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WoodysGirl
04-24-2009, 07:33 PM
By Lara Jakes, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 8 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The global shipping industry should consider placing armed guards on its boats to ward off pirates who have become increasingly violent, the U.S. military commander who oversees the African coastline said Friday. Gen. David Petraeus told a House committee Friday that just trying to outrun or block pirates from boarding cargo ships isn't enough to deter sea bandits off the Somali coast who are becoming more aggressive.

But the shipping industry has resisted arming their boats, which would deny them port in some nations.

Petraeus said defensive preparations short of armed guards "can work. You can have water hoses and others that can make it more difficult," Petraeus told a House Appropriations subcommittee.

But in a wry tone, he added: "It's tough to be on the end of a water hose if the other guy is on the end of an RPG. So you've got to think your way though that calculation as well."

An RPG is a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

Petraeus said the Navy would continue to patrol the region, but added that some shippers in the past hadn't taken even basic steps to avoid pirates.

"We started off by saying, 'If you just speed up, when the pirates approach you that will help. If you take evasive action, that's even better. And if you unbolt the ladder that allows the pirates to climb onto your ship before you set sail, you get extra credit for that,'" Petraeus said. "These were not being taken before."

Joe Cox, president of the Chamber of Shipping of America, cautioned that deploying armed guards aboard cargo ships could escalate violence if pirates expect a gunfight.

"If you asked us two weeks ago, we would say, 'No guns on ships,'" Cox said Friday. "Now the reaction is, 'Let's talk.' That's not a ringing endorsement of going in that direction. But we know, under the current circumstances, something has to be done."

The Washington-based trade association represents 32 shipping companies.

Cox also called on the government to remain committed to securing the high seas. "We don't want them to abrogate the responsibility," he said.

Pirates have hijacked more than 100 ships off the Somali coast over the last year, including one in a dramatic standoff between pirates and the U.S. Navy earlier this month in the Indian Ocean. A U.S. sea captain was held hostage for five days before three of his captors were shot and killed by Navy SEALS. A fourth pirate is now being held in New York, where he awaits prosecution.

Naval forces from several nations patrol the waters that Petraeus described as many times the size of Texas. But he said there is no way for any military to be able to safeguard all commercial ships that ply those waters.

The region is one of the world's most crucial shipping lanes, with oil vessels and other merchant ships carrying billions of dollars worth of cargo. Authorities say pirates are well aware that ship owners have been willing to pay an average of $2 million ransom for each seized ship.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090424/ap_on_go_co/us_us_piracy

WarC
04-27-2009, 02:44 PM
Petraeus is awesome. He even has a name. It's like this guy walked out of a time portal from Rome.

TheCount
04-27-2009, 03:37 PM
Blackwater is rubbing their hands together in the shadows somewhere.

notherbob
04-28-2009, 01:01 AM
Blackwater is rubbing their hands together in the shadows somewhere.

Yeah, I agree, I think some of these mercenary/security companies really need to make some sales calls on these shipping companies. They can be dropped off on board and picked up again after the ship gets through the troubled waters and before the ship docks so that they wouldn't violate the laws about armed ships entering ports.

Great money making opportunity for those who can think and act both.

hairic
04-28-2009, 01:11 AM
Blackwater is rubbing their hands together in the shadows somewhere.

They did a name switch to help people forget about bad PR. They are now known as Xe.

Hoofbite
04-28-2009, 04:58 AM
They did a name switch to help people forget about bad PR. They are now known as Xe.

Really?

Blackwater sounded cool like something out of the Bourne movies. Probably cause of the whole "Black Briar" thing. Not that I care for them much but they had a cool name.

Suppose it doesn't matter what their name is if they continue with the actions that got them their crappy rep.

Just searched for them and I guess they were denied a re-up on their diplomatic protection contracts and are not going to be in Iraq anymore.

Pirate fighting sounds like the perfect fit for this group of combat junkies.

CowboyWay
04-28-2009, 11:55 AM
I happened to see a special yesterday on these modern day pirates, and it just blows you away how these little boats with a handful of guys can come up to a ship, climb up and completely take the whole ship over.

You put a .50 caliber machine gun mounted on each side of that ship, build a 10 inch steel shield in front of it, and have a guy on each side of the boat manning it.

You ever seen a .50 caliber machine gun? There isn't a man, nor beast that wouldn't run like a scalded *** dog from it. Not to mention a few shots into these piece of junk skiffs these pirates are on, would totally decimate it.

To me, this seems like there is a pretty simple solution here. Would you attack a huge ship if you were in a tiny one, and the guy on the big ship was 100 feet in the air, and was mounted to a .50 caliber machine gun? No way.

burmafrd
04-28-2009, 01:29 PM
Problem is that in many countries eyes that makes that freighter now a combat ship. All sorts of other problems occurr. Due mostly to Soros's campaigns and other crazy radicals like him.