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Doomsday101
04-24-2009, 08:28 AM
The world’s intelligence agencies and defense experts are quietly acknowledging that North Korea has become a fully fledged nuclear power with the capacity to wipe out entire cities in Japan and South Korea, the Times of London reported.

The new reality has emerged in off-hand remarks and in single sentences buried in lengthy reports. Increasing numbers of authoritative experts — from the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to the U.S. Defense Secretary — are admitting that North Korea has miniaturized nuclear warheads to the extent that they can be launched on medium-range missiles, according to intelligence briefings.

This puts it ahead of Iran in the race for nuclear attack capability and seriously alters the balance of power between North Korea’s large but poorly equipped military and the South Korean and U.S. forces ranged against it. “North Korea has nuclear weapons, which is a matter of fact,” the head of the IAEA, Mohamed ElBaradei, said this week. “I don’t like to accept any country as a nuclear weapon state we have to face reality.”

North Korea carried out an underground nuclear test in 2006 but until recently foreign governments believed that such nuclear devices were useless as weapons because they were too unwieldy to be mounted on a missile.

With 13,000 artillery pieces buried close to the border between the two Koreas, and chemical and biological warheads, it was always understood that the North could inflict significant conventional damage on Seoul, the South Korean capital. Military planners had calculated, however, that it could not strike outside the peninsula.

Now North Korea’s supreme leader, Kim Jong Il, has the potential to kill millions in Japan as well as the South, and to lay waste U.S. bases and airfields in both countries. It will force military strategists to rethink plans for war in Korea and significantly increase the potential costs of any intervention in a future Korean war. The shift from acknowledging North Korea’s nuclear weapons development program to recognizing it as a fully fledged nuclear power is highly controversial. South Korea, in particular, resists the reclassification because it could give the North greater leverage in negotiations.

burmafrd
04-24-2009, 09:45 AM
Actually the part about the devices being small enough to put into their medium range missiles is very much debated among the experts. This is a somewhat alarmist type of report. Especially since they only ever detonated one device and that one was pretty primitive and had a very low yield.
Best guess is that they are at least 3-5 years away from getting reliable warheads small enough to put on missiles.

Doomsday101
04-24-2009, 09:53 AM
Actually the part about the devices being small enough to put into their medium range missiles is very much debated among the experts. This is a somewhat alarmist type of report. Especially since they only ever detonated one device and that one was pretty primitive and had a very low yield.
Best guess is that they are at least 3-5 years away from getting reliable warheads small enough to put on missiles.

I think it will be much sooner than 3-5 years both in nuclear and missile technology. N Korea is determined and willing to do whatever they need to do to achieve this goal.

One thing for sure we know their words mean nothing. They lied and broke promises to the Clinton administration as well as to the Bush administration. We can continue to talk to N. Korea but I think it is meaningless since their word and promises can’t be trusted or taken seriously

burmafrd
04-24-2009, 10:15 AM
It takes a lot more then you would think to shrink a nuke down to the size where it can fit in anything smaller then an ICBM. Now its possible they either bought or stole some plans from Russia on theirs, but otherwise it takes time to figure that all out and get a reliable warhead.

Doomsday101
04-24-2009, 10:18 AM
It takes a lot more then you would think to shrink a nuke down to the size where it can fit in anything smaller then an ICBM. Now its possible they either bought or stole some plans from Russia on theirs, but otherwise it takes time to figure that all out and get a reliable warhead.

Understand that but if a country like Pakistan and India can do it so can N. Korea there is nothing stopping them from developing and acquiring the technology. I just think they will be able to do it in less than 3-5 years and I think the report does show that they are closer to having Nuclear weapons and the ability to use them.

burmafrd
04-24-2009, 10:29 AM
Actually both India and Pakistan's nukes are all air delivery types- not on missiles. It is certainly possible that NK has a couple small enough to put on aircraft for delivery but the article was talking about missiles.

Doomsday101
04-24-2009, 10:34 AM
Actually both India and Pakistan's nukes are all air delivery types- not on missiles. It is certainly possible that NK has a couple small enough to put on aircraft for delivery but the article was talking about missiles.

They are talking shorter range missile that could reach distance of Japan and of course S. Korea cities. However long range capability is also something they are looking for which is why they have done the recent testing with the so called satellite they launched. As one expert said it did not achieve what they wanted but it was a vast improvement over what they have attempted before. Each failure only helps lead the way to success as you learn and improve off the failure. The only difference you and I have is the time it will take. I think NK can and will achieve their goal in less than 3 to 5 years and evidently some experts feel the same. We will see what happens

zrinkill
04-24-2009, 10:36 AM
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Bob Sacamano
04-24-2009, 12:17 PM
It takes a lot more then you would think to shrink a nuke down to the size where it can fit in anything smaller then an ICBM. Now its possible they either bought or stole some plans from Russia on theirs, but otherwise it takes time to figure that all out and get a reliable warhead.

ever heard of a snuke? it can be inserted into a schnuz

JBond
04-24-2009, 12:22 PM
ever heard of a snuke? it can be inserted into a schnuz

That was on of the funniest episodes of all time.:lmao2:

Bob Sacamano
04-24-2009, 12:25 PM
That was on of the funniest episodes of all time.:lmao2:
let's go Hill-dog

JBond
04-24-2009, 12:29 PM
let's go Hill-dog

manbearpig is another favorite.

I'm totally serial.

Bob Sacamano
04-24-2009, 12:32 PM
manbearpig is another favorite.

I'm totally serial.

they need to go back to being totally random

I still find their shows to be enjoyable, but some of them are so hard-up on trying to make a point, you have those gems though

JBond
04-24-2009, 12:50 PM
they need to go back to being totally random

I still find their shows to be enjoyable, but some of them are so hard-up on trying to make a point, you have those gems though

I agree. i miss Marvin the Ethiopian with Sally Struthers.

http://www.ikiyabanci.com/attachments/sinema-tv/10481d1215204549-south-park-starvinmarvin.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VrfoiT12VQs/SWFZBy7oHBI/AAAAAAAAACc/qMF3_VaHEUs/s320/sallystruthers.jpeg

http://www.morethings.com/fan/south_park/photo_gallery/al-gore-is-manbearpig.jpg

irvin4evs
04-24-2009, 01:05 PM
South Park first 8 seasons = perfect

Since then = perfectly garbage

arglebargle
04-24-2009, 04:36 PM
How far is Seoul from the N. Korean border? Thirty-five miles, isn't it? Doesn't take much to get that far. Large artillery shell sized nuke could do it. The NKoreans have been expirementing for years with stealth subs and ships as well. Not that far to Japan, and it'd only take one slip up.

Those guys are loony as all get out; Makes normal political tactics a bit more dangerous.

burmafrd
04-24-2009, 06:04 PM
Its even harder to make a nuclear artillery shell. Sorry to burst your bubble argle.