Veteran QBs

[gbrittain]

I posted the following in another thread the other day, but I am kind of curious what you think about trying to find our next QB in free agency.

According to the research I did I would say the chances are very slim Dallas will find their QB that will lead Dallas to the promised land via FA.

To add to that out of all the Superbowl winning QBs I believe the only ones who were veteran QBs which were not developed by the winning team are Len Dawson, Jim Plunkett, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams and Steve Young.

Not good odds considering Doug Williams was not even supposed to be starting (he was the back up), Trent Dilfer really had nothing to do with that Superbowl, and to a lesser extent Brad Johnson as well.

Odds are we better hope Henson is the guy or draft a QB this April.








The following is a list of QBs which are firmly entrenched as the QB of the present and the future for their respective teams:

* = QB not drafted by the team the QB plays for now
1. Patrick Ramsey Washington
2. Rex Grossman Chicago
3. Kyle Boller Baltimore
4. Steve McNair Tennessee
5. Michael Vick Atlanta
6. Carson Palmer Cinncinnati
7. Joey Harrington Detroit
8. Aaron Brooks New Orleans *
9. David Carr Houston
10. Byron Leftwich Jacksonville
11. Eli Manning NY Giants
12. Brett Favre Green Bay *
13. Marc Bulger St. Louis
14. Tom Brady New England
15. Chad Pennington NY Jets
16. Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh
17. Trent Green Kansas City *
18. Donovan McNabb Philadelphia
19. Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers San Diego
20. Peyton Manning Indianapolis
21. Daunte Culpepper Minnesota
22. Jake Delhomme Carolina *
23. Jake Plummer Denver *
24. Matt Hasselbeck Seattle *


Now look at the "settled" QB situations. Only six of the QBs were not drafted by the team they for now. Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks and Brett Favre were drafted by a different team but they had a grand total of 34 passes between three of them when they were traded. They were unknown commodities.

Down to three. These guys were true veterans. Actually that is not true, but I am going to let Jake Delhomme stay in this group. Jake Delhomme had played five years for the Saints and yet only thrown a grand total of 86 passes. In my opinion that in an unknown commodity, but given the five years in the league I will list him with the vets.

Down to two. Jake Plummer and Trent Green. Two veteran QBs who were let go by their former teams. Only one is any good. Jake Plummer remains just as inconsistent as the day he departed Arizona.

Trent Green is the only veteran QB who was let go and managed to establish himself as the future of another team.

On the other end of the spectrum you have those teams which do not have an established QB:

Unsettled QB situations:
1. Vinny Testaverde Dallas *
2. Drew Bledsoe Buffalo *
3. Kelly Holcomb Clevland *
4. Brian Griese Tampa Bay *
5. Kerry Collins Oakland *
6. Tim Rattay San Fransisco
7. Josh McCown Arizona
8. A.J. Feeley Miami *

Out of the eight teams with unsettled QB situations only two of them were drafted by the team they play for.

I would not be surprised to see Clevland, Oakland, San Fran, Arizona or Miami draft a QB with their #1 if they are in a position to do so this April.

Buffalo and Tampa Bay both have promising young QBs on their roster who could very well be their future in JP Losman and Chris Simms.

There are exceptions to every rule, but succesfull QBs are almost always developed by the team they play for and remain with that team for as long as they are in their prime.

Dallas needs to develop Drew Henson or draft their future, I am not in favor of other teams sloppy seconds.

History says most teams do not let good veteran QBs walk. If they are allowed to go like Plummer was let go you have to ask yourself...why?

[silver]

Of the 10 QB's that took their team to the Super Bowl the past 5 years only Steve McNair & Tom Brady (twice) got there with their original team that drafted them. So that's a 30% success ratio with teams developing their own talent at QB.

1999
Kurt Warner*
Steve McNair

2000
Trent Dilfer*
Kerry Collins*

2001
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner*

2002
Brad Johnson*
Rich Gannon*

2003
Tom Brady
Jake Delhome*

*Not with their original team

[gbrittain]

Of the 10 QB's that took their team to the Super Bowl the past 5 years only Steve McNair & Tom Brady (twice) got there with their original team that drafted them. So that's a 30% success ratio with teams developing their own talent at QB.

1999
Kurt Warner*
Steve McNair

2000
Trent Dilfer*
Kerry Collins*

2001
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner*

2002
Brad Johnson*
Rich Gannon*

2003
Tom Brady
Jake Delhome*

*Not with their original team

I am referring to Superbowl winners.

I mentioned Trent and Brad. Kurt was developed by the Rams. I know he played arena football, but his only NFL playing experience was with the Rams.

My point is that teams do not knowingly for the most part let good veteran QBs go.

[silver]

IMy point is that teams do not knowingly for the most part let good veteran QBs go.

Yes, but it has been proven that lesser talent has been able to win the big one and the marquee names of today's NFL (Manning, McNabb, Culpepper) can't get there. In today's NFL it's too hard to wait 4 or 5 years to develop a QB. Look at San Diego, they had already drafted Brees replacement and all of the sudden the guy developed. I doubt our team will wait 4 years to see Henson develop. He'll either be ready in 2 years or will be someone else's project in my humble opinion.

[gbrittain]

Yes, but it has been proven that lesser talent has been able to win the big one and the marquee names of today's NFL (Manning, McNabb, Culpepper) can't get there. In today's NFL it's too hard to wait 4 or 5 years to develop a QB. Look at San Diego, they had already drafted Brees replacement and all of the sudden the guy developed. I doubt our team will wait 4 years to see Henson develop. He'll either be ready in 2 years or will be someone else's project in my humble opinion.

I would not be naive enough to say that just because you have a goog QB like a Manning, McNabb or Culpepper that you will make a Superbowl.

History says the team that wins the Superbowl will have developed the Superbowl winning QB 31 out of 38 times.

The expceptions being Jim Plunkett twice, Len Dawson, Steve Young, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, and Brad Johnson.

You can almost guarantee that after this years Superbowl it will be 32 out of 39 times.

I dont care what has been done in the past, the odds are not in your favor that you will pick up some other teams QB and win a Superbowl with him.

[SuspectCorner]

ramsey, grossman, harrington, and brooks don't look like all that to me. i wouldn't refer to them as entrenched. more like embattled. mccown is not much shakier than any of these guys.
there are plenty of options to the "vinny and the kids" plan. i think dallas could get kelly holcomb on the cheap. he's been a starter, a lot younger than vinny, and would give us the depth we don't have going vinny-romo-henson.

[gbrittain]

ramsey, grossman, harrington, and brooks don't look like all that to me. i wouldn't refer to them as entrenched. more like embattled. mccown is not much shakier than any of these guys.
there are plenty of options to the "vinny and the kids" plan. i think dallas could get kelly holcomb on the cheap. he's been a starter, a lot younger than vinny, and would give us the depth we don't have going vinny-romo-henson.


By entrenched I do not mean that they are good. The teams have made an investment in them and by most accounts they will be the starters next year.

For arguments sake just to make my point lets say one of these QBs are let go by their team.

For the most part that is a clear signal that we should not be interested in them as well.

We can get all kind of QBs on the cheap. I am simply saying history pretty much says that guy will not be the answer.

[Sandman]

Nice post. Couldn't agree more..Either spend the #1 on Leinhart or develop Henson..