Pet Cats Thread...

[SLATEmosphere]

You are killing me!! You got to take this act on stage, I swear you outdo Caliendo!

:lmao2:

Nah he won't be as good. He's probably some 55 year old that has no one to talk to in real life, and comes across really pathetic. probably won't get the same affect as when he sits behind a computer and acts like a bigshot.

[silverbear]

Aw, I can't voice my opinion now? So now I'm a troll? Who else do you like? let's see if we can agree on something

The definition of a troll is somebody who posts just to provoke a negative reaction... you have confessed to doing exactly that in this thread...

Don't blame me if you called your own self a troll, hoss...

And yeah, WilliamMooreGarbage is just blatant trolling... even you don't believe that crapola...

[BAT]

Nah he won't be as good. He's probably some 55 year old that has no one to talk to in real life, and comes across really pathetic. probably won't get the same affect as when he sits behind a computer and acts like a bigshot.

C'mon even you got to admit the bake the chicken line was a classic!

[silverbear]

William Moore is so legit. I wish he was a Cowboy.


If it's any consolation, I plan on seeing if I can get him to pay you a visit and sit on you...

[Bob Sacamano]

Nah he won't be as good. He's probably some 55 year old that has no one to talk to in real life, and comes across really pathetic. probably won't get the same affect as when he sits behind a computer and acts like a bigshot.

what does that say about you, who just comes on here with no agenda in mind but to stir **** up? you sound like you got a lot going on there buddy

[silverbear]

Are you so lonely that you have to feel like a big man on these boards? Does it make up for your shortcomings?

Yup... and it seems that you're not having fun any more...

[SLATEmosphere]

You're not the first message board poster who has told me he likes it when I "get on a roll"...

I'm havin' fun, too... at this point, this is an exercise designed to plumb the depths of Rampage's and Slate's masochism... how much punishment can they take before they scream "no mas"??

I'm not sure where you get this idea that your "punishing" anyone. Sean Jones,ADrian Wilson,jermaine Phillips and Rodney Harrison were all better than Moore coming out of College. That's debatable, but that's my opinion. My 220+ pound was a side argument on stating that I simply don't think William Moore is any good and the odds of him turning up to be good weren't very good. We can argue till we are blue in the face about it, but that's what I think about him. Take it FWIW.

[silverbear]

he's so possessive of Louis Delmas, it's creepy

It's hard for me to really follow his posts, I keep hearing this weird noise:

Slurp, slurp...

[silverbear]

You are killing me!! You got to take this act on stage, I swear you outdo Caliendo!

:lmao2:

And to think, you get all this quality entertainment for FREE!!!

[silverbear]

Nah he won't be as good. He's probably some 55 year old that has no one to talk to in real life, and comes across really pathetic. probably won't get the same affect as when he sits behind a computer and acts like a bigshot.

I'm used to people I've punked insulting me... doesn't change the fact that you've been thoroughly punked...

So bray on, brudda...

[SLATEmosphere]

Yup... and it seems that you're not having fun any more...

Nah, Of course I'm still havin fun, it's just a forum.I could care less what you think, I just think it's fun talking with fellow Cowboy fans since all my buddies arn't. lol. Just usually when people "try" to punk me or call me out I don't sit back and take it. I'm sure you can respect that. But it's a forum so i could care less if you think your "punking" me even though you really arn't. If it was in reality than we'd have a problem:p:

[silverbear]

C'mon even you got to admit the bake the chicken line was a classic!

Actually, that was SERIOUS... I've got a pack of chicken thighs thawed, and sometime before I call it a night I'm gonna pop it in the oven for about 45 minutes...

Bears gotta eat, you know...

[BAT]

Actually, that was SERIOUS... I've got a pack of chicken thighs thawed, and sometime before I call it a night I'm gonna pop it in the oven for about 45 minutes...

Bears gotta eat, you know...

Dang Bear, that's a hell of a bedtime snack!

[SLATEmosphere]

what does that say about you, who just comes on here with no agenda in mind but to stir **** up? you sound like you got a lot going on there buddy

I don't stir things up. I voice my opinion, then someone says "hey your wrong" than I say "no I'm not". Then some old guy comes in and trys to lay down the law and impress people by whipping out stats. Silverbear could of easily just not typed anything but he chose to stir things up also. It's a two way street. Isn't that what a forums for? or at least part of it?

[silverbear]

I'm not sure where you get this idea that your "punishing" anyone. Sean Jones,ADrian Wilson,jermaine Phillips and Rodney Harrison were all better than Moore coming out of College.

Now you're just trying to weasel out of the original argument that you and Rampage made... I won't let you get away with it...

The challenge was to list the good 220 pound safeties in the NFL... when one of the other posters brought up Sean Taylor and Darren Woodson, Rampage quickly changed the argument, narrowed the parameters to CURRENT 220 pound safeties in the NFL... so I provided a list that met his revised criteria...

Now, you try to change the parameters again, suddenly introducing draft status into the discussion... I expect that if we continue to argue, before long the challenge will be "name all the 220 pound safeties in the NFL who played at Missouri, and whose initials are WM"... :D

There is no surer sign that one knows he's gettin' his butt beat than when he repeatedly tries to change the parameter of the argument... I have proven quite clearly that the theory that you can't succeed at safety in the NFL if you weigh 220 pounds are more is pure, unadulterated bovine fecal matter...

[silverbear]

Dang Bear, that's a hell of a bedtime snack!

There's a lot of things diabetics have to stay away from, happily chicken isn't one of them... I'm becoming a regular Wade Boggs these days...

And since I haven't eaten since 8 AM, I have a hunch I'll tear that chicken up...

I'll also be up for a while longer, gotta do my laundry and ironing before I go back to work Tuesday night... so I'll have time to digest it... LOL...

[SLATEmosphere]

Now you're just trying to weasel out of the original argument that you and Rampage made... I won't let you get away with it...

The challenge was to list the good 220 pound safeties in the NFL... when one of the other posters brought up Sean Taylor and Darren Woodson, Rampage quickly changed the argument, narrowed the parameters to CURRENT 220 pound safeties in the NFL... so I provided a list that met his revised criteria...

Now, you try to change the parameters again, suddenly introducing draft status into the discussion... I expect that if we continue to argue, before long the challenge will be "name all the 220 pound safeties in the NFL who played at Missouri, and whose initials are WM"... :D

There is no surer sign that one knows he's gettin' his butt beat than when he repeatedly tries to change the parameter of the argument... I have proven quite clearly that the theory that you can't succeed at safety in the NFL if you weigh 220 pounds are more is pure, unadulterated bovine fecal matter...


That's debatable, but that's my opinion. My 220+ pound was a side argument on stating that I simply don't think William Moore is any good and the odds of him turning up to be good weren't very good. We can argue till we are blue in the face about it, but that's what I think about him. Take it FWIW.[/quote]

lol, if you think you won some kind of argument then I'll let you have it since it will make your week. If it means that much to you then it's yours. The fact still remains that Sean Jones and Adrian Wilson are currently and were better than Moore. Jermaine Phillips isn't much to look up to.Dawan is injured alot but still pretty good. That's 3 out of 32 teams. If you look back you'll see that my point was about the probablity not being very good and I'm still right. 3/32 isn't good at all.

[Rampage]

Uhhhh, the reason I'm "late" is because it took a considerable amount of time to work my way through every NFL roster...

Only a weasel would constantly taunt people with "I want a list of 220 pound safeties in the NFL), over and over and over again, then dis the guy who actually took the time to respond to his question... don't be a weasel, Rampage, you've already made yourself look bad enough...
this is a prime example of what happens when an old man feels he's won a debate or something special. how old are you bear 60? calling me a weasel? :lmao:

[silverbear]

I don't stir things up.

Gee, I guess somebody must have hacked your account and posted:

LOL I love getting Bear and BOB all wound up! Mission accomplished

You probably ought to try to keep your story straight, troll... you even BRAGGED about stirring things up...

If you haven't figured it out, that's why I'm now calling you a troll... you done admitted it...

[BAT]

lol, if you think you won some kind of argument then I'll let you have it since it will make your week. If it means that much to you then it's yours. The fact still remains that Sean Jones and Adrian Wilson are currently and were better than Moore. Jermaine Phillips isn't much to look up to.Dawan is injured alot but still pretty good. That's 3 out of 32 teams. If you look back you'll see that my point was about the probablity not being very good and I'm still right. 3/32 isn't good at all.

I'm curious, when do you think those 2 dozen 220 lbs safeties that Bear provided you are going to be converted into LBs?

[Rampage]

Now you're just trying to weasel out of the original argument that you and Rampage made... I won't let you get away with it...

The challenge was to list the good 220 pound safeties in the NFL... when one of the other posters brought up Sean Taylor and Darren Woodson, Rampage quickly changed the argument, narrowed the parameters to CURRENT 220 pound safeties in the NFL... so I provided a list that met his revised criteria...

Now, you try to change the parameters again, suddenly introducing draft status into the discussion... I expect that if we continue to argue, before long the challenge will be "name all the 220 pound safeties in the NFL who played at Missouri, and whose initials are WM"... :D

There is no surer sign that one knows he's gettin' his butt beat than when he repeatedly tries to change the parameter of the argument... I have proven quite clearly that the theory that you can't succeed at safety in the NFL if you weigh 220 pounds are more is pure, unadulterated bovine fecal matter...


That's debatable, but that's my opinion. My 220+ pound was a side argument on stating that I simply don't think William Moore is any good and the odds of him turning up to be good weren't very good. We can argue till we are blue in the face about it, but that's what I think about him. Take it FWIW.[/quote]if you were paying attention old man that was my arguement the whole time.:lmao: old people....

[SLATEmosphere]

Gee, I guess somebody must have hacked your account and posted:



You probably ought to try to keep your story straight, troll... you even BRAGGED about stirring things up...

If you haven't figured it out, that's why I'm now calling you a troll... you done admitted it...

Well it's just you,BOB and BAT..everyone else I respect and actually read their posts with credibilty. I should have been more specific.

[SLATEmosphere]

I'm curious, when do you think those 2 dozen 220 lbs safeties that Bear provided you are going to be converted into LBs?

Only 3 in that list were anything decent. The rest were garbage and have done nothing in the NFL..so again I go back to my main point. The probablity of those guys working out are pretty slim. So if anything his list proved my point.

[BAT]

this is a prime example of what happens when an old man feels he's won a debate or something special. how old are you bear 60? calling me a weasel? :lmao:


If the weasel fits, you got to wear it. Forum rule I believe.

[silverbear]

lol, if you think you won some kind of argument then I'll let you have it since it will make your week. If it means that much to you then it's yours.[/quote]

Like I said, the only way your torment could possibly end was for you to run away, or for the mods to close it... I accept your surrender...

I won't address the rest of what you wrote, it's just a rehash of the BS you posted earlier, which has already been ripped to shreds...

[silverbear]

this is a prime example of what happens when an old man feels he's won a debate or something special. how old are you bear 60?

56... and apparently, more intelligent than you are, and more knowledgeable about the game of football in general, the draft in particular...

Maybe if you live to be my age, you might acquire a clue...

calling me a weasel? :lmao:

Actually, I said don't be a weasel... it's excellent advice, you should take it...

[SLATEmosphere]

Like I said, the only way your torment could possibly end was for you to run away, or for the mods to close it... I accept your surrender...

I won't address the rest of what you wrote, it's just a rehash of the BS you posted earlier, which has already been ripped to shreds...

What? That there are only 3 safeties in the NFL right now over 220 pounds that have done anything? Not to mention the countless hits and misses. You just keep proving my point that it's rare to find anybody like that.

3 teams vs 29 teams..hmm I wonder which number is bigger? There must be a reason why...

[silverbear]

if you were paying attention old man

IMO, it's better to be an old man than to be a loudmouthed know-nothing...

If you think you can insult me by bringing up my age, well, that just proves once again that you're CLUELESS...

[Bob Sacamano]

cripes SLATE, give it up

[BAT]

What? That there are only 3 safeties in the NFL right now over 220 pounds that have done anything? Not to mention the countless hits and misses. You just keep proving my point that it's rare to find anybody like that.

Ah, that was not YOUR point. Both Bob and I pointed out that having LB size and corner speed was rare hence the reason that there were so few of them in the league.


You are starting to dissemble again.

[SLATEmosphere]

Ah, that was not YOUR point. Both Bob and I pointed out that having LB size and corner speed was rare hence the reason that there were so few of them in the league.

All those guys in SB's list ran as fast or close to 4.5. Notice how many of them are trash and ride the bench.

[Rampage]

56... and apparently, more intelligent than you are, and more knowledgeable about the game of football in general, the draft in particular...

Maybe if you live to be my age, you might acquire a clue...



Actually, I said don't be a weasel... it's excellent advice, you should take it...
read it again cause you did call me a weasel. but whatever you're just a 56 year old man shooting his mouth off behind a keyboard like Bat. it's cool though it makes you feel tough since you're not anymore. I understand have a nice night responding to every single post.

[SLATEmosphere]

read it again cause you did call me a weasel. but whatever you're just a 56 year old man shooting his mouth off behind a keyboard like Bat. it's cool though it makes you feel tough since you're not anymore. I understand have a nice night responding to every single post.

Nahh let him have this..it's really important to him and his 3 followers.

[DaBoys4Life]

read it again cause you did call me a weasel. but whatever you're just a 56 year old man shooting his mouth off behind a keyboard like Bat. it's cool though it makes you feel tough since you're not anymore. I understand have a nice night responding to every single post.

them sound like fighting words to me.

[Bob Sacamano]

All those guys in SB's list ran as fast or close to 4.5. Notice how many of them are trash and ride the bench.

some pan out, some don't, is that your clincher? all rookies face a 50/50 chance of busting, or making it, and you'll find alot more 6' 202lb. safeties riding the bench too

[BAT]

All those guys in SB's list ran as fast or close to 4.5. Notice how many of them are trash and ride the bench.

Delmas runs a 4.5 too. Is that the criteria for "trash"? So a guy who is much bigger, yet runs just as fast or faster than a favorite of yours (one you believe is pro bowl worthy) is immediately dismissed b/c of his weight?


What if the guy is 6'4? Is 220 still too big? I really am trying to understand.

[BAT]

them sound like fighting words to me.


Don't be a follower now. Otherwise someone will bet their life, and the crying will start up all over again. :D

[SLATEmosphere]

some pan out, some don't, is that your clincher? all rookies face a 50/50 chance of busting, or making it, and you'll find alot more 6' 202lb. safeties riding the bench too
That's just a numbers game. There's alot more of them so of course you'll see alot riding the bench too.

[Bob Sacamano]

That's just a numbers game. There's alot more of them so of course you'll see alot riding the bench too.

so is having few players at a position at a certain weight, the number of successful ones being pretty low

if the sample size of 220lb. safeties isn't that big, isn't it logical to assume that the sample of good ones in that group not being that big either? sounds logical to me

[SLATEmosphere]

Delmas runs a 4.5 too. Is that the criteria for "trash"? So a guy who is much bigger, yet runs just as fast or faster than a favorite of yours (one you believe is pro bowl worthy) is immediately dismissed b/c of his weight?


What if the guy is 6'4? Is 220 still too big? I really am trying to understand.

This is about coverage skills and Delmas dominates in that area more than Moore. Which was my original statement but i got my head chewed off because I didn't think Moore was any good in coverage. If he can cover than I don't care how big the guy is. Once again History says that's rare. Moore is a JAG and nothing special from any other googler. He'll be forgotten in 3 years.

[BAT]

so is having few players at a position at a certain weight, the number of successful ones being pretty low

if the sample size of 220lb. players isn't that big, isn't it logical to assume that the sample of good ones in that group not be that big either? sounds logical to me



Bob, don't get sucked in, logic just gets lost around here.

[silverbear]

Well it's just you,BOB and BAT..everyone else I respect and actually read their posts with credibilty. I should have been more specific.

Once again, when confronted with your own words, disproving one of your assertions, you resort to trying to weasel your way out of it...

You said you don't stir the fecal matter, I provided a quote where you merrily admitted to doing exactly that... so either you're schizophrenic, or you're a liar... which is it, slate??

FWIW, I've also lost all respect for you... which saddens me, I never knew you were like that... your credibility is also shot to hell with me...

[silverbear]

Only 3 in that list were anything decent..


Clearly, your definition of "decent" is asinine; equally clearly, when it comes to football, you're CLUELESS...

[Bob Sacamano]

This is about coverage skills and Delmas dominates in that area more than Moore. Which was my original statement but i got my head chewed off because I didn't think Moore was any good in coverage. If he can cover than I don't care how big the guy is. Once again History says that's rare. Moore is a JAG and nothing special from any other googler. He'll be forgotten in 3 years.

a big guy who can run and play centerfield, and who shows explosive hitting ability is JAG? what world do you live in?

[SLATEmosphere]

Clearly, your definition of "decent" is asinine; equally clearly, when it comes to football, you're CLUELESS...

Wilson,Landry and Sean Jones...who else?

[SLATEmosphere]

Once again, when confronted with your own words, disproving one of your assertions, you resort to trying to weasel your way out of it...

You said you don't stir the fecal matter, I provided a quote where you merrily admitted to doing exactly that... so either you're schizophrenic, or you're a liar... which is it, slate??

FWIW, I've also lost all respect for you... which saddens me, I never knew you were like that... your credibility is also shot to hell with me...

:lmao2: Am I really suppose to care? SHould I cry that the all-mighty silverbear thinks that? Don't flatter yourself.

[Bob Sacamano]

Bob, don't get sucked in, logic just gets lost around here.

I'm still trying to figure out how being a rare, physical specimen is such a bad thing

I mean isn't the NFL nowadays about finding the biggest and fastest players? I thought it was, guess not in SLATE and Rampage's Bizarro NFL world

all the safeties in this class are seperated by mere inches, there is no clear-cut, best safety in this draft

[silverbear]

All those guys in SB's list ran as fast or close to 4.5. Notice how many of them are trash and ride the bench.

Most of the first 9 listed are starters...

, you really ARE just making this crap up as you go along... how completely pathetic of you, that you can't admit you're wrong, even when your nose is rubbed in it...

[Rampage]

Wilson,Landry and Sean Jones...who else?
nope doesn't matter you're clueless just like i'm clueless. but he's not clueless even though he called me a weasel and than said he didn't.

[SLATEmosphere]

I'm still trying to figure out how being a rare, physical specimen is such a bad thing

I mean isn't the NFL nowadays about finding the biggest and fastest players? I thought it was, guess not in SLATE and Rampage's Bizarro NFL world

all the safeties in this class are seperated by mere inches, there is no clear-cut, best safety in this draft

We are just traveling in circles here. I don't think Moore is anything special and have seen him get smoked many times due to his lateral quickness.

There's Taylor Mays, Then there's the Williams moore's of the world.

[silverbear]

it's cool though it makes you feel tough since you're not anymore.

Oh, I'm tough enough... count on it...

And I've said nothing on this board that I wouldn't say to your face, if you kept on spouting this kind of stupidity...

I understand have a nice night responding to every single post.

I see, you can respond to every single post, but I can't... do you think I'm stupid enough to be swayed by that pathetic, OBVIOUS piece of reverse psychology??

As long as you're in here talkin' this stupidity, I'm gonna stay in your face...

[SLATEmosphere]

Most of the first 9 listed are starters...

, you really ARE just making this crap up as you go along... how completely pathetic of you, that you can't admit you're wrong, even when your nose is rubbed in it...

LOL I wouldn't want ANY of those guys on my team rather than Sean Jones or Adrian Wilson. The rest are JAGS. get out of here with Tank freakin Williams..spare me.

[silverbear]

them sound like fighting words to me.

They sound like false bravado, spewed by a guy who has just gotten his butt kicked in a fight to me...

[Rampage]

Oh, I'm tough enough... count on it...

And I've said nothing on this board that I wouldn't say to your face, if you kept on spouting this kind of stupidity...



I see, you can respond to every single post, but I can't... do you think I'm stupid enough to be swayed by that pathetic, OBVIOUS piece of reverse psychology??

As long as you're in here talkin' this stupidity, I'm gonna stay in your face...
so #1 you admit you called me a weasel since you didn't respond to that part.

[Rampage]

They sound like false bravado, spewed by a guy who has just gotten his butt kicked in a fight to me...
:lmao: I ain't got a scratch on me old man. you keep the confidence up though:lmao2: . i'm done with this thread before i get banned for 2 old keyboard warriors.

[SLATEmosphere]

so #1 you admit you called me a weasel since you didn't respond to that part.

He's trying to get cute with his words. He said "your acting like a weasel" Which in my book is calling someone a weasel. Then he straight up denied it.

FAIL.

[Rampage]

He's trying to get cute with his words. He said "your acting like a weasel" Which in my book is calling someone a weasel. Then he straight up denied it.

FAIL.
no he did

Uhhhh, the reason I'm "late" is because it took a considerable amount of time to work my way through every NFL roster...

Only a weasel would constantly taunt people with "I want a list of 220 pound safeties in the NFL), over and over and over again, then dis the guy who actually took the time to respond to his question... don't be a weasel, Rampage, you've already made yourself look bad enough...
bam! don't mess with this bad mofo cause he might call you a moron or weasel.

[BAT]

This is about coverage skills and Delmas dominates in that area more than Moore. Which was my original statement but i got my head chewed off because I didn't think Moore was any good in coverage. If he can cover than I don't care how big the guy is. Once again History says that's rare. Moore is a JAG and nothing special from any other googler. He'll be forgotten in 3 years.

In 2007, playing FS, Moore was considered the best safety in the nation. This was because he such a playmaker in coverage. He was also better against the run playing FS, b/c he was more effective running downhill than fighting through trash (despite his impressive size and quickness). As you can see below, Moore's numbers were not as impressive the following year after he was moved to SS and battled injuries.

William Moore Career Statistics
Year GP TKL PBU INT YDS

2007 14 117 6 8 61
2008 12 86 6 1 17


Now compare the numbers yourself.

Louis Delmas Career Statistics
Year GP TKL PBU INT YDS

2007 10 64 2 1 1
2008 13 111 3 4 98


Not only are the numbers eerily familiar but Moore outperforms Delmas, and aganst better competition. Moreso, both share the same weaknesses, too aggressive in the running game, bad angles, missed tackles, only Delmas is 20 lbs (of muscle mind you) bigger.


Like I said, I like Delmas better and for this reason, b/c IMO he has better intangibles. His awareness and instincts allow him to play faster, and he has the potential to play either safety position. Moore is a true FS, he is uncomfortable and not as productive playing in the box.

[Bob Sacamano]

We are just traveling in circles here. I don't think Moore is anything special and have seen him get smoked many times due to his lateral quickness.

There's Taylor Mays, Then there's the Williams moore's of the world.

there are Louis Delmases of the world too, OK athletes who don't amount to anything, and I hope that if we draft him that he'll go onto have a HOF career, but I'm not going to sit here and say this guy is not going to make it, or that guy is

and speaking of Moore, you're judging him after a season he played through injuries, in a pass-heavy conference, but who now is healthy enough to post a 6.81 3-cone at the Combine, which isn't exactly setting the world on fire, but is showing that he's fluid as an athlete, fluidity that he also showed to scouts at his Pro Day in safety drills, totally debunking the Roy Williams' comparisons

Moore is a top100 player, ranked just below Delmas according to NFLDS, so he has as just a good a chance as anyone to make something of himself in the NFL, it's not like we're talking about a potential UDFA here

[silverbear]

Wilson,Landry and Sean Jones...who else?

Dawan Landry, for one... Jermaine Phillips, for another... there's two of your so-called "Bench Warmers", the first one has started 32 of 34 games, the second has started 72 of 94 games... another "Bench Warmer", Michael Lewis has started a HUNDRED NFL games, our of a possible 108 played... and yet another "Bench Warmer", Bernie Pollard, has started 31 games over the last 2 years...

Once again, it becomes REAL clear that you don't know jack about the safeties in the NFL... there are 9 players on my list who have lasted between 5 and 9 years in the league, and you don't last that long if you don't have some game...

And of course, even if it WAS just three safeties over 220 pounders who even you call "good", then that would be more than enough to disprove your idiotic assertion that Moore has no chance to be good in the NFL, because of his weight...

Wilson, Landry and Jones are enough to rebut your BS argument... but as I have demonstrated, there are no fewer than 7 of the 32 NFL teams starting a safety over 220 pounds... that's over 20 per cent of the league, troll...

Clearly, 220 pound starting safeties aren't the rarity you'd have us believe they are...

[SLATEmosphere]

Not only are the numbers eerily familiar but Moore outperforms Delmas, and aganst better competition. Moreso, both share the same weaknesses, too aggressive in the running game, bad angles, missed tackles, only Delmas is 20 lbs (of muscle mind you) bigger.




FAIL.

[SLATEmosphere]

Dawan Landry, for one... Jermaine Phillips, for another... there's two of your so-called "Bench Warmers", the first one has started 32 of 34 games, the second has started 72 of 94 games... another "Bench Warmer", Michael Lewis has started a HUNDRED NFL games, our of a possible 108 played... and yet another "Bench Warmer", Bernie Pollard, has started 31 games over the last 2 years...

Once again, it becomes REAL clear that you don't know jack about the safeties in the NFL... there are 9 players on my list who have lasted between 5 and 9 years in the league, and you don't last that long if you don't have some game...

And of course, even if it WAS just three safeties over 220 pounders who even you call "good", then that would be more than enough to disprove your idiotic assertion that Moore has no chance to be good in the NFL, because of his weight...

Wilson, Landry and Jones are enough to rebut your BS argument...

I just said Landry. I'm not counting Laron because he was rated in the top ten and picked in the top ten. He's a rare talent. Phillips is nothing special and don't care much for him. So that's still 3 guys..the rest are googlers and nothing to be excited about. Would you be proud of those guys if they were on the Cowboys?

3/32 thats a horrible percentage.

Anyway, I'm extremely tired from a long day. Keep posting though. Myabe Bat and Bob will continue following. I'm really going to bed this time lol. Peace!

[Bob Sacamano]

according to NFLDS

William Moore...well-built athlete (guess he's not the tub of lard that he's being portrayed on here) with a prototypical blend of size, speed and instincts (wait, I thought being 221 was a big no-no?) fast and agile enough to be a true, centerfielder in coverage (that's what they're saying about Roy Williams, right?)...dynamic athlete who should improve as he gains more experience

[BAT]

We are just traveling in circles here. I don't think Moore is anything special and have seen him get smoked many times due to his lateral quickness.

There's Taylor Mays, Then there's the Williams moore's of the world.


Wait a minute here, Taylor Mays is 220, shouldn't he be a "JAG" too? I mean Bill Belichick said so, didn't he?


220 lbs is the magic number that causes safeties to lose any coverage ability b/c they are "fat"?

[silverbear]

:lmao2: Am I really suppose to care? SHould I cry that the all-mighty silverbear thinks that? Don't flatter yourself.

I reckon you should care about as much as I care about the opinions you expressed about me... what should probably bother you is all the readers who will check out this thread, and come away sharing my opinion of you... you have seriously damaged your credibility on this board with a lot of folks...

[Bob Sacamano]

Wait a minute here, Taylor Mays is 220, shouldn't he be a "JAG" too? I mean Bill Belichick said so, didn't he?


220 lbs is the magic number that causes safeties to lose any coverage ability b/c they are "fat"?

and let's not forget that William Moore was Taylor Mays after 2007

hell, going into 2008, they were labeling him a top15 pick

[BAT]

FAIL.



LOL, I am glad you're paying attention. Obviously that should be Moore is 20 lbs of muscle heavier than Delmas.


Please let your kindergarten teacher know that you should get a star for this. A shiny one, you deserve it. :D

[Bob Sacamano]

I just said Landry. I'm not counting Laron because he was rated in the top ten and picked in the top ten. He's a rare talent. Phillips is nothing special and don't care much for him. So that's still 3 guys..the rest are googlers and nothing to be excited about. Would you be proud of those guys if they were on the Cowboys?

3/32 thats a horrible percentage.

Anyway, I'm extremely tired from a long day. Keep posting though. Myabe Bat and Bob will continue following. I'm really going to bed this time lol. Peace!

well you really made your bed nice and comfy tonight, haven't you?:lmao2:you should have no problems falling asleep

[BAT]

I just said Landry. I'm not counting Laron because he was rated in the top ten and picked in the top ten. He's a rare talent. Phillips is nothing special and don't care much for him. So that's still 3 guys..the rest are googlers and nothing to be excited about. Would you be proud of those guys if they were on the Cowboys?

3/32 thats a horrible percentage.

Anyway, I'm extremely tired from a long day. Keep posting though. Myabe Bat and Bob will continue following. I'm really going to bed this time lol. Peace!


Uh, is that an amendment to the Bill Belichick proverb you love to throw around? You keep pulling out these qualifiers out of rampage's nether regions. That has got to hurt.

[Bob Sacamano]

new nickname for SLATE and Rampage

the BashED Brothers

anyone? Bueller? anyone?

[silverbear]

nope doesn't matter you're clueless just like i'm clueless. but he's not clueless even though he called me a weasel and than said he didn't.

Here's the exact quote:

only a weasel would constantly taunt people with "I want a list of 220 pound safeties in the NFL), over and over and over again, then dis the guy who actually took the time to respond to his question... don't be a weasel, Rampage

Where did I say you were a weasel?? I merely identified weasel-like behavior, and cautioned you against it... it seems that among your other character defects, your reading comprehension is sadly lacking too...

But hey, report me to the mods, if you're so wounded... of course, they might read the entire thread, and you have some violations of your own in here...

In fact, with your snarling insults, it's beyond hypocritical for you to complain about being insulted, even if you were...

[Bob Sacamano]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1162/49428253.png

[silverbear]

so #1 you admit you called me a weasel since you didn't respond to that part.

Sometimes posts are just so STUPID that you don't feel like responding to them... in this case, the stupidity is you complaining about personal insults when you've been slingin' 'em right and left...

Again, that's rather weasel-like behavior...

[BAT]

Sometimes posts are just so STUPID that you don't feel like responding to them... in this case, the stupidity is you complaining about personal insults when you've been slingin' 'em right and left...

Again, that's rather weasel-like behavior...

What an unfortunate waste of an education going on right here. :D You told them how to express their ire w/out getting negative mod attention, now you are dropping example after example. I doubt it will sink in.


Some kids just don't take well to learnin.:D

[Bob Sacamano]

we don't need no...ed-u-ca-tion

TEACHER! leave those kids alone!

knowledge we be spittin', keep hittin', leave their heads spinnin', give their brain an aneurysm, little children...

[dcfanatic]

Jairus Byrd - He can play deep Safety in Wade's Nickel and he can return punts from day one.

Brandon Tate - He can push Hurd and Stanback for the 4th WR spot and he can return punts.

Greg Toler - Could be the next DRC, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Should still be there in the 4th round. Needs to be coached up.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f76c59

Dorell Scott - True NT who will be availale in round 3 or 4.

FA QB's - Drew Willy & Jason Boltus.

[silverbear]

In 2007, playing FS, Moore was considered the best safety in the nation. This was because he such a playmaker in coverage.

Going into 2008, NFLDS rated Moore the top free safety in this draft, the 7th player overall... he would have been a top 10 pick if he had come out last year...

Delmas was rated the 11th best FS, and graded out as a 6th or 7th rounder...

Then Moore got hurt, wound up missing 2 games and part of 2 others... that's the ONLY reason he's not still the top-rated safety in this draft...

And regarding Slate's assertion that Delmas was better in coverage, once again that doesn't square with the FACTS-- in spite of being hurt his senior season, in spite of playing at a higher level of competition, he had 11 career ints, to Demas' 12... but he also had MORE passes defensed, 22 to 18... I don't see a whole lot of difference between the two when it comes to coverage, and if I may be permitted to express an uniformed opinion, I'd wager that Delmas gave up more TD passes over the course of his career than Moore did... I don't know where to go looking for that stat, though, so I will be honest (unlike Slate has been with his opinions) and admit that is just my subjective opinion...

And yet again, Slate spews an uninformed opinion, and expects us to accept it as fact...

[silverbear]

What an unfortunate waste of an education going on right here. :D You told them how to express their ire w/out getting negative mod attention, now you are dropping example after example. I doubt it will sink in.


Some kids just don't take well to learnin.:D

Hey, I'm just one bear in a world full of bears, there's only so much I can do... :D

BTW, I ended up barbequing some ribs, the chicken didn't smell quite right... LOL...

[silverbear]

Jairus Byrd - He can play deep Safety in Wade's Nickel and he can return punts from day one.

Brandon Tate - He can push Hurd and Stanback for the 4th WR spot and he can return punts.

Greg Toler - Could be the next DRC, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Should still be there in the 4th round. Needs to be coached up.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f76c59

Dorell Scott - True NT who will be availale in round 3 or 4.

FA QB's - Drew Willy & Jason Boltus.


A nice list, DC, though I'm skeptical that Byrd has the speed needed to play in the NFL... I'm keeping an open mind, maybe he was hurt when he ran for the scouts...

It's hard to believe how far and how fast Toler has risen the draft boards, isn't it??

[Yeagermeister]

Jairus Byrd - He can play deep Safety in Wade's Nickel and he can return punts from day one.

Brandon Tate - He can push Hurd and Stanback for the 4th WR spot and he can return punts.

Greg Toler - Could be the next DRC, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Should still be there in the 4th round. Needs to be coached up.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f76c59

Dorell Scott - True NT who will be availale in round 3 or 4.

FA QB's - Drew Willy & Jason Boltus.

That shouldn't be hard to do

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Duke Robinson
Jason Williams
Rashad Johnson
Terrance Taylor
Louis Delmas (I don't see him being a Cowboy though)

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Why is it that every year we have two or three know it all punks ruin this draft board ? I log on this morning excited to read through 23 pages of pet cats , only to have to skim through 20 pages of BS . God it makes me want to choke some of you guys . There's a private message link guys...use it !

[dcfanatic]

A nice list, DC, though I'm skeptical that Byrd has the speed needed to play in the NFL... I'm keeping an open mind, maybe he was hurt when he ran for the scouts...

It's hard to believe how far and how fast Toler has risen the draft boards, isn't it??

He's got size and speed.

Most NFL teams would rather go after a small school kid who has the potential to get much better than a big school kid who has already plateaued.

Once a team sees that he has on field numbers to go with his measurables than he's going to get some workouts.

Dennis Thurman liked him and that's good enough for me...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040301830.html

Dennis Thurman, the defensive backs coach for the New York Jets, had neither a highlight DVD nor an extensive scouting report on Greg Toler, the player he was about to see at Wilson High School on Monday. Thurman had heard only that he was fast.

"I was talking to another scout at the combine, and he told me about this defensive back from a tiny D-II school that ran a 4.37 40," Thurman said before he met Toler, who played college football at Division II Saint Paul's in Lawrenceville, Va. "I'd never seen the kid play, not even on tape."

When Toler walked into the Wilson athletic director's office, where Thurman and Ravens defensive assistant Roy Anderson were waiting, he politely introduced himself and sat down for a brief interview. Thurman asked most of the questions because Anderson already knew Toler.
Then came the workout.

"I know you're fast," Thurman said, "but I want to see if you can play."

Toler backpedaled quickly on the Wilson field and began a series of agility drills. The scouts wanted to see how Toler opened his hips going to the left and then to the right. They wanted to see how quickly he changed direction and how he came up on the ball to defend against the run.

After running Toler through a workout that lasted roughly 30 minutes, Thurman seemed pleased.

"The kid's good, but he's raw," he said. "He tracks the ball really well and has some good ball skills. The little technique skills that he doesn't have yet can be picked up."

No scout wants to overlook a potential contributor in his team's own region, and the Redskins apparently did their research before just about anyone.

"We went down and saw him play in the fall," Scott Campbell, Washington's director of player personnel, said in a telephone interview on Tuesday. "If a region scout is doing their job, they'll find a kid like that, especially if he's in your own backyard."

Campbell declined to comment when asked what the Redskins liked about Toler. But he did say: "He's got the measurables. The biggest question on him will be how he is able to go from being a big fish in a small pond to being a fish in a pond where everyone's as big and fast as he is."

Prior to his workout at Wilson, Thurman asked Toler if he was comfortable working out alone -- an environment sure to emphasize any misstep. After stocking department store shelves four years ago, the relatively unknown prospect wasn't about to complain.

"Nah, coach, I'm used to it," Toler said with a slight smile. "Every workout I've been on I've been alone. I'm a cornerback. I enjoy being on an island, and being from a small school I'm used to having to work harder to stand out."
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That's the atttitude a CB has to have. He's on an island and he knows that he has to work harder to show up because he's from a small school.

[irvin4evs]

1. Mitch King
Rashad Johnson
Jairus Byrd
Chris wells (not for us)
Hakeem Nicks
Brian Robiskie
Rudy Carpenter
Travis Beckum (WR)
Connor Barwin
Worrell Williams

[PullMyFinger]

read it again cause you did call me a weasel. but whatever you're just a 56 year old man shooting his mouth off behind a keyboard like Bat. it's cool though it makes you feel tough since you're not anymore. I understand have a nice night responding to every single post.




I understand have a nice night responding to every single post.



LOL......:lmao2: