Some Interesting News

[rcaldw]

I was listening to the radio tonight and the host had John McClain on, a long time NFL beat writer with the Houston Chronicle.

I normally wouldn't take what an out of city sports reporter said if I didn't hear it out of the Dallas media, but McClain has been around so long you wonder if he might have a unique connection or two.

He presented this whole Henson thing as something that Jerry Jones doesn't like. He said that people within the organization told him that ever since Jones came out and publicly talked about his desire for Henson to play Parcells moved in the opposite direction.

He also said that Parcell's is acting like someone who wants Jones to fire him, but that there is no way that he would "walk away" after a losing year.

He said that there is a rift that is real between Jones and Parcells on this one and while this one thing won't divide them, he wonders what additional issues will come up.

Like I said, out of town guy, but long time NFL guy, and especially influential in the Hall of Fame voting, has a lot of connections and represented this as coming from people inside the Cowboys organization.

For what its worth.

[Champsheart]

I was listening to the radio tonight and the host had John McClain on, a long time NFL beat writer with the Houston Chronicle.

I normally wouldn't take what an out of city sports reporter said if I didn't hear it out of the Dallas media, but McClain has been around so long you wonder if he might have a unique connection or two.

He presented this whole Henson thing as something that Jerry Jones doesn't like. He said that people within the organization told him that ever since Jones came out and publicly talked about his desire for Henson to play Parcells moved in the opposite direction.

He also said that Parcell's is acting like someone who wants Jones to fire him, but that there is no way that he would "walk away" after a losing year.

He said that there is a rift that is real between Jones and Parcells on this one and while this one thing won't divide them, he wonders what additional issues will come up.

Like I said, out of town guy, but long time NFL guy, and especially influential in the Hall of Fame voting, has a lot of connections and represented this as coming from people inside the Cowboys organization.

For what its worth.

What it is worth? Nothing.

Next Subject.

[rcaldw]

What it is worth? Nothing.

Next Subject.

Well, glad its that simple for you. :), I personally believe that there is something to that. I don't think most of what we hear out of any media source is 100% correct, but you haven't been paying attention if you didn't see Jones supporting HENSON early on. He wasn't simply supporting "try a young guy", he was supporting Henson.

So, maybe Jerry just swallows whatever Bill says, but I don't think so. I think Jerry has demonstrated forever that he has his own mind about things. I wouldn't be surprised one bit to find that there is some tension on this issue.

[Juke99]

I was listening to the radio tonight and the host had John McClain on, a long time NFL beat writer with the Houston Chronicle.

I normally wouldn't take what an out of city sports reporter said if I didn't hear it out of the Dallas media, but McClain has been around so long you wonder if he might have a unique connection or two.

He presented this whole Henson thing as something that Jerry Jones doesn't like. He said that people within the organization told him that ever since Jones came out and publicly talked about his desire for Henson to play Parcells moved in the opposite direction.

He also said that Parcell's is acting like someone who wants Jones to fire him, but that there is no way that he would "walk away" after a losing year.

He said that there is a rift that is real between Jones and Parcells on this one and while this one thing won't divide them, he wonders what additional issues will come up.

Like I said, out of town guy, but long time NFL guy, and especially influential in the Hall of Fame voting, has a lot of connections and represented this as coming from people inside the Cowboys organization.

For what its worth.

Thanks...especially for those of us who are stuck with NY sports radio.

Maybe legit...maybe not...

I guess we'll all find out eventually

[VoR]

I've got to take Jones side on this. Parcells has a worse 2 year record than Chan Gailey and his best coaching days are way in the past. He really doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I do like how he continues to say how bad the players are this year, but if I'm not mistaken HE's the one who put this team together, i.e. his fault this team sucks.

Oh did I mention the way his khaki shorts look pulled up over his feminine pooch belly? Looks like a woman that's had 10 kids, and doesn't look like he has any man-parts down there. Maybe that's why he's such a softie. :puke:

[crazylegs]

I was listening to the radio tonight and the host had John McClain on, a long time NFL beat writer with the Houston Chronicle.

I normally wouldn't take what an out of city sports reporter said if I didn't hear it out of the Dallas media, but McClain has been around so long you wonder if he might have a unique connection or two.

He presented this whole Henson thing as something that Jerry Jones doesn't like. He said that people within the organization told him that ever since Jones came out and publicly talked about his desire for Henson to play Parcells moved in the opposite direction.

He also said that Parcell's is acting like someone who wants Jones to fire him, but that there is no way that he would "walk away" after a losing year.

He said that there is a rift that is real between Jones and Parcells on this one and while this one thing won't divide them, he wonders what additional issues will come up.

Like I said, out of town guy, but long time NFL guy, and especially influential in the Hall of Fame voting, has a lot of connections and represented this as coming from people inside the Cowboys organization.

For what its worth.

There's that old saying where there's smoke there's fire.

Stop and think about it. Jones hasn't really meshed with any NFL coach, even one that just won 2 superbowls? Talk about, well if you don't like me (Jones) then at least I can stroke your ego with a SB?

Next in line was, "Let's do it my way", said Jones. Switscher (sp and who cares) who, come on was fueled by Jimmys previous drafts. Won a SB but was lead out of town, by the media... right!

Next up where minny, moe, and jack whom, lets face it the only people Jones could get.. total failures and still legacy to our lack of talent situation.

Now after ~ 10 years the stigma of Jones sort of wore off and he got another Switscher in Parcells and after 1 whole year the cycle continues, albet we're only hearing about it now.

Am I the only person seeing the patteren?

Get rid of Jerry Jones NOW, I've said this since 1997 when I lived in Japan.

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Off with his head.

[Wolverine]

Parcells is tied with total wins with Dave Campo. BOth have 15 total wins. Looks like BIll if he is here next year will need that year to pass Campo. He should be able to get 1 win next year.

[GTaylor]

Nothing new - Tim Calishaw wrote the day after the Chicago game that this was the start of another Jimmy/Jerry split.

Writers just love to want to start something, don't they?

[SkinsandTerps]

I could potentially see this scenario.

Parcells not wanting to look like the *******, and instead gets fired.

I have a hard time believeing that any Owner would fire Parcells. But you never know.

[Rack Bauer]

I normally wouldn't take what an out of city sports reporter said if I didn't hear it out of the Dallas media, but McClain has been around so long you wonder if he might have a unique connection or two.


Translation: I normally don't take what an out of city reporter says seriously, but I happen to agree (or hope) that this is true so I'll go ahead and believe it this time.

If this exact same reporter had said Tony Romo is a better QB then Drew Henson, well.... you get my point.

[CaptainAmerica]

Other writers have been saying this also, specifically I think Cowlishaw said on Galloway's radio show that this was Bill telling Jerry to stay out of telling him how to run the team. I don't know how much stock to put in it though, because Jerry has been very forceful and direct in saying that Bill has given no indication he won't return and that if anything Jerry worries about his health because he works so hard and this year has been a real drain on him.

The only way I would see a rift is not as a result of the way Henson is being handled as far as playing, but if Parcells has told Jerry he doesn't think Henson can play qb in this league. If that happened I could definitely see a split because Jerry is definitely not ready to give up on Henson and in fact thinks he is our future.
If they disagree on that point, that COULD be an issue that eventually leads to a split between the two. However, if Parcells thinks Henson has potential but needs to be developed slowly, I believe Jerry would agree with that and recognizes that it hurt Hutch and Q to be thrown into the fray to soon.

[Rack Bauer]

Parcells has a worse 2 year record than Chan Gailey


Yeah, the talent on the two teams are so similar too.

:loser:

[rcaldw]

Translation: I normally don't take what an out of city reporter says seriously, but I happen to agree (or hope) that this is true so I'll go ahead and believe it this time.

If this exact same reporter had said Tony Romo is a better QB then Drew Henson, well.... you get my point.

Rack, I won't deny that I hope its true. I'm on record saying that I want Parcells gone. But there are other things that I wish were true that I won't believe. What I posted, I mean, McClain is a long time reporter, I don't know if this is true, but it makes you wonder.

Btw, if you have already told the story, or if it is too painful, then don't bother responding, but if not, I notice your tribute to Brandon, can you tell us about him?

[Common Sense]

McClain is a long time bag.


But since you mentioned it, what possible good do you think it does to get rid of Parcells? Who is going to take over and do suuuuch a better job? Coach Jerry Jones?

How about Jenny Jones? She could come up with one of those cute little talk show episode titles to rhyme with 0-16....

[rcaldw]

McClain is a long time bag.


But since you mentioned it, what possible good do you think it does to get rid of Parcells? Who is going to take over and do suuuuch a better job? Coach Jerry Jones?

How about Jenny Jones? She could come up with one of those cute little talk show episode titles to rhyme with 0-16....

I really think this forum and others are divided along philosophical lines, what you enjoy in a team.

I don't like the "one year wonder" approach. I like the Dallas Cowboys that I grew up with, stability, long term excellence, and I do mean EXCELLENCE.

I also got used to a Dallas Cowboys team that placed a high value on the QB position, and a team that attacked and didn't play simply to manage the clock, and hope to win in the end.

So, when I see a coach who doesn't plan to be here in 2 more years, a coach who doesn't place a high value on the QB position, and a coach who plays to manage the clock in such a way that he keeps games close and tries to win games at the end, I JUST AM NOT EXCITED.

To each his own, but it explains why I want him gone.

In terms of who could do a better job? Any quality coach who wants to be our coach for 10 years not 3, so that he will go about developing a franchise, young QB.

There are a bunch out there in my opinion, Jerry would just have to choose the right one.

[Eskimo]

This is almost certainly pure speculation. The fact that other writers are saying it too is also almost certainly pure speculation.

Having said that, I believe there is some truth to this. Jones was definitely strongly hyping Henson before the Chicago game and seems to have backtracked quite a bit over the past couple of weeks. I suspect JJ is playing peacemaker in the relationship right now. If things continue to go poorly, he is unlikley to continue to be the peacemaker. Getting the Boys in the playoffs last year and his past track record has bought Parcells some slack. Only time will tell if he will hang himself with it.

[Common Sense]

In terms of who could do a better job? Any quality coach who wants to be our coach for 10 years not 3, so that he will go about developing a franchise, young QB.

There are a bunch out there in my opinion, Jerry would just have to choose the right one.

Jerry said the same thing a while back, and thats exactly what got us into this mess to begin with.

And that's all you can say about it.

[rcaldw]

Jerry said the same thing a while back, and thats exactly what got us into this mess to begin with.

And that's all you can say about it.

I understand what you are saying. Just like Parcells underestimates the importance of the QB position (in my opinion), Jerry underestimated the uniqueness of a coach like Jimmy Johnson. I get that, and I agree with that.

So, don't go get just anyone, but I have news for you, he is going to have to make a choice within 3 years anyway. Do you really think Parcells is a 5 year coach here? No way.

[Common Sense]

Nope.. his age and his track record would suggest otherwise.. but I wouldn't get rid of him until he's done. He's got too much pride to let the franchise go to waste.

[TwoDeep3]

There's that old saying where there's smoke there's fire.


However, the book of matches don't have media types talking about smoke when there isn't any.

The rift between Jones and parcells has been substantiated by whom exactly?

No one. Bill doesn't talk and neither does Jerry.

So where is the sign that any of this is beyond yellow journalism?

Well, I don't see plagues of locust or the sun turning blood red. No frogs.

Bullshate is what this is until we hear one of the principles make a public comment.

Especially the part about Parcells trying to get fired. He didn't seem to give a rat's *** what anyone thought when he backed out on Tampa Bay.

We think the Cowboys are special, but are they so special that he couldn't just quit if he wanted?


You know, at the carnival they have the lobster boy. No, no really. His parents were lobsters.

Yeah, right.

[CowboyChris]

i think media and friends probably other people around the league could be filling Jerry's ears about how awful Vinny is, and how they should try and find out what they have in Henson and Romo. everywhere u turn the only thing being mentioned is when will we see Henson.

BP probably could care less, but im willing to bet Jerry isnt. Jerry admitted alot of faults when BP was hired, and basically promised to do all he can to accomadate BP. but when there isnt a winning product on the field, everything gets closely X-Rayed.

if BP wants to get fired, Jerry wouldnt hesitate to do so, there is no doubt in my mind that Jerry is committed to winning, infact i would go on to say he is desperate to win another SB. :iggles:

[Banned_n_austin]

Well, glad its that simple for you. :), I personally believe that there is something to that. I don't think most of what we hear out of any media source is 100% correct, but you haven't been paying attention if you didn't see Jones supporting HENSON early on. He wasn't simply supporting "try a young guy", he was supporting Henson.

So, maybe Jerry just swallows whatever Bill says, but I don't think so. I think Jerry has demonstrated forever that he has his own mind about things. I wouldn't be surprised one bit to find that there is some tension on this issue.


Nonsense.

[dbair1967]

I was listening to the radio tonight and the host had John McClain on, a long time NFL beat writer with the Houston Chronicle.

I normally wouldn't take what an out of city sports reporter said if I didn't hear it out of the Dallas media, but McClain has been around so long you wonder if he might have a unique connection or two.

He presented this whole Henson thing as something that Jerry Jones doesn't like. He said that people within the organization told him that ever since Jones came out and publicly talked about his desire for Henson to play Parcells moved in the opposite direction.

He also said that Parcell's is acting like someone who wants Jones to fire him, but that there is no way that he would "walk away" after a losing year.

He said that there is a rift that is real between Jones and Parcells on this one and while this one thing won't divide them, he wonders what additional issues will come up.

Like I said, out of town guy, but long time NFL guy, and especially influential in the Hall of Fame voting, has a lot of connections and represented this as coming from people inside the Cowboys organization.

For what its worth.

It's interesting he chose to describe it as "Parcells acting like someone who wants Jones to firehim"...its exactly what I believe too...I think Parcells might be enamored with a position elewhere, perhaps Clevelandormaybe even Miami if they cant get Nick Saban's John Hancock on a deal...

at any rate, I agree with McClain...some of Parcells' antics lately make me think he wants out as well...if he walks away he either leaves 9 million on the table or cant take another job w/o Jones' permission and likely compensation from the new team (something that happened between the Patriots and Jets)...the only way he gets paid or gets released to pursue another job is if Jones fires Parcells, or the two reach agreement on a settlement...if any of the above is true, Parcells may have already deduced that Jones will not offer any stettlement, and maybe he is doing whatever he can to push Jones to fire him. I wouldnt be surprised at all to be honest...

David

[SultanOfSix]

The media is just waiting for a rift to occur between JJ and BP so they can say 'I told you it wouldn't last.' That's the media's job nowadays. To start **** instead of reporting things objectively, because, well that's boring to them and doesn't sell papers.

[Jack Burton]

Thanks for posting that, as it is fun to read speculation sometimes, to imagine secret behind closed door meetings, power plays, and all that.

It passes the time, especailly in losing seasons when the playoffs are no longer a realistic option.

It's kind of like reading the tabloid headlines when you're in line to buy groceries. It passes the time, but you just can't put much stock in it.

[twa]

I wouldn't put too much faith in anything McClain has to say.I have been reading his columns for decades and he does not miss a chance to rip the Boys.The idea is to sell papers not report news :iggles:

[morasp]

It was obvious in the monday night interview of Jerry that something was up. His answers to questions about it were evasive and reahearsed. What the extent of it is will be TBD. I think Parcells should get one more year. He always says give the players that show something three years so the coach should too. If we don't show some improvement next year then we definitely need to start looking for someone.

[CaptainAmerica]

It was obvious in the monday night interview of Jerry that something was up. His answers to questions about it were evasive and reahearsed. What the extent of it is will be TBD. I think Parcells should get one more year. He always says give the players that show something three years so the coach should too. If we don't show some improvement next year then we definitely need to start looking for someone.

What Monday night interview are you referring to? I heard one on the Westwood One radio broadcast the night of the Seahawk game. Is that what you are referring to?
You are right, you can definitely tell when Jerry is rehearsed and is covering something. He's a horrible liar you can see it all over his face. :)

[SmashFactorGolf]

i think media and friends probably other people around the league could be filling Jerry's ears about how awful Vinny is, and how they should try and find out what they have in Henson and Romo. everywhere u turn the only thing being mentioned is when will we see Henson.

BP probably could care less, but im willing to bet Jerry isnt. Jerry admitted alot of faults when BP was hired, and basically promised to do all he can to accomadate BP. but when there isnt a winning product on the field, everything gets closely X-Rayed.

if BP wants to get fired, Jerry wouldnt hesitate to do so, there is no doubt in my mind that Jerry is committed to winning, infact i would go on to say he is desperate to win another SB. :iggles:

Jerry Fired Tom Landry without much thought............could happen

[notherbob]

Some of our present company excepted, of course, football fans in general aren't known for their intellectual qualities, more for their undying loud loyalty to a particular team or player. Norman Einstein's box is usually empty at the games. When Mensa meetings break up into SIG groups, it doesn't take much room for the football special interest group to meet, a phone booth or a VW beetle or will usually do.

(No, I am not a member of Mensa but was invited to and attended a few meeting in Dallas years ago.)

hen they're not bragging about their accomplishments, they're arguing with each other over who knows more - a whole lot like us football fans. The difference is that most of them know what they're talking about. We football fans are more easily led and half-witted hacks who can't play or do much of anything else wind up writing about football and leading the football-crazed masses (us) by the ears wherever they want them to go. It's about stirring up the torch-and-pitchfork mob of fans in order to create controversy and sell papers (which have lots of ads in them).

All that being said, Why can't we fans see that some writers just stir up our emotions and we react like the Pavlov's pootches? Don't we have any control over our reactions? Evidently not, it's just that we react differently. I am looking forward to seeing whether Romo has anything or not since Drew doesn't seem ready yet. I'm also eager to see Drew give it another go. I don't care about the soap opera aspects of the situation between BP and Jethro.

I think Parcells thinks Romo won't be as bad as people think, it's just a question of how fast he can develop - just like Drew. He probably thinks Romo peaks first and plays well and eventually Drew will develop so well he will push Romo out and then the team has a tradeable commodity in Romo.

Just another way to fill the time until kickoff.

[jterrell]

Well, glad its that simple for you. :), I personally believe that there is something to that. I don't think most of what we hear out of any media source is 100% correct, but you haven't been paying attention if you didn't see Jones supporting HENSON early on. He wasn't simply supporting "try a young guy", he was supporting Henson.

So, maybe Jerry just swallows whatever Bill says, but I don't think so. I think Jerry has demonstrated forever that he has his own mind about things. I wouldn't be surprised one bit to find that there is some tension on this issue.
1st off, McCain knows nothing about the team anymore. I've heard his opinions when driving from Galveston or other places and its almost comically offbase. His articles have been almost 180 degrees from actuality.

BP and JJ are in disagreement over this matter. JJ wants to see Henson play. It is his way. Its what he did with all the other young QBs and we know how well they all turned out to be.

All that said, JJ stated plainly that he understood Parcells and was on the same page with him. JJ doesn't contradict hisself if he plans to get ugly. He is goign to take and hold the stance that Parcells can start who he likes.

If BP were to get fired it would be because we lost a lot of games again next year not because BP doesn't wanna allow Jerry to co-coach the team.

When Jerry hired the guy he knew there would be some disagreements over personnel and he signed off on those in advance. The one guy Jerry might hire is Mike Zimmer but witht he defense struggling so much this year that would be a hard sell to the fans. I am 99% sure we see no coaching change at all but if one were to come it would be because BP was sick of the grind... again.

[TLW47]

I know who John McClain is because I live in the Houston area and most of the time when he's talking about the Cowboys he's berating them and in fact said just a few days ago that he loves when the Cowboys lose because he likes that "the Cowboy fans are miserable".

I don't know but he's no Cowboy lover and it would be not so far fetched if he made up stories to stir the pot so to speak. Not that Bill or Jerry care.

[notherbob]

It's just another one of Jerra's mental premature climaxes that he mistakes for strokes of wisdom, that led to the debacle this team became in the decade before Parcells. Leave Big Bill alone and let him build his team and staff. Yeah, he's made some mistakes this year but so have we all - even Lombardi wasn't perfect. I still like this team better than any of those Campo/Jones teams.

Some of us are having a hard time dealing with the disappointments this year, and it's hard to watch the carnage, but great coaches form great teams in the crucible of adversity and it takes more than one season to rid this team of a lot of the baggage that Jethro had been piling on it for years. Besides, if Jerry canned Parcells, who do you think that is worth having would work for Jerry knowing his history? All you would get would be a string of losers.

Just bear with it, Jerry and sooner or later the man will produce, it just takes longer to deal with it when there's so much of a burden to overcome.

[Chocolate Lab]

Maybe there are some board politics going on I don't know about, but I'm not sure why people are attacking the poster... McClain *has* been a writer for a long time and has written many, many articles on the Cowboys. Despite the general Houston-area hate for the Cowboys, McClain has written some unusually positive pieces about some of our key players in the last year.

What's more, this article makes sense. Jerry comes out and says he wishes Henson would play more, and Henson immediately gets demoted and then demoted again. Rick Gosselin and Ed Werder have said the same thing: You don't tell Bill Parcells how to coach his team. So this isn't an idea hatched from one lone crackpot.

Now does Parcells want to be fired? I seriously doubt that. And will this cause some huge implosion of the team? I doubt that, too. Jerry's been great in what he's said publicly regarding all this confusing QB shuffling. But to think he's very disappointed and even questioning how Parcells has handled Henson? That's not hard to believe at all.

[silver]

I'm just grateful Switzer, Gailey & Campo are not the head coach anymore. We need another puppet coach like we need another torn anterior cruciate ligament. Jerry needs to step back and let the man do his job. This is not Fantasy Football. If and when Henson or Romo are ready we'll see them take the field. Both are still very young and raw. We're not running a tryout camp on Sundays. All we know so far is that Vinny is not very good. We knew that before the season started. We also know that a lot of things went wrong this season which explains the 5-8 record so far. Injuries and bad personel decisions have cripled the team and it's a miracle we're not mathematically eliminated yet. But that's the thing, we're still in it. If St. Louis, Carolina and Seattle are still alive, so are we. Those guys aren't setting the world on fire either. So we'll see ancient Vinny one more time. Nobody gives us a chance on Sunday but if by some miracle we end up winning, you can bet your Santa letter that we'll see Vinny again.

[rcaldw]

Maybe there are some board politics going on I don't know about, but I'm not sure why people are attacking the poster... McClain *has* been a writer for a long time and has written many, many articles on the Cowboys. Despite the general Houston-area hate for the Cowboys, McClain has written some unusually positive pieces about some of our key players in the last year.

What's more, this article makes sense. Jerry comes out and says he wishes Henson would play more, and Henson immediately gets demoted and then demoted again. Rick Gosselin and Ed Werder have said the same thing: You don't tell Bill Parcells how to coach his team. So this isn't an idea hatched from one lone crackpot.

Now does Parcells want to be fired? I seriously doubt that. And will this cause some huge implosion of the team? I doubt that, too. Jerry's been great in what he's said publicly regarding all this confusing QB shuffling. But to think he's very disappointed and even questioning how Parcells has handled Henson? That's not hard to believe at all.


No politics going on to my knowledge Chocolate, just that some people don't want to believe anything negative about the Parcells, Jones relationship.

I agree with everything you posted here, including how Jerry has handled it.

When McClain is anti Cowboys, at least on the radio, it is usually tongue in cheek, playing the role of the homer, but when he gets serious in his comments, I don't think he is just throwing stuff out.

I'll tell you what is sad/funny, because Jerry is known as a "meddler", some people don't take his views seriously any more. Which might be fair. But on this one I really think he is correct. It will be interesting to see what happens from here on out.

[HTownCowboysFan]

Keep this in mind when hearing or reading any Cowboys related from McClain: he hates the Cowboys, Jerry Jones, and most of all, Big Bill. Anything that comes out of his piehole is tainted.

I was listening to the radio tonight and the host had John McClain on, a long time NFL beat writer with the Houston Chronicle.

I normally wouldn't take what an out of city sports reporter said if I didn't hear it out of the Dallas media, but McClain has been around so long you wonder if he might have a unique connection or two.

He presented this whole Henson thing as something that Jerry Jones doesn't like. He said that people within the organization told him that ever since Jones came out and publicly talked about his desire for Henson to play Parcells moved in the opposite direction.

He also said that Parcell's is acting like someone who wants Jones to fire him, but that there is no way that he would "walk away" after a losing year.

He said that there is a rift that is real between Jones and Parcells on this one and while this one thing won't divide them, he wonders what additional issues will come up.

Like I said, out of town guy, but long time NFL guy, and especially influential in the Hall of Fame voting, has a lot of connections and represented this as coming from people inside the Cowboys organization.

For what its worth.

[Waffle]

Thanks for posting that, as it is fun to read speculation sometimes, to imagine secret behind closed door meetings, power plays, and all that.

It passes the time, especailly in losing seasons when the playoffs are no longer a realistic option.

It's kind of like reading the tabloid headlines when you're in line to buy groceries. It passes the time, but you just can't put much stock in it.
Good analogy.

[Champsheart]

No politics going on to my knowledge Chocolate, just that some people don't want to believe anything negative about the Parcells, Jones relationship.

It will be interesting to see what happens from here on out.

Do you really believe this crap?
It has nothing to do with whether people believe anything negative about Jones and Parcells. Of course they are going to have some differences, it happens in all of business, and honestly it is very healthy.

The issue is not whether people believe anything negative about Parcells and Jones, it is they know any little thing that happens is going to get blown out of whack by the media. Any chance they get, they will try to report a rift.

It is like a pond of Alligators waiting for someone to take a swim.

We also have been around long enough to know that many members off the media are going to spat off, and say they have sources, when they have nothing, and are just trying to act like they have knowledge of the situation.

Get used to it because you will continue to hear it until the day Parcells is actually gone. Why? Because the media wants it this way. Why? It sells.

Yeah, Parcells is just trying to show Jerry where he stands, and then hope he fires him. GET REAL!

And in regards to be interesting from here on out, well not really, unless you like reading the National Enquire and believe that crap to.

[rcaldw]

Do you really believe this crap?
It has nothing to do with whether people believe anything negative about Jones and Parcells. Of course they are going to have some differences, it happens in all of business, and honestly it is very healthy.

The issue is not whether people believe anything negative about Parcells and Jones, it is they know any little thing that happens is going to get blown out of whack by the media. Any chance they get, they will try to report a rift.

It is like a pond of Alligators waiting for someone to take a swim.

We also have been around long enough to know that many members off the media are going to spat off, and say they have sources, when they have nothing, and are just trying to act like they have knowledge of the situation.

Get used to it because you will continue to hear it until the day Parcells is actually gone. Why? Because the media wants it this way. Why? It sells.

Yeah, Parcells is just trying to show Jerry where he stands, and then hope he fires him. GET REAL!

And in regards to be interesting from here on out, well not really, unless you like reading the National Enquire and believe that crap to.


Man, you settled it all for me. Your right Champ, when you speak, that settles it. I don't know why any of us should post another single thing, lets just ask Champ what HE thinks. ;)

[Champsheart]

Man, you settled it all for me. Your right Champ, when you speak, that settles it. I don't know why any of us should post another single thing, lets just ask Champ what HE thinks. ;)

Glad to see you finally are coming around! :D

[rcaldw]

Glad to see you finally are coming around! :D

NP, doesn't take me long to catch on! ;), so Champ, when did you say Jerry was gonna fire Bill?

[Erik_H]

The media is just waiting for a rift to occur between JJ and BP so they can say 'I told you it wouldn't last.' That's the media's job nowadays. To start **** instead of reporting things objectively, because, well that's boring to them and doesn't sell papers.

Precisely!

Just because Jerry and BP don't tell the media everything that's going on doesn't mean that they are as closed mouthed with each other. So many seem to be missing the fact that the two WORK TOGETHER. It's been mentioned time and time again that their relationship is one where they talk to each other about issues every single day. Just because JJ hyped up Henson a little bit a few weeks ago (and played a little good cop to BP's bad cop) does not mean that the two don't agree on Hensons future.

From BP various press conferences if taken a few things is see as facts:

1) Drew Henson is not NFL ready and playing him with a sub-par supporting cast at this time does more harm than good.

2) Drew Henson has already been subjected to the over-hype machine where he was not allowed to develop, considered the next greatest thing in sports and then quickly disregarded as a failure before it was entirely clear. (See the New York Yankees).

3) Tony Romo has been with the team for 2 years and has not seen the field. A Decision must be made THIS offseason as to whether he has the ability to either be a capable QB for the Cowboys, be cut, or have any value in trade. He must be showcased a bit to the rest of the league. Henson does not.

4) Bill Parcells is the coach of the cowboys, not the babysitter of Drew Henson. He has the responsbility to develop the entire team. both physically and psychologically.

We have two prefect examples of rookie QB experiments going on this year to draw parallels to. The Giants and the Steelers. The Giants had an underperforming vet, a horrid O-line and vastly over-rated WRs. Generally a lousy offense. Eli Manning is playing so badly that he is already being subjected to the "bust" label. He was unfairly annointed as the next greatest thing to enter the league here in NY, and he's inthe process of getting his @ss handed to him. It's possible he may never recover from this. Ont the other hand. Pitt's solid run game, elite WRs, good O-line, and stout D has provided Roth with the opportunity to succeed.

In my opinion, BP has not given up on Henson. Not by a long shot. He has two objectives to work on before throwing him in the fire.

1) Build the strengths of the team around him in order to give him a better chance to work through his mistakes.

2) Teach him over a long period to "not eat the cheese" He need to lose the mindset he had in NY. The pressure to live up to the expecations placed on him by the media and the hype machine.

Bill needs to upgrade the team to help allow Henson to be good. Henson needs to be taught that he has to be good before he can be great. And he needs to be taught that it's ok to be good before he's great.

Just because we're not told this over and over again (It's been spelled out pretty vlearly more than onvce though), does not mean that there's not a greater plan we are not privvy to.

As Cowboy fans we got used to the wide open tell us everything regimes of the Campos days, when JJ would blurt out anything and everything. While I enjoyed the news, there were times I'd thik "Why dd he jsut admit that! Jeez, get a frikken poker face!" Things are more tight lipped these days.

[Champsheart]

NP, doesn't take me long to catch on! ;), so Champ, when did you say Jerry was gonna fire Bill?

Sorry to tell you but, he won't.

[rcaldw]

Sorry to tell you but, he won't.

I don't think he will either, which is why I'm waiting on BP's tenure to come to an end, hopefully after next season. I'm ready for a coach with a long term vision, not one that is all about legacy building, his own.

[Rack Bauer]

I don't think he will either, which is why I'm waiting on BP's tenure to come to an end, hopefully after next season. I'm ready for a coach with a long term vision, not one that is all about legacy building, his own.


You'll be singing a different tune if/when BP gets this team to the playoffs next year. :iggles:

[Jersey]

Of course there is a problem. The second Jerry publicly said positive things about Henson Bill got offended. This is a self inflicted wound. Bill's cast of former players came up way short this year. Mainly VT & Richie and his terrible turnovers. When they lost key games with their poor play if forced the team to look towards the future. In doing so, Bill's "genius" was exposed (for at least this season). He's just too stubborn to admit this didn't work. Hopefully, he doesn't fight this too hard and embraces giving Henson a REAL look.

[HTownCowboysFan]

Precisely!

Just because Jerry and BP don't tell the media everything that's going on doesn't mean that they are as closed mouthed with each other. So many seem to be missing the fact that the two WORK TOGETHER. It's been mentioned time and time again that their relationship is one where they talk to each other about issues every single day. Just because JJ hyped up Henson a little bit a few weeks ago (and played a little good cop to BP's bad cop) does not mean that the two don't agree on Hensons future.

From BP various press conferences if taken a few things is see as facts:

1) Drew Henson is not NFL ready and playing him with a sub-par supporting cast at this time does more harm than good.

2) Drew Henson has already been subjected to the over-hype machine where he was not allowed to develop, considered the next greatest thing in sports and then quickly disregarded as a failure before it was entirely clear. (See the New York Yankees).

3) Tony Romo has been with the team for 2 years and has not seen the field. A Decision must be made THIS offseason as to whether he has the ability to either be a capable QB for the Cowboys, be cut, or have any value in trade. He must be showcased a bit to the rest of the league. Henson does not.

4) Bill Parcells is the coach of the cowboys, not the babysitter of Drew Henson. He has the responsbility to develop the entire team. both physically and psychologically.

We have two prefect examples of rookie QB experiments going on this year to draw parallels to. The Giants and the Steelers. The Giants had an underperforming vet, a horrid O-line and vastly over-rated WRs. Generally a lousy offense. Eli Manning is playing so badly that he is already being subjected to the "bust" label. He was unfairly annointed as the next greatest thing to enter the league here in NY, and he's inthe process of getting his @ss handed to him. It's possible he may never recover from this. Ont the other hand. Pitt's solid run game, elite WRs, good O-line, and stout D has provided Roth with the opportunity to succeed.

In my opinion, BP has not given up on Henson. Not by a long shot. He has two objectives to work on before throwing him in the fire.

1) Build the strengths of the team around him in order to give him a better chance to work through his mistakes.

2) Teach him over a long period to "not eat the cheese" He need to lose the mindset he had in NY. The pressure to live up to the expecations placed on him by the media and the hype machine.

Bill needs to upgrade the team to help allow Henson to be good. Henson needs to be taught that he has to be good before he can be great. And he needs to be taught that it's ok to be good before he's great.

Just because we're not told this over and over again (It's been spelled out pretty vlearly more than onvce though), does not mean that there's not a greater plan we are not privvy to.

As Cowboy fans we got used to the wide open tell us everything regimes of the Campos days, when JJ would blurt out anything and everything. While I enjoyed the news, there were times I'd thik "Why dd he jsut admit that! Jeez, get a frikken poker face!" Things are more tight lipped these days.

^ Great take. I couldn't agree more.

[DipChit]

It's just another one of Jerra's mental premature climaxes that he mistakes for strokes of wisdom, that led to the debacle this team became in the decade before Parcells. Leave Big Bill alone and let him build his team and staff. Yeah, he's made some mistakes this year but so have we all - even Lombardi wasn't perfect. I still like this team better than any of those Campo/Jones teams.

Some of us are having a hard time dealing with the disappointments this year, and it's hard to watch the carnage, but great coaches form great teams in the crucible of adversity and it takes more than one season to rid this team of a lot of the baggage that Jethro had been piling on it for years. Besides, if Jerry canned Parcells, who do you think that is worth having would work for Jerry knowing his history? All you would get would be a string of losers.

Just bear with it, Jerry and sooner or later the man will produce, it just takes longer to deal with it when there's so much of a burden to overcome.

Exactly. I mean afterall, just what did Jerry bring Bill in here for. To try and turn this thing around after 8 years of neglect or to have Bill concern himself most about whether Jerry's fliers on QB's has any merit.

Jerry already bagged one good HC over thinking he knew better and we all saw the mess it left. To do it again, over something as silly as a disagreement over when another failed baseball player should start seeing some action, would be deplorable. Bills track record speaks for itself. Jerry's doesnt. We even saw some of it as recently as last year.. unless one wants to think theres a long list of guys who could've got this team to 10 wins.

But whatever Jerry.. go ahead and can him or get him in the mood to bail. With your prowess at finding talent and the odds that whatever coach you'd bring in instead being something really special, we'd undoubtedly be far better off.

Yeah, right.

[Erik_H]

Of course there is a problem. The second Jerry publicly said positive things about Henson Bill got offended. This is a self inflicted wound. Bill's cast of former players came up way short this year. Mainly VT & Richie and his terrible turnovers. When they lost key games with their poor play if forced the team to look towards the future. In doing so, Bill's "genius" was exposed (for at least this season). He's just too stubborn to admit this didn't work. Hopefully, he doesn't fight this too hard and embraces giving Henson a REAL look.

First, there's no sign at all that Bill got offended. The assumption that BP would be reacting to a small show of support of Henson by JJ is (no offense intended) silly.

You're looking at 1/50th of what goes on as far as communication between BP and JJ goes and jumping to conclusions based on that.

If anything JJ's public comments served to raise peoples expectations of Henson and therefore raise the pressure on Henson himself. Henson does not need this pressure when he's not ready for it. Bill HAS said "you can hurt the player" That is concern, not whether or not some of his offseason moves worked out.

For the record, VT did pretty well early on before he lost most of his WRs.
I'm not particularly a fan of VT, but that's the situation we ended up with after Q was unable to get his mind straight. (but this topic is certainly one of another post).

Last year Richie Anderson was one of our best Offensive players. He was needed in order to bridge the gap until our young guys could get ready. Julius' injury set us back quite a bit.

Bill's old players were intended to be here as a supporting cast with other key guys rounding out the roster. We lost Glenn and Campbell along with Julius. It may have been a fragile set up, but it was valid plan until our support guys were forced into starring roles.

Our young guys are very raw and they not only did not give us the best chance to win but would have burned the season for our vets. His intent (as I see it) was to try to stay competitive as long as he could hold it together. To keep the fire in all his players. Unlike Coughlin, he's chosen to keep the hunt for the playoffs a priority. He's used that fight to evaluate the natures of his team. As he's said recently. He knows what he whas now, and there will be changes this offseason.

[THEHEREAFTER]

I really think this forum and others are divided along philosophical lines, what you enjoy in a team.

I don't like the "one year wonder" approach. I like the Dallas Cowboys that I grew up with, stability, long term excellence, and I do mean EXCELLENCE.

I also got used to a Dallas Cowboys team that placed a high value on the QB position, and a team that attacked and didn't play simply to manage the clock, and hope to win in the end.

So, when I see a coach who doesn't plan to be here in 2 more years, a coach who doesn't place a high value on the QB position, and a coach who plays to manage the clock in such a way that he keeps games close and tries to win games at the end, I JUST AM NOT EXCITED.

To each his own, but it explains why I want him gone.

In terms of who could do a better job? Any quality coach who wants to be our coach for 10 years not 3, so that he will go about developing a franchise, young QB.

There are a bunch out there in my opinion, Jerry would just have to choose the right one.

Didn't Bill trade for Drew Henson? Didn't Bill select JJ.. and set up a future #1 in the process? Who says that Parcells wants to lose and be a one year wonder? Because Carson Palmer didn't take a snap in his first year.. did that mean that Marvin Lewis did not want a franchise QB.. or did he do what he thought was best for his development? I think you should let the situation play out a little..

[BlueWave]

I think this rift may have more to do with the QB position in general, than just Henson.

I see it like this, Jerry wants Henson to play so that he is ready to compete for the starting job next season. A few games this year could do wonders. Look at Eli. He'll be ready next year. Jerry is in it for the long haul, and is the general manager per say. So, he wants to make his money go as far as it can.

Parcells wants to go after Hasselbeck. He wants to keep Henson off the field so that he does not show enough this season that might make anyone think he will be ready for next season. That way, Parcells can go to Jerry after the season and ask for the big bucks to through at Hasselbeck. If Henson is an unknown, Jerry may be willing to part with big bucks for Hasselbeck, Parcells boy.

Here's the kicker, if Henson happened to see the field a few games and showed Jerry enough that Jerry might feel he could be ready next year, then no big money for Hasselbeck, Parcells boy. Therefore, Parcells is doing his best to make sure Henson doesn't see the field, that way he can get Hasselbeck, not have to worry about developing Henson, and maybe get a SuperBowl (in his mind) before he retires. Parcells will be gone in two or three years, so the cap situation is a non issue in his mind. While Jerry has to think about the big picture.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Further proof will soon come, when Parcells finds a way to split time between Henson and Romo in the last two games, that way neither one will have enough time to show enough to make Jerry comfortable going into next season without signing another QB.

[Fletch]

Credentials or not. This guy is like every other media idiot wanting to be one of the first to hope to get a story going. Sorry, but NOBODY outside of Dallas has a clue of what is going on behind closed doors at Valley Ranch.

And that is the way it should be. But don't worry, for all of you hoping for another story on a riff between Jones and Parcells, there will be plenty more during the offseason I'm sure. :rolleyes:

[Bach]

Get rid of Jerry Jones NOW, I've said this since 1997 when I lived in Japan.


If only it were that easy.

Jerry's main accomplishment was hiring Jimmy. We can all just be thankful they were college roommates at Arkansas, or we'd probably had Switzer as HC starting in '89 and would still be looking for our first Super Bowl win since the Landry era of the late '70's.