determined the local governement could not handle the situation.

[lewpac]

Artie my friend, how you been?


The point I was making was that New Orleans and Louisiana did not have the resources (in terms of equiptement, man power, organization, ect....) to handle the scale of the disaster of the levees failing which caused the majority of the city to flood.

For example, there were parking lots with buses just sitting there under water. They could have been used to evacuate people, but New Orleans said they didnt have enough manpower to drive the buses.

For example, the SuperDome was used as a shelter but it took days and days and days before any power or running water was restored to the Dome. Many people ended up dying of dehydration or from infection due to drinking flood water that was polluted.


These are the situations that I am talking about where FEMA should have stepped in sooner rather than later once it was determined the local governement could not handle the situation.

No.

The "problem" in New Orleans had a lot to do with the dominant political culture that's been encrusted there for decades. Someone said something earlier to the effect that, the people and community in New Orleans was "overwhelmed", while the folks in Fargo are prepared and able to deal with their disaster.

That's the truth, but it has nothing to do with scale of each disaster. It has everything to do with the entitlement, welfare, and "the government will take care of us" mentality that has become synonymous with minority and "victim" areas like New Orleans.

The place has been dominated by ultra-liberal Democrats for over a generation. The place is the poster child for "the entitlement" state. Cradle to grave security from the government. So naturally, when imminent disaster is approaching, the majority just sits back and waits to be "saved" by another, particularly the government.

Anybody with an ounce of brains would've gotten out of that place, with the abundant warning they had. But, when your poor, dependent, and have no resources.....................then you have no options at your disposal. THAT, my friends, is a HUGE part of all the human tragedy that went along with Katrina.

I've been to New Orleans at least a half dozen times. And, I actually LIVED in Fargo for over a year. There's a major difference between these two locals. New Orleans, second only to perhaps Vegas, is "sin city" to the max. Extremely liberal "anything goes, if it feels good do it" mentality. The political community is famous, second only to Chicago perhaps, as the most corrupt, cronyism bunch in the country. Movies are made about it. Songs are written about it. "The Big Easy", it's called THAT for a reason. It's a place of (not everyone of course, but the majority of the population) immorality, no discipline, character issues, sexual promiscuity, drug and alcohol addiction, and just plain Godlessness. And they wonder, not only why bad things happen to them, but why the population was ill prepared to handle it.

North Dakota on the other hand, has a population (not everyone of course, but the vast majority) known for hard work, self reliance, duty, character, and folks who take care of themselves without government intervention. When a crises hits, THAT CHARACTER comes out. The first reaction isn't "oh, who will come save us". It's more like "Hey, we better get off our *** and do something quick". Even if that means getting the hell out.

The folks in New Orleans either didn't have the means to evacuate, which is ridiculous.................or were too stupid or brainwashed by the political system to take action to protect THEMSELVES. It was a combination of both. Living a life, agitated by the government, where you don't procure the simplest needs in life to afford personal safety; and a brainwashed populace, so trained to be entitled, that they did nothing but wait on "big brother" to bail them out.....................AGAIN.

New Orleans/Katrina was just as much a victim, if not totally a victim, of the State and Local governments, and the character of the people, more than that of the the Feds.

[MetalHead]

Artie my friend, how you been?


The point I was making was that New Orleans and Louisiana did not have the resources (in terms of equiptement, man power, organization, ect....) to handle the scale of the disaster of the levees failing which caused the majority of the city to flood.

For example, there were parking lots with buses just sitting there under water. They could have been used to evacuate people, but New Orleans said they didnt have enough manpower to drive the buses.

For example, the SuperDome was used as a shelter but it took days and days and days before any power or running water was restored to the Dome. Many people ended up dying of dehydration or from infection due to drinking flood water that was polluted.


These are the situations that I am talking about where FEMA should have stepped in sooner rather than later once it was determined the local governement could not handle the situation.

Beast,I have been doing fine,how about you?
I hope you are good too.
Beast,you do know that Mayor Nagin dropped the ball big time in N.O.
You do know that Gov. Blanco also dropped the ball...right?
It is the duty of the local authorities to properly inform the citizens of impending dangers.
This Katrina business is ALL on Nagin and Blanco.
They failed N.O....not Bush.
How come here in San Antonio we were well aware of Katrina?
They had plenty of time to warn everybody.
They had plenty of time to plan and evacuate.
Forget the levees,N.O. is below sea level...blame that on Bush too?
Don't blame FEMA either...if the local authorities fail,so will FEMA.
Blame the right people...Mayor Nagin's incompetence,Gov. Blanco's incompetence.

[MetalHead]

:bow:No.

The "problem" in New Orleans had a lot to do with the dominant political culture that's been encrusted there for decades. Someone said something earlier to the effect that, the people and community in New Orleans was "overwhelmed", while the folks in Fargo are prepared and able to deal with their disaster.

That's the truth, but it has nothing to do with scale of each disaster. It has everything to do with the entitlement, welfare, and "the government will take care of us" mentality that has become synonymous with minority and "victim" areas like New Orleans.

The place has been dominated by ultra-liberal Democrats for over a generation. The place is the poster child for "the entitlement" state. Cradle to grave security from the government. So naturally, when imminent disaster is approaching, the majority just sits back and waits to be "saved" by another, particularly the government.

Anybody with an ounce of brains would've gotten out of that place, with the abundant warning they had. But, when your poor, dependent, and have no resources.....................then you have no options at your disposal. THAT, my friends, is a HUGE part of all the human tragedy that went along with Katrina.

I've been to New Orleans at least a half dozen times. And, I actually LIVED in Fargo for over a year. There's a major difference between these two locals. New Orleans, second only to perhaps Vegas, is "sin city" to the max. Extremely liberal "anything goes, if it feels good do it" mentality. The political community is famous, second only to Chicago perhaps, as the most corrupt, cronyism bunch in the country. Movies are made about it. Songs are written about it. "The Big Easy", it's called THAT for a reason. It's a place of (not everyone of course, but the majority of the population) immorality, no discipline, character issues, sexual promiscuity, drug and alcohol addiction, and just plain Godlessness. And they wonder, not only why bad things happen to them, but why the population was ill prepared to handle it.

North Dakota on the other hand, has a population (not everyone of course, but the vast majority) known for hard work, self reliance, duty, character, and folks who take care of themselves without government intervention. When a crises hits, THAT CHARACTER comes out. The first reaction isn't "oh, who will come save us". It's more like "Hey, we better get off our *** and do something quick". Even if that means getting the hell out.

The folks in New Orleans either didn't have the means to evacuate, which is ridiculous.................or were too stupid or brainwashed by the political system to take action to protect THEMSELVES. It was a combination of both. Living a life, agitated by the government, where you don't procure the simplest needs in life to afford personal safety; and a brainwashed populace, so trained to be entitled, that they did nothing but wait on "big brother" to bail them out.....................AGAIN.

New Orleans/Katrina was just as much a victim, if not totally a victim, of the State and Local governments, and the character of the people, more than that of the the Feds.

[ShiningStar]

Both correct men, artie and lewpac.


New Orleans dropped the ball on this and Bush took the heat. Much like no heat should go on Obama for whatever happens to ND.

[lewpac]

Both correct men, artie and lewpac.


New Orleans dropped the ball on this and Bush took the heat. Much like no heat should go on Obama for whatever happens to ND.

Right. Correct.

You ONE SENTENCE is a wonderful synopsis, the sum and total of this entire thread.

I'm the OP for this thread. The entire idea was sarcasm, a play upon the dialogue and conversations that ran amok during the Bush administrations.

And it's intent to was to portray the absolute idiocy, lunacy, rage & pure hatred, and mindlessness of the entire American Left in their vitriol towards the President. No quarter was drawn, to prisoners taken, and they brokered no deals. They had no interest whatsoever in anything besides destroying the man, his associates, and any and all decisions he made policy-wise, both domestic and foreign.

It's also not lost on me and many others is that now, we're supposed to "take the higher road" and not respond in kind. I know, I know..............why stoop to THAT level and their standard? "Be the bigger man". "Don't sink to their level", etc...........................

And there is certainly value in that approach. It's assured that we won't hear anything close to the gutter-sniping from the left toward Bush, from those who opposed an Obama Presidency. That's usually the case anyway.

The very folks, the folks who claim to have the corner on "compassion" and "inclusiveness" and "understanding" and "cumbaya, why can't we all just get along" are the most guilty, BY FAR, of utter hate and venom toward any who disagree with them. Their favorite labels (bigot, racist, hater, homophope, etc..............) are the very epitome of their existence.

I do, however, give them credit for the machine they've built. The machine that runs on, that anyone who doesn't walk in lemming/goose step with their agenda gets a label, and they make it stick with an abiding media.

Anyway, I made my point. Take any speech by the Rev. Wright, simply subsitute the word "black" for every time he says the word "white", and BINGO.............you're a racist. Take any story about Katrina, subsitute the word "Katrina" with "Fargo flood", and subsitute the name "Bush" with the name "Obama", and you've got fight on your hands with MoveOn.org and the ACLU! I blamed Obama for the Fargo flooding to once again point out the now "motis operende'" double standard that is now just a given in the American conversation.

[Beast_from_East]

Beast,I have been doing fine,how about you?
I hope you are good too.
Beast,you do know that Mayor Nagin dropped the ball big time in N.O.
You do know that Gov. Blanco also dropped the ball...right?
It is the duty of the local authorities to properly inform the citizens of impending dangers.
This Katrina business is ALL on Nagin and Blanco.
They failed N.O....not Bush.
How come here in San Antonio we were well aware of Katrina?
They had plenty of time to warn everybody.
They had plenty of time to plan and evacuate.
Forget the levees,N.O. is below sea level...blame that on Bush too?
Don't blame FEMA either...if the local authorities fail,so will FEMA.
Blame the right people...Mayor Nagin's incompetence,Gov. Blanco's incompetence.

Im doing good Artie, thanks for asking.


You make some good points, I defiently agree that Nagin and Blanco were totally incompetent in the way they handled the situation.

The reason the local government was overwhelmed was due to the incompetence of Nagin and Blanco. Maybe if they asked FEMA sooner for help once they realized they couldnt handle the situation, more lives could have been saved.

And I agree that Bush was attacked unfairly and characterized that "he hated blacks" and stuff. That was totally uncalled for. No matter what anybody's opinion of Bush may be, he is not a racist.


This has been a good discussion gentlemen, I dont know why the two parites cant discuss an issue like this without it ending up in name calling and pointing fingers.