Great site to look to if youre concerned about lies

[locked&loaded]

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

Here is healthcare reform since its a very popular topic. We need reforma and we need a public option, we are falling behind. One of the strongest nations should have the strongest healthcare system, for ALL people.

[DIAF]

I predict this thread will end well.

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[masomenos]

I predict this thread will end well.

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Please, pass the popcorn.

:popcorn:

[ScipioCowboy]

Factcheck.org is simultaneously everyone's best friend and everyone's worst enemy.:D

[ShiningStar]

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

Here is healthcare reform since its a very popular topic. We need reforma and we need a public option, we are falling behind. One of the strongest nations should have the strongest healthcare system, for ALL people.


Tell you what, you give me 5 businesses that were successes after the government took over and we'll talk about it. If not, take a gander at some of those businesses and tell me if you want our government in charge.

[DIAF]

Tell you what, you give me 5 businesses that were successes after the government took over and we'll talk about it. If not, take a gander at some of those businesses and tell me if you want our government in charge.

...for ALL people!

why do you hate people!

[ShiningStar]

...for ALL people!

why do you hate people!


why do you hate your country so?

[ScipioCowboy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/cowboyszone/political/hate_rosa.jpg

I'll tell you who I don't hate:

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[burmafrd]

yawn.

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

[zrinkill]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/cowboyszone/political/hate_rosa.jpg


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[jwhardin]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
Going to a VA hospital is almost like commiting sucide:bang2:

[DIAF]

I would like to point out that the mods won't allow me to keep my Rosa Parks avatar.

WHY DO THEY HATE THIS WOMAN

[jimmy40]

I would like to point out that the mods won't allow me to keep my Rosa Parks avatar.

WHY DO THEY HATE THIS WOMANI guess if you only post in the political forum it might be OK.

[DIAF]

I guess if you only post in the political forum it might be OK.

Its a joke

[JBond]

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

Here is healthcare reform since its a very popular topic. We need reforma and we need a public option, we are falling behind. One of the strongest nations should have the strongest healthcare system, for ALL people.


Kinda like medicare and medicaid? Those government disasters are failing horribly and now Obama wants to steal 200 million dollars from medicare (which is almost bankrupt) to pay for Obama Care. Are you crazy?

[JBond]

I would like to point out that the mods won't allow me to keep my Rosa Parks avatar.

WHY DO THEY HATE THIS WOMAN

I believe that should be a private discussion between you and the mods. personally I would prefer a little more leeway but the rules are the rules. Now if you ever want to get a group together to look at possible rule changes, I'm with you. Several mods have explained to me if there is enough interest they are willing to look at any concerns.

[DIAF]

I believe that should be a private discussion between you and the mods. personally I would prefer a little more leeway but the rules are the rules. Now if you ever want to get a group together to look at possible rule changes, I'm with you. Several mods have explained to me if there is enough interest they are willing to look at any concerns.

IT WAS A JOKE! I just wanted to use our newest polizone mem on the mods!

[Viper]

Kinda like medicare and medicaid? Those government disasters are failing horribly and now Obama wants to steal 200 million dollars from medicare (which is almost bankrupt) to pay for Obama Care. Are you crazy?

This has baffled me, if we have a national medical system for all why would we need medicare and medicaid?

[JBond]

IT WAS A JOKE! I just wanted to use our newest polizone mem on the mods!

Ah. Missed the memo. Thanks. It seemed out of character for you. My apologies.

[JBond]

This has baffled me, if we have a national medical system for all why would we need medicare and medicaid?

You can never eliminate old government plans without the wrath of the current users ascending on you. So they just add more and more plans. It is just how they work. I think the opposition to Obama care is missing a great marketing opportunity with the video of Barry saying he is going to take away $200 billion to care for our senior citizens to funnel into his plan. No better way to enrage some older folks than to tell them you are gutting the funding for their current health care.

[CowboyDan]

You can never eliminate old government plans without the wrath of the current users ascending on you. So they just add more and more plans. It is just how they work. I think the opposition to Obama care is missing a great marketing opportunity with the video of Barry saying he is going to take away $200 billion to care for our senior citizens to funnel into his plan. No better way to enrage some older folks than to tell them you are gutting the funding for their current health care.

Are you referring to this:

"Congress plans to pay for health care reform by cutting $500 billion from Medicare." The ad doesn’t mention that the $500 billion is a gross figure that counts only proposed cuts while ignoring any increases, including a big increase the bill proposes in projected payments to doctors. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10464/hr3200.pdf) has estimated that the House bill would result in "savings" of $219 billion after all increases and decreases are netted out.

Because if so, all you had to do was keep reading.

[iceberg]

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

Here is healthcare reform since its a very popular topic. We need reforma and we need a public option, we are falling behind. One of the strongest nations should have the strongest healthcare system, for ALL people.

we're falling behind? is this falling behind countries who are failing in the public option?

so let me ask you - how are you going to pay for this "need"?
is it really insurance that's the issue, or is it deeper and people just wanna band aid stuff up?
you say ALL the people, but that's not what obama is after - he's got people in power for this who feels it's ok for an old person to die if it makes "the collective" stronger.

so i'll ask again - give me your views on *a* public option and do you agree or disagree with obama on what he's trying to do?

[iceberg]

Are you referring to this:

"Congress plans to pay for health care reform by cutting $500 billion from Medicare." The ad doesn’t mention that the $500 billion is a gross figure that counts only proposed cuts while ignoring any increases, including a big increase the bill proposes in projected payments to doctors. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10464/hr3200.pdf) has estimated that the House bill would result in "savings" of $219 billion after all increases and decreases are netted out.

Because if so, all you had to do was keep reading.

please, don't use numbers when they suit you. if you're going to use what obama says are out there for numbers, tell me why he misread how bad the economy was (by his own admission, not me putting words in his mouth) and it will take longer.

tell me where the "no new taxes for those making less than $250k" died along the way?

so until you can provide a total picture with numbers, stop the slicing. i can do that too and it's a very boring game.

[CowboyDan]

please, don't use numbers when they suit you. if you're going to use what obama says are out there for numbers, tell me why he misread how bad the economy was (by his own admission, not me putting words in his mouth) and it will take longer.

tell me where the "no new taxes for those making less than $250k" died along the way?

so until you can provide a total picture with numbers, stop the slicing. i can do that too and it's a very boring game.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e80/cdeeds7/deez/PulpFiction_Jewels_Soda.gif I DON'T REMEMBER ASKING YOU A..... ahhhh forget it.

Seriously though, what are you even talking about? The numbers (and the quotes) I took were a.) out of the article in question, b.) were quoted from statements made in the ad the article is disputing and c.) from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10464/hr3200.pdf), and directly dispute the comment JBond made. So which one of those is "what Obama says are out there for numbers"?