Tucker finally benched

[dbair1967]

the human turnstyle is finally pined...Vollers starting but Rogers will play...

Parcells to shuffle offensive line

Tucker to sit as Vollers gets nod at tackle; Rogers to see action


12:12 AM CST on Friday, December 17, 2004


By JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR / The Dallas Morning News

IRVING – After Sunday's 27-13 loss to New Orleans, coach Bill Parcells vowed there would be changes.

The first is apparently going to occur at right tackle.

Three sources said Torrin Tucker, who started the first 13 games, would be benched after giving up two sacks against the Saints.

Three-year veteran Kurt Vollers, who started nine games last season, will start in his place, sources said. The sources said Vollers has practiced with the starters during team drills each of the last two days.

Parcells said he expects rookie Jacob Rogers, who has been deactivated or did not play each of the past 11 games, to play against Philadelphia

Tucker, who signed with the club as an undrafted free agent before last season, has been inconsistent much of the season.

At 6-6 and 329 pounds, he is massive and strong enough to keep defensive ends such as Michael Strahan from bull-rushing him.

But he lacks athleticism and when he is beaten at the line of scrimmage, Tucker isn't nimble enough to recover and put himself in position and still make a block.

Vollers, 6-7 and 317 pounds, is a solid player who is more technically sound than Tucker. He's not as physically strong as Tucker, but he makes few mental mistakes and is athletic enough to make blocks in space on screen passes or draw plays.

Parcells, who admitted he was contemplating changes to the starting lineup earlier this week, said he remains focused on winning the last three games of this season – not preparing for 2005.

"I can't say I have never thought about next year, but that is not the focus of my attention at this moment," Parcells said. "I am focusing on trying to get the team ready for Philadelphia.

"We've got three games to go. I don't see what all the talk about next season is all about. It seems everybody around here has decided the season is over. I don't think like that."

Optimistic coach: The Cowboys (5- have lost seven games by at least 10 points, allowed 35 points or more four times and have one of the NFL's worst turnover ratios (-16).

But coach Bill Parcells said Thursday the Cowboys can improve quickly.

"I don't feel like the team is light years away from being competitive," he said. "I might have to try to alter some of the characters involved, but it's not like certain aspects of the team are not competitive – some at a very high level. I just don't feel like we're going to have to make wholesale changes."

Still, Parcells admitted he doesn't know who will be the starting quarterback next September. It could be Vinny Testaverde. Or Drew Henson. Or Tony Romo. Or someone else.

"Now, when you talk about maybe integrating a new stating quarterback – I've said it to Jerry [Jones] and the people in the organization – the most important thing is who you surround your quarterback with," Parcells said. "What are you going to put around the guy playing quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys? When you put a good thing around Ben Roethlisberger you see what can happen. When you don't put a good thing around whoever is playing quarterback, then he's not going to show up."

Briefly: Bill Parcells said punter Mat McBriar and backup quarterback Tony Romo will work at holder since Drew Henson will be inactive this week. Romo held in five games this season. ... Linebacker Al Singleton (abdominal strain) did not practice for the second straight day, increasing the odds that Scott Shanle will start. ... The Cowboys worked in pads for the second consecutive day.

[Eskimo]

Finally BP has woken up and smelled the coffee. The fact that Tucker is a horrible turnstile was obvious since the first game of the season when Udeze was running around him like a pylon in the 4th quarter.

I really do wonder about the intelligence of our coaches sometimes.

Vollers should be a definite improvement in the passing game. I don't think he is much of a run blocker.

Hopefully we'll get to see some of Rogers. It's a harsh intro to the NFL having to go up against Kearse.

[Yeagermeister]

Gurode needs to be benched also

:iggles:

[Eskimo]

Gurode needs to be benched also

:iggles:

Well, the unfortunate part is that we don't got anyone better to play in place of Gurode. Walter has shown that he isn't strong enough to last at OG for extended periods. Peterman is on the IR. Maybe now that the Tucker OT experiment has failed he can compete with Gurode for the ORG spot in camp next year.

[dbair1967]

Gurode needs to be benched also

:iggles:

Gurode hasnt been great, but most of the games he has played ok IMO...he certainly hadnt been the weaklink that Tucker had been...Tucker should have been benched a LONG time ago, in fact I'm not sure what Tucker did in preseason to even warrant winning the job...more Parcells favoritism at work there

David

[Chocolate Lab]

From what Parcells said today, Gurode is getting benched.

[dbair1967]

From what Parcells said today, Gurode is getting benched.

wonder if that means Walter, Lehr or the Noll guy? Maybe a combination of them all...who knows

David

[Chocolate Lab]

wonder if that means Walter, Lehr or the Noll guy? Maybe a combination of them all...who knows

David
He mentioned Walter and Noll by name... No mention of Lehr. I think Matt is as good as gone already.

[dbair1967]

He mentioned Walter and Noll by name... No mention of Lehr. I think Matt is as good as gone already.

he had said when we got Noll he really liked him, course that doesnt mean much...he likes Richie Anderson, Torrin Tucker and Dedric ward too...and they all suck

David

[Dough Boy]

:banghead: Well, the unfortunate part is that we don't got anyone better to play in place of Gurode. Walter has shown that he isn't strong enough to last at OG for extended periods. Peterman is on the IR. Maybe now that the Tucker OT experiment has failed he can compete with Gurode for the ORG spot in camp next year.

Analysis

Positives: Has a wide body with thick legs and calves and very long arms...Compensates for slow feet with excellent hand usage and raw power to easily sustain blocks and ride the defender wide...Highly competitive athlete with a very aggressive nature...Comes off the snap with suddenness in his moves, using his kick slide to get out in front quickly when working in space...Has a very powerful hand punch to neutralize and control the defender...Has a wide leg base and good anchor which makes it difficult to knock him off stride (when he keeps his head up)...His leg drive allows him to gain leverage and cave in the defensive line...Anchors with strength and is fluid retreating in pass protection...Pulls and finds a target to hit in the second level with consistency...Can play both guard positions, but appears more comfortable on the left side, sinking his hips better to get explosion off the snap...Consistently works to finish, showing proper knee bend as he sinks his hips and extends his arms to make blocking adjustments on the move.


Negatives: Needs time to digest the play book, but once he does, he dominates...Gets a little overaggressive at times, resulting in unnecessary penalties...Tends to put his head down when moving into the second level, preventing him from effectively searching out his target...When his head is down, he can be jolted back by the bull rush, as he fails to maintain balance...More consistent as a drive blocker, as he is slow at times to pick up twists, stunts and blitzes (fails to recognize)...Has heavy feet, which poses problems when redirecting.

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He should have never been projected to tackle. Under his strengths, he has slow feet. No wonder he couldn't stop a speed rusher. It is not his fault that this staff set him up for failure. This guy was the 40th ranked player on CBS Sports Line draft profile. I think he may have some value at Guard where his opponent a DT is not as fast as a DE. If this guy could be a could gurard, I sure hope we explore this before he becomes the next Ron Stone. I know some of you will say is was an undrafted free agent, but so was Priest Holmes. I'm not saying this guy is going to be as good as anyone. I'm just hoping that the coaching staff will ask players to do things within there strengths. Slow feet and we put him at tackle. Come on...

[Maikeru-sama]

Very interesting, I am very close to calling Mr. Rogers a bust!!!

Unfortunately, these changes are too little too late, as I am already writing my "Season in Review" article :) :eek:

- Mike G.

[dbair1967]

Very interesting, I am very close to calling Mr. Rogers a bust!!!

Unfortunately, these changes are too little too late, as I am already writing my "Season in Review" article :) :eek:

- Mike G.

I think maybe its time to consider the decision maker a bust...Parcells has turned out to be a big disappointment IMO

David

[Maikeru-sama]

LOL

- Mike G.

[Bobo]

Why have so many said Rogers is a bust? :confused:

[Kangaroo]

Come on he is a rookie for crissake quit screaming bust becuase he had not play I heard the same crap about J Jones after he was injured. Typical fan over reaction the rookie strugges with the adjustment to the speed and str of the NFL so he is a bust :banghead: . Please it takes time and if you want to bench Groude move Tucker inside to RG where he is a better fit. Tucker was a guard in college and was moved to RT. Tucker is a young raw olinemen he is not the turnstyle you make him out to be he has had some very nice games he just struggles at time on the speed rushers and his footwork getting the deep drop back yes he has been horibly incositent but he is also playing out of poistion.

Tucker is better suited for inside play and would play well at RG imo

[Common Sense]

he had said when we got Noll he really liked him, course that doesnt mean much...he likes Richie Anderson, Torrin Tucker and Dedric ward too...and they all suck

David

Please, Richie Anderson should have made the Pro Bowl last year and is a good locker room guy. Tucker's getting benched. Ward has been inactive for most of the season.

Stop trying to make complaints that aren't even there.

[Maikeru-sama]

Well, I have not yet declared Jacob Rogers a bust as of yet, but I am tempted too. As you know, he made his living in college as a Left Tackle, and a transition to Right Tackle plus learning to play in the NFL can be very tough.

But....

Jacob Rogers is a second round pick. Parcells expected him to compete for a job at right tackle, numerous articles, including one by JJT talked about the million dollar bonus he was given, that further shows they expected this guy to be a player. Torrin Tuckers has not made Bill Parcells very happy. Rogers is a second round pick and in my opinion, he should be able to beat out an Undrafted Free Agent, which Tucker is. Heck, Drew Henson, a guy that has not played football in three years and playing the toughest and most valuable position on the field was even able to get on the field at one point.

Rogers cannot even get on the field when the games dont even matter anymore, something tells me things are not right with him.

The only positives I can think of...

1. Rogers is just not ready yet and Parcells has not given up on him.
2. They may be thinking about moving Rogers back to Left Tackle. Thus moving Flozell Adams to Right Tackle, which he played in college. Adams in deaf in his right ear, many thought the only position he would be able to play was Right Tackle because he would have trouble hearing the snap count.

Right now, I see a second round draft pick that cannot get on the field, he just cant...

- Mike G.

[Portland Fanatic]

Well, I have not yet declared Jacob Rogers a bust as of yet, but I am tempted too. As you know, he made his living in college as a Left Tackle, and a transition to Right Tackle plus learning to play in the NFL can be very tough.

But....

Jacob Rogers is a second round pick. Parcells expected him to compete for a job at right tackle, numerous articles, including one by JJT talked about the million dollar bonus he was given, that further shows they expected this guy to be a player. Torrin Tuckers has not made Bill Parcells very happy. Rogers is a second round pick and in my opinion, he should be able to beat out an Undrafted Free Agent, which Tucker is. Heck, Drew Henson, a guy that has not played football in three years and playing the toughest and most valuable position on the field was even able to get on the field at one point.

Rogers cannot even get on the field when the games dont even matter anymore, something tells me things are not right with him.

The only positives I can think of...

1. Rogers is just not ready yet and Parcells has not given up on him.
2. They may be thinking about moving Rogers back to Left Tackle. Thus moving Flozell Adams to Right Tackle, which he played in college. Adams in deaf in his right ear, many thought the only position he would be able to play was Right Tackle because he would have trouble hearing the snap count.

Right now, I see a second round draft pick that cannot get on the field, he just cant...

- Mike G.
I have to admit I'm a little concerned myself....certainly do not want to call anyone a bust when they have not even seen the field yet...but your points about not beating Tuck out are disconcerting....

I actually hope you are right about Flo moving to the right...he'd be a dominate run blocker over there....

[Eskimo]

Well, I have not yet declared Jacob Rogers a bust as of yet, but I am tempted too.

If you go back and look at the preseason film, you will see that Rogers has got an ideal frame for OT with good height and long arms. He also has excellent feet and these were on display in preseason. What he lacks is the typical strength and girth of a RT.

I think this guy will be a good player and will transition over to LT with Flo moving over to RT. It is in both of their interests as they will both be better players because of it.

The real bust is Warhop who keeps on playing players out of position - Tucker at tackle and Rogers at RT.

[Hostile]

Why have so many said Rogers is a bust? :confused:I think it has to do with his inability to crack the lineup over a guy who has been rather poor. People tend to expect bette rof a 2nd round draft pick.

[Maikeru-sama]

Yes, Rogers is a bit undersized (his profile even mentions this) to try to move the pile on the right size. I never saw him play in college, but the one thing I can tell you is that the left side is no picknick eitehr.

BTW, both Strahan and Kearse play left end....

- Mike G.

[Maikeru-sama]

LOL, sup Hos!!!

BTW, anybody else think the word "Peace" in old Hos's signature is another way of giving those who dare argue with him the virtual "middle finger" :eek: :D ?

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, I have not yet declared Jacob Rogers a bust as of yet, but I am tempted too. As you know, he made his living in college as a Left Tackle, and a transition to Right Tackle plus learning to play in the NFL can be very tough.

But....

Jacob Rogers is a second round pick. Parcells expected him to compete for a job at right tackle, numerous articles, including one by JJT talked about the million dollar bonus he was given, that further shows they expected this guy to be a player. Torrin Tuckers has not made Bill Parcells very happy. Rogers is a second round pick and in my opinion, he should be able to beat out an Undrafted Free Agent, which Tucker is. Heck, Drew Henson, a guy that has not played football in three years and playing the toughest and most valuable position on the field was even able to get on the field at one point.

Rogers cannot even get on the field when the games dont even matter anymore, something tells me things are not right with him.

The only positives I can think of...

1. Rogers is just not ready yet and Parcells has not given up on him.
2. They may be thinking about moving Rogers back to Left Tackle. Thus moving Flozell Adams to Right Tackle, which he played in college. Adams in deaf in his right ear, many thought the only position he would be able to play was Right Tackle because he would have trouble hearing the snap count.

Right now, I see a second round draft pick that cannot get on the field, he just cant...

- Mike G.

What if there is one other option, and that is that Rogers plays and plays very well once he gets in, but Parcells has been too slow to give him a chance?

I have no idea why Bill sticks with certain guys for so long, but sometimes he does.

Of course, Rogers might just really stink. :D Just throwing something out there. But honestly, I thought Rogers was pretty good in preseason when he did get to play.

[Hostile]

LOL, sup Hos!!!

BTW, anybody else think the word "Peace" in old Hos's signature is another way of giving those who dare argue with him the virtual "middle finger" !:eek: :D ?Hey Mick.

Peace is my favorite word in the world. I like it even better in Spanish..paz.

I like it when people argue with me. Gets my blood pumping and I can :storm: on their parades.

[Bobo]

Ok, so maybe Rogers really should be playing LT, and I can see how it could be a better scenario for Flo to be on the right. Maybe that's in Bill's mind, and that may be why he hasn't given him a shot at RT yet. But Bill said he was going to play Rogers, until he got hurt in practice, right?

Then again, Bill's been making many questionable decisions, I'm just kinda suprised people would be talking bust instead of questioning BP. Maybe there has been the questioning of BP as far as the Rogers situation, maybe I missed it.

Mick, I just don't see how you or anyone could be "very close" to calling him a bust with all we know. I think you need a few years to really call someone a bust. This board is very critical of things, sometimes making people a little trigger happy? TNEW wasn't a bust last year.....but....

BTW, Kearse plays either side....but he's always on the "wrong" side :iggles:

[BadKarma]

Hey Mick.

Peace is my favorite word in the world. I like it even better in Spanish..paz.

I like it when people argue with me. Gets my blood pumping and I can :storm: on their parades.

Hos, I just noticed that sig of yours - is that Nor's tin cup in the cabinet? LOL ....nicely done!

[dbair1967]

Please, Richie Anderson should have made the Pro Bowl last year and is a good locker room guy. Tucker's getting benched. Ward has been inactive for most of the season.

Stop trying to make complaints that aren't even there.

last yr is last yr...this yr is all I care about right now, and he's been lousy...

David

[Maikeru-sama]

Ok, so maybe Rogers really should be playing LT, and I can see how it could be a better scenario for Flo to be on the right. Maybe that's in Bill's mind, and that may be why he hasn't given him a shot at RT yet. But Bill said he was going to play Rogers, until he got hurt in practice, right?

Then again, Bill's been making many questionable decisions, I'm just kinda suprised people would be talking bust instead of questioning BP. Maybe there has been the questioning of BP as far as the Rogers situation, maybe I missed it.

Mick, I just don't see how you or anyone could be "very close" to calling him a bust with all we know. I think you need a few years to really call someone a bust. This board is very critical of things, sometimes making people a little trigger happy? TNEW wasn't a bust last year.....but....

BTW, Kearse plays either side....but he's always on the "wrong" side :iggles:

Yes I know Kearse plays both ways, just like Strahan and many other dominant pass rushers, but he can primarily be found on the strong side. Look the old media clippings for the game, when we played the Giants and the Eagles, all the analysts and pundits were talking about the bad matchup on the right.

- Mike G.

[Grevus]

Finally BP has woken up and smelled the coffee. The fact that Tucker is a horrible turnstile was obvious since the first game of the season when Udeze was running around him like a pylon in the 4th quarter.

I really do wonder about the intelligence of our coaches sometimes.

Vollers should be a definite improvement in the passing game. I don't think he is much of a run blocker.

Hopefully we'll get to see some of Rogers. It's a harsh intro to the NFL having to go up against Kearse.

Tucker is a million dollar speed bump. I glad he is out. I didn't want to see him go up on Kearse.

[morasp]

If you go back and look at the preseason film, you will see that Rogers has got an ideal frame for OT with good height and long arms. He also has excellent feet and these were on display in preseason. What he lacks is the typical strength and girth of a RT.

I think this guy will be a good player and will transition over to LT with Flo moving over to RT. It is in both of their interests as they will both be better players because of it.

The real bust is Warhop who keeps on playing players out of position - Tucker at tackle and Rogers at RT.

Absolutely correct. A year in the weight room will help tremendously. I'll never forget Larry Allen getting picked up in the air by Reggie White. Happens to the best of them. If I'm not mistaken, the Raiders put Gallery at Guard and he was the top lineman. Since it sounds like we'll get to see him tomorrow here's his scouting report again:

6-5 1/2 301 5.25 40 yd dash

NFL comparison Barry Sims Raiders.

Run Blocking: An efficient but not overwhelming run blocker. Consistently gets in good position and is hard worker who drives his legs and works to sustain. Does a nice job of keeping separation and using his hands to direct linemen. Runs well and stays under control, showing good balance as a blocker in space. Able to hit moving targets but won't overpower many defenders. More of a position and wall-off run blocker. Will have trouble against big, powerful players. Grade 7.3
Pass Blocking: Has good height and decent bulk. An experienced starter with solid technique. Moves well laterally and plays with excellent leverage and body control. has the ability to mirror and slide against double moves. Can control opponents if locked on but does not have great initial pop and won't jar defenders with initial punch. Grade: 8.2

Initial quickness: Good but not elite in this area. Rarely gets beat inside and almost always sets quickly enough in pass pro to establish position and get his balance. Grade: 8.3

Strength: Has better upper-body than lower body strength but not great in either area. More of a position and wall-off type who has his most trouble against physical, powerful ends. Struggles to overpower linemen at the point of attack in the run game and has trouble anchoring against bigger, stronger linemen who bull-rush him. Hasn't had a major injury but always is nicked up. Grade: 6.9

Mobility: A good athlete but not an elite one for the position. Speed and change of direction skills aren't spectacular but has good quickness and moves well laterally. Runs under control and with balance and can hit the moving target in the running game. Rarely loses to speedy, athletic players in pass protection. Grade: 8.2

Bottom Line: One of the fastest rising linemen, Rogers continues to add bulk and strength and hone his skills. He's athletic enough to play left tackle and, if he becomes bigger, stronger and more technically sound, could develop into a solid starter. Rogers clearly is the third best tackle in the draft class and should come off the board early in the second round--if not sooner. Final Grade: 7.8

I'm looking forward to see what he can do tomorrow.

[junk]

When a team is as bad as Dallas, your first and second rounder should be immediate starters (unless they are a QB). Or in the case of Dallas this year, both second rounders.

In theory, Dallas should land three starters next year in rounds 1 and 2. Lets see if that scouting dept and GM can get it done.

[p1_]

Well, the unfortunate part is that we don't got anyone better to play in place of Gurode. Walter has shown that he isn't strong enough to last at OG for extended periods. Peterman is on the IR. Maybe now that the Tucker OT experiment has failed he can compete with Gurode for the ORG spot in camp next year.

let rogers play right guard. If he can play tackle, he can play guard.

[Nors]

Gurode needs to be benched also

:iggles:

Gurode and Tucker have been terrible all season.

[Oh_Canada]

...And the double standard in Dallas continues....Torrin Tucker is benched for inconsistent play....yet the timewarp at QB remains the starter despite stinking out the joint for the past six weeks.

[Randy White]

looks like he's better suited for guard more than the tackle possition.

I go back to the dynasty days and mention an old name: Kevin Gogan.

If I remember correctly he started out as a left tackle under coach Laundry's regime and couldn't hack it there. Then he was moved to right tackle, and he couldn't play there either. Eventually Jimmy Johnson benched him, shuffling the O-line around by moving Nate to guard from the tackle possition ( Nate had beaten Gogan for the job ), the late " Tui " from RT to LT, signing John Gesek as a plan B free agent from the Raiders and moving him to guard, with Erick Williams making his debut at the RT possition. Then during the second part of the back to back championship seasons, Step got hurt and Jimmah reshuffled the line again. He moved Gesek to center, and put Kevin Gogan at RG out of necessity.

Well, Gogan went on to have a Pro Bowl type season, and signed with the 49ers as an unrestricted FA in 1994 ( during the first year of the salary cap ) for big money. He made the Pro Bowl several times after that, if I remember correctly.

I think Tucker might be in the same situation as Gogan. He certainly has the same body type, and the criticisms laid on him sound very familiar to the criticisms that Gogan was getting in those years.

:cunning:

[p1_]

looks like he's better suited for guard more than the tackle possition.

I go back to the dynasty days and mention an old name: Kevin Gogan.

If I remember correctly he started out as a left tackle under coach Laundry's regime and couldn't hack it there. Then he was moved to right tackle, and he couldn't play there either. Eventually Jimmy Johnson benched him, shuffling the O-line around by moving Nate to guard from the tackle possition ( Nate had beaten Gogan for the job ), the late " Tui " from RT to LT, signing John Gesek as a plan B free agent from the Raiders and moving him to guard, with Erick Williams making his debut at the RT possition. Then during the second part of the back to back championship seasons, Step got hurt and Jimmah reshuffled the line again. He moved Gesek to center, and put Kevin Gogan at RG out of necessity.

Well, Gogan went on to have a Pro Bowl type season, and signed with the 49ers as an unrestricted FA in 1994 ( during the first year of the salary cap ) for big money. He made the Pro Bowl several times after that, if I remember correctly.

I think Tucker might be in the same situation as Gogan. He certainly has the same body type, and the criticisms laid on him sound very familiar to the criticisms that Gogan was getting in those years.

:cunning:

not to mention he played guard in college.

[The Curly One]

"Gurode and Tucker have been terrible all season."

Like Larry Allen and Flosmell have been having a good year? Larry Allen can not block anyone and Flosmell has had numurous penalties.

Gurode and Tucker both have played decent most of this season but I must admit Tucker was terrible last week. As a matter of fact the whole team has not been that good lately. Curly

[Bobo]

NFL Network replayed an old 49's game awhile back. I saw Gogan in there, made me a little nauseous.

[Nors]

Like Larry Allen and Flosmell have been having a good year? Larry Allen can not block anyone and Flosmell has had numurous penalties.

Gurode and Tucker both have played decent most of this season but I must admit Tucker was terrible last week. As a matter of fact the whole team has not been that good lately. Curly

Yes on Flo and penalties - we run left so far more effectively its not funny.
See JJ's stats, we have also documented this fact now in multi threads past two months - search Gurode = Bust:)

If you are supporting Gurode and Tucker over Allen and Flo - I rest my case -

[The30YardSlant]

Good, I got tired of yelling at my TV:

"Tucker, yeah...um, that guy in the other colored jersey, yeah him? Your supposed to block that guy."

[SuspectCorner]

jacob rogers has nifty feet for a tackle. weight training will improve his mass and strength. unfortunately, for mr. tucker that is, the one thing they can't teach these monsters is SPEED. torrin is just too slow to be an effective tackle.

[Eskimo]

jacob rogers has nifty feet for a tackle. weight training will improve his mass and strength. unfortunately, for mr. tucker that is, the one thing they can't teach these monsters is SPEED. torrin is just too slow to be an effective tackle.

Tucker actually has decent speed for a man his size. His feet are slow so he can't play effectively against speed rushers. His long range speed should suit him well to pulling at the guard position. Furthermore, the lack of operating space should allow him to latch onto his man and overpower him with his size and strength.

It was sheer idiocy to put him at tackle. Warhop should be fired (plus the entire defensive coaching staff). The fact that Tucker is not fit to start at tackle was obvious in preseason and painfully obvious in the first game of the year when Udeze schooled him - I know it won't show up in the stat sheets but watch the game and notice Udeze constantly harassing VT in the second half.

[The Curly One]

I am not supporting Gurode and Tucker over Allen and Flosmell. I have said all along that it takes several years for offensive linemen to really be good. Peterman, Gurode, and yes even Tucker may be good with more experience. They have the potentail to get better, after 4 years or more Larry Allen will never be a good player again. So do you want to ride the old dead horses Larry Allen, Vinny and Eddie George or see what the young guys have and give the young guys some experience?
I say it is time to set the old horses out to pasture. Curly