isnt it a shame

[CowboyChris]

lets look at the superstars in this league.

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Moss
Owens
Harrrison

and some others, you guys get the point.

isnt it a shame that "The Dallas Cowboys" dont have a superstar among any of them? please dont argue R Williams or Newman, how many games have they won us? you can make an argument that Julius & Witten could be one for the future. but its pretty simple why we havent won a playoff game since 96, its cause we just dont have any superstars! and now more than ever we still dont have a QB, a legit star WR, or a star DE, and it can be argued we dont have a star CB either. your thoughts, this proud franchise just doesnt have any superstars especially at the skill positions

[Novacek84]

Right on and that's why we're 5-8.

[Portland Fanatic]

lets look at the superstars in this league.

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Moss
Owens
Harrrison

and some others, you guys get the point.

isnt it a shame that "The Dallas Cowboys" dont have a superstar among any of them? please dont argue R Williams or Newman, how many games have they won us? you can make an argument that Julius & Witten could be one for the future. but its pretty simple why we havent won a playoff game since 96, its cause we just dont have any superstars! and now more than ever we still dont have a QB, a legit star WR, or a star DE, and it can be argued we dont have a star CB either. your thoughts, this proud franchise just doesnt have any superstars especially at the skill positions
I'd rather have a very good team all on the same page...see Patriots...then one or two superstars...see Olympic basketball team...

[GTaylor]

lets look at the superstars in this league.

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Moss
Owens
Harrrison

and some others, you guys get the point.

isnt it a shame that "The Dallas Cowboys" dont have a superstar among any of them? please dont argue R Williams or Newman, how many games have they won us? you can make an argument that Julius & Witten could be one for the future. but its pretty simple why we havent won a playoff game since 96, its cause we just dont have any superstars! and now more than ever we still dont have a QB, a legit star WR, or a star DE, and it can be argued we dont have a star CB either. your thoughts, this proud franchise just doesnt have any superstars especially at the skill positions
Deion Sanders
Darren Woodson
Troy Aikman
Emmitt Smith
Daryl Johnson

We lost a game in 98 and 99 with the above "stars", New England showed you don't need stars, just a complete team. That's the reason why Minnesota loses in the playoffs, same with Philly, etc.

[CowboyChris]

i might add for the longest time, we didnt have coach worth a damn either.

[Portland Fanatic]

Right on and that's why we're 5-8.

Uhhhh...no it's not.

[Kittymama]

Well, look at your list, & then look at the number of years they've been playing in the league. I also see that only 2 of them have been to the Super Bowl. Moss has never even been within sniffing distance of the Super Bowl. I'll bet money that Peyton & Moss never get to the Super Bowl.

You're correct that we don't have superstars on the team now. However, it's just possible that Witten, Julius, maybe Roy, could well become superstars in a few years--they're young & just starting out, so let's give them time to develop. You don't become a superstar in a year or two (ok, Brady may be the unusual exception to that).

[Jimz31]

lets look at the superstars in this league.

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Moss
Owens
Harrrison

and some others, you guys get the point.

isnt it a shame that "The Dallas Cowboys" dont have a superstar among any of them? please dont argue R Williams or Newman, how many games have they won us? you can make an argument that Julius & Witten could be one for the future. but its pretty simple why we havent won a playoff game since 96, its cause we just dont have any superstars! and now more than ever we still dont have a QB, a legit star WR, or a star DE, and it can be argued we dont have a star CB either. your thoughts, this proud franchise just doesnt have any superstars especially at the skill positions

Peyton Manning....don't be surprised if he NEVER wins a Superbowl.

[Kittymama]

Peyton Manning....don't be surprised if he NEVER wins a Superbowl.
Not only won't I be surprised--I'm predicting it! A sports reporter the other day was saying that while Marino is probably the greatest QB to never win a Super Bowl, Manning could be the greatest QB to never GET to the Super Bowl. He'll have tons of records, but I predict he never gets that ring. Too bad for Dungy, tho--I really like the guy & think he's a class coach.

[Eddie]

Not only won't I be surprised--I'm predicting it! A sports reporter the other day was saying that while Marino is probably the greatest QB to never win a Super Bowl, Manning could be the greatest QB to never GET to the Super Bowl. He'll have tons of records, but I predict he never gets that ring. Too bad for Dungy, tho--I really like the guy & think he's a class coach.


Would you attribute all of Peyton's passing records this year on the new "hands-off" rules on DB's???

[Jimz31]

Not only won't I be surprised--I'm predicting it! A sports reporter the other day was saying that while Marino is probably the greatest QB to never win a Super Bowl, Manning could be the greatest QB to never GET to the Super Bowl. He'll have tons of records, but I predict he never gets that ring. Too bad for Dungy, tho--I really like the guy & think he's a class coach.

It's prertty much the organizations fault.....Manning isn't totally blameless, either.

Throwing that much money at THREE positions is their doom.

[Doomsday101]

Peyton Manning....don't be surprised if he NEVER wins a Superbowl.

Don't tell me that I have already layed money down that the Colts will make it to the SB. LOL

[Eddie]

It's prertty much the organizations fault.....Manning isn't totally blameless, either.

Throwing that much money at THREE positions is their doom.


That's what people have been saying for years. But the Colts will still be competitive. Heck, the salary cap is being raised another $5 mil next year ... it's gonna be $79 mil.

Compare that to 2000 when it was only $50 mil. The Colts can afford to keep their guns and continue to be competitive.

[Jimz31]

Don't tell me that I have already layed money down that the Colts will make it to the SB. LOL

If you really did.....Oops. :D

[Kittymama]

It's prertty much the organizations fault.....Manning isn't totally blameless, either.

Throwing that much money at THREE positions is their doom.

Yes, that's why he was saying that. Peyton's contract to begin with was idiotic (can you imagine how much the Falcons are going to have to pay Vick when HIS comes up?!?!). But then to throw additional huge wads of cash at the others will absolutely ruin their D. Who among their D with any ability is going to stay? They'll all be leaving as soon as they hit FA to get their own shot at some money. It does make for entertaining games & puts butts in the seats, I guess, but that's about all Indy fans are going to get--lots of pretty stats.

[Quicksilver]

Well, look at your list, & then look at the number of years they've been playing in the league. I also see that only 2 of them have been to the Super Bowl. Moss has never even been within sniffing distance of the Super Bowl. I'll bet money that Peyton & Moss never get to the Super Bowl.

You're correct that we don't have superstars on the team now. However, it's just possible that Witten, Julius, maybe Roy, could well become superstars in a few years--they're young & just starting out, so let's give them time to develop. You don't become a superstar in a year or two (ok, Brady may be the unusual exception to that).

That may be the case Kitty, Kitty, Kitty... but I'll take my chances with Manning on this team any day.

This team is void of playmakers. Not flamboyant superstars like Deion or Moss or TO, but game changing playmakers.

[Doomsday101]

If you really did.....Oops. :D

Can't help myself I like Manning and think the colts will just outscore the other teams in the AFC to make it to the show. Either way I think the AFC matchup will make for some exciting playoff football. Not sure we can say the same about the NFC playoffs.

[Kittymama]

Can't help myself I like Manning and think the colts will just outscore the other teams in the AFC to make it to the show. Either way I think the AFC matchup will make for some exciting playoff football. Not sure we can say the same about the NFC playoffs.

Oh there's no question that Manning is entertaining. AFC shootouts certainly beat most of what we're seeing in the NFC most of the time. (Altho I guess I'm a defensive purist, because I still love a defensive slugout that ends up with a 9-6 score. Then throw in an open stadium, some cold & mud...sigh.)

[Doomsday101]

Oh there's no question that Manning is entertaining. AFC shootouts certainly beat most of what we're seeing in the NFC most of the time. (Altho I guess I'm a defensive purist, because I still love a defensive slugout that ends up with a 9-6 score. Then throw in an open stadium, some cold & mud...sigh.)

I enjoy a good defensive game as long as it is because the defenses are so good not because the offenses are so bad.

[Eddie]

Well, think about the reason why we have no real stars in this team ... 10 years of pathetic drafting and FA moves can really do that to a franchise.

[Tuna Helper]

lets look at the superstars in this league.

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Moss
Owens
Harrrison

and some others, you guys get the point.

isnt it a shame that "The Dallas Cowboys" dont have a superstar among any of them? please dont argue R Williams or Newman, how many games have they won us? you can make an argument that Julius & Witten could be one for the future. but its pretty simple why we havent won a playoff game since 96, its cause we just dont have any superstars! and now more than ever we still dont have a QB, a legit star WR, or a star DE, and it can be argued we dont have a star CB either. your thoughts, this proud franchise just doesnt have any superstars especially at the skill positions

But there is a flaw in your logic. Only one player above has hoisted a Lombardi Trophy. It does not take superstars to win Super Bowls. Tom Brady was not considered a superstar in 2001 when he led the Pats to their first SB.

I'll take Lombardi Trophies over superstars anyday.

[diehard2294]

Would you attribute all of Peyton's passing records this year on the new "hands-off" rules on DB's???yes, but he also has a quick release and a great understanding of the game. Too bad he has to go play in cold weather again this year :eek:

[TooStupid]

Not only won't I be surprised--I'm predicting it! A sports reporter the other day was saying that while Marino is probably the greatest QB to never win a Super Bowl, Manning could be the greatest QB to never GET to the Super Bowl. He'll have tons of records, but I predict he never gets that ring. Too bad for Dungy, tho--I really like the guy & think he's a class coach. You Know it's not his fault. Too much money invested in the offense. Too many slow, shaky, no names on Defense. We all know Defense wins games in January

[mr.jameswoods]

lets look at the superstars in this league.

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Moss
Owens
Harrrison

and some others, you guys get the point.

isnt it a shame that "The Dallas Cowboys" dont have a superstar among any of them? please dont argue R Williams or Newman, how many games have they won us? you can make an argument that Julius & Witten could be one for the future. but its pretty simple why we havent won a playoff game since 96, its cause we just dont have any superstars! and now more than ever we still dont have a QB, a legit star WR, or a star DE, and it can be argued we dont have a star CB either. your thoughts, this proud franchise just doesnt have any superstars especially at the skill positions


Tom Brady is a star? That's news to me. He is the most unerrated QB in the NFL and one of the best but I didn't know he was a superstar. I guess winning does that.

Moral of the story: Just win and the media will locate stars on your team

[DipChit]

It does not take superstars to win Super Bowls. Tom Brady was not considered a superstar in 2001 when he led the Pats to their first SB.


Makes sense. We didnt win 3 SB's because of Aikman, Smith and Irvin.. but instead because of the other 50 guys.

Apparently thats true because while those 3 didnt leave, many of the other 50 did. And then we were left going 6-10 to 10-6 (and getting bounced quick in the Playoffs, if we made them at all).. never any better. Not like those 3 were old or anything in '96, '97 and '98.

[Banned_n_austin]

Not only won't I be surprised--I'm predicting it! A sports reporter the other day was saying that while Marino is probably the greatest QB to never win a Super Bowl, Manning could be the greatest QB to never GET to the Super Bowl. He'll have tons of records, but I predict he never gets that ring. Too bad for Dungy, tho--I really like the guy & think he's a class coach.


My my. . .

Forever is such a long time. . .

[Wolverine]

My my. . .

Forever is such a long time. . .


Your such a genius. Wow.

[Big D]

Originally Posted by Eddie
Would you attribute all of Peyton's passing records this year on the new "hands-off" rules on DB's???

Yes the new DB rule has definately helped Peyton and that is why I believe the colts WILL win the superbowl this yr. Every year it seems as though the nfl tries to put in a rule change to help defeat the current champion and this is whats going on with this new DB 'no hands' rule.

Ty law and th NE cb's were mauling M Harrison and company last year Just like our own Irvin used to maul dbacks, and a rule was put in place to stop it.

I also think that this new rule is the reason why TNew is not a 'star' this season. The new rule completely sucks. Having said that, If I was a coach I would go deep 6 to 8 times per game as I'm sure the flag would show up 60-70% of the time. Easy money!

:iggles: :iggles: :iggles:

[Dave_in-NC]

The Cowboys need a GM. We can all complain about the coach and the players, but the GM in this franchise has and is the real problem.

Great OWNER, lousy GM.