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Kangaroo
04-29-2009, 07:51 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/24/senate-democrats-let-obamas-tax-credit-expire-budget-blueprint/

WASHINGTON -- A top Democrat in the Senate announced a budget blueprint Tuesday that would scrap Barack Obama's signature tax cut after 2010 and blends sleight of hand with modest restraint on domestic programs to cut the deficit to sustainable levels.

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., promises to reduce the deficit from a projected $1.7 trillion this year to a still-high $508 billion in 2014. But to do so, he assumes Congress will let Obama's "Making Work Pay" tax credit delivering $400 tax cuts to most workers and $800 to couples will expire at the end of next year. Those tax cuts were included in Obama's stimulus package.

Conrad, D-N.D., who has for decades sought to highlight the dangers of permanent deficits and rising government debt, produced a budget plan bristling with both -- even after proposing to require wealthier taxpayers to pay higher rates income and capital gains.

But Democrats point out that Obama inherited an unprecedented fiscal mess caused by the recession and the taxpayer-financed bailout of Wall St. Rather than retrenching, however, they still promise to award big budget increases to education and clean energy programs, while assuming Obama's plans to overhaul the U.S. health care system advance.

The White House responded warmly to Conrad's plan, noting it embraced Obama's plans to boost spending on education and clean energy programs and allow for an overhaul of the U.S. health care system while sharply cutting back the deficit inherited by Obama.

On the $400-$800 tax credits, White House budget director Peter Orszag noted that it will be in place for two years, giving the administration and Congress time to find ways to extend it.

It's also becoming clear that Obama's controversial global warming initiative has experienced a setback as neither House nor Senate Democrats are directly incorporating Obama's controversial "cap-and-trade" initiative into their budget plans. The developments come on the eve of debate in the House and Senate budget committees as they take the first steps to pass Obama's $3.6 trillion budget plan for the fiscal year starting in October.

House Budget Committee Chairman John Spratt Jr., D-S.C., will unveil his companion plan Wednesday.

Obama's budget has ignited a firestorm on Capitol Hill, with Republicans assaulting it over record spending and budget deficits, while many Democrats remain wary of his plans to combat global warming and have sticker shock over his deficit figures.

Obama is coming to appear before Senate Democrats at lunchtime Wednesday to promote his plan.

"It puts us on the path over 10 years for a very different kind of country, one with less freedom, one with more government, one with this extraordinary debt, and one which our children will have a very difficult time affording," said Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.

Conrad's plan was released in the wake of new budget estimates that predicted Obama's plan would produce alarming estimates of red ink -- $9.3 trillion over 10 years and $2.3 trillion more than estimated by the White House just last month. Those estimates made his task significantly more difficult.

"When you lose $2.3 trillion, you have to pay for things. You have to cut things," Conrad said.

Conrad said his budget makes room for Obama's hopes to deliver health care to the uninsured. He said the plan would not add to the deficit over the long haul but that early up-front costs would be permitted.

In the House, the health care overhaul could advance under special rules that could effectively cut Republicans out of the debate by preventing the possibility of a Senate filibuster. Conrad and others like Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., disagree with the approach, saying that health care is too complicated to pass after just a 20-hour debate in the Senate.

In grappling with the deficit, Conrad would cut Obama's proposed increases for next year for domestic agencies funded by lawmakers to growth of about $27 billion, or 6 percent.

But Conrad also makes several shaky assumptions, especially that Congress will raise taxes by more than $114 billion over 2013-14 to make sure middle-class taxpayers won't get hit by the alternative minimum tax. He also saves $87 billion by promising Congress will come up with spending cuts or new revenues to avoid cuts in Medicare payments to doctors.

Both problems have been fixed in recent years by using deficit dollars.

Under Congress' arcane procedures, the annual congressional budget resolution is a nonbinding measure that sets the terms for follow-up legislation.

The congressional budget plan also determines how much money to use for defense programs and domestic programs whose budgets are set each year by Congress, and it sets out the fiscal priorities of the governing party in Congress.

Obama's plan to combat global warming would impose higher energy costs on consumers and businesses through a so-called "cap-and-trade" system for auctioning permits to emit greenhouse gases. But so many Democrats have recoiled at the plan -- which would sharply raise energy costs for consumers and businesses -- that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and other environmentalists were forced to step back.

Neither budget includes Obama's $250 billion set-aside for more bailouts of banks and other firms.

ABQCOWBOY
04-29-2009, 09:49 AM
It's interesting to me how the first thing to go away was the BS Tax Cut promise that was so central to the election.

I continue to be amazed at how desperate America is for leadership.

Kangaroo
04-29-2009, 09:54 AM
It's interesting to me how the first thing to go away was the BS Tax Cut promise that was so central to the election.

I continue to be amazed at how desperate America is for leadership.

Plus they are also going to let all the Bush Tax credits expire

Look for your taxes to go way up but hey he did not raise taxes :rolleyes: on anyone making less than 250k

JBond
04-29-2009, 09:57 AM
Didn't we just add $364,000,000,000 to the federal deficit last quarter? America is desperate for leadership, I agree.

The bigger continuing problem we face in my opinion is uneducated voters. How many people that voted for Obama understand that in 10 years we are going to have a 10 trillion dollar deficit at the very least. How many of them even understand what that means? They have no comprehension how much income the government will have to confiscate from citizens just to pay the interest. I bet most of them believe the lie Obama told when he guaranteed he will cut the deficit in half.

WoodysGirl
04-29-2009, 10:00 AM
Plus they are also going to let all the Bush Tax credits expire

Look for your taxes to go way up but hey he did not raise taxes :rolleyes: on anyone making less than 250kWell from what I've read, I think the Bush Tax credits will expire for families making more than 250k. Effectively raising taxes on those by simply reinstating previous tax rates.

It will suck losing that extra $23 I'd been getting in my paycheck. It was really helping me. :rolleyes:

ShiningStar
04-29-2009, 10:01 AM
I said this before JBond, the reason he is dealing in trillions is because the average person cant comprehend that amount. Billions we have heard about, but now we are in that crazy era of obscene money being doled out and people just dont get it. They cant fathom that much money. Bill Gates making a billion, people can get that, the government in debt for a trillion is the same as gafrillion, zillion crillion million, its just unheard of and the more in plays in that bracket the more he can get away with it.

JBond
04-29-2009, 10:11 AM
Well from what I've read, I think the Bush Tax credits will expire for families making more than 250k. Effectively raising taxes on those by simply reinstating previous tax rates.

It will suck losing that extra $23 I'd been getting in my paycheck. It was really helping me. :rolleyes:

I have a question on the Bush tax cuts expiring. Do you know if Obama has clarified his position. I have heard all the cuts are going to be done away with and I have also heard just the cuts for those over the arbitrary 250k number Obama created will go up. Any idea which is correct?

heavyg
04-29-2009, 10:14 AM
Well from what I've read, I think the Bush Tax credits will expire for families making more than 250k. Effectively raising taxes on those by simply reinstating previous tax rates.

It will suck losing that extra $23 I'd been getting in my paycheck. It was really helping me. :rolleyes:

You know my pay check never saw an increase. I guess I didn't get that tax break they were talking about :mad:

WoodysGirl
04-29-2009, 10:15 AM
I have a question on the Bush tax cuts expiring. Do you know if Obama has clarified his position. I have heard all the cuts are going to be done away with and I have also heard just the cuts for those over the arbitrary 250k number Obama created will go up. Any idea which is correct?
I think initially they all were to be done away with..

Since that 250k number came about, I've consistently heard that they were going away for those over that number.

Since the election, I've only seen tidbits here and there, but there seems to be some waffling over that, as well relating to specific items.

heavyg
04-29-2009, 10:16 AM
I have a question on the Bush tax cuts expiring. Do you know if Obama has clarified his position. I have heard all the cuts are going to be done away with and I have also heard just the cuts for those over the arbitrary 250k number Obama created will go up. Any idea which is correct?

Just my opinion but I believe he will allow ALL of them to expire. He said he was going to return us to the pre-Bush taxes :eek:

JBond
04-29-2009, 10:16 AM
You know my pay check never saw an increase. I guess I didn't get that tax break they were talking about :mad:

You must be one of those evil rich guys.

heavyg
04-29-2009, 10:17 AM
You must be one of those evil rich guys.


I wish I was. I am at the VERY LOW end of what is considered middle class.

WoodysGirl
04-29-2009, 10:24 AM
Just my opinion but I believe he will allow ALL of them to expire. He said he was going to return us to the pre-Bush taxes :eek:
From the primaries...

No tax increase if earning under $250K; tax cuts under $75K
Q: Can you make an absolute, read-my-lips pledge that there will be no tax increases of any kind for anyone earning under $200,000 a year?
CLINTON: I will let the taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year go back to the rates that they were paying in the 1990s.

Q: Senator Obama, would you take the same pledge? No tax increases on people under $250,000?

OBAMA: I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I’ve been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes. We are going to offset the payroll tax, the most regressive of our taxes, so that families who are middle-income individuals making $75,000 a year or less, that they would get a tax break so that families would see up to $1,000 worth of relief.

Q: You both have now just taken this pledge on people under $250,000 and $200,000.

OBAMA: Well, it depends on how you calculate it. But it would be between $200,000 and $250,000.

Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008




http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Tax_Reform.htm

heavyg
04-29-2009, 10:28 AM
From the primaries...



http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Tax_Reform.htm

Well again I have NOT seen this tax break. And my wife and I are well under the $75,000 mark.

WoodysGirl
04-29-2009, 10:33 AM
Well again I have NOT seen this tax break. And my wife and I are well under the $75,000 mark.
Well, this make work pay thing...and what I posted was related to two different things. This is what I found.


FactCheck: Tax cut only helps 75% or workers, not 95%
Obama said his stimulus program provides a tax cut for "95% of working households" and later said that a cut would go to 95% of "working families." That calls for some explanation. The key words are "working" and "cut."
He's referring to the "making work pay" refundable tax credit, which is only available to workers. There would be no credit for retirees or those who are unemployed; a more modest 75.5% of all households would benefit, whether their members are working or not.

It is also questionable whether all of the tax refunds can properly be called "tax cuts." The credit is refundable and, therefore, is going to many who earn so little that they pay no federal income taxes in the first place. The White House calls them tax cuts, but the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office officially scores the bill's refundable credits under "direct spending."

Source: FactCheck.org on 2009 State of the Union address Feb 24, 2009

However, if you really want to know if you're supposed to get a bump in your paycheck, I suggest going to the payroll person in your HR department.

heavyg
04-29-2009, 10:54 AM
Well, this make work pay thing...and what I posted was related to two different things. This is what I found.



However, if you really want to know if you're supposed to get a bump in your paycheck, I suggest going to the payroll person in your HR department.

Obama doesn't even understand this mess. How can the HR department in this podunk town understand it.....lol Obama is just a typical politician that said what ever it took to get elected. The problem is he is a VERY Liberal Democrate and he WILL raise taxes. The "I told you so's" will be coming very soon

WoodysGirl
04-29-2009, 11:01 AM
How can the HR department in this podunk town understand it.....lol It's not that difficult to understand. They simply adjust the payroll tax assessed on your pay check. It's not like it'll be significant. Just imagine $400 spread out over the course of the year.

I work for a small company (well, I did...they just got swallowed up by the borg) and I assume the HR lady just got a head start on things.

As an aside, I just read an article that most tax credits should begin to appear in weekly paychecks this month.

heavyg
04-29-2009, 11:03 AM
It's not that difficult to understand. They simply adjust the payroll tax assessed on your pay check.

As an aside, I just read an article that most tax credits should begin to appear in weekly paychecks this month.

I work for a small company (well, I did...they just got swallowed up by the borg) and I assume the HR lady just got a head start on things.

aaah....maybe thats the case. But like you I just don't know what im going to do with that $23. Maybe I can finally put new carpet in my house :bang2: