Guys think Roys cheap?

[Dave_in-NC]

What about what Darius did? He sprained Furgusons neck. He said he was going for the ball, yeah ok.

Roy made a legal play, Darius cheap shotted a guy and about broke his neck.
Whats really sad is that Owens leg is getting more news than Furgusons sprained neck.

[Doomsday101]

What about what Darius did? He sprained Furgusons neck. He said he was going for the ball, yeah ok.

Roy made a legeal play, Darius cheap shotted a guy and about broke his neck.
Whats really sad is that Owens leg is getting more news than Furgusons sprained neck.

I agree with you, what Darius did was not only a cheap shot it was a dangerous act. The hit was outlawed after Daryl Stingly was paralyzed by the hit of Jack Tatum

[AJM1613]

Neither one was a cheap shot. Darius reached up, went for the ball and when he realized he missed he did what he could to bring the receiver down.

And no that has nothing to do with my extreme bias for Syracuse grads. ;)

[Everlastingxxx]

No, but he is to be feared.

[THEHEREAFTER]

My issue is that the intesity of the discussion of Roy's hit has gone up based on the outcome of T.O.'s injury.. people shouldn't judge the tackle worse now because T.O's out for the year.. It was a clean hit..

[jimmy40]

I agree with you, what Darius did was not only a cheap shot it was a dangerous act. The hit was outlawed after Daryl Stingly was paralyzed by the hit of Jack TatumJack Tatum didn't clothesline Daryl Stingley. Jack Tatum clotheslined Lynn Swann.

[Dave_in-NC]

Neither one was a cheap shot. Darius reached up, went for the ball and when he realized he missed he did what he could to bring the receiver down.

And no that has nothing to do with my extreme bias for Syracuse grads. ;)

Roys hit didnt get him fifteen yards, ejection, a definite fine and most likely a suspension. I dont think any one is buying Dariuses excuse. :D

[Fletch]

What about what Darius did? He sprained Furgusons neck. He said he was going for the ball, yeah ok.

Roy made a legal play, Darius cheap shotted a guy and about broke his neck.
Whats really sad is that Owens leg is getting more news than Furgusons sprained neck.

Darius will be a free agent next year right? Would love to see him with a STAR on his helmet. Would be awesome to see Roy and Darius patrolling the secondary next year.

Trained killers I tell ya! :D

[scottsp]

Iggle fans themselves can't honestly say Roy is cheap for that. I've talked with many today and they obviously hate the situation, but don't really blame Roy. As they shouldn't.

But they hate Dallas EVEN MORE NOW. And that much is greatness.

[Dave_in-NC]

Darius will be a free agent next year right? Would love to see him with a STAR on his helmet. Would be awesome to see Roy and Darius patrolling the secondary next year.

Trained killers I tell ya! :D

Hmmmmmm :D

[boysfanindc]

My issue is that the intesity of the discussion of Roy's hit has gone up based on the outcome of T.O.'s injury.. people shouldn't judge the tackle worse now because T.O's out for the year.. It was a clean hit..

Roy did not hit anyone, he grabbed his shoulder pads and pulled him to the ground.

[DOOMSDAYREBORN]

Let' s see him dance on the star now. I did not think it was a cheap hit at all but I do find it strange that Roy ended Calico (Tenn WR) season the same way.

Peace

[ghst187]

I didn't think Darius's tackle was intentionally going after the head. He had clearly misjudged the ball and was going to completely miss the tackle too if he didn't reach out for something, it just so happened that it took off dude's head. I thought ejecting him was way too much. It's a freaking violent game people! Don't be surprised when people get hurt.
If I were Del Rio, I wouldn't say anything negative to Darius about his hit. The League babies the WRs anyway, even more since Gayton Manning's whining.

[phdefense]

I do not think Roy is cheap, but if that technique continues to have the same result I think Roy should adjust what he is doing.

[ManicDepressiveMan]

I do not think Roy is cheap, but if that technique continues to have the same result I think Roy should adjust what he is doing.


Put me on your list also. :iggles:

:p @ T.O.

Me too. I think he should do it MORE.

Good grief its football. RW is a force because guys are scared of him. If you took that away from Tatum and Lott they might not have lasted in the NFL. You can't take it away from RW either.

I like the fact that like Ray Lewis in BMore, Dallas has a player who will cause most NFL players to think twice about going over the middle or showboating.

TO's injury is crushing to Philly but the guy was dancing and preening just earlier this year in Dallas so I have no remorse for him at all.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, Manning handed the ball off when he could have tried for a passing TD to set a record thus gaining my respect.

[scottsp]

I do not think Roy is cheap, but if that technique continues to have the same result I think Roy should adjust what he is doing.

Mwaaaahaaaaaah. What a woman. You can tell who has never put on the pads here.

[Cbz40]

I do not think Roy is cheap, but if that technique continues to have the same result I think Roy should adjust what he is doing.


You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[phdefense]

Mwaaaahaaaaaah. What a woman. You can tell who has never put on the pads here.

Actually I have but if everyone starts doing this there are not going to be any players left genius. This technique has now caused 3 season ending low leg injuries this year. This is not about intent it is about results of this technique.

[scottsp]

Riiiiight.

How about we play with flags instead? Make ya happy?

Since Lawrence Taylor all but ended Joe Theismann's career on a sack, should we put red shirts on the quarterback?

Wow, even grass can kill a career. Lots and lots or ACL's torn up there. Once saw the great James Wilder pop his knees on the green at the Big Sombrero. Should we play in a swimming pool?

You want to gripe about unnecessary roughness a la Charles Martin on Jim McMahon, then I'm with you. But when there's obviously no intent to injure, we really need to give it a rest.

[scottsp]

If you're really going to take issue with that hit, I seriously have to question your football IQ. This must be shtick. You really can't be serious.

Ohhh the humanity!

[phdefense]

Riiiiight.

How about we play with flags instead? Make ya happy?

Since Lawrence Taylor all but ended Joe Theismann's career on a sack, should we put red shirts on the quarterback?

Wow, even grass can kill a career. Lots and lots or ACL's torn up there. Once saw the great James Wilder pop his knees on the green at the Big Sombrero. Should we play in a swimming pool?

You want to gripe about unnecessary roughness a la Charles Martin on Jim McMahon, then I'm with you. But when there's obviously no intent to injure, we really need to give it a rest.

It "used" to be legal to clothes line people too and use stickum and "real men " didn't play with pads remember or face masks and and and um.....

Things change and usually for a reason. Try looking at things objectivly. Eventually this is going to end up getting one of ours too.

[phdefense]

If you're really going to take issue with that hit, I seriously have to question your football IQ. This must be shtick. You really can't be serious.

Ohhh the humanity!


You are questioning my football IQ when you do not know the difference in a "hit" and a tackle? He did not "hit T.O. at all.

[scottsp]

Semantical arguments aside, pretty weak retort.

Okay, take down. Better?

[scottsp]

It "used" to be legal to clothes line people too and use stickum and "real men " didn't play with pads remember or face masks and and and um.....

Things change and usually for a reason. Try looking at things objectivly. Eventually this is going to end up getting one of ours too.

So you admit your preference of flags over pads. That's all I wanted to know.

[Eskimo]

I don't see how you can prevent people from making this tackle - it is not inherently aggressive. I don't really recall other people getting injured so much when other people make the tackle.

[TooStupid]

What about what Darius did? He sprained Furgusons neck. He said he was going for the ball, yeah ok.

Roy made a legal play, Darius cheap shotted a guy and about broke his neck.
Whats really sad is that Owens leg is getting more news than Furgusons sprained neck.Darius tried to make a play by taking a bad angle, I personally don't know much about the guy, but personally viewed it far from cheap.

[phdefense]

So you admit your preference of flags over pads. That's all I wanted to know.

I will admit that if an injury can be prevented then it should. That "is" why they wear pads and helmets after all. That 'is" why they have started using the new turf at stadiums.

[jay cee]

Mwaaaahaaaaaah. What a woman. You can tell who has never put on the pads here.


LOL Scottsp. All this time, I've thought I was a hetero guy, to find out after 10 years of marriage and two kids that I must be a lesbian female is quite a shock. :D And I guess I must have been playing padless in high school and college.

Because I said after Williams hurt Calico that I was one that really wished he would not use that tackling technique anymore. I know it's legal, but I would not mind at all to never see it used again.

Now I love seeing big hits and Williams can bring it like Lott IMO, but those tackles put so much strain on a persons body that it can really be devastating to someones career. And I never like to see someones career put in jeopardy like that. A similar tackle ended Bo Jackson's career.

I did not see the T.O. play, but Calico was heading out of bounds, and definitely did not need to be pulled down like that.

That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to say that it has more weight than anyone else's.

[TheHustler]

Does anyone have videos of the Ferguson hit?

[boysfanindc]

Darius tried to make a play by taking a bad angle, I personally don't know much about the guy, but personally viewed it far from cheap.

He tried to make a play by taking someone's head off.

IMO there is a huge difference in clothes lining someone and tackling them. One is legal and part of the game the other intentional effort to hurt someone.

[scottsp]

LOL Scottsp. All this time, I've thought I was a hetero guy, to find out after 10 years of marriage and two kids that I must be a lesbian female is quite a shock. :D And I guess I must have been playing padless in high school and college.

Because I said after Williams hurt Calico that I was one that really wished he would not use that tackling technique anymore. I know it's legal, but I would not mind at all to never see it used again.

Now I love seeing big hits and Williams can bring it like Lott IMO, but those tackles put so much strain on a persons body that it can really be devastating to someones career. And I never like to see someones career put in jeopardy like that. A similar tackle ended Bo Jackson's career.

I did not see the T.O. play, but Calico was heading out of bounds, and definitely did not need to be pulled down like that.

That's just my opinion and I'm not trying to say that it has more weight than anyone else's.

jay: i can respect that a lot more than what I'm hearing from Pollyanna over here. Out of bounds like on Calico is one thing.

But dragging a guy down from behind to make a stop where the intent IS to make a stop, and nothing more, is something totally different.

The choice in that instance was to drag him down or allow him to continue running. Roy had little choice in that instance. What happened is unfortunate as to how Owens' leg folded under the way it did.

This entire thing is silly to me. I talk to Eagle fans all day and even they say the TAKE DOWN wasn't a problem for them.

[Fletch]

Actually I have but if everyone starts doing this there are not going to be any players left genius. This technique has now caused 3 season ending low leg injuries this year. This is not about intent it is about results of this technique.

Dude, if you don't like getting grabbed from behind by the shoulder pads with the chance of possibly getting hurt, THEN DON'T GET CAUGHT FROM BEHIND!

It's football SON!

[CowboysRangers]

I don't post often at all, but I read this board at least twice a day. And I feel I need to say something here. You guys need to be totally honest with yourselves.

If this had been a cowboys player - you guys would be calling for someones head!!!

I'm sure the first few facemasks that were grabbed were not intentional either - but you can see why they had to make it illegal. Too many guys were getting hurt badly.

Now I don't know if these injuries will continue or not, but if they do - they better make this procedure illegal. I know it is a violent game - I've played also. But there is a reason the face mask is illegal to grab on a tackle - even when unintentional!!!

These injuries do not make Roy a bad person, but if Roy is a "real man" - then he will not really want to cause anyone a bad injury.

[Fletch]

I don't post often at all, but I read this board at least twice a day. And I feel I need to say something here. You guys need to be totally honest with yourselves.

If this had been a cowboys player - you guys would be calling for someones head!!!

I'm sure the first few facemasks that were grabbed were not intentional either - but you can see why they had to make it illegal. Too many guys were getting hurt badly.

Now I don't know if these injuries will continue or not, but if they do - they better make this procedure illegal. I know it is a violent game - I've played also. But there is a reason the face mask is illegal to grab on a tackle - even when unintentional!!!

These injuries do not make Roy a bad person, but if Roy is a "real man" - then he will not really want to cause anyone a bad injury.

So glad you're not on the competition committee and sip on a few beers after the games with the zebras down at the local pub. Gooooood grief!

Oh, and FYI, it wasn't a Cowboy's player that got injured. It was T.O. :iggles:

[phdefense]

So glad you're not on the competition committee and sip on a few beers after the games with the zebras down at the local pub. Gooooood grief!

Oh, and FYI, it wasn't a Cowboy's player that got injured. It was T.O. :iggles:

Do you really put football on a higher priority than humanity? Do you long for the return of the Roman Empire? Their games made football look like golf.

[jay cee]

I don't post often at all, but I read this board at least twice a day. And I feel I need to say something here. You guys need to be totally honest with yourselves.

If this had been a cowboys player - you guys would be calling for someones head!!!

I'm sure the first few facemasks that were grabbed were not intentional either - but you can see why they had to make it illegal. Too many guys were getting hurt badly.

Now I don't know if these injuries will continue or not, but if they do - they better make this procedure illegal. I know it is a violent game - I've played also. But there is a reason the face mask is illegal to grab on a tackle - even when unintentional!!!

These injuries do not make Roy a bad person, but if Roy is a "real man" - then he will not really want to cause anyone a bad injury.


That's just it CowboysRangers, I don't think they can make it illegal. When a player is about to run away from you, you have to try and get them down. Like I said in one of the other threads, the player that ended Bo Jackson's career, really did not have a choice but to grab him by his pads and pull him down like that.

I may not be a fan of this particular tackling technique, but I don't think there is anyway they can outlaw it.

[boysfanindc]

I think theses 2 or 3 threads have been started by Eagles fans, who are flaming the fire.

There is no one in the NFL who is even talking about Roy's tackle.

[Dave_in-NC]

I don't post often at all, but I read this board at least twice a day. And I feel I need to say something here. You guys need to be totally honest with yourselves.

If this had been a cowboys player - you guys would be calling for someones head!!!

I'm sure the first few facemasks that were grabbed were not intentional either - but you can see why they had to make it illegal. Too many guys were getting hurt badly.

Now I don't know if these injuries will continue or not, but if they do - they better make this procedure illegal. I know it is a violent game - I've played also. But there is a reason the face mask is illegal to grab on a tackle - even when unintentional!!!

These injuries do not make Roy a bad person, but if Roy is a "real man" - then he will not really want to cause anyone a bad injury.

yeah he should just have let him run free. :rolleyes: then we could have seen TO do push ups, sit ups, skate, or maybe have a conversation with mcnuggets on the sidelines. the guys a huge jerk.

[Tuna Helper]

Do you really put football on a higher priority than humanity? Do you long for the return of the Roman Empire? Their games made football look like golf.

Let me guess, you vote left wing.

[jay cee]

Let me guess, you vote left wing.


Let it go Tuna. We have a forum for that.

[Fletch]

Let me guess, you vote left wing.

I'm beginning to wonder where his loyalties lie. He even had the nerve to question where my loyalties stood with my beloved Cowboys. :clubbed:

And no, we are not talking about the Roman Empire and their games. Your whole fuss is about one "L E G A L" tackle that happened to take out the opposing WR.

Things that make you go hmmmmm?

[phdefense]

Let me guess, you vote left wing.

Umm No
I believe that the large majority of politicians are crooked and not worth voting for. I am not content with having to choose the lesser of 2 evils and am a proponent of "None of the Above" being put on the ballot. Therefore I only vote if I really believe someone is worth voting for. With that being said in general the right wing is closer to my personal standpoint on most things.

Next!

[scottsp]

I don't post often at all, but I read this board at least twice a day. And I feel I need to say something here. You guys need to be totally honest with yourselves.

If this had been a cowboys player - you guys would be calling for someones head!!!

I'm sure the first few facemasks that were grabbed were not intentional either - but you can see why they had to make it illegal. Too many guys were getting hurt badly.

Now I don't know if these injuries will continue or not, but if they do - they better make this procedure illegal. I know it is a violent game - I've played also. But there is a reason the face mask is illegal to grab on a tackle - even when unintentional!!!

These injuries do not make Roy a bad person, but if Roy is a "real man" - then he will not really want to cause anyone a bad injury.

In 1990, early December game at The Vet. Dallas goes into that game 7-7, primed for a run at the playoffs after going 1-15 the season prior. I believe it was Clyde Simmons who broke Aikman's shoulder late in that game. Cowboys lost 17-3 and proceeded to get blown out next week in Atlanta.

As a fan, I did not think twice about what should happen to Simmons. He's supposed to hit Troy - no matter how much I hate it. I swear, sometimes I think people don't really comprehend the speed at which football is played at the college or NFL level. Television does it NO justice.

Believe it or not, these unfortunate injuries come with the territory. And NO, I wouldn't be screaming for anyone's head unless there was obvious intent to injure.

[BlueStar22]

karma's a *****. Maybe TO will learn to act like he's been there next timehe scores, especially at Texas Stadium.

[scottsp]

NO NO NO, Blue Star! Don't say such things! The sanctity of this dear forum might be compromised by such posts. You might even be labeled .....classless.

*GASP*

I dont care how I'm labeled here. But that's just me. And I don't really care if this is being posted in the WRONG forum either.

Boofrigginhoo.

[doomsday_II]

I do not think Roy is cheap, but if that technique continues to have the same result I think Roy should adjust what he is doing.

I somewhat agree with this. However, if this takedown technique takes out another marque player, the league will adjust it for everyone; Roy will have nothing to do with it.

[Tio]

scott, you are being very imature about this. If you were an opposing fan you would have been banned along time ago. So he believes that a tackling technique shouldn't be used. I disagree, because the defender would be left with nothing to do to take an opposing player ahead of him down, but I can see his point. I, for some reason, don't feel the need to call him a women for not liking a tackling technique(one that has ended 3 players years with leg injuries).

[TruBlueCowboy]

Iggle fans themselves can't honestly say Roy is cheap for that. I've talked with many today and they obviously hate the situation, but don't really blame Roy. As they shouldn't.

But they hate Dallas EVEN MORE NOW. And that much is greatness.

LMAO!!! We stole their Super Bowl!! It couldn't have happened to a classier bunch of fans. :rolleyes:

[scottsp]

scott, you are being very imature about this. If you were an opposing fan you would have been banned along time ago. So he believes that a tackling technique shouldn't be used. I disagree, because the defender would be left with nothing to do to take an opposing player ahead of him down, but I can see his point. I, for some reason, don't feel the need to call him a women for not liking a tackling technique(one that has ended 3 players years with leg injuries).

To each their own, tio. To call me classless, which is what he initiated this whole thing with, in his sig line might have had something to do with all this. I'm not worried about being banned, btw. Never have been.

[DallasKnight]

I don't think Roy should even be talked about in the same breath as Darius. What Roy did is LEGAL. It was not a cheap shot. It was not malicious. It was a tackle from behind, plain and simple. T.O. got his leg buckled under him, and appears to be out for the season. BooHoo. This is football. It is physical. Don't like, go take up tiddleywinks or something.

We played them TOUGH, and they don't like it. Too bad. If they don't win the SB this year, and blame us... GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

T.O. getting hurt and the Iggles losing out on another SuperBowl.... priceless.

:iggles:

[scottsp]

THANK YOU, DK.

Football, sons. Football.

[The Curly One]

I just got a glimpe on the highlights last night of a evil hit where the guy tried (and almost did) to take off the players head. He hit him with his arm in the face mask and it knocked his helmet off, put his feet up over his head and stuck his head in the ground.

Is that the hit you guys are talking about?

I did not have the sound on and did not catch the guys name or team but did see the hit and it was evil. With a hit like that yesterday I can not believe there is even any discussion at all about Roy Williams today. Curly

[Doomsday101]

Neither one was a cheap shot. Darius reached up, went for the ball and when he realized he missed he did what he could to bring the receiver down.

And no that has nothing to do with my extreme bias for Syracuse grads. ;)

Darius rared his arm back before lowering the clothesline on Ferguson it was plain and simple a cheapshot no way around it. it is what it is and the refs reconized it just as well which is why they tossed him out of the game

[Doomsday101]

Jack Tatum didn't clothesline Daryl Stingley. Jack Tatum clotheslined Lynn Swann.

BS Raiders vs NE stingley was clothesline by Tatum I know this as 100 percent fact. Stingley was paralyzed from the neck down after the incident.

Jack Tatum ended Daryl Stingley's football career and forced him to live in a wheelchair for the rest of his life with one hit -- during the preseason!

While Stingley was battling for his life, nearly every player from both the Patriots and the Raiders visited him and expressed their sorrow -- except for Tatum, the man who made the hit. "The Assassin" never once talked to Stingley about the incident -- until he was promoting his autobiography.

This is one of the many reasons why Tatum has to be, by far, the most despicable football player of all time.

[TexasCowboy]

Those idiots in Filthadelphia can call us what they like but the fact is right now their a cemetary wondering what happend? with out TO their S.B.
dreams are shattered and gone, their crying in there beer it's the most
beautiful site these eyes have ever layed sights upon

[jay cee]

BS Raiders vs NE stingley was clothesline by Tatum I know this as 100 percent fact. Stingley was paralyzed from the neck down after the incident.

Jack Tatum ended Daryl Stingley's football career and forced him to live in a wheelchair for the rest of his life with one hit -- during the preseason!

While Stingley was battling for his life, nearly every player from both the Patriots and the Raiders visited him and expressed their sorrow -- except for Tatum, the man who made the hit. "The Assassin" never once talked to Stingley about the incident -- until he was promoting his autobiography.

This is one of the many reasons why Tatum has to be, by far, the most despicable football player of all time.


I could be wrong, but I don't remember the hit to Stingley being with Tatum's forearm. I seem to remember him hurtling his body at Stingley like a missile and hitting him around the head and shoulder area.

If he had delivered his blow to the chest area it would have been a great hit. But IMO Tatum was a cheap dirty headhunter, And he took no pride in just getting great hits, his joy came from actually maiming players.

As for Roy's pull down tackle, its legal. I don't like to see him use it, because I don't like to see players get hurt if it can be avoided. But I also know injuries are a part of the game. If that makes me a wimp or woman to the other posters here, so be it.

[Doomsday101]

I could be wrong, but I don't remember the hit to Stingley being with Tatum's forearm. I seem to remember him hurtling his body at Stingley like a missile and hitting him around the head and shoulder area.

If he had delivered his blow to the chest area it would have been a great hit. But IMO Tatum was a cheap dirty headhunter, And he took no pride in just getting great hits, his joy came from actually maiming players.

As for Roy's pull down tackle, its legal. I don't like to see him use it, because I don't like to see players get hurt if it can be avoided. But I also know injuries are a part of the game. If that makes me a wimp or woman to the other posters here, so be it.

You are mistaken look it up yourself, I watched the game and Tatum plain and simple clothesline Stingley. What Roy did was nothing more than a tackle from behind it happens every week in every game, this time it just so happens TO got his foot caught in the turf and the injury occured.

[Tio]

To each their own, tio. To call me classless, which is what he initiated this whole thing with, in his sig line might have had something to do with all this. I'm not worried about being banned, btw. Never have been.Didn't know you guys had a beef. Neverrmnd :sshhh:

[Aikmaniac]

The reason you don't see any other DB's tackling like that is because it takes a ton of strength in both your hands and arms to pull a big guy (like TO) down.

That tackle kept the Boys in the game, if he lets go, TO is still running and probably doing handstands in the endzone.

Cheap? Anyone hear of Andre Waters or Mark Carrier?

[jay cee]

The reason you don't see any other DB's tackling like that is because it takes a ton of strength in both your hands and arms to pull a big guy (like TO) down.

That is so true. I'm actually pretty glad not many guys have the strength to do it.

I don't think that Williams is dirty, I think he knows that only a few people have the speed and the strength to make that tackle. And face it really looks cool to see him run up to someone and just snatch them down to the ground and make it look so effortless.

[phdefense]

NO NO NO, Blue Star! Don't say such things! The sanctity of this dear forum might be compromised by such posts. You might even be labeled .....classless.

*GASP*

I dont care how I'm labeled here. But that's just me. And I don't really care if this is being posted in the WRONG forum either.

Boofrigginhoo.

For someone that does not "care" you seem to be going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about this. If you do not care about being labeled then why complain when you are "labeled"? Your actions contradict your words. This is what is known as being a hypocrite. Oh no another label!

[lurkercowboy]

Just last week we were talking about the "drag down by the collar" tackle on Drew Pearson late in 81 NFC championship game. Nothing illegal there, it was just a guy trying to tackle the runner. Same with Roy Williams and TO.

[phdefense]

Just last week we were talking about the "drag down by the collar" tackle on Drew Pearson late in 81 NFC championship game. Nothing illegal there, it was just a guy trying to tackle the runner. Same with Roy Williams and TO.

Did you know Cut Blocks are legal too? However the NFL is going to look into them this offseason. Do you know why? Name one person that has been injured via the face mask. Yet it is illegal for some reason. What are they doing wearing those pads and helmets? Let's break out the skirts now. Clothes line tackles used to be "legal" as well. That changed for some reason. Do you happen to know why? Chop blocks used to be legal, but now they are not. Why is this?

[scottsp]

phdefense: Please do us all a favor. Start a thread and clue us in as to all the rule changes you would implement "for safety sake," if you had the power to do so.

And please, think about it carefully. Be specific and don't leave anything out. I'd be extremely interested to read that.

As far as who is and who is not "going on and on." We both kinda are. This is a nice debate from where I sit. I don't care how I'm labeled. I just enjoy debating my point of view on this. This does not make it obsessive. It's just what we tend to do on message boards.

So why don't you run along and put that together, please. It's real easy to complain about what exactly injures who in hindsight. At least this way, we would perhaps grant you some measure of credit with this vision you're so desperately attempting to dazzle us with.

I wish to know how you would limit techniques as they pertain to: blocking, tackling, and hitting receivers and quarterbacks. As you say, these rules change for a reason. So please, enlighten as to how you would clean this sort of thing up. And again, please be specific.

But try to remember one thing: this IS football.