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Is anyone planning on watching? It is suppose to be the most watched event ever.....
Bob Sacamano
07-07-2009, 11:31 AM
it would be funny if all the people who didn't care about Michael the last 10 years, watch it
WoodysGirl
07-07-2009, 11:57 AM
Is anyone planning on watching? It is suppose to be the most watched event ever.....
No. I'm too busy trying not to fall asleep at my desk.
bbgun
07-07-2009, 12:07 PM
No. I'm too busy trying not to fall asleep at my desk.
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big dog cowboy
07-07-2009, 12:21 PM
I don't really care that much about MJ but if I was home today I would watch.
FloridaRob
07-07-2009, 12:35 PM
I got it on right now. Right now a choir is singing Andre Crouchs Soon and Very soon.
I'm watching, I got a chill when they brought his casket in. Weird.
FloridaRob
07-07-2009, 12:38 PM
there are a few in the audience that are making sure their voices are heard. Real annoying.....
there are a few in the audience that are making sure their voices are heard. Real annoying.....
I know I was thinking the same thing. Mariah is sounding horrible right now.
FloridaRob
07-07-2009, 12:49 PM
Mariah did not sound great but she definetely gets a pass. From experience, singing at a funeral of somebody you love is the toughest thing to do.
I love this song by Lionel!!!
Your right about Mariah didn't take that into consideration.
FloridaRob
07-07-2009, 12:53 PM
sing it Lionel!!!
sing it Lionel!!!
Just awesome!!
FloridaRob
07-07-2009, 12:57 PM
all the brothers have a glove on their left hand. Nice tribute.
Loved Lionels song. They needed to take an offering right after tha. I think Andrae Crouch and his choir are the back up. Not bad backups....
all the brothers have a glove on their left hand. Nice tribute.
Loved Lionels song. They needed to take an offering right after tha. I think Andrae Crouch and his choir are the back up. Not bad backups....
It is a nice tribute. Now Stevie, he never lets you down.
Faerluna
07-07-2009, 02:15 PM
I am watching it, and it's been really wonderful. I'm also happy that I'm alone.
Who was the little girl who came up to the mic, cried, then walked off? I have the sound off.
Amazing memorial!! I think Michael would of be pleased!!
Highlights for me: Lionel Richie, Brooke Shields, Usher and Paris
Who was the little girl who came up to the mic, cried, then walked off? I have the sound off.
Paris, his daughter
mldardy
07-07-2009, 03:12 PM
Amazing memorial!! I think Michael would of be pleased!!
Highlights for me: Lionel Richie, Brooke Shields, Usher and Paris
I'd agree with this. I liked Magic(the fried chicken story was funny), Stevie(pretty much everytime he sings), Smokey(real sincere), Jermaine(I don't know how he did it but he held strong through that song).
CowboyWay
07-07-2009, 03:38 PM
Damn. Missed it. Anyone know if they're re-airing it???
Faerluna
07-07-2009, 03:39 PM
Damn. Missed it. Anyone know if they're re-airing it???
It will be re-airing on Dateline tonight, I believe.
Oh I forgot John Mayer, he did awesome job!!
WoodysGirl
07-07-2009, 05:39 PM
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MetalHead
07-07-2009, 06:13 PM
Is anyone planning on watching? It is suppose to be the most watched event ever.....
That was not Michael Jackson's memorial,that was the U.S.Media's funeral.
Aikbach
07-07-2009, 06:14 PM
Felt sympathy for the orphaned children, most everything else played out like a red carpet/ political who's who convention.
5Stars
07-07-2009, 06:30 PM
Felt sympathy for the orphaned children, most everything else played out like a red carpet/ political who's who convention.
Alot of people are getting exposure over this, that's for sure!
But, the hour or so that I saw of it, at the beginning, ( had to scoot to work out) the little I saw was pretty cool.
RIP - King of Pop
bbgun
07-07-2009, 06:36 PM
From tonight's newscast.
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berry gordy and brooke shields had the best speeches.
as much as i dislike al sharpton...he did pretty well too.
it was a very good memorial.
Passepartout
07-07-2009, 09:59 PM
They said expect 750M to watch globally! More than either Elvis or Princess Diane funeral.
Bob Sacamano
07-07-2009, 10:05 PM
what's Brooke Shield's relation to Jacko?
just curious?
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:06 PM
berry gordy and brooke shields had the best speeches.
as much as i dislike al sharpton...he did pretty well too.
it was a very good memorial.
Yeah Al's pretty annoying. I wonder if he has even met Michael Jackson?
I saw a little bit of it at my mother's house. They sent Michael off in style and when you are very famous and have a bunch of famous friends, that is always going to happen.
On another note, I was just reading an article on MSNBC that stated that the City of L.A. (you know the one that is strapped for cash) is going to have to pick up the tab.
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:08 PM
what's Brooke Shield's relation to Jacko?
just curious?
Brooke Shields was known for being a very close friend of entertainer Michael Jackson. Shields spoke at the memorial service for Michael Jackson on July 7, 2009 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, California. Shields stated in that speech that she first met Michael when she was 13 years old, and the two instantly became friends.[22] In her eulogy speech, she shared a number of anecdotes, including an occasion in which she was his date for one of Elizabeth Taylor's weddings, and the pair snuck into the Taylor's room to get the first look at her dress, only to discover Taylor asleep in the bed. Shields gave a tearful speech, referencing to the many times she and Michael Jackson shared. She also mentioned Jackson’s favorite song Smile (Charlie Chaplin song) by Charlie Chaplin which was later sung in the memorial service.[23]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Shields
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:10 PM
Dang, I didn't know Woody's Girl was going to be attending the festivities..must be nice :p: .
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what's Brooke Shield's relation to Jacko?
just curious?
childhood friends who were forced to grow up way too early..
they were great friends..her speech and tribute to michael was beautiful.
WoodysGirl
07-07-2009, 10:13 PM
Dang, I didn't know Woody's Girl was going to be attending the festivities..must be nice :p: .
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I look good, huh? :laugh2:
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 10:15 PM
They said expect 750M to watch globally! More than either Elvis or Princess Diane funeral.
Well, when you figure that technology has moved forward a bit in more than three decades since Elvis died, you'd think maybe there would be more viewers. Add to that the number of outlets as opposed to just the three broadcast networks at the time and there should be a bunch more seeing it.
I'm proud to say I wasn't one of the ones watching this travesty.
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:24 PM
I look good, huh? :laugh2:
Who was the guy that was singing with Mariah Carey? When I saw him on TV, I thought it was Johnny Gill but my sister said it wasn't him but didn't know who it was.
WoodysGirl
07-07-2009, 10:26 PM
Who was the guy that was singing with Mariah Carey? When I saw him on TV, I thought it was Johnny Gill but my sister said it wasn't him but didn't know who it was.
Trey Lorenz. He sung on the original Mariah Carey version.
He even had a CD. I actually have it.
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:28 PM
Trey Lorenz. He sung on the original Mariah Carey version.
He even had a CD. I actually have it.
Hmmm...never heard of him.
I need to put down the New Age and Japanese Anime Soundtracks and re-discover K104 and 97.9 :laugh2: .
WoodysGirl
07-07-2009, 10:29 PM
Hmmm...never heard of him.
I need to put down the New Age and Japanese Anime Soundtracks and re-discover K104 and 97.9 :laugh2: .
Aww man, he's old school.
Original Mariah Carey I'll be there
52d20PK_Kyk
Looking for the one video Trey Lorenz made.
Bob Sacamano
07-07-2009, 10:31 PM
Mariah Carey, soo hot, want to touch the hiney
I could probably beat up Nick Cannon
if anybody saw the little girl Paris, you would know that it wasnt a travesty
or a media circus or a waste of time and money
it was her daddys funeral.
if you choose to be upset over all the rest, you missed the point.
WoodysGirl
07-07-2009, 10:32 PM
Mariah Carey, soo hot, want to touch the hiney
I could probably beat up Nick Cannon
Thought you didn't like 'em thick?
Girlfriend is quite thick right about now.
WoodysGirl
07-07-2009, 10:34 PM
Hmmm...never heard of him.
I need to put down the New Age and Japanese Anime Soundtracks and re-discover K104 and 97.9 :laugh2: .
Ok, do you remember this song?
Ue3lfuEzzLc
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 10:35 PM
if anybody saw the little girl Paris, you would know that it wasnt a travesty
or a media circus or a waste of time and money
it was her daddys funeral.
if you choose to be upset over all the rest, you missed the point.
I didn't miss anything. The guy died a half a billion dollars in debt and he has a solid gold coffin. The family puts the state, which is broke by the way, in a position to ask people for help to pay for this circus. The guy was a pedophile and died because of a probable drug overdose and he is hailed as some kind of hero.
And yet, soldiers died this week as well and nary a word.
Yeah, I missed something alright.
And yeah, it was a travesty.
Bob Sacamano
07-07-2009, 10:35 PM
if anybody saw the little girl Paris, you would know that it wasnt a travesty
or a media circus or a waste of time and money
it was her daddys funeral.
if you choose to be upset over all the rest, you missed the point.
that's what even worse, subjecting her to all these people she doesn't know, cameras, the works
Thought you didn't like 'em thick?
Girlfriend is quite thick right about now.
nothing wrong with some thickity thick thick
if she crosses that line to fatty, I'll just get her on a treadmill
if anybody saw the little girl Paris, you would know that it wasnt a travesty
or a media circus or a waste of time and money
it was her daddys funeral.
if you choose to be upset over all the rest, you missed the point.
i agree
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:41 PM
I didn't miss anything. The guy died a half a billion dollars in debt and he has a solid gold coffin. The family puts the state, which is broke by the way, in a position to ask people for help to pay for this circus. The guy was a pedophile and died because of a probable drug overdose and he is hailed as some kind of hero.
And yet, soldiers died this week as well and nary a word.
Yeah, I missed something alright.
And yeah, it was a travesty.
Just curious, if this was Elvis Pressley's funeral (and if he would have died recently it would have been HUGE) would you be saying this?
I'm not saying Elvis because he is white or trying to make a racial issue, I just know you are a big fan of his (based on the other thread) and his stature is on par with Michael Jackson
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:46 PM
As I stated before, I don't know if I quite understand the mentality that says "More important things are going on and they are covering (insert celebrity of choice)'s funeral".
Folks, that is how society works. The Rich, Famous and Infamous are always going to get top billing. In the age of the Internet and 24 hour news network age, you are going to have this type of coverage when a super famous person dies.
People who dislike this better get ready because some INSANELY famous people like Muhammad Ali, Liz Taylor to name are few are up there in age and the coverage will be similar.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 10:47 PM
Just curious, if this was Elvis Pressley's funeral (and if he would have died recently it would have been HUGE) would you be saying this?
I'm not saying Elvis because he is white or trying to make a racial issue, I just know you are a big fan of his (based on the other thread) and his stature is on par with Michael Jackson
All things being equal, heck yeah. But it wasn't. IT didn't cost 4 million dollars to bury Elvis. He also didn't die broke. He further wasn't a pedophile. He did however abuse drugs so you are right, he is on par with MJ in that sense. And no, it isn't because MJ was black.
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Aww man, he's old school.
Original Mariah Carey I'll be there
52d20PK_Kyk
Looking for the one video Trey Lorenz made.
Still doesn't ring a bell. I'm shocked my sister didnt know.
On another note, I believe Mariah Carey's version of I'll be there is better is the best.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 10:50 PM
As I stated before, I don't know if I quite understand the mentality that says "More important things are going on and they are covering (insert celebrity of choice)'s funeral".
Folks, that is how society works. The Rich, Famous and Infamous are always going to get top billing. In the age of the Internet and 24 hour news network age, you are going to have this type of coverage when a super famous person dies.
People who dislike this better get ready because some INSANELY famous people like Muhammad Ali, Liz Taylor to name are few are up there in age and the coverage will be similar.
I would have no problem with someone like Ali. Or Taylor even. But once again, it needs to be stated for the record, neither one of them were pedophiles, nor, to our knowledge abused drugs.
And to give THIS kind of attention to someone who was all of the above is asinine. And while I KNOW this is going to happen, it doesn't change the fact that it's a travesty.
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:53 PM
All things being equal, heck yeah. But it wasn't. IT didn't cost 4 million dollars to bury Elvis. He also didn't die broke. He further wasn't a pedophile. He did however abuse drugs so you are right, he is on par with MJ in that sense. And no, it isn't because MJ was black.
I'm not saying you don't like it because MJ was black, I thought I made that clear in the Caveat.
I just suspect if it was Celebrity you liked, you wouldn't have a problem with the coverage.
If Elvis Pressley would have died in the Internet Age, it would have been HUGE and depending upon where his funeral was held it would cost some bucks for his funeral.
And yes, Mike did die broke but he had some very valuable assets and once liquidated should satisfy creditors.
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 10:56 PM
I would have no problem with someone like Ali. Or Taylor even. But once again, it needs to be stated for the record, neither one of them were pedophiles, nor, to our knowledge abused drugs.
And to give THIS kind of attention to someone who was all of the above is asinine. And while I KNOW this is going to happen, it doesn't change the fact that it's a travesty.
Michael Jackson was aquitted of all charges, even Bill O'Reilly was making this point.
[/Insert the cliched "But OJ was also acquitted" response here]
Just like everyone on this earth, the guy had demons. However, he did alot of good, so I am not going to judge him, that is for someone else to do.
theogt
07-07-2009, 10:57 PM
I would have no problem with someone like Ali. Or Taylor even. But once again, it needs to be stated for the record, neither one of them were pedophiles, nor, to our knowledge abused drugs.
And to give THIS kind of attention to someone who was all of the above is asinine. And while I KNOW this is going to happen, it doesn't change the fact that it's a travesty.The self-righteous anti-MJ types are getting pretty annoying. More so than the faux fans. And that's pretty bad.
Bob Sacamano
07-07-2009, 11:00 PM
I doubt many other celebrities will see this type of coverage after their deaths
Michael was huge, and weird, those two qualities attract alot of people, plus he was cut down in the prime of life
I think WG will respeck me now
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 11:04 PM
I'm not saying you don't like it because MJ was black, I thought I made that clear in the Caveat.
I just suspect if it was Celebrity you liked, you wouldn't have a problem with the coverage.
If Elvis Pressley would have died in the Internet Age, it would have been HUGE and depending upon where his funeral was held it would cost some bucks for his funeral.
And yes, Mike did die broke but he had some very valuable assets and once liquidated should satisfy creditors.
:laugh2:
You are missing the whole point. OK, so MJ broke even at the end. Yay for him. Great accomplishment for someone who had the world by the arse. But again, whether I liked him or not is irrelevant, (I actually did like some of his music) the point is that this thing that went on was a travesty in light of the current climate(California being broke), the state of the man's personal affairs (Drugs, pedophilia etc) and the fact that since he died, there has been an effort by his family to profit from his death. (See his father's interview at the BET awards a few days after his death. Side note, read about it, didn't see it myself)
At the end of the day, Elvis, John Wayne, or anyone else I liked, had they been in this very same situation, I would feel the same.
Maikeru-sama
07-07-2009, 11:05 PM
I doubt many other celebrities will see this type of coverage after their deaths
Michael was huge, and weird, those two qualities attract alot of people, plus he was cut down in the prime of life
Please.
When Anna Nicole Smith died, though it wasn't as big as Michael's, she got coverage for weeks and she was not even that famous.
When Elton John, Paul McCartney, Liz Taylor, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan etc etc die, it will be HUGE, especially Muhammad Ali.
Joe Rod
07-07-2009, 11:06 PM
I liked some of his songs, so thanks for that MJ!
Bob Sacamano
07-07-2009, 11:06 PM
Please.
bathroom is down the hall and around the corner
When Anna Nicole Smith died, though it wasn't as big as Michael's, she got coverage for weeks and she was not even that famous.
When Elton John, Paul McCartney, Liz Taylor, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan etc etc die, it will be HUGE, especially Muhammad Ali.
so all of them are going to have their coffins placed in a sports arena? riiiiiiight
I'm suprised that you don't believe that the suddeness of his death has people's emotions running higher than normal
and no fan is going to threaten, or actually commit suicide if any of them die, I can assure you of that
theogt
07-07-2009, 11:07 PM
I think Jordan will be huge. Paul McCartney maybe. The rest will get maybe a day's worth of coverage. Nothing like this.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 11:08 PM
Michael Jackson was aquitted of all charges, even Bill O'Reilly was making this point.
[/Insert the cliched "But OJ was also acquitted" response here]
Just like everyone on this earth, the guy had demons. However, he did alot of good, so I am not going to judge him, that is for someone else to do.
No he wasn't aquitted. He settled the three suits out of court. There is a huge difference. If O'reilly said that, he was wrong.
So if a guy does "alot of good, it excuses his "demons"? OK. I don't see it but OK.
As for someone else judging him...If you are talking about a righteous judgment then yes, but if you are talking biblical principle, you are wrong. We are called to judge the fruit.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 11:09 PM
The self-righteous anti-MJ types are getting pretty annoying. More so than the faux fans. And that's pretty bad.
I'm not anti MJ. I am anti stupidity. Forcing a broke state to spend 4 million dollars it doesn't have to glorify a pedophile is stupid.
theogt
07-07-2009, 11:11 PM
No he wasn't aquitted. He settled the three suits out of court. There is a huge difference. If O'reilly said that, he was wrong.
So if a guy does "alot of good, it excuses his "demons"? OK. I don't see it but OK.
As for someone else judging him...If you are talking about a righteous judgment then yes, but if you are talking biblical principle, you are wrong. We are called to judge the fruit.The first accusation, he wasn't ever charged.
The second accusation, he was charged and found not guilty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson
You've argued for days now about Michael Jackson and you've shown that you know so little about the guy. It's amazing how many people will argue about something they know nothing about. Just to argue, I guess.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 11:12 PM
Please.
When Anna Nicole Smith died, though it wasn't as big as Michael's, she got coverage for weeks and she was not even that famous.
When Elton John, Paul McCartney, Liz Taylor, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan etc etc die, it will be HUGE, especially Muhammad Ali.
With respect to ANS, she got coverage for the curiosity factor. She wasn't glorified as MJ is. Though strange you mention this because the same type of thing that killed her killed MJ. Odd how that works huh?
I agree with Ali. It will be huge.
theogt
07-07-2009, 11:13 PM
I'm not anti MJ. I am anti stupidity. Forcing a broke state to spend 4 million dollars it doesn't have to glorify a pedophile is stupid.Yup, more annoying.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 11:21 PM
The first accusation, he wasn't ever charged.
The second accusation, he was charged and found not guilty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson
You've argued for days now about Michael Jackson and you've shown that you know so little about the guy. It's amazing how many people will argue about something they know nothing about. Just to argue, I guess.
That was 1993. As recently as 5 years ago he settled out of court on the exact same charges. Seems like some people only want to argue a single point if it fits their agenda. And everything I mentioned int he other thread about him was backedup by facts and stats. And that was in relation to him and Elvis. MAybe you need some pills to help you remember things a bit better.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 11:22 PM
Yup, more annoying.
So you are all for glorifying the guy and foisting the bill on the state of California?
Yup, more stupidity.
mldardy
07-07-2009, 11:22 PM
Trey Lorenz. He sung on the original Mariah Carey version.
He even had a CD. I actually have it.
Yeah I remember Trey was the next big thing after everybody heard him sing. Him and Tevin Campbell both could sing but their careers didn't last long.
theogt
07-07-2009, 11:26 PM
So you are all for glorifying the guy and foisting the bill on the state of California?
Yup, more stupidity.Didn't watch it. Couldn't care less.
mldardy
07-07-2009, 11:27 PM
I think Jordan will be huge. Paul McCartney maybe. The rest will get maybe a day's worth of coverage. Nothing like this.
Ali will be huge especially with the athletes because of his influence on a lot of them.
theogt
07-07-2009, 11:35 PM
Ali will be huge especially with the athletes because of his influence on a lot of them.I just don't see it. And I'm a huge boxing fan. Sure he'll get coverage, the OxyClean guy got coverage, but it won't be huge.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 11:36 PM
Didn't watch it. Couldn't care less.
Then what are you moaning about? You seem to think this was just fine since you decided to attack my position on it.
theogt
07-07-2009, 11:38 PM
Then what are you moaning about? You seem to think this was just fine since you decided to attack my position on it.I'm moaning about exactly what I said -- the self-righteous people that go around screaming pedophile when the guy was never convicted.
Cajuncowboy
07-07-2009, 11:49 PM
I'm moaning about exactly what I said -- the self-righteous people that go around screaming pedophile when the guy was never convicted.
His sister said he would stay in a room with children for days at a time. MJ himself admitted he slept with children that were not his own. He was accused on several occasions of child molestation. He paid off the accusers. With all of that, you don't think he did it? OJ was never convicted either. (Shout out to Mick!)
theogt
07-07-2009, 11:56 PM
His sister said he would stay in a room with children for days at a time. MJ himself admitted he slept with children that were not his own. He was accused on several occasions of child molestation. He paid off the accusers. With all of that, you don't think he did it? OJ was never convicted either. (Shout out to Mick!)I don't know if he did or not. He wasn't convicted, though, after what seemed to be a rigorous investigation and trial. So obviously people with closer knowledge than you or I don't think he did beyond a reasonable doubt.
I know he's odd. That's obvious. And I know that being odd, he gets under the skin of most intolerant people.
Cajuncowboy
07-08-2009, 12:01 AM
I don't know if he did or not. He wasn't convicted, though, after what seemed to be a rigorous investigation and trial. So obviously people with closer knowledge than you or I don't think he did beyond a reasonable doubt.
I know he's odd. That's obvious. And I know that being odd, he gets under the skin of most intolerant people.
Umm, you realize that the reason he was acquitted was because the child didn't testify. You also realize MJ paid him off, right?
And Odd is one thing, heck Elvis was odd as well and I liked him. I think odd people make the world interesting. But when you go to extremes like sleeping with children and paying off those who accuse you, that's beyond odd.
EDIT:
Here's just one instance...
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1490772/20040904/jackson_michael.jhtml
theogt
07-08-2009, 12:10 AM
Umm, you realize that the reason he was acquitted was because the child didn't testify.I don't see how you can be certain either way. I think it might have something to do with the accuser and other witnesses telling conflicting stories. That and there not actually being any physical evidence. I'm not certain, though.
You also realize MJ paid him off, right?No, I didn't realize he paid him off. Do you have anything to support this? You seem to get your facts all wrong anyway, so it's not surprising if you'd be wrong here. You thought there were 3 cases (only 2). You thought he wasn't acquitted (he was). You thought he wasn't a "musician" (he writes his own music). Just a bunch of ranting about something you know very little about, it seems.
And Odd is one thing, heck Elvis was odd as well and I liked him. I think odd people make the world interesting. But when you go to extremes like sleeping with children and paying off those who accuse you, that's beyond odd.Yeah, I get that you're convinced and on some uber-annoying personal crusade. Good luck with that.
Cajuncowboy
07-08-2009, 12:30 AM
I don't see how you can be certain either way. I think it might have something to do with the accuser and other witnesses telling conflicting stories. That and there not actually being any physical evidence. I'm not certain, though.
No, I didn't realize he paid him off. Do you have anything to support this? You seem to get your facts all wrong anyway, so it's not surprising if you'd be wrong here. You thought there were 3 cases (only 2). You thought he wasn't acquitted (he was). You thought he wasn't a "musician" (he writes his own music). Just a bunch of ranting about something you know very little about, it seems.
Yeah, I get that you're convinced and on some uber-annoying personal crusade. Good luck with that.
First if you choose to believe he was innocent then fine. So is OJ.
Second you may want to read the first sentence..
http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/jackson-boy-accuses-father-of-abuse/2006/09/05/1157222107403.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Third, here is the third case:
PDF dated 2005
http://www.onpointnews.com/docs/kapon.pdf
That makes 1990, 1993 and 2005. 1+1+1=3
And I never said he wasn't a musician. I asked if he wrote his music or played an instrument because I didn't know. You seem to make more out of things than they are.
And I am on no crusade other than to opine over the silly expenditure on someone of Jackson's ilk in a time when we are in such a bad economy, especially in California.
And if it's so annoying why do you continue to read. All that is happening here is you are giving me more opportunity to prove my point.
Maikeru-sama
07-08-2009, 08:21 AM
His sister said he would stay in a room with children for days at a time. MJ himself admitted he slept with children that were not his own. He was accused on several occasions of child molestation. He paid off the accusers. With all of that, you don't think he did it? OJ was never convicted either. (Shout out to Mick!)
:laugh2:
Maikeru-sama
07-08-2009, 08:38 AM
I just don't see it. And I'm a huge boxing fan. Sure he'll get coverage, the OxyClean guy got coverage, but it won't be huge.
Sure but when you talk about Muhammad Ali, you are talking about more than just boxing.
FloridaRob
07-08-2009, 04:47 PM
I wonder if all the people that state how MJ was so misunderstood and would hever hurt a child would have a problem wiht their kids or grandkids spending the ngiht at his pad.
If the kid sneaks into Elizabeth Taylors room with Brooke Shieldes with the only intention of looking at Taylors Wedding Dress, then something is defintely not right with him. Not that there is anything wrong with that....
MC KAos
07-08-2009, 04:57 PM
come on cajun, you really think that if the state of california had its way they wanted this to happen outside of their state? or the city of LA??? do you realize how much more money the city made, uncluding the influx of people, the added business to local restaurants, hotels, etc? im sure the economic impact of the funeral being in LA far outweighed the extra 2 million they spent on security.
as for him being a child molestor, he was never found guilty of anything, and although that doesnt mean he is innocent, it also doesnt mean he is guilty. I think its fine that you have your opinion about him but i just think that he was a little child inside and he just hung out with little kids to fulfill his childhood that he never had. Did he sleep with kids that werent his? maybe but i dont think he had malicious intent when doing so, like he wanted to sexually abuse those kids, he was just innocent minded, IMO and didnt think things through, something he is clearly guilty of.
i will agree with you that its a shame that it gets so much coverage and it shouldnt be that way because of other things goin on in the world, like the crisis in china, that need to get our attention. unfortunately our society is obsessed with celebrities such as michael and britney, etc. they drive up ratings, they are what the news is giving us. its the sad truth
MC KAos
07-08-2009, 05:01 PM
I wonder if all the people that state how MJ was so misunderstood and would hever hurt a child would have a problem wiht their kids or grandkids spending the ngiht at his pad.
If the kid sneaks into Elizabeth Taylors room with Brooke Shieldes with the only intention of looking at Taylors Wedding Dress, then something is defintely not right with him. Not that there is anything wrong with that....
i wouldnt let my son spend the night at tim tebow's or mother theresa's house either. I dont know them personally, if i knew michael personally then maybe id know wether he is a pervert or not
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Cajuncowboy
07-08-2009, 06:33 PM
come on cajun, you really think that if the state of california had its way they wanted this to happen outside of their state? or the city of LA??? do you realize how much more money the city made, uncluding the influx of people, the added business to local restaurants, hotels, etc? im sure the economic impact of the funeral being in LA far outweighed the extra 2 million they spent on security.
as for him being a child molestor, he was never found guilty of anything, and although that doesnt mean he is innocent, it also doesnt mean he is guilty. I think its fine that you have your opinion about him but i just think that he was a little child inside and he just hung out with little kids to fulfill his childhood that he never had. Did he sleep with kids that werent his? maybe but i dont think he had malicious intent when doing so, like he wanted to sexually abuse those kids, he was just innocent minded, IMO and didnt think things through, something he is clearly guilty of.
i will agree with you that its a shame that it gets so much coverage and it shouldnt be that way because of other things goin on in the world, like the crisis in china, that need to get our attention. unfortunately our society is obsessed with celebrities such as michael and britney, etc. they drive up ratings, they are what the news is giving us. its the sad truth
Here's some pixie dust...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3m65KNJ6jVQ/RrsqZXq7VwI/AAAAAAAAALM/hHb9yk4GA4M/s400/peter_pan.jpg
Oh, and he admitted to sleeping with children.
And if the circus was such a boon to the economy of California, (It was 4 million dollars by the way) why is the state of California asking people to help pay for it?
big dog cowboy
07-08-2009, 07:03 PM
Morgan Freeman to wed step-granddaughter???
Cajuncowboy
07-08-2009, 07:17 PM
Morgan Freeman to wed step-granddaughter???
Well, this certainly fits in this thread.
:bow:
Faerluna
07-08-2009, 08:48 PM
Back onto the subject of this thread instead of the tired, old arguing...
The program from the memorial:
http://wizbangpop.com/2009/07/07/michael-jackson-memorial-program.php
MC KAos
07-09-2009, 12:47 AM
Here's some pixie dust...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3m65KNJ6jVQ/RrsqZXq7VwI/AAAAAAAAALM/hHb9yk4GA4M/s400/peter_pan.jpg
Oh, and he admitted to sleeping with children.
And if the circus was such a boon to the economy of California, (It was 4 million dollars by the way) why is the state of California asking people to help pay for it?
distorting the truth to fit your agenda? typical, it was actually not even 2 million
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/08/michael.jackson.cost/index.html
trickblue
07-09-2009, 12:53 AM
Icon? Without a doubt...
Hero? No way!!!
I really liked his music, but he was his own worst enemy...
Cajuncowboy
07-09-2009, 06:58 AM
distorting the truth to fit your agenda? typical, it was actually not even 2 million
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/08/michael.jackson.cost/index.html
LOL
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/07/entertainment/main5140123.shtml
BTW, the estimates were leading up to the funeral. Your link was from yesterday and as it turned out it was nearly 1.5 million. Still way too much money for a city that is in debt over a half billion dollars. AS your own link says, when the Lakers had their "celebration" it cost the city 2 mil. and they reimbured the city. Think the Jackson circus will do the same?
MC KAos
07-09-2009, 10:11 AM
LOL
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/07/entertainment/main5140123.shtml
BTW, the estimates were leading up to the funeral. Your link was from yesterday and as it turned out it was nearly 1.5 million. Still way too much money for a city that is in debt over a half billion dollars. AS your own link says, when the Lakers had their "celebration" it cost the city 2 mil. and they reimbured the city. Think the Jackson circus will do the same?
i wish they would, it would be nice, but i doubt it. but i still think the city was happy it happened there because of all the added business.
MC KAos
07-09-2009, 10:12 AM
Icon? Without a doubt...
Hero? No way!!!
I really liked his music, but he was his own worst enemy...
great post
WoodysGirl
07-09-2009, 02:46 PM
Didn't want to create a new thread...
LIFTING THE VEIL ON JACKO'S KIDS
INSIDE THEIR STRANGE & AMAZING FANTASY LIVES AT NEVERLAND
By DAVID K. LI and LACHLAN CARTWRIGHT IN LOS ANGELES AND CHUCK BENNETT IN NEW YORK
Last updated: 11:20 am
July 9, 2009
Posted: 3:10 am
July 9, 2009
Michael Jackson's sudden death may give his three beloved children something he could never provide -- a chance to be themselves.
The King of Pop devoted his life to creating a fairy-tale Never Neverland for his three young heirs, a world where the reality around them was hidden behind masks or the burly frames of professional bodyguards.
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Ongoing Michael Jackson Coverage
Prince Michael Joseph, 12, Paris Michael, 11, and Prince Michael II, a k a "Blanket," 7, have never attended a day of school. They've never known a neighborhood friend. They sleep together in the same room. And the only outsiders they know are strangers their father would bring in to entertain them.
Last Christmas Eve, Jacko and his dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, -- the suspected father of the two oldest children -- arranged for Carrie Fisher to surprise the kids by reprising her role as Princess Leia in "Star Wars" at their rental mansion in Holmby Hills, Calif.
"Michael brought the kids down in their pajamas and said, 'This is Princess Leia,' " said family friend Stephen Price. "They were so excited! She did her famous speech for them -- the 'Help me, Obi-Wan' speech."
"They are the greatest kids you'll ever meet," Price told Us Weekly of the Jackson kids. "They didn't act like they had silver spoons in their mouths. They are nice and not Hollywood brats. Paris is very polite, a little reserved. Prince is the most outgoing. And Blanket is a sharp kid, but also pretty quiet. When I asked what he wanted for Christmas, he said, 'I just want a stuffed animal.' "
To entertain his kids, Jacko would often take them on midnight shopping sprees in stores specially opened just for them. They hopscotched around the globe from California to Las Vegas to Bahrain to Ireland to New Jersey to Switzerland.
He showered the children with indulgences. In 2007, he shut down parts of the New York, New York Hotel in Las Vegas so he and the kids could play video games and ride the roller coaster. And the kids would show up bleary-eyed at bookshops and toy stores around the world for private shopping sprees at 2 or 3 a.m.
They ate Jackson's favorite -- KFC -- for lunch and dinner.
"Prince I, Paris and Prince II were his life," Michael's longtime pal Dieter Wiesner told Life & Style. "He made breakfast for them -- a lot of people don't know this side of Michael."
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Perhaps best of all from a child's perspective -- no school.
"I'm going to build a computer school on the grounds [of Neverland]," Jackson said in an interview. "How can they go into society? He's Prince Michael Jackson. She's Paris Katherine Michael Jackson. It would be too difficult."
He also fathered by example -- and showed them how to take responsibility for themselves, one record producer told Jackson biographer J. Randy Taraborrelli. Prince Michael once spilled popcorn on the studio floor, and the producer bent over to clean up the mess, fearing Jacko would have a diva-like tantrum.
Instead, the megastar apologized.
"He's my kid. I'll clean up after him," Jackson said, according to Taraborrelli.
The producer recalled, "I looked down and there's Michael Jackson on his hands and knees picking up his son's popcorn. I'm not sure you would see Madonna doing that."
Jackson did his best to prevent his kids from becoming brats, friends said.
"He wanted them to have a chance at a childhood which he never had," friend Price recalled. "He wanted to make sure they played, because they are kids first and foremost. He made sure they were taken care of, but he understood the difference between a need and a want. He knew to give them a solid foundation to be good people, and that's what I saw in these kids: bright, intelligent, good people."
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Others in Jackson's inner circle agreed.
"He wasn't a disciplinarian but he didn't let the kids run the roost or be spoiled rotten," Stuart Backerman, a former adviser and publicist for Jackson from 2002 to 2004, told The Post.
He recalled a moment in 2004 when he walked through Neverland's kitchen and a 6-year-old Paris spit out her food -- drawing a quietly stern reaction from Jackson.
"Michael looked up and told her, 'We don't spit out food and we don't talk badly about other people in this house, and we have good manners,' " Backerman recalled.
"It didn't mean anything to me at the time, but now as I look back, it reminds me what kind of parent he was."
Jackson insiders say their eccentric father did his best to instill a steely self-confidence in his children.
Jackson's 11-year-old daughter, Paris Michael, exemplified that strength when she took the microphone at his memorial service on Tuesday to say before a crowd of 20,000 -- and millions watching worldwide -- "Daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine."
"Without getting over-mushy about it, it might have shown Jackson did a pretty damn good job raising those kids," Backerman said. "She's no shrinking violet, this kid, as you saw. She might have been hidden by veils and skulking around because of the privacy issues all these years, but she showed herself to be a maturing preteen girl."
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Still, there was much to be concerned about.
Elvis Presley's daughter, Lisa Marie, was Jacko's first wife and refused to have his babies.
She said that the King of Pop was too emotionally immature to raise a child. The two were divorced within two years of their marriage.
Prince Michael Joseph and Paris Michael were born after Jackson's second wife, Debbie Rowe, the nurse at his dermatology clinic, was artificially inseminated.
Rowe played no part in the children's lives, but she has hinted at a custody challenge in the wake of Jackson's death.
News reports have said the sperm donor may well have been Klein, Rowe's boss who has been oddly close to the children, although he denied those reports yesterday.
"We never saw [Rowe]," a Neverland staffer told Jackson biographer Taraborrelli of life after Prince Michael was born in 1997.
"The baby was cared for by a team of six nannies and six nurses, who worked in shifts so that there were always two nurses and two nannies by his side. They were kept under constant video surveillance, which was monitored by members of Jackson's security team.
"The day team did exercise drills with the baby to build up his strength. The night team read and sang to him. But it was as if he had no mother," Taraborrelli reported.
Another nanny said the air quality in Prince Michael's room was measured hourly, all utensils were thrown away after every use, and toys were tossed each night to be replaced the next day.
Next Monday, Judge Mitchell Beckloff of Los Angeles Superior Court will hear Michael's mother Katherine Jackson's petition for permanent custody of the kids.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07092009/news/nationalnews/lifting_the_veil_on_jackos_kids_178330.htm?page=0
Bob Sacamano
07-09-2009, 04:32 PM
Didn't want to create a new thread...
LIFTING THE VEIL ON JACKO'S KIDS
INSIDE THEIR STRANGE & AMAZING FANTASY LIVES AT NEVERLAND
By DAVID K. LI and LACHLAN CARTWRIGHT IN LOS ANGELES AND CHUCK BENNETT IN NEW YORK
Last updated: 11:20 am
July 9, 2009
Posted: 3:10 am
July 9, 2009
Michael Jackson's sudden death may give his three beloved children something he could never provide -- a chance to be themselves.
The King of Pop devoted his life to creating a fairy-tale Never Neverland for his three young heirs, a world where the reality around them was hidden behind masks or the burly frames of professional bodyguards.
PHOTOS: Michael Jackson Memorial Service
Ongoing Michael Jackson Coverage
Prince Michael Joseph, 12, Paris Michael, 11, and Prince Michael II, a k a "Blanket," 7, have never attended a day of school. They've never known a neighborhood friend. They sleep together in the same room. And the only outsiders they know are strangers their father would bring in to entertain them.
Last Christmas Eve, Jacko and his dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, -- the suspected father of the two oldest children -- arranged for Carrie Fisher to surprise the kids by reprising her role as Princess Leia in "Star Wars" at their rental mansion in Holmby Hills, Calif.
"Michael brought the kids down in their pajamas and said, 'This is Princess Leia,' " said family friend Stephen Price. "They were so excited! She did her famous speech for them -- the 'Help me, Obi-Wan' speech."
"They are the greatest kids you'll ever meet," Price told Us Weekly of the Jackson kids. "They didn't act like they had silver spoons in their mouths. They are nice and not Hollywood brats. Paris is very polite, a little reserved. Prince is the most outgoing. And Blanket is a sharp kid, but also pretty quiet. When I asked what he wanted for Christmas, he said, 'I just want a stuffed animal.' "
To entertain his kids, Jacko would often take them on midnight shopping sprees in stores specially opened just for them. They hopscotched around the globe from California to Las Vegas to Bahrain to Ireland to New Jersey to Switzerland.
He showered the children with indulgences. In 2007, he shut down parts of the New York, New York Hotel in Las Vegas so he and the kids could play video games and ride the roller coaster. And the kids would show up bleary-eyed at bookshops and toy stores around the world for private shopping sprees at 2 or 3 a.m.
They ate Jackson's favorite -- KFC -- for lunch and dinner.
"Prince I, Paris and Prince II were his life," Michael's longtime pal Dieter Wiesner told Life & Style. "He made breakfast for them -- a lot of people don't know this side of Michael."
VIDEO: Brooke Shields Remembers Michael Jackson
Video: Jackson's Daughter's Sad Goodbye
Perhaps best of all from a child's perspective -- no school.
"I'm going to build a computer school on the grounds [of Neverland]," Jackson said in an interview. "How can they go into society? He's Prince Michael Jackson. She's Paris Katherine Michael Jackson. It would be too difficult."
He also fathered by example -- and showed them how to take responsibility for themselves, one record producer told Jackson biographer J. Randy Taraborrelli. Prince Michael once spilled popcorn on the studio floor, and the producer bent over to clean up the mess, fearing Jacko would have a diva-like tantrum.
Instead, the megastar apologized.
"He's my kid. I'll clean up after him," Jackson said, according to Taraborrelli.
The producer recalled, "I looked down and there's Michael Jackson on his hands and knees picking up his son's popcorn. I'm not sure you would see Madonna doing that."
Jackson did his best to prevent his kids from becoming brats, friends said.
"He wanted them to have a chance at a childhood which he never had," friend Price recalled. "He wanted to make sure they played, because they are kids first and foremost. He made sure they were taken care of, but he understood the difference between a need and a want. He knew to give them a solid foundation to be good people, and that's what I saw in these kids: bright, intelligent, good people."
Video: Marlon Jackson Remembers Michael
VIDEO: Procession to Memorial Service
Get MORE Michael Jackson Video Coverage
Others in Jackson's inner circle agreed.
"He wasn't a disciplinarian but he didn't let the kids run the roost or be spoiled rotten," Stuart Backerman, a former adviser and publicist for Jackson from 2002 to 2004, told The Post.
He recalled a moment in 2004 when he walked through Neverland's kitchen and a 6-year-old Paris spit out her food -- drawing a quietly stern reaction from Jackson.
"Michael looked up and told her, 'We don't spit out food and we don't talk badly about other people in this house, and we have good manners,' " Backerman recalled.
"It didn't mean anything to me at the time, but now as I look back, it reminds me what kind of parent he was."
Jackson insiders say their eccentric father did his best to instill a steely self-confidence in his children.
Jackson's 11-year-old daughter, Paris Michael, exemplified that strength when she took the microphone at his memorial service on Tuesday to say before a crowd of 20,000 -- and millions watching worldwide -- "Daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine."
"Without getting over-mushy about it, it might have shown Jackson did a pretty damn good job raising those kids," Backerman said. "She's no shrinking violet, this kid, as you saw. She might have been hidden by veils and skulking around because of the privacy issues all these years, but she showed herself to be a maturing preteen girl."
Follow The Post on Twitter!
PHOTOS: JACKSON FANS AROUND THE WORLD
Still, there was much to be concerned about.
Elvis Presley's daughter, Lisa Marie, was Jacko's first wife and refused to have his babies.
She said that the King of Pop was too emotionally immature to raise a child. The two were divorced within two years of their marriage.
Prince Michael Joseph and Paris Michael were born after Jackson's second wife, Debbie Rowe, the nurse at his dermatology clinic, was artificially inseminated.
Rowe played no part in the children's lives, but she has hinted at a custody challenge in the wake of Jackson's death.
News reports have said the sperm donor may well have been Klein, Rowe's boss who has been oddly close to the children, although he denied those reports yesterday.
"We never saw [Rowe]," a Neverland staffer told Jackson biographer Taraborrelli of life after Prince Michael was born in 1997.
"The baby was cared for by a team of six nannies and six nurses, who worked in shifts so that there were always two nurses and two nannies by his side. They were kept under constant video surveillance, which was monitored by members of Jackson's security team.
"The day team did exercise drills with the baby to build up his strength. The night team read and sang to him. But it was as if he had no mother," Taraborrelli reported.
Another nanny said the air quality in Prince Michael's room was measured hourly, all utensils were thrown away after every use, and toys were tossed each night to be replaced the next day.
Next Monday, Judge Mitchell Beckloff of Los Angeles Superior Court will hear Michael's mother Katherine Jackson's petition for permanent custody of the kids.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07092009/news/nationalnews/lifting_the_veil_on_jackos_kids_178330.htm?page=0
damn, I feel kind of bad now
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