Obama Likely Won’t Pursue Assault Weapons Ban

[BrAinPaiNt]

Linky Linky Super Slinky (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4951112.shtml)


President Obama said in Mexico Thursday that while he continues to back bringing back the expired assault weapons ban, it would be politically difficult to do so.

He called instead for greater enforcement of existing laws despite the fact that, according to Mexican President Filipe Calderon, such weapons have strengthened organized crime groups in Mexico who are fueling border violence and the drug trade.

“I have not backed off at all from my belief that the assault weapons ban makes sense, and I continue to believe that we can respect and honor the second amendment right in our Constitution,” he said during a press conference with Calderon.

“Having said that,” he continued, “I think none of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban will be easy. So what we focused on is how we can improve enforcement of our existing law.”

Calderon said that Mexico has seen an increase in organized crime since the ban expired; on “Face the Nation” Sunday, Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan said that “ninety percent of all weapons we are seizing in Mexico, Bob, are coming from across the United States” – a comment echoed by both leaders today.

“He is well aware of our problems, and we have described it as it is,” Calderon said with regard to Mr. Obama at the press conference.

“We definitely respect the decision of the US Congress and the US people in this regard,” the Mexican president said. He acknowledged that the ban “is a politically delicate topic because Americans truly appreciate their Constitutional rights.”

Calderon said he is hoping for a solution which respects the rights of the Constitution as well as keeps assault weapons trade at bay.

[iceberg]

oh well - i still got mine now. : )

[BrAinPaiNt]

oh well - i still got mine now. : )

Tin Foil hat? :p: ;)

I keep mine as well...never know when I will get the urge to break it out.:laugh2:

[Bonecrusher#31]

AK-74's rule........:shoot2:

[trickblue]

AK-74's rule........:shoot2:

Yes they do... and most confuse them with AK-47's... same basic design with calibers being the major difference...

Both have deadly reliable actions with the AK-74 being more accurate...

[iceberg]

Tin Foil hat? :p: ;)

I keep mine as well...never know when I will get the urge to break it out.:laugh2:

http://coolhandlukefirearms.com/images/guns/dpmspantherap4carbine.jpg
not a whole lot of tin foil in that. : )

[ConcordCowboy]

Yes they do... and most confuse them with AK-47's... same basic design with calibers being the major difference...

Both have deadly reliable actions with the AK-74 being more accurate...

:laugh2:

[theogt]

Surprise, Obama isn't a crazy liberal.

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://coolhandlukefirearms.com/images/guns/dpmspantherap4carbine.jpg
not a whole lot of tin foil in that. : )

http://www.lawranceordnance.com/lawrance-ordnance/images/bayonets/german98.jpg

My baby...no not a gun of course. A WWII era German Bayonet that is like a small sword.

[WarC]

The Germans invented the assault rifle, yanno. The StG 44, Sturmgewehr 44. Literally translated, "storming long-gun" or "assault rifle":

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Sturmgewehr_44.jpg



The precursor to all modern assault rifles, it went into production fully three years before the famous kalashnikov '47.

Yeah I'm a deutsch-o-phile.

[iceberg]

http://www.lawranceordnance.com/lawrance-ordnance/images/bayonets/german98.jpg

My baby...no not a gun of course. A WWII era German Bayonet that is like a small sword.

that's sweet just from the history!

[BrAinPaiNt]

that's sweet just from the history!

Should say that picture is not of mine but I have one just like it.

The wife's grandfather has a WWII era Lugar. I tease him and tell him that that lugar better be under my name in his will.:laugh2:

[burmafrd]

I guess once again OGT missed the obvious:


“I have not backed off at all from my belief that the assault weapons ban makes sense"

It never has never will so Obama is still a crazy liberal

[JBond]

I guess once again OGT missed the obvious:


“I have not backed off at all from my belief that the assault weapons ban makes sense"

It never has never will so Obama is still a crazy liberal

Why are people still under the mistaken belief the majority of assault weapons in Mexico came from the USA? Didn't we debunk that a week or two ago? It was around the time Obama sent 200 people to the border to fight the drug war.

[Bonecrusher#31]

Ahhhhh

I feel right at home in this thread..

I'm definitely going shooting this weekend out in the desert.

..Snakes ,prairie dogs, coyotes and rocks beware...

[Bonecrusher#31]

Yes they do... and most confuse them with AK-47's... same basic design with calibers being the major difference...

Both have deadly reliable actions with the AK-74 being more accurate...


The main reason I chose the 74 over the 47 was because the ammo was much cheaper....

I'm accurate with all my guns errrrrrr weapons :o:

[BrAinPaiNt]

The main reason I chose the 74 over the 47 was because the ammo was much cheaper....

I'm accurate with all my guns errrrrrr weapons :o:

This is my weapon this is my gun...this is for fighting this is for fun.:laugh2:

[arglebargle]

Why are people still under the mistaken belief the majority of assault weapons in Mexico came from the USA? Didn't we debunk that a week or two ago? It was around the time Obama sent 200 people to the border to fight the drug war.

Where was this? I'm interested in checking it out.


My first automatic weapon..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAT-49

[theogt]

I guess once again OGT missed the obvious:


“I have not backed off at all from my belief that the assault weapons ban makes sense"

It never has never will so Obama is still a crazy liberalPerhaps you're missing the obvious -- he has to pay lip service to the crazy liberals in his party.

[Doomsday101]

Where was this? I'm interested in checking it out.


My first automatic weapon..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAT-49

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

[burmafrd]

So YOU say its lip service. The body of evidence of his votes and speeches and actions say otherwise.

[burmafrd]

5.56mm over sized bb gun. GIVe me the 7.62 X 39 any day.
And frankly an SKS over the overpriced AK anyway.

[Doomsday101]

If the only fight Obama had was banning assault weapons I think he would do it but given the agenda he will be presenting with healthcare and Immigration reform as well as things like cap and trade he needs as many friends in Washington that he can get. Gun control is way down the list of his priorities

[arglebargle]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

Thanks! Good info there.

[arglebargle]

If the only fight Obama had was banning assault weapons I think he would do it but given the agenda he will be presenting with healthcare and Immigration reform as well as things like cap and trade he needs as many friends in Washington that he can get. Gun control is way down the list of his priorities


My prediction, long ago, was that this was going to fall to the wayside as a sort of bargaining chip. Thankfully.

I thought the assault rifle ban was nothing more than token 'feel-good' legislation that addressed no real issues. Certainly America has a lot more problems to deal with.

[Doomsday101]

My prediction, long ago, was that this was going to fall to the wayside as a sort of bargaining chip. Thankfully.

I thought the assault rifle ban was nothing more than token 'feel-good' legislation that addressed no real issues. Certainly America has a lot more problems to deal with.

Obama has voted for this in the past but and has talked about his views on it. However that is not a battle he is willing to fight given the agenda he is planning on presenting.

[arglebargle]

Obama has voted for this in the past but and has talked about his views on it. However that is not a battle he is willing to fight given the agenda he is planning on presenting.

Agreed. It would be a foolish move on his part to try this now. And he certainly would not get my support, either. Or support from a big chunk of Southern democrats, rural supporters, or even gun totin' liberals.

[theogt]

So YOU say its lip service. The body of evidence of his votes and speeches and actions say otherwise.And yet here he is, not pursuing a ban. Actions, yup, actions speak louder than words -- I agree.

[DIAF]

And yet here he is, not pursuing a ban. Actions, yup, actions speak louder than words -- I agree.

But, deep in his little communist, terrorist heart, he WANTS to! And that's what really counts!

[burmafrd]

there is hope for you yet DIAF......


The fact that he has never voted against any gun control act ever or ever spoke against one........

[DIAF]

there is hope for you yet DIAF......


The fact that he has never voted against any gun control act ever or ever spoke against one........

That was a joke, obviously.

As for the Assault Weapons ban, I am totally ok with certain types of weapons being off-limit to the general public (before any of you tards accuse me of being pro-gun control...i personally own 2 firearms), but "assault weapons" as was defined was retarded. A good portion of the stuff that falls under it isn't even really an assualt weapon.

[Royal Laegotti]

Surprise, Obama isn't a crazy liberal.

I guarantee that if it were easier for him to ban these guns he'd do it an a heartbeat!

[theogt]

I guarantee that if it were easier for him to ban these guns he'd do it an a heartbeat!Gosh, if only Democrats controlled both houses and the White House.

[Royal Laegotti]

Gosh, if only Democrats controlled both houses and the White House.

You think that's all there is to it! LOL!!!

[theogt]

You think that's all there is to it! LOL!!!LOzLzzz!!111!11

[Royal Laegotti]

Perhaps you're missing the obvious -- he has to pay lip service to the crazy liberals in his party.


Another LOL!!!!:lmao2:

[Royal Laegotti]

And yet here he is, not pursuing a ban. Actions, yup, actions speak louder than words -- I agree.


Oh so now we all can trust the great Barrack with our weapons! Good Grief!!!:rolleyes: When and if the time is right for him to persue this he will BIG TIME, probably in the 2nd term.

[silverbear]

Linky Linky Super Slinky (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4951112.shtml)


President Obama said in Mexico Thursday that while he continues to back bringing back the expired assault weapons ban, it would be politically difficult to do so.

Which once again is EXACTLY what I told the gun nuts in here when they started their "Obama's coming for our guns" crapola-- that no matter what views he might hold on the subject, he wouldn't do jack about gun control... I pointed out that he had WAY too much on his plate to even thing about taking that issue on...

As much as I'm criticized in here, I sure do wind up being right a lot... :D

[Cajuncowboy]

Which once again is EXACTLY what I told the gun nuts in here when they started their "Obama's coming for our guns" crapola-- that no matter what views he might hold on the subject, he wouldn't do jack about gun control... I pointed out that he had WAY too much on his plate to even thing about taking that issue on...

As much as I'm criticized in here, I sure do wind up being right a lot... :D

ummm, no you don't.

The only reason he isn't going to do it now is because he can't get it politically. And this is going to be one of those drip...drip...drip things.

He has said before that he wants to bring back the ban. And if he is given carte blanche he will do so.

[silverbear]

You think that's all there is to it! LOL!!!

Yup... what, you mean you don't??

Do the word "clueless" mean anything to you, RL??

[silverbear]

Oh so now we all can trust the great Barrack with our weapons! Good Grief!!!:rolleyes: When and if the time is right for him to persue this he will BIG TIME, probably in the 2nd term.

There you go again...

You have no proof of this assertion, merely your asinine opinion...

[silverbear]

ummm, no you don't.

The only reason he isn't going to do it now is because he can't get it politically.

Which is EXACTLY what I said-- that although he thinks that assault weapons should be banned, he wouldn't touch that hot potato...

But hey, do feel free to ridicule that opinion the second he sends an assault weapons ban bill up to Congress... until then, you're just talkin' out your anal orifice, 'cause your mouth knows better...

[Royal Laegotti]

Yup... what, you mean you don't??

Do the word "clueless" mean anything to you, RL??

Obviously you are the clueless one if you think he doesn't want to reinstate the ban. Go back and read the first sentance in the article, dweeb!!! As a matter of fact go back a read the whole article, you really need to!

[Royal Laegotti]

There you go again...

You have no proof of this assertion, merely your asinine opinion...

Oh so I guess his prior history of voting on this topic is absolutely NO proof at all is it bear.:rolleyes: His intents are clear he wants to do it, the time as to when to do it isn't. Maybe you aren't bright enough to realize from my other posts in this thread I was talking about his desire or intent to reinstate the ban. But in typical Silverbear fashon always flame first, figure out reality later.

[ScipioCowboy]

From what I gather, Obama isn't pursuing the assault weapons ban solely because it isn't politically expedient to do so. Based on his voting record, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he would support the ban if conditions were different.

Personally, I would rather the President stand behind the second amendment regardless of political winds. But that's just me....

[Royal Laegotti]

From what I gather, Obama isn't pursuing the assault weapons ban solely because it isn't politically expedient to do so. Based on his voting record, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he would support the ban if conditions were different.

Personally, I would rather the President stand behind the second amendment regardless of political winds. But that's just me....

Unfortunately we have a president who has a negative view of our constitution even though he kinda states otherwise in this piece, which shows his words aren't trustworthy either, just political!

[silverbear]

Obviously you are the clueless one if you think he doesn't want to reinstate the ban. Go back and read the first sentance in the article, dweeb!!! As a matter of fact go back a read the whole article, you really need to!

What he wants really doesn't matter, when he tells you quite clearly that he recognizes that political reality won't let him DO it...

So you and the other gun nuts are worrying about NOTHING... and I suspect you know that, which means that you're just trying to manufacture reasons to hate the guy... just like those morons who keep on screaming "he's a socialist!!!"

What's the old saying-- "actions speak louder than words"... in this case, that's true... Obama has clearly said he's not gonna try to restore the assault weapon ban, so until and unless he does, you really ought to give it a rest... consider the possibility that unlike the last President, the new one is not a liar, and when he says something, he almost always means it...

I'm completely confident that even when he's finished his second term in office, he won't have done one thing to take anybody's guns, of any type, away... feel free to remind me of this assertion if he ever does...

BTW, I hope you don't get an infraction for the "dweeb" remark, you do know that kind of thing is against the rules in here, don't you??

[silverbear]

Oh so I guess his prior history of voting on this topic is absolutely NO proof at all is it bear

Kindly outline all of his anti-gun votes...

In 2000 he cosponsored a bill that did not pass that would have limited folks to purchasing just one handgun per month... that means that your average citizen could only buy TWELVE GUNS PER YEAR!!!

Twelve guns a year isn't enough?? Again, rifles and shotguns don't count, just handguns?? Why would anybody need more than 12 handguns in a year??

Another vote was against letting people violate local gun bans in cases of self-defense... I see nothing wrong with voting against allowing people to break the law... instead, the citizens should get together and change those gun laws... but if it IS a law, then folks ought to obey it, or risk the consequences...

He also voted no on a bill that would prevent people from suing gun manufacturers... in most cases, I disagree with him on this one, the exception being gun manufacturers that produce semi-automatic weapons that can easily be modified to full auto after the purchase of said weapon...

And while in the Illinois Senate, he voted FOR a law that would allow retired police officers to carry concealed weapons... how very curious, for somebody who supposedly wants to take all our guns away...

In the US Senate, he voted FOR the Vitter Amendment in 2006... bet you don't know what the Vitter Amendment was, do you??

It was a bill forbidding the confiscation of lawful firearms during an emergency or natural disaster... so that was a vote FOR the gun owner, again rather strange behavior for somebody you'd have us believe wants to take our guns away...

Also while in the Illinois Senate, he publicly supported a ban on the sale and transfer of semi-automatic weapons, but he never cast any votes on that issue (that I can find)...

To date, the ONLY gun control legislation that Obama has advocated has been the reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that Dubya allowed to lapse... as for the rest of the gun control issue, he has been very clear that he thinks it should be a state issue, that it should be decided locally, and not by the Federal Government...

Now, have I missed any votes that you can share with me?? I suspect not, I suspect you've never really studied the man's position on gun control...

Maybe you aren't bright enough to realize from my other posts in this thread I was talking about his desire or intent to reinstate the ban.

For sure, you're not bright enough to realize that my response to you was (and I'll make it REAL simple for you here) "it doesn't matter what he 'desires", he's clearly said what he will or won't DO"...

Barack Obama doesn't like assault weapons in the hands of your average American citizen... says the only purpose for such weapons is to kill other people...

He's right, and I'd support him if he did try to get the assault weapons ban reinstated...

But he won't... he's done said as much...

Once again, it becomes quite clear that you have this warped perception of what Barack Obama believes in, one that does not square with the facts... IOW, you really don't have the first clue what the guy's about, yet you keep on spouting off as if you do...

We have enough REAL problems for you to be worrying about, instead of wasting your time worrying about when Barack's gonna come knocking on your door and take your guns away... please accept my assurance that no matter what he believes deep down, he's not gonna do any such thing... he knows it would be political suicide, not only for him, but for his party... so he wouldn't make the effort in his first term, knowing that would ensure he wouldn't have a second term... and he won't do it in his second term either, because the other prominent members of his party in Congress would never support it, knowing they'd never get reelected...

So it ain't gonna happen... period...

[silverbear]

From what I gather, Obama isn't pursuing the assault weapons ban solely because it isn't politically expedient to do so. Based on his voting record, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he would support the ban if conditions were different.

Exactly right... but conditions aren't different, so this "controversy" is a completely manufactured one...

Personally, I would rather the President stand behind the second amendment regardless of political winds. But that's just me....

Personally, I don't know why any private citizen NEEDS an assault weapon... oh, it can be used for hunting, but real hunters, the "one shot, one deer; two shots, maybe one deer; three shots, no deer" types, would sneer at anybody who felt the need to spray the woods with 30 rounds to try to bring down a deer...

Assault rifles are designed for mass murder, and nobody outside of the military or law enforcement should have one...

But that's as far as I go... I support the owning of handguns, shotguns, and rifles, and would oppose anybody who tried to take them away (even though I don't have a handgun, my nephew does, and I do have a rifle and a shotgun)...

I even support concealed carry permits, if the applicant can demonstrate a legitimate need for one (for example, a store owner who has to carry large sums of cash to the bank for deposit late at night)...

So I'll stand with Obama if he were to try to reinstate the gun ban (which he won't), but would draw the line there... I think it's eminently reasonable for the sake of public safety to try to get assault weapons off of our streets...

[silverbear]

Unfortunately we have a president who has a negative view of our constitution

That's just beyond idiotic, and marks you clearly as just another mindless Obama hater...

The President who had a negative view of our Constitution, who crapped on it repeatedly, was the one we just got rid of...

[ScipioCowboy]

Exactly right... but conditions aren't different, so this "controversy" is a completely manufactured one...

I've seen very few posters make any reference to a controversy.

Several posters have expressed concern over Obama's voting record and his infringement upon the second amendment. However, these details of Obama's voting record aren't being manufactured. They're matters of fact; consequently, having concerns over gun rights is perfectly valid...much like having concerns over Bush's wiretapping and invasions of privacy were valid.


Personally, I don't know why any private citizen NEEDS an assault weapon... Well, this is a different issue altogether.

The fact that you support additional infringements against the second amendment doesn't invalidate the concerns of gun rights supporters. Similarly, the fact that people supported the invasive provisions of the Patriot Act didn't invalidate the concerns of right to privacy supporters.

In my experience, the political party with which a person is most closely affiliated determines which rights he or she is willing to have usurped.

In my opinion, the term assault weapon is a manufactured one because it includes so many semi-automatic rifles.

[MetalHead]

What he wants really doesn't matter, when he tells you quite clearly that he recognizes that political reality won't let him DO it...

So you and the other gun nuts are worrying about NOTHING... and I suspect you know that, which means that you're just trying to manufacture reasons to hate the guy... just like those morons who keep on screaming "he's a socialist!!!"

What's the old saying-- "actions speak louder than words"... in this case, that's true... Obama has clearly said he's not gonna try to restore the assault weapon ban, so until and unless he does, you really ought to give it a rest... consider the possibility that unlike the last President, the new one is not a liar, and when he says something, he almost always means it...

I'm completely confident that even when he's finished his second term in office, he won't have done one thing to take anybody's guns, of any type, away... feel free to remind me of this assertion if he ever does...

BTW, I hope you don't get an infraction for the "dweeb" remark, you do know that kind of thing is against the rules in here, don't you??

Second term?
He won't take the guns...he's taking the ammo.

[sbark]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/19/obama-repeats-percent-stat-guns-recovered-mexico/

Obama Repeats '90 Percent' Stat for U.S. Guns Recovered in Mexico

The White House stands by the president's use of the word "recovered" in describing the role firearms smuggled from the U.S. play in Mexico's drug war.

..........so if this is "really" the problem, lets secure the border...stop any guns from going south, stop any drugs from going North, stop any illegals from going north, stop any money from drugs from going south......

its a easy win-win situation......that any teleprompter should be able to see

[arglebargle]

.....

Well, this is a different issue altogether.

The fact that you support additional infringements against the second amendment doesn't invalidate the concerns of gun rights supporters. Similarly, the fact that people supported the invasive provisions of the Patriot Act didn't invalidate the concerns of right to privacy supporters.

In my experience, the political party with which a person is most closely affiliated determines which rights he or she is willing to have usurped.

In my opinion, the term assault weapon is a manufactured one because it includes so many semi-automatic rifles.

Indeed....

:thumbup:

:shoot2:

[JBond]

Which once again is EXACTLY what I told the gun nuts in here when they started their "Obama's coming for our guns" crapola-- that no matter what views he might hold on the subject, he wouldn't do jack about gun control... I pointed out that he had WAY too much on his plate to even thing about taking that issue on...

As much as I'm criticized in here, I sure do wind up being right a lot... :D

Silver, he will not attempt any gun control right now. There were few if any that believed he would attempt that in his first term let alone his first 100 days. Obama has done enough damage right now that people are paying attention. Gun control is a little like putting all the chips in the pot but he is only holding a pair of 2's. He would loose right now, thus he will not attempt it until he has a firmer control over the public. Remember those of us that believe in states rights and legal immigration are the enemy. He will do it sooner or later. The DHS via the Patriot Act is watching all of us that believe in the rule of law.