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HTownCowboysFan
12-19-2004, 06:22 AM
Good stuff....

Bill's plan built for average QB

By Jennifer Floyd Engel

Star-Telegram Staff Writer


IRVING - Almost every Monday this football season, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones walks into coach Bill Parcells' office to discuss what had happened and where they go next.

This past Monday, Jones asked his coach the question everybody wants to know: "What are we going to do at quarterback?"

"What are you going to put around the guy playing quarterback for the Cowboys?" Parcells asked back. "That's more important."

Three hours, and a bit of what Jones called "healthy tension" later, Parcells had explained that he did not want to play Drew Henson against Philadelphia today because Henson might be the Cowboys' starter in 2005. Parcells explained that there's a chance that the team will not have a franchise quarterback in place to start 2005, but if the Cowboys continue to hold out for the next Troy Aikman to build their team around, they risk being no closer to a Super Bowl four years from now.

What Parcells is selling is building the Cowboys to be solid enough to win with an average quarterback or to win while they wait for a young, inexperienced quarterback to develop into a franchise player.

Exactly like what Pittsburgh has done this season with Ben Roethlisberger.

"I really am on the same page as Bill on this," Jones said. "Now, there is a whole bunch of me that believes it starts with the quarterback, and I have been willing to play rookies and young quarterbacks, to pay the price and some of the negatives that go with that. But I really am a good listener, and Bill's point is, if you can't find a franchise quarterback, you don't go out of business until you do."

Jones said, as Parcells did Thursday, that there is a good chance the Cowboys could go into next season with Henson or Tony Romo as their starting quarterback. They will do this despite both having less than a game's worth of NFL experience (at this point). They also believe this plan is not mutually exclusive from going into next season trying to win.

Playmakers needed

"I don't feel the team is light years from being a competitive team," Parcells said. "I might have to try to alter some of the characters involved, but it's not like certain aspects of the team are not competitive -- and some at a very high level. I just don't feel like [changes are] going to have to be wholesale."

Which characters he's talking about is a discussion for another day. Parcells repeatedly has shied away from doing in-season individual evaluations of players, much less "state of the unions," while games remain to be played. Parcells is not a "next year" kind of coach, yet he acknowledges that his "outlook had changed" because "some people that have convinced me of what they are."

Or, in layman's terms, Parcells now has a better idea of which players he wants to build with and which ones he doesn't.

"Let me just put it this way: If I don't know what I need to do when this season is over, balance or no balance, then I would say someone else ought to be doing it," Parcells said. "I have the ability of evaluating what I have here and where we have to go and what we have to do."

On his lists of "must haves," "need to haves" and "wish to haves," the quarterback is somewhere in the middle. What the Cowboys need are playmakers -- on both sides of the ball.

They need a wide receiver who can stretch a defense. The right side of the offensive line needs help; neither Torrin Tucker nor Andre Gurode is on solid footing.

Their biggest need for playmakers, however, is on defense. The Cowboys are desperate for an end who can pressure the quarterback, a run-stuffing tackle, a cover cornerback and a young safety.

"I think you look around, and teams have been successful with average quarterbacks," Parcells said. "I haven't seen too many teams be successful without a pretty good defense. I've seen, in recent years, what you would term average at quarterback, take teams and win the Super Bowl. I don't mean that they're not good players, just that they aren't in the marquee group of people."

Going on the defensive

Parcells has hinted that maybe he was fooled by the defense. Based on what he saw in 2003, when the Cowboys ranked No. 1 defensively in the NFL, the coach went against his better judgment and decided big changes were not needed.

It is hard to break up a 10-6 playoff team. It will not be so hard to break up this team, which will finish 8-8 at best and might be 5-11.

The off-season will likely be busy for the Cowboys, with a lot of money being spent overhauling the defense. Parcells believes they had enough talent to be far better than they have been this season. He might experiment with the 3-4 defense, too.

Parcells has tried doing things the way others wanted. He is going to do things his way now.

What Parcells is not willing to do is overspend while overhauling.

"There has to be that coincidence of opportunity as well instead of just indiscriminately saying, 'Go get this guy. Go get that guy,' " Parcells said. "You can prevent yourself from rounding out your team successfully by constraining it economically in certain areas. But money is not going to be our problem. Finding what you need is what always is the problem."

At no position is this more evident than quarterback. Some teams have been searching for a Troy Aikman-like quarterback for what seems like forever. The San Diegos and Arizonas of the NFL have spent money and draft picks, devoted time and energy in trying to develop a franchise quarterback.

Parcells is trying to convince Jones that it is not always all about the quarterback.

"When you put a good thing around a Ben Roethlisberger, you see what can happen," Parcells said. "And when you don't put a good thing around whatever you got playing, quarterback doesn't show up. First of all, I don't know the options totally. The main thing I have to do, in lieu of not knowing that, is to concentrate on putting the best thing around that position that I can do. If we do that, improve our defense, our versatility on offense, our pass rush, our secondary, areas throughout the team, there's a chance that whoever is playing [quarterback] will have more success. That is what I am trying to do."

Jones is trying to convince Parcells that sometimes a team has to gamble that a Henson-like talent will develop into a franchise player.

Jones said the reason the Cowboys are not playing Henson against Philadelphia and have been reluctant to play him or Romo at other points of the season is because they do not want to plant evidence in their minds that neither Henson nor Romo can be the Cowboys' No. 1 QB. Jones still believes Henson might be a franchise quarterback.

"We are making the decision that, right now, we are better off not putting him out there," Jones said. "Can we deny a bad season or a bad start might influence us in the off-season? I can not. Frankly, Chad [Hutchinson] is not here because of how he played in [NFL] Europe. I think Henson and Romo have too much potential to base what we think of them on something that happens in Europe."

So, is Jones prepared to go into next season with Henson and/or Romo playing despite not seeing a lot of them this season?

"Yes," he said, "because that will be our only choice."

And, as he and Parcells discussed for almost three hours Monday, it is not necessarily what they will do at quarterback, but what they will put around the quarterback that matters most.

Yes, Parcells answered the question. Some people just don't want to hear it.

Charles
12-19-2004, 06:41 AM
Interesting

Isn't it amazing. Some of us have been preaching the same thing for the past 4 seasons but our reasoning or opinions were labelled as excuses.

How easily we forget the 10 year gap between Staubach and Troy. Frankly, the only reason the Cowboys didn't sink to the bottom of the league during that decade was because we had a HOF coach. We are in that position again.

MichaelWinicki
12-19-2004, 07:20 AM
Interesting

Isn't it amazing. Some of us have been preaching the same thing for the past 4 seasons but our reasoning or opinions were labelled as excuses.

How easily we forget the 10 year gap between Staubach and Troy. Frankly, the only reason the Cowboys didn't sink to the bottom of the league during that decade was because we had a HOF coach. We are in that position again.


Charles, hopefully you're not besmerching the reputation of Danny White with this one are you! LOL!

I know what you are saying, and there is a certain ring of truth to it.

Danny White was a decent enough talent, not a Roger or Troy, but he performed at a high level because he played within the system and had terrrific talent around him.

You surround any QB with players like Pat Donovan, Tony Hill, Drew, Butch Johnson, Tony Dorsett, Saldi and others and they have a chance to do really well.

And in my opinion the Cowboy's offense of the early 80's was the best they ever had... period. Even better than anything Roger or Troy put on the field.

Juke99
12-19-2004, 07:35 AM
Christmas with Mr and Mrs Hos....

http://austin.about.com/library/jhbart/cactus3.gif



Now, with regard to the above article....

Surely, common sense tells ya that while waiting for the next franchise QB a team can't just sit on it's hands and forfeit the season....but my concerns is, to what degree does Parcells devalue the QB position?

From what I've seen, I'm not particularly comfortable with his approach since coming to Dallas...not in word or deed.

Going back to the "busdriver" comment and watching the personnel moves he's made, I get the sense that Parcells thinks a pedestrian QB can win the SB.

Take a look at the top 5-6 teams this year and tell me one that has an average QB...

Take a look at the last ten years and do the same....

Will there be exceptions to the rule? Sure....the Ravens were a great example of that...

But typically, what you'll find is super bowl teams either have a good QB or a QB who's had a great season.

Now, that's not to say a franchise QB guarantees you a SuperBowl appearance...but it's more the rule than the exception that in TODAY'S NFL, quality teams have quality QB's.

Hostile
12-19-2004, 07:37 AM
That was a really good article. My only gripe with Parcells kid gloves treatment is that it seems to only be on offense.

He babies Crayton and Copper in favor of Dedric Ward who is simply horrible.

He babied Lee all season and it looked like he was going to baby Julius. That got derailed in a hurry. Thank goodness.

He has babied Henson and Romo, leaving us watching the dinosaur all season.

But on defense he has not been histant much at all.

Jacques Reeves
Nate Jones
Lance Frazier
Bruce Thornton
Kalen Thornton

All thrown out there and given shots.

Hostile
12-19-2004, 07:41 AM
Christmas with Mr and Mrs Hos....

http://austin.about.com/library/jhbart/cactus3.gif



The real ones are really pretty. Ya'll laugh, but we're damned festive out here in green Christmas land.

Traditional Christmas feasts out here include

Tamales
Posole
Sopapillas with honey

That's living I tell ya.

Twas The Night Before Christmas ArizonaStyle



"Twas the night before Christmas,
too hot for a blizzard,
Not a creature was stirring,
Not even the lizard!"

With me in my cut-offs
and Mom in her tube-tops,
I'm sweating and sunburned
I pray that the temp drops!

A fat guy was taken to the hospital today.
He was racing around
In a funny old sleigh!

Wearing red flannel from head to his toes!
Delivering presents
All covered with bows.

We think the heat got him,
caused him to fall
Off of our rooftop,
He bounced like a ball!

As the ambulance came,
I heard him yell,
"Forget Christmas out here,
It's hotter than HELL!"

Juke99
12-19-2004, 07:41 AM
Oh and btw, Winicki...

That Chirstmas tree looks like it should enroll in "Weight Watchers for Christmas Trees"

Chubby little critter... :eek:

Juke99
12-19-2004, 07:43 AM
The real ones are really pretty. Ya'll laugh, but we're damned festive out here in green Christmas land.

Traditional Christmas feasts out here include

Tamales
Posole
Sopapillas with honey

That's living I tell ya.


Do y'all celebrate Festivus???

http://www.karber.net/seinfeld/images/festivus91.gif

Charles
12-19-2004, 07:44 AM
Charles, hopefully you're not besmerching the reputation of Danny White with this one are you! LOL!

I know what you are saying, and there is a certain ring of truth to it.

Danny White was a decent enough talent, not a Roger or Troy, but he performed at a high level because he played within the system and had terrrific talent around him.

You surround any QB with players like Pat Donovan, Tony Hill, Drew, Butch Johnson, Tony Dorsett, Saldi and others and they have a chance to do really well.

And in my opinion the Cowboy's offense of the early 80's was the best they ever had... period. Even better than anything Roger or Troy put on the field.
I have always thougt that if Danny White had played for any other Franchise the rap on him would have been a whole lot different.

Hostile
12-19-2004, 07:48 AM
Do y'all celebrate Festivus???

http://www.karber.net/seinfeld/images/festivus91.gifIf it has a traditional Mexican meal we probably do. :cunning:

Nors
12-19-2004, 08:00 AM
There is a method to Bills madness -
He has answer at TE - Witten
He has answer at RB if healthy - Jones
Left side of Line and Center - Answer

??????????
Gurode and Tucker - not cutting it - needs address Rogers?
FB - Not a big part of Bills offense but we have not had one since Johnston
WR - Glenn, Morgan, Key - Copper we can get by in 2005


CB depth exposed us - had we a Veteran CB in offseason opposite maybe all those rokkie and untested players only saw spot duty. The lot of them not ready and they were roasted - are they better for the experience - maybe. I think Nate Jones and Frazier are servicable backups. Not starters.

That Parcells won't let JERRY play Henson is telling. We have the cast mostly in place - Its time to put Romo in there. Maybe give Henson a game if we are eliminated.

p1_
12-19-2004, 08:09 AM
That was a really good article. My only gripe with Parcells kid gloves treatment is that it seems to only be on offense.

He babies Crayton and Copper in favor of Dedric Ward who is simply horrible.

He babied Lee all season and it looked like he was going to baby Julius. That got derailed in a hurry. Thank goodness.

He has babied Henson and Romo, leaving us watching the dinosaur all season.

But on defense he has not been histant much at all.

Jacques Reeves
Nate Jones
Lance Frazier
Bruce Thornton
Kalen Thornton

All thrown out there and given shots.

only one of those defenders is not a db, and you and I both know why the rook dbs have been thrown into the fire. Not because of hypocrisy on Bill's part either. With Thorton, he's admitting that Wiley is not getting it done.

Dave_in-NC
12-19-2004, 08:17 AM
That was a really good article. My only gripe with Parcells kid gloves treatment is that it seems to only be on offense.

He babies Crayton and Copper in favor of Dedric Ward who is simply horrible.

He babied Lee all season and it looked like he was going to baby Julius. That got derailed in a hurry. Thank goodness.

He has babied Henson and Romo, leaving us watching the dinosaur all season.

But on defense he has not been histant much at all.

Jacques Reeves
Nate Jones
Lance Frazier
Bruce Thornton
Kalen Thornton

All thrown out there and given shots.

What choices did he have on Defense? The good news is hes starting to hint that Henson or Romo could end a long unsuccessful search for a QB.

wileedog
12-19-2004, 08:23 AM
Now, with regard to the above article....

Surely, common sense tells ya that while waiting for the next franchise QB a team can't just sit on it's hands and forfeit the season....but my concerns is, to what degree does Parcells devalue the QB position?

From what I've seen, I'm not particularly comfortable with his approach since coming to Dallas...not in word or deed.

Going back to the "busdriver" comment and watching the personnel moves he's made, I get the sense that Parcells thinks a pedestrian QB can win the SB.

Take a look at the top 5-6 teams this year and tell me one that has an average QB...

Take a look at the last ten years and do the same....

Will there be exceptions to the rule? Sure....the Ravens were a great example of that...

But typically, what you'll find is super bowl teams either have a good QB or a QB who's had a great season.

Now, that's not to say a franchise QB guarantees you a SuperBowl appearance...but it's more the rule than the exception that in TODAY'S NFL, quality teams have quality QB's.

All good stuff Juke, and I don't disagree with any of it.

But I will point out the flip side that the relentless search for the "franchise QB" has screwed up more teams than it has helped - look at the Bengals string of 1st round picks wasted on bust QBs. How much better a team would they have been long ago if impact players at other positions had been selected (who have a much lesser bust ratio) and they took the "bus driver" approach to QB while they rebuilt, then added their Carson Palmer?

Yes, many QBs like Troy have taken their lumps on bad teams for a few seasons and come out of it golden. BUt I don't think there is anything wrong with the other approach either - build a solid team, then add your QB as the finishing touch. Its an easier development process for the kid involved, and you can still win some games along the way with a solid D.

Its not necessarily "de-valuing" the QB position - as has been pointed out Bill has had or drafted quite a few good QBs - its just a different approach that requires a bit of patience from those of us starved for good QB with a star on his helmet again.

Given the comments we've heard the past couple of days, I'll go out on a limb right now and say that unless Drew blows up this offseason, or everyone was horribly, horribly wrong about him, Drew will start next year with a vet QB as backup. Hopefully we'll solidify the right side of the line for him, maybe add a new WR toy for him to play with, and overhaul the D in the process.

CaptainAmerica
12-19-2004, 08:24 AM
I see Bill's point, but imo, it is all about the QB, if you're talking Super Bowl contention. Where would the top teams be right now, if they just had a "bus driver" behind the wheel. While Bill can give examples of teams who made it without the marquee QB, those examples are few and are completely overwhelmed by the number of championships won by teams with elite QBs.

As for Bill saying you don't go out of business waiting to obtain the marquee qb, I do agree with the point he's making. The problem with that is, (as Jimmy Johnson said when he left the Fins), "the greatest obstacle to being great in this league is being good!"

MichaelWinicki
12-19-2004, 08:36 AM
Oh and btw, Winicki...

That Chirstmas tree looks like it should enroll in "Weight Watchers for Christmas Trees"

Chubby little critter... :eek:


LOL!

My wife's choice...

Pretty soon you'll know that kind of think there Juke. ;)

TooStupid
12-19-2004, 08:49 AM
Do y'all celebrate Festivus???

http://www.karber.net/seinfeld/images/festivus91.gifIt's a Festivus For the Rest-Of-Us! LOL

davidyee
12-19-2004, 09:08 AM
Christmas with Mr and Mrs Hos....

http://austin.about.com/library/jhbart/cactus3.gif



Now, with regard to the above article....

Surely, common sense tells ya that while waiting for the next franchise QB a team can't just sit on it's hands and forfeit the season....but my concerns is, to what degree does Parcells devalue the QB position?

From what I've seen, I'm not particularly comfortable with his approach since coming to Dallas...not in word or deed.

Going back to the "busdriver" comment and watching the personnel moves he's made, I get the sense that Parcells thinks a pedestrian QB can win the SB.

Take a look at the top 5-6 teams this year and tell me one that has an average QB...

Take a look at the last ten years and do the same....

Will there be exceptions to the rule? Sure....the Ravens were a great example of that...

But typically, what you'll find is super bowl teams either have a good QB or a QB who's had a great season.

Now, that's not to say a franchise QB guarantees you a SuperBowl appearance...but it's more the rule than the exception that in TODAY'S NFL, quality teams have quality QB's.

...let's hope that Bill has learned one thing from his son in law. In the time that he is with the Cowboys I don't mind seeing this team pick the odd QB in the third round and lower just to stockpile some potential at that position if the opportunity presents itself.

My prediction is that we will go into next season with a younger veteran QB than Vinny T. We have given him a fair shot here in Dallas and he has some glaring qualities our line talent can't overcome.

Next guy has to be able to throw on the run.

davidyee
12-19-2004, 09:13 AM
only one of those defenders is not a db, and you and I both know why the rook dbs have been thrown into the fire. Not because of hypocrisy on Bill's part either. With Thorton, he's admitting that Wiley is not getting it done.

...serious contenders without a pass rush. All discussions by us and Cowboys management leads one to believe that the CB position is not the area you spend your money on.

Therefore, I believe the difference maker is really on the line. That also hints that some philosophical changes have to be made to the defensive philosophy. I believe we will be seeing one of the biggest offseason changes in Big D in the past decade since Jimmah left. Namely, the defence.

junk
12-19-2004, 09:40 AM
...let's hope that Bill has learned one thing from his son in law. In the time that he is with the Cowboys I don't mind seeing this team pick the odd QB in the third round and lower just to stockpile some potential at that position if the opportunity presents itself.

My prediction is that we will go into next season with a younger veteran QB than Vinny T. We have given him a fair shot here in Dallas and he has some glaring qualities our line talent can't overcome.

Next guy has to be able to throw on the run.

I agree with a QB in the later rounds. I even have a name. Craig Ochs, QB, Montana. He is definitely a developmental type and I don't know if Dallas needs more of those around, but he's gamer and I would love to see him in Dallas.