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Danny White
04-01-2009, 01:55 PM
I'm sure the only people who smoke are those who make more than $250,000. :lmao2:

PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke
Apr 1 11:55 AM US/Eastern
By CALVIN WOODWARD
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - One of President Barack Obama's campaign pledges on taxes went up in puffs of smoke Wednesday.

The largest increase in tobacco taxes took effect despite Obama's promise not to raise taxes of any kind on families earning under $250,000 or individuals under $200,000.

This is one tax that disproportionately affects the poor, who are more likely to smoke than the rich.

To be sure, Obama's tax promises in last year's campaign were most often made in the context of income taxes. Not always.

"I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime."

Now in office, Obama, who stopped smoking but has admitted he slips now and then, signed a law raising the tobacco tax nearly 62 cents on a pack of cigarettes, to $1.01. Other tobacco products saw similarly steep increases.

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The extra money will be used to finance a major expansion of health insurance for children. That represents a step toward achieving another promise, to make sure all kids are covered.

Obama said in the campaign that Americans could have both—a broad boost in affordable health insurance for the nation without raising taxes on anyone but the rich.

His detailed campaign plan stated that his proposed improvement in health insurance and health technology "is more than covered" by raising taxes on the wealthy alone. It was not based on raising the tobacco tax.

The White House contends Obama's campaign pledge left room for measures such as the one financing children's health insurance.

"The president's position throughout the campaign was that he would not raise income or payroll taxes on families making less than $250,000, and that's a promise he has kept," said White House spokesman Reid H. Cherlin. "In this case, he supported a public health measure that will extend health coverage to 4 million children who are currently uninsured."

In some instances during the campaign, Obama was plainly talking about income, payroll and investment taxes, even if he did not say so.

Other times, his point appeared to be that heavier taxation of any sort on average Americans is the wrong prescription in tough times.

"Listen now," he said in his widely watched nomination acceptance speech, "I will cut taxes—cut taxes—for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class."

An unequivocal "any tax" pledge also was heard in the vice presidential debate, another prominent forum.

"No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised," Joe Biden said, "whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax."

The Democratic campaign used such statements to counter Republican assertions that Obama would raise taxes in a multitude of direct and indirect ways, recalled Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

"I think a reasonable person would have concluded that Senator Obama had made a 'no new taxes' pledge to every couple or family making less than $250,000," she said.

Jamieson noted GOP ads that claimed Obama would raise taxes on electricity and home heating oil. "They rebutted both with the $250,000 claim," she said of the Obama campaign, "so they did extend the rebuttal beyond income and payroll."

Government and private research has found that smoking rates are higher among people of low income.

A Gallup survey of 75,000 people last year fleshed out that conclusion. It found that 34 percent of respondents earning $6,000 to $12,000 were smokers, and the smoking rate consistently declined among people of higher income. Only 13 percent of people earning $90,000 or more were smokers.

Federal or state governments often turn for extra tax dollars to the one in five Americans who smoke, and many states already hit tobacco users this year. So did the tobacco companies, which raised the price on many brands by more than 70 cents a pack.

The latest increase in the federal tax is by far the largest since its introduction in 1951, when it was 8 cents a pack. It's gone up six times since, each time by no more than a dime, until now.

Apart from the tax haul, public health advocates argue that squeezing smokers will help some to quit and persuade young people not to start.

But it was a debate the country didn't have in a presidential campaign that swore off higher taxation.

JBond
04-01-2009, 02:24 PM
I just laugh at the fools who actually believe Obama is not going to raise taxes every which way he can. He would never had won if he was forced to reveal his true plans to the American people during the election.

ABQCOWBOY
04-01-2009, 02:33 PM
Would love to see Americans just stop smoking, if for no other reason then to watch this whole tax scam go up in smoke, so to speak.

JBond
04-01-2009, 02:36 PM
Would love to see Americans just stop smoking, if for no other reason then to watch this whole tax scam go up in smoke, so to speak.

Then beer would go up by a dollar a can. Obama will squeeze the money out of us somehow. Leave well enough alone.;)

TheCount
04-01-2009, 02:36 PM
Would love to see Americans just stop smoking, if for no other reason then to watch this whole tax scam go up in smoke, so to speak.

There are plenty of other things to tax.

Our governor here in New York had proposed taxing sugary sodas and juices, among a billion other everyday things to help fix the budget. It became known as the "Fat Tax".

JBond
04-01-2009, 02:45 PM
There are plenty of other things to tax.

Our governor here in New York had proposed taxing sugary sodas and juices, among a billion other everyday things to help fix the budget. It became known as the "Fat Tax".

I keep hearing about local governments adding fat taxes. I happen to be 37 and in very good physical condition. Why in the world should I have to pay higher taxes on a Pepsi because some fat people have no restraint? Lets just start a personal tax where you have to pay by the pound. Maybe we could install scales at the super markets. Fat people can only buy a certain amount while healthy people can buy whatever they want. The change we can believe in.

BrAinPaiNt
04-01-2009, 02:57 PM
I need a family friendly not this *blank* again image. :laugh1:

ABQCOWBOY
04-01-2009, 02:59 PM
Then beer would go up by a dollar a can. Obama will squeeze the money out of us somehow. Leave well enough alone.;)

You don't think that's already in the works?

trickblue
04-01-2009, 03:04 PM
I need a family friendly not this *blank* again image. :laugh1:

Here ya go...

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BrAinPaiNt
04-01-2009, 03:44 PM
Here ya go...

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Downloaded and uploaded.

Thank you kind Sir.

bbgun
04-01-2009, 04:30 PM
Here ya go...

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Not sure how that that graphic would apply to this issue or thread, but okay.

Hoofbite
04-01-2009, 05:34 PM
Not sure how that that graphic would apply to this issue or thread, but okay.

See at the bottom there is the word "again", as in previously covered.

I'd also like to point out the word "crap" as it is just as suiting this time around as it would have been last time.

bbgun
04-01-2009, 05:47 PM
See at the bottom there is the word "again", as in previously covered.

I'd also like to point out the word "crap" as it is just as suiting this time around as it would have been last time.

Really? I guess I missed it.

BrAinPaiNt
04-01-2009, 05:52 PM
Really? I guess I missed it.

You're old...we will let this slide this time.:p:

Cajuncowboy
04-01-2009, 06:25 PM
I mentioned it before and got pilloried because this really isn't a tax on poor people. :rolleyes:

Somehow folks here think that poor people will walk in and say "I'm poor" and will be exempt from the tax.

Ok, whatever.

TheCount
04-01-2009, 07:49 PM
I mentioned it before and got pilloried because this really isn't a tax on poor people. :rolleyes:

Somehow folks here think that poor people will walk in and say "I'm poor" and will be exempt from the tax.

Ok, whatever.

Hopefully they'll walk in and say cigarettes are expensive, maybe I should quit and save some money (and my life) while I'm at it.

I don't think anyone, rich or poor should smoke though, so maybe I'm biased. I've seen too many people I love reap the rewards of their "little" vice.

Cajuncowboy
04-01-2009, 07:55 PM
Hopefully they'll walk in and say cigarettes are expensive, maybe I should quit and save some money (and my life) while I'm at it.

I don't think anyone, rich or poor should smoke though, so maybe I'm biased. I've seen too many people I love reap the rewards of their "little" vice.

I got a better idea. Outlaw it if you want people to stop. But wait, then we wouldn't be able to tax it. As long as it's legal people should have the right to it. And for the record, I lost my Dad to it so I know what you are saying.

But I can tell you that no matter the cost, people will continue to smoke it. They have all been well warned of it's dangers. And when they become of age, as long as it is stil legal, they have a right to it.

But if you think people are going to walk in and say, "hmmmm that's to expensive" and quit, you are fooling yourself.

TheCount
04-01-2009, 08:09 PM
I got a better idea. Outlaw it if you want people to stop. But wait, then we wouldn't be able to tax it. As long as it's legal people should have the right to it. And for the record, I lost my Dad to it so I know what you are saying.

But I can tell you that no matter the cost, people will continue to smoke it. They have all been well warned of it's dangers. And when they become of age, as long as it is stil legal, they have a right to it.

But if you think people are going to walk in and say, "hmmmm that's to expensive" and quit, you are fooling yourself.

I don't make the laws, I'm telling you what I think as far as cigarette smoking as an activity. People may still smoke it but a lot have quit because of the cost.

Yeagermeister
04-01-2009, 08:20 PM
Makes me glad I don't smoke, drink beer, or drink sugary drinks :D

Now if they tax diet coke THEN I'll be pissed :laugh1:

Cajuncowboy
04-01-2009, 08:29 PM
Makes me glad I don't smoke, drink beer, or drink sugary drinks :D

Now if they tax diet coke THEN I'll be pissed :laugh1:

Dude! We're in Tennessee. Its already taxed. Along with everything else. :(

Cajuncowboy
04-01-2009, 08:31 PM
I don't make the laws, I'm telling you what I think as far as cigarette smoking as an activity. People may still smoke it but a lot have quit because of the cost.

I agree with you regarding the activity, I wished more people would quit as well. But punitive taxation as a means to curb legal activity is wrong.

adamc91115
04-01-2009, 08:51 PM
Anybody hear about these new "E-Cigarettes"? I haven't tried them but I heard its pretty much the same as a regular cigarette.

Now they're trying to ban them in New Jersey because they don't know their "health risks". I'll tell you the real reason...
Taxes. If people start smoking these instead of real cigarettes, NJ will be broke.

Supposedly they're cheaper than regular cigarettes but I don't know for sure... I might have to try it (or better yet, quit smoking).

ninja
04-01-2009, 09:00 PM
Didn't you know that Obama had his fingers crossed behind his back? Therefore, it doesn't count.

And don't forget it was Obama who gave you that extra $14 each paycheck. Ingrates. Enjoy your $14 and shut up.:lmao2:

MetalHead
04-01-2009, 10:24 PM
There are plenty of other things to tax.

Our governor here in New York had proposed taxing sugary sodas and juices, among a billion other everyday things to help fix the budget. It became known as the "Fat Tax".

Nice to see you are layin' down and taking it....

ShiningStar
04-01-2009, 10:27 PM
Nice to see you are layin' down and taking it....


What else can he do. He already thinks no one should have freedom unless its okay'd by the O and anything O does, well you didnt need to be doing it anyway.

MetalHead
04-01-2009, 10:29 PM
Makes me glad I don't smoke, drink beer, or drink sugary drinks :D

Now if they tax diet coke THEN I'll be pissed :laugh1:
When they came for the Jews,I said nothing,because I'm not a Jew.
When they came for the blacks,I said nothing.Because I'm not black.

See where this is leading to?


Those who DO NOT KNOW THEIR HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.


WAKE UP!!!

ethiostar
04-01-2009, 10:38 PM
What else can he do. He already thinks no one should have freedom unless its okay'd by the O and anything O does, well you didnt need to be doing it anyway.

Why would he care about what Oprah Winfrey thinks or does?

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WoodysGirl
04-01-2009, 11:11 PM
Didn't you know that Obama had his fingers crossed behind his back? Therefore, it doesn't count.

And don't forget it was Obama who gave you that extra $14 each paycheck. Ingrates. Enjoy your $14 and shut up.:lmao2:
$23 for me, get it right.

ninja
04-02-2009, 11:10 AM
$23 for me, get it right.

How are you getting so much? :) I get $400/year and my wife gets $400/year. $800/26 paychecks = $30.76/paycheck for my wife and me. Assuming my wife and I split it 50/50...never mind. My wife gets $30.76/paycheck minus taxes.

BrAinPaiNt
04-02-2009, 11:20 AM
How are you getting so much? :) I get $400/year and my wife gets $400/year. $800/26 paychecks = $30.76/paycheck for my wife and me. Assuming my wife and I split it 50/50...never mind. My wife gets $30.76/paycheck minus taxes.

WG is sexy and you are not? :p: ;)

JBond
04-02-2009, 12:30 PM
$23 for me, get it right.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Obama just changed the withholding rate not the tax rate you pay. He will collect that money back from you in April.

A useless move by team Obama but the at least he can claim he cut tax withholding rates.

It gives the MSM something to report, I guess.