Playoffs

[So0fly33]

This is one of the scenarios for Dallas to make it into the playoffs:


1. The Cowboys beat the redskins and giants.
2. The Seahawks lose to the Cardinals and falcons.
3. The Rams beat either the Eagles or the jets.
4. The Bucaneers beat the Panthers and Cardinals.
5. Th Saints lose to the Falcons and Panthers.
6. The Lions and Bears lose at least one more game.

Result: Dallas, Seattle, Carolina, and Tampa Bay would finish tied for the final wild card spot at 7-9. The Boys, havin beatin the Seahawks, would have the best head to head record of th group and would win the tie-breker.

[diehard2294]

geez not another post about the playoffs PLEASE :banghead:

[Avery]

If we make the playoffs, Vinny starts.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

[DoomsDayD]

Please Please I Am Begging You People.....stop With The Playoff Scenario Posts I Am Beggin You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zack]

This is one of the scenarios for Dallas to make it into the playoffs:


1. The Cowboys beat the redskins and giants.
2. The Seahawks lose to the Cardinals and falcons.
3. The Rams beat either the Eagles or the jets.
4. The Bucaneers beat the Panthers and Cardinals.
5. Th Saints lose to the Falcons and Panthers.
6. The Lions and Bears lose at least one more game.

Result: Dallas, Seattle, Carolina, and Tampa Bay would finish tied for the final wild card spot at 7-9. The Boys, havin beatin the Seahawks, would have the best head to head record of th group and would win the tie-breker.

Hey thanks. Ya never know in today's NFL. It is nice to see it laid out.

[djmajestik]

If it was too much, then why are you in a thread with the subject "Playoffs"?

[So0fly33]

Heck no I have been sitting down most of the day trying to figure out the different scenarios for which Dallas could get in. A true Cowboys fan despite all the troubles they have been through still wants to see this team in the playoffs. I hope they get in so I can have a big party and chill with all my family and friends and have a good time its a tradition. Its not like we would get blown out in the first round anyway if we made it in.

[jobberone]

This is one of the scenarios for Dallas to make it into the playoffs:


1. The Cowboys beat the redskins and giants.
2. The Seahawks lose to the Cardinals and falcons.
3. The Rams beat either the Eagles or the jets.
4. The Bucaneers beat the Panthers and Cardinals.
5. Th Saints lose to the Falcons and Panthers.
6. The Lions and Bears lose at least one more game.

Result: Dallas, Seattle, Carolina, and Tampa Bay would finish tied for the final wild card spot at 7-9. The Boys, havin beatin the Seahawks, would have the best head to head record of th group and would win the tie-breker.

As Judy would say, "It could happen."

[The30YardSlant]

Playoffs!!!!!???? Were talking about playoffs???!!!

Sorry, but it had to be done.

[DoomsDayD]

If it was too much, then why are you in a thread with the subject "Playoffs"?
Because i am dying to see another YAHOO come up with a playoff scenario that puts a 7-9 team into the playoffs and is happy about it...that is why.Hope that answers your question.I tried to be as straight forward as i can.

[AdamJT13]

Result: Dallas, Seattle, Carolina, and Tampa Bay would finish tied for the final wild card spot at 7-9. The Boys, havin beatin the Seahawks, would have the best head to head record of th group and would win the tie-breker. In a three-way tie for the wild card, head-to-head applies ONLY if one team has beaten each of the others or lost to each of the others. That wouldn't apply in this case. In your scenario, Carolina would beat Tampa Bay for second place in the South based on common opponents (6-6 to 5-7). The three-way tie between Dallas, Carolina and Seattle would come down to strength of victory (total wins of teams beaten). Right now, the seven teams Dallas would have beaten have 35 wins to Carolina's 36 and Seattle's 32. So we'd need the teams we've beaten/will beat to win more games in the final two weeks than the teams Carolina has beaten, and keep Seattle from pulling ahead.

[Nors]

In a three-way tie for the wild card, head-to-head applies ONLY if one team has beaten each of the others or lost to each of the others. That wouldn't apply in this case. In your scenario, Carolina would beat Tampa Bay for second place in the South based on common opponents (6-6 to 5-7). The three-way tie between Dallas, Carolina and Seattle would come down to strength of victory (total wins of teams beaten). Right now, the seven teams Dallas would have beaten have 35 wins to Carolina's 36 and Seattle's 32. So we'd need the teams we've beaten/will beat to win more games in the final two weeks than the teams Carolina has beaten, and keep Seattle from pulling ahead.


Giants/Skins - that does not bolster our SOS. If we even win them.

Houston, Dallas playoff hopes has a problem.........

[blindzebra]

Here are the tie breaking procedures.

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

[So0fly33]

Jtadam It would come down to head to head because remeber seattle beat Carolina and tampa bay and we beat seattle giving us the tie breaker.

[So0fly33]

Doomsdayd You have to be a yahoo if you think that the cowboys dont have a shot. We are talking about how crappy the NFC is the cowboys are right in the thick of this race cmon man who would have thought that carolina could have come back into the playoff picture after starting 1-7. We have a better shot at making the playoffs thenthey did of coming back into the playoff picture.

[Nav22]

Why is everyone SO upset about the playoff possibilities being brought up?

We're mathematically alive, and being a diehard Dallas Cowboys fan, I'd LOVE to know how we could still get in.

Yes we're 5-9, yes we've sucked pretty much all year, but the NFC sucks too. Once you get into the playoffs, anything is possible. And we still have a very small shot at the playoffs.

[So0fly33]

My goal was to get some playoff talk on this board and it worked! Go Cowboys!

[AdamJT13]

Jtadam It would come down to head to head because remeber seattle beat Carolina and tampa bay and we beat seattle giving us the tie breaker.
Sorry, but that's NOT correct.

First of all, the tie between Carolina and Tampa Bay must be broken first, since they are in the same division. Here is the rule --

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

So Carolina wins that tiebreaker, leaving a three-way tie between Dallas, Carolina and Seattle (in this scenario).

The next step is head-to-head. Notice what it says in parentheses --

2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)

In this scenario, Dallas has beaten Seattle and Seattle has beaten Carolina. So the tiebreaker is not applicable -- none of the teams has beaten or lost to each of the others.

The next two steps are --

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

All three teams would be 6-6 in the NFC, and they wouldn't have four common games, so it would go to step five --

5. Strength of victory.

That's where the three-way tie should be decided. If that's a three-way tie, also, it goes to strength of schedule. Right now, Dallas and Carolina are tied at .513 (includes all 16 games), with Seattle well behind at .446. If the tiebreaker ever reverts to a two-way between Dallas and Carolina, in this particular scenario, Carolina would win based on common games (2-2 to 1-3).

[AdamJT13]

Giants/Skins - that does not bolster our SOS. If we even win them.
The Giants and Skins was already part of our strength-of-victory total (35), since that was the scenario presented.

By the way, there are plenty of other scenarios for us to make the playoffs if we win our final two games. For example, if Carolina loses to Tampa Bay and New Orleans, St. Louis loses to Philadelphia and the Jets, Atlanta beats New Orleans, Arizona beats Tampa Bay, and Detroit beats Tennessee and Chicago. We'd be in a three-way tiebreaker with Detroit and New Orleans, and we'd advance because of our 6-6 conference record (the other two teams would be 5-7).

As long as the Rams lose at least one more game (they play Philly and the Jets), the Panthers lose at least one more game and the Saints lose one more game (note that the Panthers and Saints play each other, so one has to lose unless they tie), we WILL be in a playoff tiebreaker if we win our final two games. IF that happens, some of us want to know whether we'll be playing another game -- not to try to win it, of course, but to evaluate players for next season.

[djmajestik]

Hey man, that's why I generally don't read threads with the words playoff in the posts, I don't want to see it. Was curious about this one and see everyone moaning about yet another playoff post. It's everyone's right to post here, and its equally your right not to read it.



Because i am dying to see another YAHOO come up with a playoff scenario that puts a 7-9 team into the playoffs and is happy about it...that is why.Hope that answers your question.I tried to be as straight forward as i can.

[jobberone]

The Giants and Skins was already part of our strength-of-victory total (35), since that was the scenario presented.

By the way, there are plenty of other scenarios for us to make the playoffs if we win our final two games. For example, if Carolina loses to Tampa Bay and New Orleans, St. Louis loses to Philadelphia and the Jets, Atlanta beats New Orleans, Arizona beats Tampa Bay, and Detroit beats Tennessee and Chicago. We'd be in a three-way tiebreaker with Detroit and New Orleans, and we'd advance because of our 6-6 conference record (the other two teams would be 5-7).

As long as the Rams lose at least one more game (they play Philly and the Jets), the Panthers lose at least one more game and the Saints lose one more game (note that the Panthers and Saints play each other, so one has to lose unless they tie), we WILL be in a playoff tiebreaker if we win our final two games. IF that happens, some of us want to know whether we'll be playing another game -- not to try to win it, of course, but to evaluate players for next season.

Well some good news as those scenarios are not that unlikely.

We should have beat Pittsburg. We could have beat Philly away. We suck at times and at others give a glimpse of what we could be. We can play at times

Again, if we make the playoffs then anything can happen. Somebody unexpected usually makes it to the big dance. Why not us?

If we make it. The Skins game will be tough as their defense is good. Should come down to turnovers. Giants will be tough there. Vinnie may have a little advantage there. We'll see.

Still interesting and a good thread. Thanks.

[MS17]

Discussions of Cowboys in this season's playoffs is tantamount to talk of John Kerry still considering a recount. Vincent Testaverde as starting QB tells you all you need to know.

[So0fly33]

Ms17 Because its over for kerry the Boys still at least have a chance.

[Tuna Helper]

The Giants and Skins was already part of our strength-of-victory total (35), since that was the scenario presented.

By the way, there are plenty of other scenarios for us to make the playoffs if we win our final two games. For example, if Carolina loses to Tampa Bay and New Orleans, St. Louis loses to Philadelphia and the Jets, Atlanta beats New Orleans, Arizona beats Tampa Bay, and Detroit beats Tennessee and Chicago. We'd be in a three-way tiebreaker with Detroit and New Orleans, and we'd advance because of our 6-6 conference record (the other two teams would be 5-7).

As long as the Rams lose at least one more game (they play Philly and the Jets), the Panthers lose at least one more game and the Saints lose one more game (note that the Panthers and Saints play each other, so one has to lose unless they tie), we WILL be in a playoff tiebreaker if we win our final two games. IF that happens, some of us want to know whether we'll be playing another game -- not to try to win it, of course, but to evaluate players for next season.

Adam,

I am no expert on this, but wouldn't New Orleans advance ahead of us since they beat us head to head?

[Tuna Helper]

http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/NFL/77_Jim-Mora.JPG

Playoffs???!??? Playoffs???!???

You're talking about the playoffs???!???

:D

[RoyBiscuit]

http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/NFL/77_Mora_FP_AP_MichaelConroy.JPG
"Playoffs??!! Are you kidding me? PLAYOFFS??!"

[RoyBiscuit]

damn....beat me to it, Tuna...

[Wulfman]

Adam,

I am no expert on this, but wouldn't New Orleans advance ahead of us since they beat us head to head?

No. As I understand it, New Orleans would win a head-to-head tiebreaker with Dallas, but only if they're the only two teams involved. The same is true with the Cowboys and Lions. We would win the tiebreaker head-to-head against Detroit, but with a third team involved that tiebreaker isn't used unless one team has either beaten or been beaten by each of the other two teams. Since there would be three teams tied, there are different tiebreakers used.