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ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 03:03 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518196,00.html

Los Angeles Officials Probe Two Possible Swine Flu Deaths

Tuesday, April 28, 2009

The Los Angeles County coroner's office is investigating two recent deaths for links to swine flu.

Coroner's Capt. John Kades says tests are being run on two bodies to see if swine flu was a factor in their deaths, but there is no confirmation that the disease killed them.

The Los Angeles Times reports on its Web site that both men's deaths were reported to the coroner's office on Monday.

Coroner's spokesman Craig Harvey told the paper that a Bellflower hospital reported the death of a 33-year-old Long Beach man who was brought in Saturday with symptoms resembling swine flu.

The other death was a 45-year-old La Mirada man who died April 22 at a Norwalk hospital.

An official with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday "I fully expect we will see deaths from this infection."

The World Heath Organization has now confirmed person-to-person transmission of the swine flu virus in the United States.

The WHO said some students in New York City infected with swine flu had not traveled to Mexico and must have contracted the disease from classmates who had recently returned from a trip to the country.

That is significant because it suggests the swine flu virus that is suspected in dozens of deaths in Mexico is now strong enough to be passed among people in other countries, raising the likelihood of a flu pandemic.

There had been suspicions that the diseases was being passed from human to human outside of Mexico, but this is the first confirmation.

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The number of confirmed swine flu cases in the U.S. is believed to be 68. The CDC has teams of investigators "on the ground" in California and New York.
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A CDC official told a Senate panel that includes five hospitalizations, up from one hospitalization the day before.

The state of Indiana is reporting a new confirmed case, but Indiana's health commissioner said the infected person was "doing well." In addition to 28 confirmed swine flu cases in New York City, health officials say they're also investigating a possible cluster of swine flu cases at a special education school in Queens.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Tuesday there are five new suspected cases; one of which is related to the Queens high school outbreak and two more under investigation. There is a 2-year-old boy in the Bronx in the hospital and is recovering, Bloomberg said, and he has an older brother who also exhibited flu symptoms, but tests for the flu are not complete.

Orlando may have a case swine flu. Chief medical officer for Adventist Health System, Loran Hauck, told WFTV-Orlando the case was diagnosed Tuesday morning.

"A case was diagnosed here in Orlando today on a tourist from Mexico who came to Disney attractions two days ago to visit," Hauck wrote in an email obtained by Eyewitness News WFTV.

The CDC and state health officials have not confirmed the Orlando case.

Officials from New Jersey, South Carolina and North Carolina say those states have "suspected" cases.

Dr. Nancy Cox of the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said she believes the earliest onset of swine flu in the United States happened on March 28. Cordova said a sample taken from a 4-year-old boy in Mexico's Veracruz state in early April tested positive for swine flu. However, it is not known when the boy, who later recovered, became infected.

Richard Besser, the CDC's acting director, said his agency is aggressively looking for evidence of the disease spreading and probing for ways to control and prevent it.

Flu deaths are nothing new in the United States. The CDC estimates that about 36,000 people died of flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s in the United States. But the new flu strain is a combination of pig, bird and human viruses that humans may have no natural immunity to.

Besser said that so far the virus in the United States seems less severe than in Mexico. Only one person has been hospitalized in the U.S.

"I wouldn't be overly reassured by that," Besser told reporters at CDC headquarters in Atlanta, sounding a cautionary note.

World health officials raised a global alert to an unprecedented level as swine flu was blamed for more deaths in Mexico and the epidemic crossed new borders, with the first cases confirmed Tuesday in the Middle East and the Asia-Pacific regions.

The WHO raised the alert level to Phase 4, meaning there is sustained human-to-human transmission of the virus causing outbreaks in at least one country. Monday was the first time it has ever been raised above Phase 3.

Putting an alert at Phases 4 or 5 signals that the virus is becoming increasingly adept at spreading among humans. Phase 6 is for a full-blown pandemic, characterized by outbreaks in at least two regions of the world.

In addition to closing schools, museums and other businesses to curb the outbreak of swine flu, Mexican officials Tuesday ordered restaurants in its capital city to serve only take out food in a widening swine flu shutdown.

With the swine flu having already spread to at least six other countries, authorities around the globe are like firefighters battling a blaze without knowing how far it extends.

"At this time, containment is not a feasible option," said Keiji ***uda, assistant director-general of the World Health Organization.

Canadian health officials on Tuesday confirmed two more mild cases of swine flu, bringing the country's total to eight, and warned against traveling to Mexico.

Alberta Chief Medical Officer Dr. Andre Corriveau said the western province has confirmed cases in two people who contracted the illness during recent travel to Mexico.

Neither man was hospitalized. One no longer has symptoms, while the other has made almost a full recovery.

Corriveau said none of the Canadian cases, including two cases in Nova Scotia and four in British Columbia, are severe. All of those infected have recovered.

New Zealand confirmed that 11 people who recently returned from Mexico contracted the virus, Health Minister Tony Ryall said. Laboratory tests on samples from three of the 11 came back positive and "on that basis we are assuming" the eight others are also infected, he said.

Those infected had suffered only "mild illness" and were expected to recover, Public Health Director Mark Jacobs said.

Israel and Spain have both confirmed two cases of swine flu.

With the virus spreading, the U.S. prepared for the worst even as President Barack Obama tried to reassure Americans.

At the White House, a swine flu update was added to Obama's daily intelligence briefing. Obama said the outbreak is "not a cause for alarm," even as the U.S. stepped up checks of people entering the country and warned U.S. citizens to avoid nonessential travel to Mexico.

"We are proceeding as if we are preparatory to a full pandemic," said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

The European Union health commissioner suggested that Europeans avoid nonessential travel both to Mexico and parts of the United States. Russia, Hong Kong and Taiwan said they would quarantine visitors showing symptoms of the virus.

The European Union has no plan to restrict imports of meat, pork products or livestock from the United States because of the swine flu outbreak, the EU's executive arm said on Tuesday.

"We have no plans to ban any meat, pork or food products from the U.S. since there is no connection between food and the flu at present and such a move would be unjust," a European Commission official told Reuters.

Mexico, where the number of deaths believed caused by swine flu rose by 50 percent on Monday to 152, is suspected to be ground zero of the outbreak. But Mexican Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova late Monday said no one knows where the outbreak began, and implied it may have started in the U.S.

"I think it is very risky to say, or want to say, what the point of origin or dissemination of it is, given that there had already been cases reported in southern California and Texas," Cordova told a press conference.

It's still not clear when the first case occurred, making it impossible thus far to determine where the breakout started.

Including the New Zealand, Israeli and new Spanish reports, there were 81 confirmed cases worldwide, not including Mexico, on Tuesday. That included eight in Canada, one in Spain, two in Israel and two in Scotland.

Symptoms include a fever of more than 100, coughing, joint aches, severe headache and, in some cases — but not all cases, vomiting and diarrhea.

Amid the alarm, there was a spot of good news. The number of new cases reported by Mexico's largest government hospitals has been declining the past three days, Cordova said, from 141 on Saturday to 119 on Sunday and 110 Monday.

In a bid to prevent mass contagion, Mexico canceled school nationwide until May 6, and the Mexico City government is considering a complete shutdown, including all public transportation. The Cinco de Mayo parade celebrating Mexico's defeat of a French army on May 5, 1862 and Mexico City's traditional May 1 parade were canceled. More than 100 museums nationwide were closed.

At Mexico City's international airport, families grimly waited for flights out of the capital or country, determined to keep their masks on until they touched ground somewhere else.

Three games involving Mexico City soccer clubs were played with no spectators over the weekend. Decio de Maria, secretary general of the Mexican soccer federation, said plans for future matches would be announced on Wednesday.

"The idea is to look for the fewest number of games that have to be played behind closed doors," he said. "If it's necessary, we'll play all the matches behind closed doors. We don't foresee canceling any games."

Many residents of Mexico City wore blue surgical masks, though the CDC said most masks offer little protection. Many victims have been in their 30s and 40s — not the very old or young who typically succumb to the flu. So far, no deaths from the new virus have been reported outside Mexico.

It could take four to six months before the first batch of vaccines are available, WHO officials said. Some antiflu drugs do work once someone is sick.

Napolitano, the U.S. Homeland Security chief, said Washington is dispatching people and equipment to affected areas and stepping up information-sharing at all levels of government and with other nations.

WHO spokesman Peter Cordingley singled out air travel as an easy way the virus could spread, noting that the WHO estimates that up to 500,000 people are on planes at any time.

Governments in Asia — with memories of previous flu outbreaks — were especially cautious. Singapore, Thailand, Japan, Indonesia and the Philippines dusted off thermal scanners used in the 2003 SARS crisis and were checking for signs of fever among passengers from North America. South Korea, India and Indonesia also announced screening.

Teams of doctors, nurses and government officials boarded flights arriving in Japan from Mexico, the U.S. and Canada to check passengers for signs of the flu, Japanese Health Ministry official Akimori Mizuguchi said.

World stock markets fell Tuesday as investors worried that any swine flu pandemic could derail a global economic recovery.

Treating Swine Flu

Besser said Monday people can best protect themselves against the swine flu threat by taking precautions they were taught as kids, like frequently washing their hands and covering their mouths when coughing.

He said there is no reason for Americans to begin wearing face masks as residents of some Mexican states are now doing.

There is no vaccine available to prevent the new swine flu. However, there are antiflu drugs that do work once someone is sick.

Bresser said the government is still deciding whether to order that a swine flu vaccine be produced. He said vaccine manufacture takes a long time and would interrupt ongoing work to create next winter's regular flu shot.

But if a vaccine eventually is ordered, the CDC already has taken a key preliminary step — creating what's called seed stock of the virus that manufacturers would use.

The virus appears responsive to the antiviral drugs, like Tamiflu and Relenza, which can be used to reduce the severity of the flu if used within two days of the appearance of symptoms.

Dr. Robert A. Salata, chief of the Division of Infectious Disease at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland, told FOXNews.com that the fact that the severity of the virus can be weakened by antiviral drugs is encouraging.

"This past flu season, all of the influenza type A viruses like this one, were resistant to Tamiflu," said Salata, who is also a professor at Case Western Reserve University. "These viruses appear to be sensitive to all four antiviral drugs on the market."

Roughly 12 million doses of Tamiflu will be moved from a federal stockpile to places where states can quickly get their share if they decide they need it, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said.

Salata said people should be cautious, but not panic.

"It’s our responsibility to educate people on what they’re risks are and to encourage them to try to take measures to prevent the spread of the disease," he said. "Certainly people should stay away from people who are know to be ill, practice good hand hygene, as well as good cough and sneeze etiquette."

Drugmaker Baxter International Inc. has requested the swine flu virus sample from the World Health Organization so that it can research the virus and then develop a vaccine in what the company spokesperson said is half the time, approximately 13 weeks, of normal manufacturing, which is usually 26 weeks. Baxter specializes in research and development in emerging vaccines.

TheCount
04-28-2009, 03:15 PM
How many of you guys have actually been to the doctor over this?

JBond
04-28-2009, 03:23 PM
I have not had a flu vaccine in 12 years, and strangely enough I have not had the flu. Go figure.

Dallas
04-28-2009, 03:26 PM
I have not had a flu vaccine in 12 years, and strangely enough I have not had the flu. Go figure.


No flu symptoms in my house.




No pigs neither.

DIAF
04-28-2009, 03:29 PM
I am tempted to fake-cough and act like i've got the sniffles as i'm in coworkers offices and cubes today just for laughs.

JBond
04-28-2009, 03:30 PM
No flu symptoms in my house.




No pigs neither.

I'm kinda worried about my cleaning crew. One of them did not look so good.

Dallas
04-28-2009, 03:37 PM
I am tempted to fake-cough and act like i've got the sniffles as i'm in coworkers offices and cubes today just for laughs.


:lmao2:


You and those one liner's. Good one.


That is kinda mean though. ;) DO IT !!! DO IT !!!

Dallas
04-28-2009, 03:39 PM
I'm kinda worried about my cleaning crew. One of them did not look so good.


Did you ask them? I think I would go see a doctor if I had flu symptoms. I typically just stay home and tough it out but this virus is a bit spookey. I think a visit to the doctor would be warranted.

Better safe than OINK-OINK-OINK.

ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 03:56 PM
Not trying to create undo paranoia here but if you look at the numbers, 1600 confirmed cases in Mexico, as of today and over 150 deaths attributed, that's almost a 10% fatality rate. That's pretty high.

BigWillie
04-28-2009, 04:23 PM
Not trying to create undo paranoia here but if you look at the numbers, 1600 confirmed cases in Mexico, as of today and over 150 deaths attributed, that's almost a 10% fatality rate. That's pretty high.

Actually, when you consider the type of living conditions and the type of health services they receive in Mexico, it is not as high as you would think.

The thing that worries me most about the virus is even more illegals who have swine flu who try to enter America to get better treated. In the end, they infect more people and continue the spread of this virus.

Getting a bit scary, but over the next few days we should really find out if this thing will explode or not.

Now I'm going to wash my hands .. :D

ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 04:37 PM
Actually, when you consider the type of living conditions and the type of health services they receive in Mexico, it is not as high as you would think.

The thing that worries me most about the virus is even more illegals who have swine flu who try to enter America to get better treated. In the end, they infect more people and continue the spread of this virus.

Getting a bit scary, but over the next few days we should really find out if this thing will explode or not.

Now I'm going to wash my hands .. :D

Just saw a report that said they suspect hundreds are infected in NY.

hairic
04-28-2009, 04:41 PM
Actually, when you consider the type of living conditions and the type of health services they receive in Mexico, it is not as high as you would think.

The thing that worries me most about the virus is even more illegals who have swine flu who try to enter America to get better treated. In the end, they infect more people and continue the spread of this virus.

Getting a bit scary, but over the next few days we should really find out if this thing will explode or not.

Now I'm going to wash my hands .. :D

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.639375,-110.390625&spn=15.738151,25.488281&z=5

It's already been around for about a week (including incubation) and can't be contained. Shutting down all borders and all travel would have little to no effect on the spread. We also probably won't know if it'll explode until spring of 2011ish, as that's about how long it takes for a pandemic to peak (multiple flu seasons to spread).

TheCount
04-28-2009, 04:42 PM
ASibLqwVbsk

I don't know how to post youtube videos, but worth a watch. Apparently we already survived the Swine Flu Pandemic once before.

Thanks for the edit, it also turns out the Swine Flu vaccine from the 70's killed 40+ people.

BigWillie
04-28-2009, 04:51 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.639375,-110.390625&spn=15.738151,25.488281&z=5

It's already been around for about a week (including incubation) and can't be contained. Shutting down all borders and all travel would have little to no effect on the spread. We also probably won't know if it'll explode until spring of 2011ish, as that's about how long it takes for a pandemic to peak (multiple flu seasons to spread).

If this thing cannot be contained within weeks, we will know. In no way will it take until 2011 to understand the severity of the virus.

For example, the Spanish flu killed over 25 million in the first 6 months and was only really considered a pandemic for just a year.

It's very likely within 4-5 months we will have a cure for this virus. It will then just be a matter of making enough and getting it out to the people if it comes to that point.

BigWillie
04-28-2009, 04:54 PM
Just saw a report that said they suspect hundreds are infected in NY.

Confirmed or suspected?

That is another thing that possibly worries me. People getting paranoid if someone sneezes near them or if they get a runny nose themselves. They feel the need to run to the hospital, scare themselves and the doctors only to be told them have a normal cold or nothing at all.

I know people want to play it safe, but there can be a difference between that and paranoia. I hope it doesn't come to that.

hairic
04-28-2009, 04:54 PM
ASibLqwVbsk

I don't know how to post youtube videos, but worth a watch. Apparently we already survived the Swine Flu Pandemic once before.

New strain = brand new game.

hairic
04-28-2009, 04:55 PM
If this thing cannot be contained within weeks, we will know. In no way will it take until 2011 to understand the severity of the virus.

For example, the Spanish flu killed over 25 million in the first 6 months and was only really considered a pandemic for just a year.

It's very likely within 4-5 months we will have a cure for this virus. It will then just be a matter of making enough and getting it out to the people if it comes to that point.

Actually, the Spanish flu first showed up on the battlefields in WW1 as a seasonal flu, died down, then came back the next flu season, died down, then killed millions.

Rogah
04-28-2009, 05:00 PM
I have not had a flu vaccine in 12 years, and strangely enough I have not had the flu. Go figure.I have never had a vaccine and I have never had the flu. Knock on wood :D

(But I did fly into JFK in NY on this past Friday and Sunday so if I all of a sudden disappear from the forum, well you will know why)

BigWillie
04-28-2009, 05:01 PM
Actually, the Spanish flu first showed up on the battlefields in WW1 as a seasonal flu, died down, then came back the next flu season, died down, then killed millions.

I have never read it like that.

Link to info?

Kangaroo
04-28-2009, 05:07 PM
Thats pretty funny only 10%

According tot he CDC (Center For Disease Control)
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

very year in the United States, on average:
5% to 20% of the population gets the flu;
more than 200,000 (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/hospital.htm) people are hospitalized from flu-related complications; and
about 36,000 (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm) people die from flu-related causes.This is in the US with the best medical you can get despite all the crying done by people and the current Health Care costs

So how many people die of the normal flu in Mexico every year would be the question

hairic
04-28-2009, 05:08 PM
I have never read it like that.

Link to info?

Read it in college library a few years ago and don't remember the book.

google keywords: spanish flu austria spring 1917

masomenos
04-28-2009, 05:15 PM
All I need to know about the swine flu is whether or not it's still safe to eat bacon?

Seriously.

hairic
04-28-2009, 05:16 PM
Thats pretty funny only 10%

According tot he CDC (Center For Disease Control)
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

very year in the United States, on average:
5% to 20% of the population gets the flu;
more than 200,000 (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/hospital.htm) people are hospitalized from flu-related complications; and
about 36,000 (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm) people die from flu-related causes.This is in the US with the best medical you can get despite all the crying done by people and the current Health Care costs

So how many people die of the normal flu in Mexico every year would be the question

Look at the age group that's dying.

Then look up cytokine storms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm#Role_in_pandemic_deaths

ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 05:25 PM
Thats pretty funny only 10%

According tot he CDC (Center For Disease Control)
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

very year in the United States, on average:
5% to 20% of the population gets the flu;
more than 200,000 (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/hospital.htm) people are hospitalized from flu-related complications; and
about 36,000 (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm) people die from flu-related causes.This is in the US with the best medical you can get despite all the crying done by people and the current Health Care costs

So how many people die of the normal flu in Mexico every year would be the question

What is some what alarming about this is that, on average .01% of all who are infected with Influenza in any given year, die from it. The rate of death with this latest breakout is substantially higher, according to reports.

In the outbreak of 1918, the infection rate was about 50% and the mortality rate of those infected was is not exactly know but it is estimated that between 20 and 100 million died of influenza between 1918 and 1919.

What is particularly interesting about that strain was the age group that were effected most. Normally, influenza attacks the very young or the very old. In this case, almost 99% of those attacked were under 65 and 50% were between the ages of 20 and 40.

ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 05:26 PM
Look at the age group that's dying.

Then look up cytokine storms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm#Role_in_pandemic_deaths

Your talking about Spanish Influenza.

Rogah
04-28-2009, 05:34 PM
What is some what alarming about this is that, on average .01% of all who are infected with Influenza in any given year, die from it. The rate of death with this latest breakout is substantially higher, according to reports.I am not sure that statistic is accurate when we are talking about global averages. (Heck, that stat doesn't even make sense if we are talking purely about the U.S. because if we accept that 40,000 people in the U.S. die from the flu annually, that stat would imply 400,000,000 people get the flu).

An article I saw in the Guardian says "WHO estimates flu kills upward of 250,000 to 500,000 people year after year. "Normal" flu epidemics infect 3 to 5 million a year. Statistics are complicated by inconsistent reporting. Flu often leads to other ailments that end up being listed as the ultimate cause of death."

So I am not sure a 10% mortality rate is out of whack from global flu averages.

(Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/8478428)

EDIT: Also, I am not entirely sure I believe every statistic coming out of Mexico... I mean, with the frenzy we are seeing, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the stats are skewed.

ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 05:50 PM
I am not sure that statistic is accurate when we are talking about global averages. (Heck, that stat doesn't even make sense if we are talking purely about the U.S. because if we accept that 40,000 people in the U.S. die from the flu annually, that stat would imply 400,000,000 people get the flu).

An article I saw in the Guardian says "WHO estimates flu kills upward of 250,000 to 500,000 people year after year. "Normal" flu epidemics infect 3 to 5 million a year. Statistics are complicated by inconsistent reporting. Flu often leads to other ailments that end up being listed as the ultimate cause of death."

So I am not sure a 10% mortality rate is out of whack from global flu averages.

(Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/8478428)

EDIT: Also, I am not entirely sure I believe every statistic coming out of Mexico... I mean, with the frenzy we are seeing, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the stats are skewed.

I don't know how accurate the numbers coming out of Mexico are but if we accept that 1600 have been diagnosed and over 150 have died, then the percentage is just under 10%. I don't know how accurate those numbers are because we are so early into this thing.

The world wide percentages are probably more accurate. I got those from this site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

BigWillie
04-28-2009, 06:09 PM
The more I read about the "swine flu" the less worried I become. The two reported deaths in California were not attributed to swine flu after all.

Really, this flu sounds highly contagious and severe, but only severe when not properly treated by doctors. Pretty much all who have been admitted with swine flu in America have reacted well to the medicines.

I'm beginning to believe the majority of the deaths with this flu are for lack of knowledge of this in thinking they had just a regular flu and improper care by hospitals.

Kangaroo
04-28-2009, 06:11 PM
I don't know how accurate the numbers coming out of Mexico are but if we accept that 1600 have been diagnosed and over 150 have died, then the percentage is just under 10%. I don't know how accurate those numbers are because we are so early into this thing.

The world wide percentages are probably more accurate. I got those from this site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

Thats my question the US has good healthcare and I doubt even if we had 1600 infected that we would hit close tot he numbers in Mexico dead.

That was my question what is the normal Flu death rate in Mexico

Dallas
04-28-2009, 06:29 PM
All I need to know about the swine flu is whether or not it's still safe to eat bacon?

Seriously.


Seriously?


Nothing at all to worry about. Calling it the Swine Virus has really hurt the pork industry. So much so that Napolitano is begging everyone to stop calling it the Swing Virus.

H1N1 she wants to call it. Something like that.


So eat as much bacon and stuffed sausage as you can get your little hands on. All is well w/ the US pig industry.

Rogah
04-28-2009, 06:58 PM
I don't know how accurate the numbers coming out of Mexico are but if we accept that 1600 have been diagnosed and over 150 have died, then the percentage is just under 10%. I don't know how accurate those numbers are because we are so early into this thing.

The world wide percentages are probably more accurate. I got those from this site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfluenzaI will be the first to admit that this isn't exactly a subject I know terribly much about, and I have learned a lot over the past couple days, so it is nice to hear differing points of view.

I do believe there is a sort of panic reaction by the population when a story like this dominates the media, following by wild exaggerations. Where I live, they said that last night there were 40 "suspected cases" of swine flu in the state. As of tonight, 15 of those cases had been tested and none were really the swine flu.

Rogah
04-28-2009, 07:01 PM
Seriously?


Nothing at all to worry about. Calling it the Swine Virus has really hurt the pork industry.Honest question: Isn't the whole point of cooking food to destroy all the bacteria and viruses that would otherwise do us harm?

ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 07:15 PM
I will be the first to admit that this isn't exactly a subject I know terribly much about, and I have learned a lot over the past couple days, so it is nice to hear differing points of view.

I do believe there is a sort of panic reaction by the population when a story like this dominates the media, following by wild exaggerations. Where I live, they said that last night there were 40 "suspected cases" of swine flu in the state. As of tonight, 15 of those cases had been tested and none were really the swine flu.

I am no expert either. I think that it's very early to start jumping to the worst possible conclusion about this but, I have always tried to live by the adige, hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Hopefully, this well be much ado about nothing. I do believe that it is a mistake not to close the boarders until such time as we actually know whats going on. The left will say that it's to late but I would make just a couple of points here. One, if this thing does turn out to be true, then we are going to reach the saturation point soon enough and two, if histaria plays a role in this, it will not be long before people decide to take matters into there own hands. None of this needs to happen. A simple closure of the boarders would prevent all of this. There is nothing that says the UN and the rest of the world can't help Mexico with this. We can send supplies to Mexico easier then we can care for any influx we may eventually experience.

TheCount
04-28-2009, 07:23 PM
lol, I've developed a fever in addition to my sore throat here in NY. Going to the doctor tomorrow. :o:

Dallas
04-28-2009, 07:25 PM
Honest question: Isn't the whole point of cooking food to destroy all the bacteria and viruses that would otherwise do us harm?


Does properly cooking the food honestly kill all bacteria and bad things? I don't really know. I know it kills most things that could harm us.

I love to cook. I cook all the time. The one thing that I make certain of is that my food is cooked/servered properly. This includes all fish/beef/poultry etc.

The last thing I would want is for someone to get sick off of something I cooked for them.

ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 07:26 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518196,00.html

Two L.A. Deaths Likely Not Swine Flu

Tuesday, April 28, 2009

Los Angeles County public health officer Dr. Jonathan Fielding said Tuesday during a news briefing that news reports of two possible deaths were initially "misreported."

The Los Angeles County coroner's office ruled out swine flu as the cause of one those deaths. Cororner's Assistant Chief Ed Winter said Tuesday that swine flu was not found in a La Mirada man. Winter says lab testing is pending in the case of a 33-year-old Long Beach man but swine flu is now not suspected.

However, one top official from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control said going forward, flu deaths are likely.

Of the 10 confirmed swine flu cases in California, none are in Los Angeles County, Fielding said.

“We have not yet identified a case in L.A., but we’ve increased our surveillance activities in the past week and we believe we will find and confirm flu cases in our county,” he said.

“We currently are investigating two possible flu clusters in two schools," he continued. "And since swine flu can only be confirmed by lab testing, it takes several days for a case to be confirmed. We have at this point two probable cases and two possible cases of swine flu.”

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a state of emergency Tuesday to respond to the swine flu outbreak as the two fatalities in Los Angeles were being investigated for possible links to the virus.

The state of emergency comes as President Obama requested Congress approve $1.5 billion in supplemental funds to "enhance capability" to address the spread of the outbreak, including the development of anti-viral stocks.

The governor's office said the declaration was not sparked by the deaths of two men but in part because California was the first U.S. state to confirm a case of the H1N1 virus.

The declaration is accompanied by a request for federal funds to cover enactment of emergency "services, materials, personnel and equipment to supplement extraordinary preventive measures being taken across the state."
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The governor's office said state health officials are working closely with the federal government and local health partners to find measures to reduce the virus' spread and a wider impact on the state.

California's proclamation orders all state agencies and departments to assist the Department of Public Health enact the state emergency plan coordinated by the California Emergency Management Agency. It suspends bids for contracts to perform services like lab testing and analysis.

In making the declaration, Schwarzenegger announced that the state now joins the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in conducting its own testing of virus samples obtained from patients with symptoms resembling the swine flu.

Meanwhile, several hundred students have fallen ill at the New York school hit by a swine flu outbreak, city officials said Tuesday as the number of confirmed cases in the United States rose to 68, with at least seven people hospitalized.

"I fully expect we will see deaths from this infection," as swine flu cases are investigated, said Richard Besser, acting director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The World Heath Organization has now confirmed person-to-person transmission of the swine flu virus in the United States.

The WHO said some students in New York City infected with swine flu had not traveled to Mexico and must have contracted the disease from classmates who had recently returned from a trip to the country.

That is significant because it suggests the swine flu virus that is suspected in dozens of deaths in Mexico is now strong enough to be passed among people in other countries, raising the likelihood of a flu pandemic.

There had been suspicions that the diseases was being passed from human to human outside of Mexico, but this is the first confirmation.

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The number of confirmed swine flu cases in the U.S. is believed to be 68. The CDC has teams of investigators "on the ground" in California and New York.

A CDC official told a Senate panel that includes five hospitalizations, up from one hospitalization the day before.

The state of Indiana is reporting a new confirmed case, but Indiana's health commissioner said the infected person was "doing well." In addition to 28 confirmed swine flu cases in New York City, health officials say they're also investigating a possible cluster of swine flu cases at a special education school in Queens.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Tuesday there are five new suspected cases; one of which is related to the Queens high school outbreak and two more under investigation. There is a 2-year-old boy in the Bronx in the hospital and is recovering, Bloomberg said, and he has an older brother who also exhibited flu symptoms, but tests for the flu are not complete.

Officials from New Jersey, South Carolina and North Carolina say those states have "suspected" cases. Michigan has a second suspected case of swine flu.

Dr. Nancy Cox of the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said she believes the earliest onset of swine flu in the United States happened on March 28. Cordova said a sample taken from a 4-year-old boy in Mexico's Veracruz state in early April tested positive for swine flu. However, it is not known when the boy, who later recovered, became infected.

Richard Besser, the CDC's acting director, said his agency is aggressively looking for evidence of the disease spreading and probing for ways to control and prevent it.

Flu deaths are nothing new in the United States. The CDC estimates that about 36,000 people died of flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s in the United States. But the new flu strain is a combination of pig, bird and human viruses that humans may have no natural immunity to.

Besser said that so far the virus in the United States seems less severe than in Mexico. Only one person has been hospitalized in the U.S.

"I wouldn't be overly reassured by that," Besser told reporters at CDC headquarters in Atlanta, sounding a cautionary note.

World health officials raised a global alert to an unprecedented level as swine flu was blamed for more deaths in Mexico and the epidemic crossed new borders, with the first cases confirmed Tuesday in the Middle East and the Asia-Pacific regions.

The WHO raised the alert level to Phase 4, meaning there is sustained human-to-human transmission of the virus causing outbreaks in at least one country. Monday was the first time it has ever been raised above Phase 3.

Putting an alert at Phases 4 or 5 signals that the virus is becoming increasingly adept at spreading among humans. Phase 6 is for a full-blown pandemic, characterized by outbreaks in at least two regions of the world.

In addition to closing schools, museums and other businesses to curb the outbreak of swine flu, Mexican officials Tuesday ordered restaurants in its capital city to serve only take out food in a widening swine flu shutdown.

With the swine flu having already spread to at least six other countries, authorities around the globe are like firefighters battling a blaze without knowing how far it extends.

"At this time, containment is not a feasible option," said Keiji ***uda, assistant director-general of the World Health Organization.

Canadian health officials on Tuesday confirmed two more mild cases of swine flu, bringing the country's total to eight, and warned against traveling to Mexico.

Alberta Chief Medical Officer Dr. Andre Corriveau said the western province has confirmed cases in two people who contracted the illness during recent travel to Mexico.

Neither man was hospitalized. One no longer has symptoms, while the other has made almost a full recovery.

Corriveau said none of the Canadian cases, including two cases in Nova Scotia and four in British Columbia, are severe. All of those infected have recovered.

New Zealand confirmed that 11 people who recently returned from Mexico contracted the virus, Health Minister Tony Ryall said. Laboratory tests on samples from three of the 11 came back positive and "on that basis we are assuming" the eight others are also infected, he said.

Those infected had suffered only "mild illness" and were expected to recover, Public Health Director Mark Jacobs said.

Israel and Spain have both confirmed two cases of swine flu.

With the virus spreading, the U.S. prepared for the worst even as President Barack Obama tried to reassure Americans.

At the White House, a swine flu update was added to Obama's daily intelligence briefing. Obama said the outbreak is "not a cause for alarm," even as the U.S. stepped up checks of people entering the country and warned U.S. citizens to avoid nonessential travel to Mexico.

"We are proceeding as if we are preparatory to a full pandemic," said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

The European Union health commissioner suggested that Europeans avoid nonessential travel both to Mexico and parts of the United States. Russia, Hong Kong and Taiwan said they would quarantine visitors showing symptoms of the virus.

The European Union has no plan to restrict imports of meat, pork products or livestock from the United States because of the swine flu outbreak, the EU's executive arm said on Tuesday.

"We have no plans to ban any meat, pork or food products from the U.S. since there is no connection between food and the flu at present and such a move would be unjust," a European Commission official told Reuters.

Mexico, where the number of deaths believed caused by swine flu rose by 50 percent on Monday to 152, is suspected to be ground zero of the outbreak. But Mexican Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova late Monday said no one knows where the outbreak began, and implied it may have started in the U.S.

"I think it is very risky to say, or want to say, what the point of origin or dissemination of it is, given that there had already been cases reported in southern California and Texas," Cordova told a press conference.

It's still not clear when the first case occurred, making it impossible thus far to determine where the breakout started.

Including the New Zealand, Israeli and new Spanish reports, there were 81 confirmed cases worldwide, not including Mexico, on Tuesday. That included eight in Canada, one in Spain, two in Israel and two in Scotland.

Symptoms include a fever of more than 100, coughing, joint aches, severe headache and, in some cases — but not all cases, vomiting and diarrhea.

Amid the alarm, there was a spot of good news. The number of new cases reported by Mexico's largest government hospitals has been declining the past three days, Cordova said, from 141 on Saturday to 119 on Sunday and 110 Monday.

In a bid to prevent mass contagion, Mexico canceled school nationwide until May 6, and the Mexico City government is considering a complete shutdown, including all public transportation. The Cinco de Mayo parade celebrating Mexico's defeat of a French army on May 5, 1862 and Mexico City's traditional May 1 parade were canceled. More than 100 museums nationwide were closed.

At Mexico City's international airport, families grimly waited for flights out of the capital or country, determined to keep their masks on until they touched ground somewhere else.

Three games involving Mexico City soccer clubs were played with no spectators over the weekend. Decio de Maria, secretary general of the Mexican soccer federation, said plans for future matches would be announced on Wednesday.

"The idea is to look for the fewest number of games that have to be played behind closed doors," he said. "If it's necessary, we'll play all the matches behind closed doors. We don't foresee canceling any games."

Many residents of Mexico City wore blue surgical masks, though the CDC said most masks offer little protection. Many victims have been in their 30s and 40s — not the very old or young who typically succumb to the flu. So far, no deaths from the new virus have been reported outside Mexico.

It could take four to six months before the first batch of vaccines are available, WHO officials said. Some antiflu drugs do work once someone is sick.

Napolitano, the U.S. Homeland Security chief, said Washington is dispatching people and equipment to affected areas and stepping up information-sharing at all levels of government and with other nations.

WHO spokesman Peter Cordingley singled out air travel as an easy way the virus could spread, noting that the WHO estimates that up to 500,000 people are on planes at any time.

Governments in Asia — with memories of previous flu outbreaks — were especially cautious. Singapore, Thailand, Japan, Indonesia and the Philippines dusted off thermal scanners used in the 2003 SARS crisis and were checking for signs of fever among passengers from North America. South Korea, India and Indonesia also announced screening.

Teams of doctors, nurses and government officials boarded flights arriving in Japan from Mexico, the U.S. and Canada to check passengers for signs of the flu, Japanese Health Ministry official Akimori Mizuguchi said.

World stock markets fell Tuesday as investors worried that any swine flu pandemic could derail a global economic recovery.

Treating Swine Flu

Besser said Monday people can best protect themselves against the swine flu threat by taking precautions they were taught as kids, like frequently washing their hands and covering their mouths when coughing.

He said there is no reason for Americans to begin wearing face masks as residents of some Mexican states are now doing.

There is no vaccine available to prevent the new swine flu. However, there are antiflu drugs that do work once someone is sick.

Bresser said the government is still deciding whether to order that a swine flu vaccine be produced. He said vaccine manufacture takes a long time and would interrupt ongoing work to create next winter's regular flu shot.

But if a vaccine eventually is ordered, the CDC already has taken a key preliminary step — creating what's called seed stock of the virus that manufacturers would use.

The virus appears responsive to the antiviral drugs, like Tamiflu and Relenza, which can be used to reduce the severity of the flu if used within two days of the appearance of symptoms.

Dr. Robert A. Salata, chief of the Division of Infectious Disease at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland, told FOXNews.com that the fact that the severity of the virus can be weakened by antiviral drugs is encouraging.

"This past flu season, all of the influenza type A viruses like this one, were resistant to Tamiflu," said Salata, who is also a professor at Case Western Reserve University. "These viruses appear to be sensitive to all four antiviral drugs on the market."

Roughly 12 million doses of Tamiflu will be moved from a federal stockpile to places where states can quickly get their share if they decide they need it, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said.

Salata said people should be cautious, but not panic.

"It’s our responsibility to educate people on what they’re risks are and to encourage them to try to take measures to prevent the spread of the disease," he said. "Certainly people should stay away from people who are know to be ill, practice good hand hygene, as well as good cough and sneeze etiquette."

Drugmaker Baxter International Inc. has requested the swine flu virus sample from the World Health Organization so that it can research the virus and then develop a vaccine in what the company spokesperson said is half the time, approximately 13 weeks, of normal manufacturing, which is usually 26 weeks. Baxter specializes in research and development in emerging vaccines.

masomenos
04-28-2009, 07:31 PM
Calling it the Swine Virus has really hurt the pork industry.

I imagine that it has, just like if you named some new outbreak Disney World Disease, no one would want to go there.

I'm dissapointed that it doesn't effect pigs more though, I was hoping that the swine flu could get rid of all of the pork in Washington.

Zing!

I will do my part though, risk the high cholesterol and single handidly attempt to make up for the downturn that the pork industry has faced because of this. Bacon at every meal, nay, bacon-wrapped sausages at every meal!

ABQCOWBOY
04-28-2009, 07:36 PM
I imagine that it has, just like if you named some new outbreak Disney World Disease, no one would want to go there.

I'm dissapointed that it doesn't effect pigs more though, I was hoping that the swine flu could get rid of all of the pork in Washington.

Zing!

I will do my part though, risk the high cholesterol and single handidly attempt to make up for the downturn that the pork industry has faced because of this. Bacon at every meal, nay, bacon-wrapped sausages at every meal!

:laugh2:

At the very least, have a decidedely unfavorable effect on Specter.

Oh well. Maybe we can get em next time Mas.

:)

BigWillie
04-28-2009, 07:37 PM
I really think the media is over-dramatizing this a bit. I think only 6 of the over 60 infected had to spend time in the hospital, none of which have died. The rest were able to treat the virus at home.

Again, it just sounds like a heck of a flu bug, but absolutely nothing to be worried about -- yet.

BigWillie
04-29-2009, 04:11 PM
I thought this was worth posting. While there have been over 150 reported deaths by Swine Flu, a WHO member says that number did not come from them. The WHO has only 7 confirmed deaths from Swine Flu, worldwide. I guess it would be 8 now, if that toddler did die from Swine Flu.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25403429-12377,00.html

Reports have put the likely death toll from the virus at 152, with Mexican officials confirming 20 deaths.

The number of cases under observation in Mexico alone has reportedly reached 1614.

But Vivienne Allan, from WHO's patient safety program, said the body had confirmed that worldwide there had been just seven deaths - all in Mexico - and 79 confirmed cases of the disease.

"Unfortunately that (150-plus deaths) is incorrect information and it does happen, but that's not information that's come from the World Health Organisation,'' Ms Allan said.

"That figure is not a figure that's come from the World Health Organisation and, I repeat, the death toll is seven and they are all from Mexico.''

Ms Allan said WHO had confirmed 40 cases of swine flu in the Americas, 26 in Mexico, six in Canada, two in Spain, two in the UK and three in New Zealand.

Ms Allan said it was difficult to measure how fast the virus was spreading.

She said a real concern would be if the flu virus manifested in a country where a person had had no contact with Mexico, and authorities were watching all countries for signs of that.

She said the WHO was not recommending against overseas travel, but urged those who felt sick to stay home and others to ensure they kept their hands clean.

No decision had yet been made about vaccinations.

"This virus is not airborne, it's caused by droplets ... so it's not a time for worry. It's a time to be prepared,'' Ms Allan said.

Also, Ron Paul calls BS on all this mess. Like him or hate him, he straight shoots with Americans constantly and you have to respect the man for that. His video ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-Y08qbjo

Temo
04-30-2009, 11:11 AM
There was someone confirmed to be infected just up the street from where I work in Times Square.

Of course, my seasonal allergies had to kick in these past few days so people are giving me weird looks when I'm out getting lunch sneezing into a napkin.

Edit: All-in-all, people here are not falling for the hype machine though. The woman who was infected is already better and out of the hospital, I hear.