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DFWJC
05-01-2009, 09:58 AM
A buddy of mine who has drank the koolaid and happens to be a staunch Obama fan sent me this email that describes Barry as "pathological narcissist".

I think you can ignore the last 5 paragraphs as the writer really goes off the deep end in connecting dots and assuming outcomes--almost Gore-like really.

My friend, who is black, also did not appreciate those last paragraphs. But he was a bit concerned about the core of the article. It is intriguing to say the least.

Any thoughts?

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Dr. Samual Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.


Dr. Vaknin States "I must confess I was impressed by Sen.Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."


Barack Obama is a narcissist.

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao,Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.

"Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations," says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia, a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white)grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995".

One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention.

If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.

The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others... They are simply self serving and selfish.

Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

-------note: the rest of this is partisan stuff, so proceed with filter on

Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites.

The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

Obama will set the clock back decades... America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America, and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.

ABQCOWBOY
05-01-2009, 11:11 AM
A very interesting read indeed. I agree with this person. If what most Conservatives fear most actually does take place, we are in for harsh times indeed.

BrAinPaiNt
05-01-2009, 11:14 AM
I don't know of a president, or high ranking politician, that is not a narcissist to a degree.

But if it makes people feel better about him.:laugh2:

ABQCOWBOY
05-01-2009, 11:23 AM
I don't know of a president, or high ranking politician, that is not a narcissist to a degree.

But if it makes people feel better about him.:laugh2:

Or worse.

BrAinPaiNt
05-01-2009, 11:29 AM
Or worse.

I doubt many in here can feel worse about him when some pretty much hate the man even if some don't admit it.

DFWJC
05-01-2009, 11:34 AM
For sure BP...I'd say most politicians have a little of this going on. Not sure about at this level though.

It was a bit comical that at such a young age and with so few accomplishments, Barry decided to use the funds given to him to write about race relations to instead write a book about himself and his feats.

Some of this rings true to me. He seems like someone who maybe has never been openly criticized--so when he his, he takes it very poorly. He's also so very dismissive of anyone who does not share his view. There are some Nixon qualites mixed in there too. It's just intriguing to me...and most certainly seems like narissism on steroids.

It's a regular personailty jambalaya! lol

TheCount
05-01-2009, 11:54 AM
He seems like someone who maybe has never been openly criticized--so when he his, he takes it very poorly. He's also so very dismissive of anyone who does not share his view.

You just described everyone in the political forum.

Also, you may want to be a little more careful in your wording, or one might be led to believe your friend is actually this "Dr. Sam Vaknin" or that "Dr. Sam Vaknin" wrote the article when neither is true.

It might also be worth noting that the real Dr. Sam Vaknin is not a mental health professional (meaning neither a psychologist or psychiatrist) and received his PHD (in Philosophy) from an unaccredited school (Pacific Western University).

ABQCOWBOY
05-01-2009, 11:56 AM
I doubt many in here can feel worse about him when some pretty much hate the man even if some don't admit it.

Hating somebody and fearing somebody are two different things many times.

I don't hate Obama but I do fear what his policies will eventually mean for our Country.

DFWJC
05-01-2009, 12:02 PM
You just described everyone in the political forum.

I very much disagree. Many of them have much thicker skin, as they have been criticized contantly. And as for others having a condenscending nature, I disagree with you on that too. Some do, some don't. And most certainly almost none of them wrote an autobiography while they were still in school....that's way over the top unless you've started a great company or invented the cure for something.

TheCount
05-01-2009, 12:04 PM
I very much disagree. Many of them have much thicker skin, as they have been criticized contantly. And as for others having a condenscending nature, I disagree with you on that too. Some do, some don't. And most certainly almost none of them wrote an autobiography while they were still in school....that's way over the top unless you've started a great company or invented the cure for something.

That part was a joke (based in truth), the rest of my post wasn't.

JBond
05-01-2009, 12:05 PM
I doubt many in here can feel worse about him when some pretty much hate the man even if some don't admit it.

I don't hate the man. I just hate every single thing he stands for.

DFWJC
05-01-2009, 12:05 PM
Also, you may want to be a little more careful in your wording, or one might be led to believe your friend is actually this "Dr. Sam Vaknin" or that "Dr. Sam Vaknin" wrote the article when neither is true.
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Hey, just forwarding an interesting email. I really wouldn't care if this Vaknin character was some house wife in Garland....all the points (preceeding the partisan poilitcs at the end) intrigued me. So I posted it.

Of course we know by looking it up that Dr Vaklnin is for real and has published plenty on the subject. Sounds like also someone named Ali Sina wrote on this topic in the past.

TheCount
05-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Hey, just forwarding an interesting email. I really wouldn't care if this Valnin character was some house wife in Garland....all the points (preceeding the partisan poilitcs at the end) intrigued me. So I posted it.

Obviously.

DFWJC
05-01-2009, 12:23 PM
I don't know of a president, or high ranking politician, that is not a narcissist to a degree.

But if it makes people feel better about him.:laugh2:
:rolleyes: Nice one

here's more on the topic. see if anything sounds familair.
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As Johnson and Vaknin and others (http://darkskies1.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/narcissistic-personality-disorder-health-personality-disorder/) have already pointed out, the traits she hints at would alert a psychologist to the likelihood of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), whose symptoms (http://dslweb.nwnexus.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html) include


An exaggerated sense of self-importance; exaggerates achievements and talents; expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements
Need for excessive admiration
A sense of entitlement
Selfishness; taking advantage of others to achieve own ends
Lack of empathy
Arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behavior or attitudes.It is important to realize that NPD is much more dangerous than simple vanity. Even closer to Dowd's precocious-child model is Joanna Ashmun's description (http://dslweb.nwnexus.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html) of NPD:


"Narcissists have normal, even superior, intellectual development while remaining emotionally and morally immature. Dealing with them can give you the sense of trying to have a reasonable discussion with a very clever six-year-old -- this is an age when normal children are grandiose and exhibitionistic, when they are very resistant to taking the blame for their own misbehavior, when they understand what the rules are (e.g., that lying, cheating, and stealing are prohibited) but are still trying to wriggle out of accepting those rules for themselves."

BrAinPaiNt
05-01-2009, 01:10 PM
:rolleyes: Nice one

here's more on the topic. see if anything sounds familair.
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As Johnson and Vaknin and others (http://darkskies1.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/narcissistic-personality-disorder-health-personality-disorder/) have already pointed out, the traits she hints at would alert a psychologist to the likelihood of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), whose symptoms (http://dslweb.nwnexus.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html) include


An exaggerated sense of self-importance; exaggerates achievements and talents; expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements
Need for excessive admiration
A sense of entitlement
Selfishness; taking advantage of others to achieve own ends
Lack of empathy
Arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behavior or attitudes.It is important to realize that NPD is much more dangerous than simple vanity. Even closer to Dowd's precocious-child model is Joanna Ashmun's description (http://dslweb.nwnexus.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html) of NPD:


"Narcissists have normal, even superior, intellectual development while remaining emotionally and morally immature. Dealing with them can give you the sense of trying to have a reasonable discussion with a very clever six-year-old -- this is an age when normal children are grandiose and exhibitionistic, when they are very resistant to taking the blame for their own misbehavior, when they understand what the rules are (e.g., that lying, cheating, and stealing are prohibited) but are still trying to wriggle out of accepting those rules for themselves."


Yes...sounds like W and Cheney and Clinton (bill or hillary) and Newt and Pelosi and the list can go on and on.


But you just keep on believing that only Obama and dems are this way because it better suits your bias.

DFWJC
05-01-2009, 01:14 PM
Yes...sounds like W and Cheney and Clinton (bill or hillary) and Newt and Pelosi and the list can go on and on.


But you just keep on believing that only Obama and dems are this way because it better suits your bias.

I asked if it sounds familiar and you answered. That's your take. Your second sentence was unnecessary.

Did I say this ommitted anyone else? No. So don't assume bias on my part...I'm Independent all the way. I think the only other person I mentioned was Nixon...last I recall he was not a Dem.

JBond
05-01-2009, 01:16 PM
Yes...sounds like W and Cheney and Clinton (bill or hillary) and Newt and Pelosi and the list can go on and on.


But you just keep on believing that only Obama and dems are this way because it better suits your bias.

Lets not leave out Ron Paul and the other nuts. Just because they can't get any support does no exclude them from having NPD.

DFWJC
05-01-2009, 01:27 PM
Here's another depiction

It is important to realize that NPD is much more dangerous than simple vanity. Even closer to Dowd's precocious-child model is Joanna Ashmun's description of NPD:


"Narcissists have normal, even superior, intellectual development while remaining emotionally and morally immature. Dealing with them can give you the sense of trying to have a reasonable discussion with a very clever six-year-old -- this is an age when normal children are grandiose and exhibitionistic, when they are very resistant to taking the blame for their own misbehavior, when they understand what the rules are (e.g., that lying, cheating, and stealing are prohibited) but are still trying to wriggle out of accepting those rules for themselves."

BrAinPaiNt
05-01-2009, 02:21 PM
Lets not leave out Ron Paul and the other nuts. Just because they can't get any support does no exclude them from having NPD.

I said most politicians...that can include...most politicians. :laugh2:

ConcordCowboy
05-01-2009, 02:32 PM
I said most politicians...that can include...most politicians. :laugh2:

:laugh2:

MetalHead
05-01-2009, 03:15 PM
I don't hate the man. I just hate every single thing he stands for.

Same here.
The man's plans for America are down right scary.
Take him seriously when he says he will rebuild America....he means it.
To bad all the clowns that fell for his act did not know what he meant when he talked "change".

tyke1doe
05-01-2009, 05:22 PM
Yes...sounds like W and Cheney and Clinton (bill or hillary) and Newt and Pelosi and the list can go on and on.


But you just keep on believing that only Obama and dems are this way because it better suits your bias.

:lmao:

You're so right.

One must have an enormous ego to run for president. Trying to read some unique narcissism in Obama's personality is silly.

silverbear
05-02-2009, 01:40 AM
I doubt many in here can feel worse about him when some pretty much hate the man even if some don't admit it.

The irrational hatred of the man drips from this forum...

About the only thing he hasn't been accused of in here is being a serial molester of collies...

He's a narcissist...

He's a radical socialist...

He's a fascist... never mind that fascism and socialism are political opposites, he's both, by Gawd...

He's the Manchurian Candidate...

He's an Arab... for sure, he's not an American citizen...

He has a 6-6-6 birthmark on his scalp...

His diet consists entirely of late term abortions...

And he's sneaky clever, even with all these OBVIOUS defects, he got most of America to vote for him...

Damn him to hell... we're all DOOMED!!!

silverbear
05-02-2009, 01:46 AM
Lack of empathy

A big reason Obama got elected was because people saw him as empathetic... they thought he understood their needs, their concerns, and would do something about them...

It was actually the Republican party they saw as being out of touch with their needs, as being less than empathetic...

silverbear
05-02-2009, 02:05 AM
A little research on Dr. Samual Vaknin (sic) reveals this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/vaknin.asp

For some reason, Snopes won't let you copy and past, so I'll summarize... you can follow the link to the article being synposized here...

First off, SAMUEL Vaknin did not write that article, a guy named Ali Sina did... second, Dr. Vaknin freely admits he's not a mental health professional, and thus is completely unqualified to diagnose NPD...

Now, about Ali Sina... that's a PSEUDONYM, for a man who is an ex-Iranian Muslim currently living in Canada... ol' Ali now hates Islam with a passion, and has created a website called Faith Freedom International...

I see nothing in his credentials that suggest he's qualified to diagnose NPD either...

So basically, we have an article written by an anonymous coward, unwilling to affix his real name to his writings, with no training or ability to recognize or define Narcissistic Personality Disorder... and we have a foreword to that piece of garbage by a man who claims a PhD, from a non-accredited university, who also admits that he's not a mental health professional, and thus unqualified to diagnose NPD...

But I'm sure lots of arch-conservatives are lapping this crapola up with a spoon... ROTFLMAO...

theogt
05-02-2009, 02:09 AM
File this under the "duh" category. Anyone that runs for president has to be a narcissist.

silverbear
05-02-2009, 02:10 AM
Here's another depiction

It is important to realize that NPD is much more dangerous than simple vanity. Even closer to Dowd's precocious-child model is Joanna Ashmun's description of NPD:


"Narcissists have normal, even superior, intellectual development while remaining emotionally and morally immature.

You can level lots of criticisms at Obama, but being "emotionally immature" is not one of them... on the contrary, he is calm and collected in the face of crisis, in the face of hostility... it is his reflective nature that strikes me the most, his caution, his reluctance to offer a knee-jerk opinion without first studying the subject...

This strikes me as emotional maturity... as for moral immaturity, the man is striving mightily to correct the moral wrongs our country has committed the past 8 years, even going so far as apologizing to the wronged parties... that sounds pretty morally mature to me, too... I mean, the ability to recognize when you've done wrong, and the attempt to make amends for those wrongs...

Indeed, it's the right, which steadfastly refuses to admit that we could do wrong, that we could EVER do wrong, who are the emotionally immature ones... they are predictably outraged by the things Obama is trying to do to get us back to being a moral and ethical nation again...

silverbear
05-02-2009, 02:12 AM
Same here.

Oh, you hate Obama... there isn't a poster in here, regardless of his or her political affiliation, who would deny that...

So now we know that you're not a paragon of honesty, along with your assorted other personality defects...