Nothing Left To Say

[rcaldw]

I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but since Sunday I've thought about 2 or 3 different opinions that I would like to voice. I found little or no motivation to do so. Why? Because as long as Bill Parcells is coach in Dallas, "we are what we are."

In other words, when you talk about what you would like to see happen, or what you think Dallas ought to do, etc, etc, you do so because you actually have some "hope" that something like that "might come to pass."

With Parcells at the helm, I don't have any hope of that. I don't think there is any mystery or intrigue with Parcells. People like to present him as someone who always has some other purpose working behind the scenes, like he speaks in riddles and has a brilliant agenda at work that we have to figure out by listening "closely" to what he says at a press conference.

I don't buy that anymore.

With Bill Parcells I now "believe what I see."

*I believe him when he says he doesn't know what is wrong with this team. I just take him at face value and believe him. He doesn't have a clue.

*I believe him when he says he thinks Vinny T is our best chance at winning. I really think that HE thinks Vinny looking sorry and throwing interceptions is better than a young QB looking sorry and throwing interceptions.

*I believe him when he says that the QB position really isn't that important. I know he didn't say that in exactly that way, but that is what he means and his overall track record proves it. He really thinks that the way to win is to build a defense, and run a bus driver offense. I believe him.

*I believe him when he says he has been telling us all this and we just don't want to hear him. I believe he has been telling us, and I believe we have been believing better about him, and we were just plain wrong.

And this is why is has been hard for me to have "hope" right now as a Cowboys fan. Aikman hit the nail on the head on Thanksgiving day. Its about fans having hope. Parcells grossly underestimates fandom when he thinks that we think inserting Henson or Romo would have resulted in wins. WE KNEW BETTER. We weren't looking at that, we were looking FOR A FUTURE that we don't see in a 41 year old QB.

So, what we have here is a coach who "isn't being stubborn", as he says yet again, but is "just being honest with us about how he thinks."

I honestly despise his thinking about this football team. That is my honest view, and that is why my hope at this point is for an early re-retirement for Parcells.

[Doomsday101]

Maybe we just need to hire a coach who will do everything ESPN and the Fans want. LOL What we can do is instant polls and run the team that way. Parcells has been here 2 years he produced a 10-6 season last year and a losing record in the 2nd year and now some want him fired or to retire? Pathetic!!!! Hell we do not deserve a good HC

[Quicksilver]

Maybe we just need to hire a coach who will do everything ESPN and the Fans want. LOL What we can do is instant polls and run the team that way. Parcells has been here 2 years he produced a 10-6 season last year and a losing record in the 2nd year and now some want him fired or to retire? Pathetic!!!! Hell we do not deserve a good HC

:tunafan:

[rcaldw]

Maybe we just need to hire a coach who will do everything ESPN and the Fans want. LOL What we can do is instant polls and run the team that way. Parcells has been here 2 years he produced a 10-6 season last year and a losing record in the 2nd year and now some want him fired or to retire? Pathetic!!!! Hell we do not deserve a good HC

We don't have a good head coach. I heard Terry Bradshaw on Sunday on the Fox Pre-Game show and he said something that I agree with. This NFL is a young man's game. He wasn't just talking about players, he was specifically talking about coaches, and it was in the context of discussing Joe Gibbs. He talked about how much he respected Gibbs but that he really believed that the new generation of coaches is the way to go.

I agree with Bradshaw, and we will have a good head coach when we have a guy like Bob Stoops or someone similar. We need fresh perspective.

[Quicksilver]

I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but since Sunday I've thought about 2 or 3 different opinions that I would like to voice. I found little or no motivation to do so. Why? Because as long as Bill Parcells is coach in Dallas, "we are what we are."

In other words, when you talk about what you would like to see happen, or what you think Dallas ought to do, etc, etc, you do so because you actually have some "hope" that something like that "might come to pass."

With Parcells at the helm, I don't have any hope of that. I don't think there is any mystery or intrigue with Parcells. People like to present him as someone who always has some other purpose working behind the scenes, like he speaks in riddles and has a brilliant agenda at work that we have to figure out by listening "closely" to what he says at a press conference.

I don't buy that anymore.

With Bill Parcells I now "believe what I see."

*I believe him when he says he doesn't know what is wrong with this team. I just take him at face value and believe him. He doesn't have a clue.

*I believe him when he says he thinks Vinny T is our best chance at winning. I really think that HE thinks Vinny looking sorry and throwing interceptions is better than a young QB looking sorry and throwing interceptions.

*I believe him when he says that the QB position really isn't that important. I know he didn't say that in exactly that way, but that is what he means and his overall track record proves it. He really thinks that the way to win is to build a defense, and run a bus driver offense. I believe him.

*I believe him when he says he has been telling us all this and we just don't want to hear him. I believe he has been telling us, and I believe we have been believing better about him, and we were just plain wrong.

And this is why is has been hard for me to have "hope" right now as a Cowboys fan. Aikman hit the nail on the head on Thanksgiving day. Its about fans having hope. Parcells grossly underestimates fandom when he thinks that we think inserting Henson or Romo would have resulted in wins. WE KNEW BETTER. We weren't looking at that, we were looking FOR A FUTURE that we don't see in a 41 year old QB.

So, what we have here is a coach who "isn't being stubborn", as he says yet again, but is "just being honest with us about how he thinks."

I honestly despise his thinking about this football team. That is my honest view, and that is why my hope at this point is for an early re-retirement for Parcells.

By the way....

you said alot for having nothing left to say.

[Doomsday101]

:tunafan:

Bill has to take the heat it comes with the job but it is absolutly stupid to insist that a HC get fired after 2 season one of the season producing a winning record and playoff appearance after 3 season of 5-11. Because the coach will no do what the fans want? Again that is some lousy fans who do not deserve a quality HC

[Eddie]

Chan Gailey was fired after 11-5 and 8-8 seasons.

Man, what I'd do for an 8-8 season right now. ha ha :iggles:

[Doomsday101]

Chan Gailey was fired after 11-5 and 8-8 seasons.

Man, what I'd do for an 8-8 season right now. ha ha :iggles:

I agree I felt Dallas ran Gailey off way too soon

[rcaldw]

Maybe we just need to hire a coach who will do everything ESPN and the Fans want. LOL What we can do is instant polls and run the team that way. Parcells has been here 2 years he produced a 10-6 season last year and a losing record in the 2nd year and now some want him fired or to retire? Pathetic!!!! Hell we do not deserve a good HC

And one other thing. What are you? Are you not a fan? Then according to your boy Parcells, you don't know what you are talking about either. We are all hopeless, mindless, dopes who ought to shut up, grab out chips and salsa, and just gaze at the wonderful product he puts on the field. Don't have an opinion, because as soon as you do, if you are not him, your wrong.

Don't bother bringing up NFL coaches and players who don't agree with Parcells, because they have suddenly lost their mind as soon as they went to work for Fox or ESPN, they know nothing either.

So, Doomsday, your support for Parcells means nothing either, your just a fan, what do you know?

[rcaldw]

By the way....

you said alot for having nothing left to say.

LOL. Just like a Bill Parcells press conference.

[dbair1967]

Bill has to take the heat it comes with the job but it is absolutly stupid to insist that a HC get fired after 2 season one of the season producing a winning record and playoff appearance after 3 season of 5-11. Because the coach will no do what the fans want? Again that is some lousy fans who do not deserve a quality HC

it isnt stupid if you know that the future isnt likely to improve...if 3 yrs from now we're sill 6-10, 8-8 or whatever with Parcells, everyone would be saying "but you just knew after two season of Parcell's b/s it wasnt going to work, why did Jones stick with him?...

I agree with the original post in this thread, I just dont see any upside or hope with Parcells...It's not that I think he sux or is ignorant, its just I think his time has past. Just like other great coaches, there seems to come a day for all of them when what they do and what they believe in just doesnt work anymore. I think that has happened with BP

David

[Portland Fanatic]

Maybe we just need to hire a coach who will do everything ESPN and the Fans want. LOL What we can do is instant polls and run the team that way. Parcells has been here 2 years he produced a 10-6 season last year and a losing record in the 2nd year and now some want him fired or to retire? Pathetic!!!! Hell we do not deserve a good HC
Starting to agree with this...If the fans ran the show...we'd run a coach off after every season.

[Everlastingxxx]

I agree I felt Dallas ran Gailey off way too soon

Wow. Man every coach, after Jimmy Johnson left, has been horrible. I am upset about this season, upset about Parcells. But i am willing to be paitent with Parcells and see what happens next season.

But under not circumstance do i want to see Vinny play ever again for the Cowboys.

[Eddie]

Wow. Man every coach, after Jimmy Johnson left, has been horrible. I am upset about this season, upset about Parcells. But i am willing to be paitent with Parcells and see what happens next season.

But under not circumstance do i want to see Vinny play ever again for the Cowboys.


If BP can't get us deep into the playoffs after next season, then I think it's time to move on. He's wasted two years already. 10-6 was nice ... but he wasn't able to build on it. It was an illusion and it came back to haunt us.

Who's next in line to coach? Heck, who's next in line to be GM?

[dbair1967]

Chan Gailey was fired after 11-5 and 8-8 seasons.

Man, what I'd do for an 8-8 season right now. ha ha :iggles:

actually we were 10-6 and 8-8,and both years suffered embarassing losses in the postseason...the loss to the Cardinals at home was one of the worst moments in this franchise's history.

we werent going anywhere with Gailey, it was obvious to everyone. Gailey is also showing himself to be a lousy college head coach. Jones did the right thing to cut his losses after two seasons with him, the mistake was then putting Campo clown into place as the HC

David

[Eddie]

actually we were 10-6 and 8-8,and both years suffered embarassing losses in the postseason...the loss to the Cardinals at home was one of the worst moments in this franchise's history.

we werent going anywhere with Gailey, it was obvious to everyone. Gailey is also showing himself to be a lousy college head coach. Jones did the right thing to cut his losses after two seasons with him, the mistake was then putting Campo clown into place as the HC

David


I think it was a mistake to keep Switzer after the last Super Bowl, and to hire both Gailey and Campo.

Sad, sad, sad. A decade of our lives wasted!!!

[Doomsday101]

We don't have a good head coach. I heard Terry Bradshaw on Sunday on the Fox Pre-Game show and he said something that I agree with. This NFL is a young man's game. He wasn't just talking about players, he was specifically talking about coaches, and it was in the context of discussing Joe Gibbs. He talked about how much he respected Gibbs but that he really believed that the new generation of coaches is the way to go.

I agree with Bradshaw, and we will have a good head coach when we have a guy like Bob Stoops or someone similar. We need fresh perspective.

And Bradshaw is never wrong? LOL Hell Terry will be ragging on a QB one week and singing the praises of the same QB the next week. As for Bob Stoops I agree I think he is an excellent HC but what happens when he does not do what the fans want? Same old cr@p that is what would happen. I can promise you if Parcells gets this team back to the playoffs next year many here will be singing a different tune.

[rcaldw]

Bill has to take the heat it comes with the job but it is absolutly stupid to insist that a HC get fired after 2 season one of the season producing a winning record and playoff appearance after 3 season of 5-11. Because the coach will no do what the fans want? Again that is some lousy fans who do not deserve a quality HC

I never suggested he be fired UNLESS Jones is wanting to develop a young QB and Parcells is wanting to run with retreads. At that point you have a conflict in the philosophy of the organization.

I don't think Parcells deserves to be fired, I just don't think his basic way of doing things will change and I don't like his basic way of doing things. LISTEN, I wasn't a Giants fan, I wasn't a Jets fan, and I wasn't a Patriots fan, I was and am a life long COWBOYS fan. Our way wasn't the Giants way or Jets way or Patriots way. All he has done is brought his same stinking philosophy here. This wasn't Landry's way was it? This wasn't J.J's way either, no matter how much people want to paint it that way. We have gone from ATTACK offense, and good defense to DEFENSE, PUNT, DEFENSE, PUNT, FG, DEFENSE, TURNOVER, DEFENSE. HOLD, ON, HOLD ON, WIN AT THE END.

That is Giant's football at its best, and its the Parcell's way.

[Doomsday101]

it isnt stupid if you know that the future isnt likely to improve...if 3 yrs from now we're sill 6-10, 8-8 or whatever with Parcells, everyone would be saying "but you just knew after two season of Parcell's b/s it wasnt going to work, why did Jones stick with him?...

I agree with the original post in this thread, I just dont see any upside or hope with Parcells...It's not that I think he sux or is ignorant, its just I think his time has past. Just like other great coaches, there seems to come a day for all of them when what they do and what they believe in just doesnt work anymore. I think that has happened with BP

David

Are you insisting that he gets fired or retire? To question any coach for a poor season is totally understandable it comes with the job for those who insist that he retire or get fire are nothing but a bunch of fair weather fans. if this offends some then so be it

[rcaldw]

And Bradshaw is never wrong? LOL Hell Terry will be ragging on a QB one week and singing the praises of the same QB the next week. As for Bob Stoops I agree I think he is an excellent HC but what happens when he does not do what the fans want? Same old cr@p that is what would happen. I can promise you if Parcells gets this team back to the playoffs next year many here will be singing a different tune.

Cmon Doomsday give me a little credit. Do you really think that I think a head coach is a slave to the knee jerk reaction of fans? I hope not, and I can tell you I don't believe that. I'm talking about coaching philosophies, this is what I'm worn out with in terms of Parcells. I don't enjoy his style of football. If you do, fine, I don't, and what I guess I've been slow to finally realize is, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. Period. It ain't changing. This is how he has always thought you win football games and this is what we will be. The New York Giants SOUTH.

[jay cee]

I agree I felt Dallas ran Gailey off way too soon

Me too, I thought the one to run off was Aikman.

[Next_years_Champs]

In 1963 "fandom" in it's infinite wisdom was crying for Tex Schram to fire Tom Landry. Landry was lost, didn't know what he was doing and was to commited to "the Flex" defense and too hard headed.

Tex Schram signed Tom Landry to a new 10 year contract, and Landry went about ignoring the fans and pundits advice. Ultimately building one of the most successful sports franchises in history.

Now I don't know you from beans but I have read some of your posts and you remind me of those "know it all's" from the early days. When all was said and done they were wrong and a Hall of Fame coach was right.

I suspect that today we face the same situation, And I for one think that a Hall of Fame coach will prove to be correct, just today I read where if Henson ends up taking 15% of the snaps this year. The team takes a 3.5 million dollar hit on the cap next year.

Hell that alone is worth keeping Henson on the bench so as not to lose that money, And just perhaps that figures into the "substantial downside" Parcells spoke of yesterday.

Anyway we are all free to voice our opinions, just understand I have heard voices such as yours from the very beginning. Sometimes they are correct but more times than not they are wrong.

Myself I'm chalking this year up as more representative of this teams talent than last season was and I fully expect next year will show that Parcells can and will rebuild this franchise. I could be wrong only time will tell but I just don't believe Parcell is lying and trying to harm this team.

[Doomsday101]

Cmon Doomsday give me a little credit. Do you really think that I think a head coach is a slave to the knee jerk reaction of fans? I hope not, and I can tell you I don't believe that. I'm talking about coaching philosophies, this is what I'm worn out with in terms of Parcells. I don't enjoy his style of football. If you do, fine, I don't, and what I guess I've been slow to finally realize is, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. Period. It ain't changing. This is how he has always thought you win football games and this is what we will be. The New York Giants SOUTH.

Parcells did not coach the Pats as he did the giants and he did not coach the jets as he did the pats. We are in the middle of a bad season under Parcells after coming off a more than expected 10-6 record. No you don't fire a HC based on 1 season.

[Kittymama]

We don't have a good head coach. I heard Terry Bradshaw on Sunday on the Fox Pre-Game show and he said something that I agree with. This NFL is a young man's game. He wasn't just talking about players, he was specifically talking about coaches, and it was in the context of discussing Joe Gibbs. He talked about how much he respected Gibbs but that he really believed that the new generation of coaches is the way to go.

I agree with Bradshaw, and we will have a good head coach when we have a guy like Bob Stoops or someone similar. We need fresh perspective.

So Schottenheimer is old or young? Parcells & Vermeil last year--old or young?

I'm sure Stoops will eventually end up coaching in the NFL, as will Saban. And I'll predict it here & now--they'll both end up like Spurrier, Erickson, & Davis.

Maybe you should wait another year before you write off either Parcells or Gibbs or Vermeil? (And I'm curious as to what Bradshaw's cutoff age is, as a lot of coaches are in their 50s--like Belichick.)

And if that makes me a :tunafan: so be it.

Just curious--if, say, Stoops went 10-6, then had a bad season, would you be demanding that he be fired? You know, like how Cowher had a bad season last year? (I seem to recall vividly Bradshaw saying last year that it was time for Cowher to move on & that he'd lost the team. Guess they didn't get that memo in Pittsburgh. Bradshaw also said last year that Belichick won't be with the Pats in another 5 years or so. Does that make me a Cowher apologist too? Or perhaps someone who realizes that 1 season--good or bad--doesn't necessarily define ANY coach.)

[Kittymama]

And, oh yes, if we're going to take Terry Bradshaw's word as gospel, then noone should be calling for Jimmy Johnson to come back & coach either. Isn't he the same age range as Parcells & Gibbs? Or does he get an exemption from being "old?" (You know, the way Ty Law would get an exemption from being one of the "old Parcells guys" that everyone complains about, except when they think we should sign them.)

[rcaldw]

In 1963 "fandom" in it's infinite wisdom was crying for Tex Schram to fire Tom Landry. Landry was lost, didn't know what he was doing and was to commited to "the Flex" defense and too hard headed.

Tex Schram signed Tom Landry to a new 10 year contract, and Landry went about ignoring the fans and pundits advice. Ultimately building one of the most successful sports franchises in history.

Now I don't know you from beans but I have read some of your posts and you remind me of those "know it all's" from the early days. When all was said and done they were wrong and a Hall of Fame coach was right.

I suspect that today we face the same situation, And I for one think that a Hall of Fame coach will prove to be correct, just today I read where if Henson ends up taking 15% of the snaps this year. The team takes a 3.5 million dollar hit on the cap next year.

Hell that alone is worth keeping Henson on the bench so as not to lose that money, And just perhaps that figures into the "substantial downside" Parcells spoke of yesterday.

Anyway we are all free to voice our opinions, just understand I have heard voices such as yours from the very beginning. Sometimes they are correct but more times than not they are wrong.

Myself I'm chalking this year up as more representative of this teams talent than last season was and I fully expect next year will show that Parcells can and will rebuild this franchise. I could be wrong only time will tell but I just don't believe Parcell is lying and trying to harm this team.


Well, your analogy, sir wisdom, fails in one major point. Tom Landry was THE YOUNG BREED in 1963, he was the INNOVATOR.

He wasn't stubbornly holding to old school methods was he? Is that how you remember it? Was he the Bill Parcells of his day?

Didn't think so. I remember 1963 too. What happened in 1963 is that there was a commitment to the FUTURE OF FOOTBALL, not its past, and that is what we need in Dallas right now.

[jay cee]

In 1963 "fandom" in it's infinite wisdom was crying for Tex Schram to fire Tom Landry. Landry was lost, didn't know what he was doing and was to commited to "the Flex" defense and too hard headed.

Tex Schram signed Tom Landry to a new 10 year contract, and Landry went about ignoring the fans and pundits advice. Ultimately building one of the most successful sports franchises in history.

Now I don't know you from beans but I have read some of your posts and you remind me of those "know it all's" from the early days. When all was said and done they were wrong and a Hall of Fame coach was right.

I suspect that today we face the same situation, And I for one think that a Hall of Fame coach will prove to be correct, just today I read where if Henson ends up taking 15% of the snaps this year. The team takes a 3.5 million dollar hit on the cap next year.

Hell that alone is worth keeping Henson on the bench so as not to lose that money, And just perhaps that figures into the "substantial downside" Parcells spoke of yesterday.

Anyway we are all free to voice our opinions, just understand I have heard voices such as yours from the very beginning. Sometimes they are correct but more times than not they are wrong.

Myself I'm chalking this year up as more representative of this teams talent than last season was and I fully expect next year will show that Parcells can and will rebuild this franchise. I could be wrong only time will tell but I just don't believe Parcell is lying and trying to harm this team.
Great post. I totally agree. I am not a huge fan of Parcells style of football team. But I only care about my favorite team winning championships. I have not seen anything to lead me to believe that Parcells CAN'T make it happen for Dallas.

[dbair1967]

I think it was a mistake to keep Switzer after the last Super Bowl, and to hire both Gailey and Campo.

Sad, sad, sad. A decade of our lives wasted!!!

Jones said that himself not long ago...saying while he liked Barry, he knows now he should have let Switzer go after winning the super bowl...1996 was when the wheels fell off, but making a strong hire after that win over the Steelers might have prevented it...

thats why I dont really care to see Parcells stay...we are at a crossroads moment for our team in 2005. We have a ton of cap space with a good free agent clss, plus the extra 1st rd pick (both of which will be between 10-20)...we can take a major step next yr with the right coach and coaching staff here next yr...I dont want another yr of playing guys like Testaverde, Anderson, Ward, Tucker etc etc because the coach "likes" those guys...I dont want to see our highly talented QB rot away on the pine because Parcells doesnt feel like coaching him...I dont want another yr of mind boggling in game decisions...

David

[rcaldw]

Just curious--if, say, Stoops went 10-6, then had a bad season, would you be demanding that he be fired?

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhh.

Let me repeat. No.

I have been a Cowboys fan for over 30 years. The only coaches I thought should have been fired when they were, were Switzer (a clown), and Campo (a nice guy, but not HC material.)

I don't think Parcells should be fired. I don't like his boring brand of football. Didn't like it any where he has been. It is HIS WAY, no doubt about it, and to each his own.

And I will go on record too, Kitty M, I don't think Stoops will be a failure in the NFL, I think he will succeed.

[rcaldw]

Great post. I totally agree. I am not a huge fan of Parcells style of football team. But I only care about my favorite team winning championships. I have not seen anything to lead me to believe that Parcells CAN'T make it happen for Dallas.

Not a great post, read the one above yours and there is my answer. Was Landry in 1963 the Old School or the new breed? Was he the stubborn, stuck in his ways coach, or the innovator?

Answer?

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm not as down on Parcells as rcaldw, and I don't think he should be fired.

But I do agree with a lot of what he said in his original post about Parcells being a simple coach, and what you see being what you get. When he was hired, he was portrayed by many in the media as having this almost mystical quality of being able to get the best out of every player, being a mind-game genius, elevating the team by his presence, always putting players in the right positions, etc.

But the truth is, from what I've seen, is that Parcells is no Landry or Walsh or maybe even Belichick. He's not a great tactician and isn't even very innovative. He's a very simple football coach who wants the most basic of qualities that all other football coaches want, even down to the high school level: Toughness, conditioning, discipline, and execution. IMO Parcells is just able to accomplish this better than most because of his personal charisma (which he does have) and credibility from his past accomplishments.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, either... We all know how simplistic great coaches like Lombardi were. But to think that Parcells is some kind of wizard who somehow knows all the right answers is wrong, too.

[morasp]

It's kind of funny that with all the injuries we've had and having to cut our starting quarterback that we've been so close in so many games. I've honestly felt that we've had a good chance to win most of the games we've played. You can chalk that up to the game plan. Contrast that with Campo standing on the sideline with a dazed look on his face after the first three and out on offense knowing that there isn't any way that were going to win this game. The difference is night and day.

I've been watching other teams as the season progresses and it's amazing how many teams are running that fake reverse to keep defenses honest. That was a Parcells thing, I don't remember seeing it much before we started doing it. He is a very knowledgable coach and were lucky to have him.

[dbair1967]

Are you insisting that he gets fired or retire? To question any coach for a poor season is totally understandable it comes with the job for those who insist that he retire or get fire are nothing but a bunch of fair weather fans. if this offends some then so be it

pointing out the obvious isnt being a fair weather fan...only pulling for your team when it wins and then turning the other way when they lose or struggle is what a fair weather fan is...

I'll pull for the team regardless of who coaches it or QB's it, but just because IMO Parcells isnt the guy to lead us to back to a championship doesnt mean I like the team any less...

so sorry if this offends you, but learn what a "fair weather fan" is before throwing the term around, ok?

David

[Doomsday101]

pointing out the obvious isnt being a fair weather fan...only pulling for your team when it wins and then turning the other way when they lose or struggle is what a fair weather fan is...

I'll pull for the team regardless of who coaches it or QB's it, but just because IMO Parcells isnt the guy to lead us to back to a championship doesnt mean I like the team any less...

so sorry if this offends you, but learn what a "fair weather fan" is before throwing the term around, ok?

David

Calling on a coach to retire or get fired based on 1 season yes sir that is being a fair weather fan. When your going through a losing season it is understandable to be questioned it happens to every coach out there but for those who are insisting that he retire or get fired based on 1 losing season is wrong. Again if Parcells brings this team back to the playoffs all this crying going on right now will never be mentioned again and most of you will act as if you were always on Parcells side. Pathetic!!! Yes I know what a fair weather fan is evidently I'm chatting with one right now!

[jcblanco22]

actually we were 10-6 and 8-8,and both years suffered embarassing losses in the postseason...the loss to the Cardinals at home was one of the worst moments in this franchise's history.

we werent going anywhere with Gailey, it was obvious to everyone. Gailey is also showing himself to be a lousy college head coach. Jones did the right thing to cut his losses after two seasons with him, the mistake was then putting Campo clown into place as the HC

David

Yes and no, in my humble opinion. Replacing w/ Campo, a mistake, agreed. The Cardinals game was a nightmare, agree on that as well, but Irvin and Davis got NO separation in that game and Aikman ended up looking like crap as a result. I'll never forget thinking that it was the only game I ever saw where Aikman looked like he had about as much arm strength as Steve Walsh, the way he was being forced to underthrow these guys because of the suffocating coverage.

The Minnesota wild card loss was embarassing also, sure, but was also being played with a preseason-worthy roster of wide receivers. A banged up Ismail, Jason Tucker causing Aikman to suffer interceptions, and a raw Wane McGarrity as the top 3 (we never should've let Jeffers go after '98).

Gailey is struggling at Ga Tech, but I also don't think that recruiting is his strong suit. I think his biggest problem was absolute stubborness on modifying the offense even slightly.

[Next_years_Champs]

Well, your analogy, sir wisdom, fails in one major point. Tom Landry was THE YOUNG BREED in 1963, he was the INNOVATOR.

He wasn't stubbornly holding to old school methods was he? Is that how you remember it? Was he the Bill Parcells of his day?

Didn't think so. I remember 1963 too. What happened in 1963 is that there was a commitment to the FUTURE OF FOOTBALL, not its past, and that is what we need in Dallas right now.


The analogy is the same, the fans always know more than the coach.

Now the coaching legacy and age are certainly different, But the way I see it as you put it is this.

Landry was a coach that did things his way regardless of critizism. In those ways Landry and Parcells are EXACTLY alike. And it could even be argued that that trait alone might be the biggest factor in their success. I believe that the basics of football always remain the same and all the BS surrounding it is in constant change.

Like I said you have your opinion, you don't think Parcells can be trusted and the game has passed him by.

I think last year was a fluke and that when Quincy Carter imploded from the pressure, and several of our most talented players went down to injury our fate was sealed.

That's the way I see it and time will tell us who is right and who is wrong.

[crazylegs]

And Bradshaw is never wrong? LOL Hell Terry will be ragging on a QB one week and singing the praises of the same QB the next week. As for Bob Stoops I agree I think he is an excellent HC but what happens when he does not do what the fans want? Same old cr@p that is what would happen. I can promise you if Parcells gets this team back to the playoffs next year many here will be singing a different tune.

For the umpteenth time GET RID OF JERRY JONES!

He is the foundation of this mess!

Key word: Foundation!

Don't go to the games, don't buy the merchandise, and don’t tune in. This will have the same effect as getting rid of Jerry. Sure he'll still own the team, but without fan support he'll find other things to play with. God go back on the bottle, play golf, or get a mistress, just stay out of Valley Ranch and the media's view.

Put a new HC and GM (no not your son dummy!) and walk away!

[Doomsday101]

For the umpteenth time GET RID OF JERRY JONES!

He is the foundation of this mess!

Key word: Foundation!

Don't go to the games, don't buy the merchandise, and don’t tune in. This will have the same effect as getting rid of Jerry. Sure he'll still own the team, but without fan support he'll find other things to play with. God go back on the bottle, play golf, or get a mistress, just stay out of Valley Ranch and the media's view.

Put a new HC and GM (no not your son dummy!) and walk away!

Jerry is not going anywheres and yes under him this team will get back to the top.

[rcaldw]

The analogy is the same, the fans always know more than the coach.

Now the coaching legacy and age are certainly different, But the way I see it as you put it is this.

Landry was a coach that did things his way regardless of critizism. In those ways Landry and Parcells are EXACTLY alike. And it could even be argued that that trait alone might be the biggest factor in their success. I believe that the basics of football always remain the same and all the BS surrounding it is in constant change.

Like I said you have your opinion, you don't think Parcells can be trusted and the game has passed him by.

I think last year was a fluke and that when Quincy Carter imploded from the pressure, and several of our most talented players went down to injury our fate was sealed.

That's the way I see it and time will tell us who is right and who is wrong.


Fair enough. However, I would stress one more thing. I've never denied that the Parcells way can still produce wins, or keep a team in games. I think it is BORING, I think it is simple football as Chocolate Lab stated earlier, and I don't enjoy it. I also don't think that Parcells is on the cutting edge any more, so on that point I think you understand me perfectly. We will see what happens.

[dbair1967]

[QUOTE=morasp]It's kind of funny that with all the injuries we've had and having to cut our starting quarterback that we've been so close in so many games. I've honestly felt that we've had a good chance to win most of the games we've played. QUOTE]

huh? are you talking about THIS season?

? :rolleyes:

David

[Eddie]

Jerry is not going anywheres and yes under him this team will get back to the top.


Doom, what has Jerry done in the past 10 years to make you think he can get us back to the top? Knee-jerk reactions? Horrible drafting? Puppet head coaches?

[morasp]

[QUOTE=morasp]It's kind of funny that with all the injuries we've had and having to cut our starting quarterback that we've been so close in so many games. I've honestly felt that we've had a good chance to win most of the games we've played. QUOTE]

huh? are you talking about THIS season?

? :rolleyes:

David

Absolutely this season. In his press conference he listed the games I don't remember all of them but two were the Giants and Steelers games.

[Doomsday101]

Doom, what has Jerry done in the past 10 years to make you think he can get us back to the top? Knee-jerk reactions? Horrible drafting? Puppet head coaches?

Well he is no longer doing the drafting and I doubt Parcells is his puppet. Jerry will do whatever to win I honestly believe that and Jerry has made changes over the last 2 to 3 years and admitted to making some mistakes.

[rcaldw]

Well he is no longer doing the drafting and I doubt Parcells is his puppet. Jerry will do whatever to win I honestly believe that and Jerry has made changes over the last 2 to 3 years and admitted to making some mistakes.

I agree with Doomsday on this. I don't think we could ask for a better owner. I really believe we have the best one in football. Jerry may not always know what he is doing, but he cares about the Dallas Cowboys and is not in this just to make a dollar. He loves his team and pours money into them, what more could we ask for?

[crazylegs]

And, oh yes, if we're going to take Terry Bradshaw's word as gospel, then noone should be calling for Jimmy Johnson to come back & coach either. Isn't he the same age range as Parcells & Gibbs? Or does he get an exemption from being "old?" (You know, the way Ty Law would get an exemption from being one of the "old Parcells guys" that everyone complains about, except when they think we should sign them.)

Why do you small mined people always misread these things.

This is simple case building, nothing more. No one said or implied that it was gospel, well other than when it fits your needs.

Oh never mind, I wasting time with the likes of you. :banghead:

http://www.timskelton.com/postpics/ahole/die_nailgun.jpg

[BulletBob]

Keep in mind a few unavoidable laws of human nature as we all jump to our incontrovertible decisions on who should be our coach in 2005.

First off, all of us tend to be far too impatient. We all look for instant gratification in nearly everything we do or with everyone we encounter. Some of the very best coaches, players, sales reps, CEOs, engineers, moms, dads, entertainers, etc. took years to develop into superstars. Does everyone think that Bill Cower suddenly got hit on the head with the genius anvil this year?

Second, we tend to shade our memories very favorably when talking about the past. Did anyone think that Jimmuh was an excellent coach during the 1-15 season? How about Troy as a QB? Yet, we look back on their entire careers and its almost as if we cannonize them in comparing them with today's equivalents.

I am not a BP fan (nor have I ever been). I do not like the way he motivates, plays mental aerobics, game-plans, or real-time play calls. I do not agree with his team philosophy. However, his system has met with success in the past. Whether it will succeed in Dallas, we do not yet know. What I am pretty sure of, however, is that a two-year period is not enough time to arrive at an accurate conclusion.

It took Landry 6 years (1960-1966) to build a winning team. Yes, I know that the league was very different back then, and that Tom was starting from ground zero. However, the fact remains that were we not patient back then, we may have never blossomed into America's Team.

[rcaldw]

Keep in mind a few unavoidable laws of human nature as we all jump to our incontrovertible decisions on who should be our coach in 2005.

First off, all of us tend to be far too impatient. We all look for instant gratification in nearly everything we do or with everyone we encounter. Some of the very best coaches, players, sales reps, CEOs, engineers, moms, dads, entertainers, etc. took years to develop into superstars. Does everyone think that Bill Cower suddenly got hit on the head with the genius anvil this year?

Second, we tend to shade our memories very favorably when talking about the past. Did anyone think that Jimmuh was an excellent coach during the 1-15 season? How about Troy as a QB? Yet, we look back on their entire careers and its almost as if we cannonize them in comparing them with today's equivalents.

I am not a BP fan (nor have I ever been). I do not like the way he motivates, plays mental aerobics, game-plans, or real-time play calls. I do not agree with his team philosophy. However, his system has met with success in the past. Whether it will succeed in Dallas, we do not yet know. What I am pretty sure of, however, is that a two-year period is not enough time to arrive at an accurate conclusion.

It took Landry 6 years (1960-1966) to build a winning team. Yes, I know that the league was very different back then, and that Tom was starting from ground zero. However, the fact remains that were we not patient back then, we may have never blossomed into America's Team.


Bullet, I wouldn't disagree with anything you wrote here. But that was not my original point. (Not speaking for others of course who have made different points in this thread).

My point is that I don't enjoy Parcell's style of football, and that is what we are going to get, so if we hope for anything else, forget it. What you see is what you get, and what you get is Giants, Jets, Patriots football in Dallas, Texas.

I don't like it, though I will continue to support my team, its players, and yes, for as long as he is here, our coach. I just don't enjoy this style, and I am truly sick of hearing about LT, Simms, Fouts, and all the others he speaks of. I love Cowboys history. I am a Cowboys fan. I think back about Cowboys players. Parcells only has an appreciation for Landry, beyond that, his whole universe is Giants, Jets, Patriots and apparently all the guys he admired from OTHER teams.

[al124]

imho, the only reason why we had such a terrible season was because parcells and jerry decided to go the cheap route in free agency especially on the dline. QB is a problem, but going from 1st to virtually last on defense is inexcusable.

i'm not a big fan of vinny at all but i agree that he was the best option we had at QB to challenge for a wild card spot. now if parcells continues to use him in favor of romo or henson in the last few games, then that would clearly show the reason why the team (and fans) have given up on believing in him.

parcells and jerry aren't stupid enough to make the same mistake in the offseason. with an agressive free agency period and 2 first round picks to boot, i expect us to be singing a different tune next year.

[Deane62]

.

*I believe him when he says that the QB position really isn't that important. I know he didn't say that in exactly that way, but that is what he means and his overall track record proves it. He really thinks that the way to win is to build a defense, and run a bus driver offense. I believe him.


So you're going to take him at face value, exactly what he said, except when you want to read between the lines and decide what he meant. :rolleyes:

[dbair1967]

Absolutely this season in his press conference he listed the games I don't remember all of them but two were the Giants and Steelers games.

Parcells practices revisionist history when it supports his agenda, case in point was the Romo thing where he quoted statistics from preseason that werent even remotely close to Romo's real numbers...

I can see the argument for we should have won the Pitt game...but the Giants totally dominated us in the 2nd half..we were blown out by Minnesota, Green Bay, Cinci, Philly, and Baltimore...the New Orleans game, along with Pitt and this past Sunday at Philly could have went either way..but this team has played pretty pathetic football, especially on defense almost all year

David

[rcaldw]

So you're going to take him at face value, exactly what he said, except when you want to read between the lines and decide what he meant. :rolleyes:

Well, Deane, lets take exactly what he said. The QB is not as important as who you put around him. He has seen average QB's win Super Bowls. I don't think I have misconstrued his attitude, do you? What I meant was, he didn't use my exact words. I think I heard him and understood him loud and clear.

I also heard him say, he doesn't think there are that many franchise QB's around so you don't close shop until you find one. I actually agree with that, and I heard that loud and clear too.

Where I part ways with him, is, I think he takes it a step forward and doesn't try to develop young guys who MIGHT be a franchise QB. He would rather hire a retread because he isn't going to be here very long.

[Woods]

Well, Deane, lets take exactly what he said. The QB is not as important as who you put around him. He has seen average QB's win Super Bowls. I don't think I have misconstrued his attitude, do you? What I meant was, he didn't use my exact words. I think I heard him and understood him loud and clear.

I also heard him say, he doesn't think there are that many franchise QB's around so you don't close shop until you find one. I actually agree with that, and I heard that loud and clear too.

Where I part ways with him, is, I think he takes it a step forward and doesn't try to develop young guys who MIGHT be a franchise QB. He would rather hire a retread because he isn't going to be here very long.

You may not like BP's style, and I can understand that.

However, the guy is a proven winner.

Last year he worked a miracle.

This year we were screwed from the beginning. And BP is partly to blame for that. But given what happened with QC, injuries in the Secondary, to Glenn, etc. we were still in the playoff race until losing to NO, of all teams.

Maybe BP is saying we can make the Super Bowl with an "average" QB play because all we may have is an average QB play for the next couple of years whether it's going with Henson, or Romo, or another veteran - until Henson hopefully develops?

[BulletBob]

Bullet, I wouldn't disagree with anything you wrote here. But that was not my original point. (Not speaking for others of course who have made different points in this thread).

My point is that I don't enjoy Parcell's style of football, and that is what we are going to get, so if we hope for anything else, forget it. What you see is what you get, and what you get is Giants, Jets, Patriots football in Dallas, Texas.

I don't like it, though I will continue to support my team, its players, and yes, for as long as he is here, our coach. I just don't enjoy this style, and I am truly sick of hearing about LT, Simms, Fouts, and all the others he speaks of. I love Cowboys history. I am a Cowboys fan. I think back about Cowboys players. Parcells only has an appreciation for Landry, beyond that, his whole universe is Giants, Jets, Patriots and apparently all the guys he admired from OTHER teams.

I share your disdain, RC. I really do. And I agree that we will be seeing more of the same. I yearn for the days of the man in the dapper hat, and I completely second your initial post.

If you want BP out on his rear because you don't like him, or his style of football, by all means, your cause is justified. I merely object to the hypotheses that he be thrown out based on performance. His performance cannot be assessed based on a 2-yr period, just as Henson's cannot be assessed based on a half of football, and less than a year in TC/Pre-season/Practice.

Next year may be a different story. If BP is aggressive in FA and the draft, and does upload the talent, and if the team remains relatively injury free, but in spite of it all does not make any improvement, then we can start seriously questioning his performance based on a decent sample. Even then, we may have to wait until year 4.

Better load up on the Pepcid!

[Woods]

I share your disdain, RC. I really do. And I agree that we will be seeing more of the same. I year for the days of the man in the dapper hat, and I completely second your initial post.

If you want BP out on his rear because you don't like him, or his style of football, by all means, your cause is justified. I merely object to the hypotheses that he be thrown out based on performance. His performance cannot be assessed based on a 2-yr period, just as Henson's cannot be assessed based on a half of football, and less than a year in TC/Pre-season/Practice.

Next year may be a different story. If BP is aggressive in FA and the draft, and does upload the talent, and if the team remains relatively injury free, but in spite of it all does not make any improvement, then we can start seriously questioning his performance based on a decent sample. Even then, we may have to wait until year 4.

Better load up on the Pepcid!

Very valid points.

Last year BP did an exceptional coaching job.

This year his performance has not been good.

Let's see what we do in FA and how we perform next season.

Just like we can't evaluate a draft after 1-2 seasons, I think the same applies with coaching.

[Kittymama]

Well, Deane, lets take exactly what he said. The QB is not as important as who you put around him. He has seen average QB's win Super Bowls. I don't think I have misconstrued his attitude, do you? What I meant was, he didn't use my exact words. I think I heard him and understood him loud and clear.

I also heard him say, he doesn't think there are that many franchise QB's around so you don't close shop until you find one. I actually agree with that, and I heard that loud and clear too.

Where I part ways with him, is, I think he takes it a step forward and doesn't try to develop young guys who MIGHT be a franchise QB. He would rather hire a retread because he isn't going to be here very long.

He also said (go back & reread my transcripts of last week's PCs) that he very well WILL play either Henson or Romo next season!! Doesn't that mean he's willing to develop one of them? What he was driving at was that he needs a good team AROUND one of those youngsters to give them a good chance. That way, they don't have to be instant Vick or Manning, but have time to develop into a quality QB. And that, yes, you probably do need some sort of vet in the mix there. Nowhere has he said he's going to start, or even bring in, a geezer QB for next season. Nowhere has he said he won't play Henson or Romo next season. And yes, nowhere has he said he won't. Or the team could even draft one who ends up starting.

Some people are so convinced ALREADY that somehow he's written off Henson & Romo, that he'll never ever start a youngster while he coaches (I'm not saying you specifically, I'm saying some people). Maybe we should actually see what happens in this offseason & TC first? I vividly recall furious debates last summer all about QC & whether he was the future for the team. That changed, literally, in an instant. I realize things are slow right now, but I just don't see the point of parsing every single sentence he's uttered for proof that he's destroying the team/won't play a young QB/will only play his guys/has lost it, etc. Maybe he has. It just might be nice to actually see who gets cut, signed, drafted, & then makes the final rotation before making that determination.

[rcaldw]

He also said (go back & reread my transcripts of last week's PCs) that he very well WILL play either Henson or Romo next season!! Doesn't that mean he's willing to develop one of them? What he was driving at was that he needs a good team AROUND one of those youngsters to give them a good chance. That way, they don't have to be instant Vick or Manning, but have time to develop into a quality QB. And that, yes, you probably do need some sort of vet in the mix there. Nowhere has he said he's going to start, or even bring in, a geezer QB for next season. Nowhere has he said he won't play Henson or Romo next season. And yes, nowhere has he said he won't. Or the team could even draft one who ends up starting.

Some people are so convinced ALREADY that somehow he's written off Henson & Romo, that he'll never ever start a youngster while he coaches (I'm not saying you specifically, I'm saying some people). Maybe we should actually see what happens in this offseason & TC first? I vividly recall furious debates last summer all about QC & whether he was the future for the team. That changed, literally, in an instant. I realize things are slow right now, but I just don't see the point of parsing every single sentence he's uttered for proof that he's destroying the team/won't play a young QB/will only play his guys/has lost it, etc. Maybe he has. It just might be nice to actually see who gets cut, signed, drafted, & then makes the final rotation before making that determination.


Kitty, do you REALLY believe that Parcells will start Henson or Romo next year? Hope your right, but I'm betting your wrong.

[jimmy40]

It's kind of funny that with all the injuries we've had and having to cut our starting quarterback that we've been so close in so many games. I've honestly felt that we've had a good chance to win most of the games we've played. You can chalk that up to the game plan. Contrast that with Campo standing on the sideline with a dazed look on his face after the first three and out on offense knowing that there isn't any way that were going to win this game. The difference is night and day.

I've been watching other teams as the season progresses and it's amazing how many teams are running that fake reverse to keep defenses honest. That was a Parcells thing, I don't remember seeing it much before we started doing it. He is a very knowledgable coach and were lucky to have him.We lost an over the hill safety, blocking tight end, a cornerback that's never done anything and a QB that wasn't any better than Vinny. Parcells didn't invent the fake reverse. :rolleyes: Were you a Parcells fan before you were a Cowboys fan? I know there are plenty of posters on here that were.
Oh, I forgot about Terry Glenn, not ecxactly a future HOFer.

[Doomsday101]

We lost an over the hill safety, blocking tight end, a cornerback that's never done anything and a QB that wasn't any better than Vinny. Parcells didn't invent the fake reverse. :rolleyes: Were you a Parcells fan before you were a Cowboys fan? I know there are plenty of posters on here that were.

a CB? try 3 CB, lost Glenn which in my opinion was a big blow to the passing game, J. Jones for most of the season. Been a Cowboys fan since 1966 way before Bill had made a name for himself.

[chargrove]

I agree with Bradshaw, and we will have a good head coach when we have a guy like Bob Stoops or someone similar. We need fresh perspective.
Well said, mein freunde.

[odog422]

Bullet, I wouldn't disagree with anything you wrote here. But that was not my original point. (Not speaking for others of course who have made different points in this thread).

My point is that I don't enjoy Parcell's style of football, and that is what we are going to get, so if we hope for anything else, forget it. What you see is what you get, and what you get is Giants, Jets, Patriots football in Dallas, Texas.

I don't like it, though I will continue to support my team, its players, and yes, for as long as he is here, our coach. I just don't enjoy this style, and I am truly sick of hearing about LT, Simms, Fouts, and all the others he speaks of. I love Cowboys history. I am a Cowboys fan. I think back about Cowboys players. Parcells only has an appreciation for Landry, beyond that, his whole universe is Giants, Jets, Patriots and apparently all the guys he admired from OTHER teams.

and what style would you like to see?

to start the year, when we had no running game, we were a passing team. when julius came back we attempted to run the ball and have balance.

if there is one thing that is consistent with parcells, it is that he plays to his perceived strengths.

so what exactly would you have him do?

of course im speaking offensively bc we all know he treasures and values a great defense and special teams, as does any coach worth his salt.

so again, what exactly are you looking for?

[Boy's fan in Giant land]

Parcells is the Yoda of the NFL. Even he cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

[HTownCowboysFan]

Re: the take that started this thread--what a load of crap.

Bill Parcells can't coach? Give me a friggin' break.

Frankly, some of the posts on this board just reek of idiocy.

The Cowboys are still paying for years of poor drafting and personell decisions. It's going to take another year or two to build up the talent base on this team. Give it a break.

As I've said here before, I'm sure happy as hell that some of you all are not in charge of this team.

[marsbennett]

:tunafan:


Son, that is classic....

I don't want the guy fired, but damn he sure is hardheaded as all get out..okay.

[SuspectCorner]

coaching in the age of "instant gratification". bill parcells has proved his mettle as an NFL head coach. he was proving it before some fans knew what a football was. he is sage - he is not senile. he is wisened yet imperfect. bill cowher has the longest tenure of any current head coach. what has he proven that parcells has not? if the team listened to every hot-headed fan (and Lord knows i've been guilty) they would turn over HCs and Co-ords MOST YEARS. i would very much like to see stability within the organization. bill parcells can provide that stability. i believe the team has more personnel issues (i.e. - a need for more talented players) than coaching or philosophy issues. if they can get the players in here - parcells will get this thing headed in the right direction.

[wileedog]

Kitty, do you REALLY believe that Parcells will start Henson or Romo next year? Hope your right, but I'm betting your wrong.


If Parcells gets what he wants to improve the rest of the team to his satisfaction - that is some constistency on the O-line, some reliable depth in case Glenn goes down again, Campbell back for blocking (not that there's anything wrong with Witten), and, oh yeah, a complete overhaul of the defense, then yes, I really do think Bill will start one of the kids. The emergence of Julius and a full off-season of conditioning for him is a huge step in that direction.

The very thing you dislike about Bill's attitude toward the QB is the very thing that may persuade him to do it - if the rest of the team is where Bill wants it to be, then he only needs the proverbial "bus driver." If Henson or Romo show enough in the off-season to drive the bus, then yes I think they start.

That doesn't mean a vet backup won't be brought in - yes, perhaps even Vinny - but I could definately see one of the kids taking the starting job in camp.

Keep in mind, while expectations were certainly lower for us last season, what exactly was our QB roster last year? Carter was going into his third year, but had missed much of his first season, and got benched for half of his second season. Hutchinson had seven crappy games after 4 years out of football. Romo was an UFA from Tinytown U. - i.e. a project in his first season.

Against all perceptions here, Bill went with the kids to see what he had in them.

I think he'll do it again, especially if, as I said, he feels the right parts are around them to succeed.