What have we won?

[devotedfan]

Makes BMT look like a genius, Interceptiverde look like a hero, and we now pick after Washington in the draft. Go figure?

[Ken]

Your an idiot.

I'll take a win over that team over a couple of slots in the draft any day.

[jdnalls]

Makes BMT look like a genius, Interceptiverde look like a hero, and we now pick after Washington in the draft. Go figure?
Yeah, the only thing this win does for us is boosts Parcells already enormous ego.

To hell with Vinny, and to hell with Parcells.

Thanks for nothing.

[irvin88]

We won Nothing. It kills our draft. I have no confidence in Jerry and Bill picking outta the top 10.

[SuspectCorner]

perfect spiral vinny dropped into crayton who sailed. take that redskins. out.

[jdnalls]

We won Nothing. It kills our draft. I have no confidence in Jerry and Bill picking outta the top 10.
No offense, but I don't have confidence in Jerry and Parcells picking in the Top 10 either.

[The30YardSlant]

What kind of fairweather fan wants their team to lose? F*** all of you, Ill take a win over anyone, especially over the foreskins, over draft position any day. Go be a Redskin fan if that is your attitude toward the game...pathetic. :banghead:

[calico]

what is this...since when do REAL cowboys fans want to lose a game...especially to the skins.

Give me a break. take you bottle and .

[Boy's fan in Giant land]

What kind of fairweather fan wants their team to lose? F*** all of you, Ill take a win over anyone, especially over the foreskins, over draft position any day. Go be a Redskin fan if that is your attitude toward the game...pathetic. :banghead:

You took the words right out of my mouth HH. Jeez, even after a last minute win over the hated Foreskins, we come in here in a good mood for a change only to have it soured by perpetual whiners.

[Gaede]

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about this game

On one hand, my respect for Parcells has declined almost to complete dis-respect. His unwillingness to change QB's is so frustrating so as to push us fans to the point of disregarding our favourite football team. I found myself somewhat cheering after every bad play directly related to Mr.T--sacks, overthrows, all of that. If Mr. T continued to suck and sabotage the team, I thought, then eventually Parcells would have to bench him. But...........through thick and thin, the only player who never gets into Parcells' always open 'hotel' is the one who deserves it most. I cannot stand to watch, or as in todays case, listen, to another Cowboys game with Vinny as the QB. A quarterback this bad does not give any team the 'best chance to win'...

But on the other hand we did beat the Skins, and I hate the Skins.

Hate of Mr. T vs. hate of the Skins

I'm not sure which is greater

[Ken]

unreal.

Somehow we found JJ and Witten out of the 1st.

The draft position means nothing.
We tore the heart out of the skins for sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake the hell up!

[jdnalls]

What kind of fairweather fan wants their team to lose? F*** all of you, Ill take a win over anyone, especially over the foreskins, over draft position any day. Go be a Redskin fan if that is your attitude toward the game...pathetic. :banghead:
Hey HH, continue to drink your damn koolaid and put on those wonderful rose-colored glasses that you seem to be wearing.

[jdnalls]

Hate of Mr. T vs. hate of the Skins

I'm not sure which is greater
For this season... the hate of Mr. T hands down.

At least the foreskins fans have something to look forward to.

We have yet another week and likely another season of the Testicles as our starting Qb.

[SuspectCorner]

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about this game

On one hand, my respect for Parcells has declined almost to complete dis-respect. His unwillingness to change QB's is so frustrating so as to push us fans to the point of disregarding our favourite football team. I found myself somewhat cheering after every bad play directly related to Mr.T--sacks, overthrows, all of that. If Mr. T continued to suck and sabotage the team, I thought, then eventually Parcells would have to bench him. But...........through thick and thin, the only player who never gets into Parcells' always open 'hotel' is the one who deserves it most. I cannot stand to watch, or as in todays case, listen, to another Cowboys game with Vinny as the QB. A quarterback this bad does not give any team the 'best chance to win'...

But on the other hand we did beat the Skins, and I hate the Skins.

Hate of Mr. T vs. hate of the Skins

I'm not sure which is greater
the cowboys beat the 'skins. all is right with the world. where's the conflict here. you need to get your helmet on square. you are missing the forest for the trees.

[ghst187]

unreal.

Somehow we found JJ and Witten out of the 1st.

The draft position means nothing.
We tore the heart out of the skins for sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake the hell up!

Kevin Jones sure has been tearin it up though. He looks awesome. I realize this is pretty preliminary but KJ actually looks like he might have been worth the difference of him and JJ. JJ better play well next year and we better get a very good player with Buffahoes pick.

[BlueWave]

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about this game

On one hand, my respect for Parcells has declined almost to complete dis-respect. His unwillingness to change QB's is so frustrating so as to push us fans to the point of disregarding our favourite football team. I found myself somewhat cheering after every bad play directly related to Mr.T--sacks, overthrows, all of that. If Mr. T continued to suck and sabotage the team, I thought, then eventually Parcells would have to bench him. But...........through thick and thin, the only player who never gets into Parcells' always open 'hotel' is the one who deserves it most. I cannot stand to watch, or as in todays case, listen, to another Cowboys game with Vinny as the QB. A quarterback this bad does not give any team the 'best chance to win'...

But on the other hand we did beat the Skins, and I hate the Skins.

Hate of Mr. T vs. hate of the Skins

I'm not sure which is greater

I don't hate Testaverde. I actually like him. But, I don't want him as the starting QB anymore. I'm happy for him and I hope he just ended his season on a high note. He gives 100% on every play, every week. It's not his fault he's 41 and well past a prime that is questionable to say the least. But, all that being said, I really like the guy as a person and I'm happy for him after that TD. Now, it is time to start Henson.

[Ken]

Hey HH, continue to drink your damn koolaid and put on those wonderful rose-colored glasses that you seem to be wearing.
Come on JD,

I know you have more sense than this. I hate Testeverde too, but I also understand he won't be the qb next year.

I thought our defense played well these past two games. We need that.

Newman played well again. Good pressure up front. Keyshawn was huge.

There was a lot of good out there. Redskins fans are jumping off buildings as I type. It is truly beautiful.

I don't understand the hatred for Parcells, he proved he was right today. I'm fine with that.

[twa]

All this complaining is BS..yes we dropped a little in the draft...yes we did not get a look at Romo....But we beat the SKINS and gave Gibbs his first 10 loss season......enjoy it for a few minutes at least :banghead:

[twa]

I don't hate Testaverde. I actually like him. But, I don't want him as the starting QB anymore. I'm happy for him and I hope he just ended his season on a high note. He gives 100% on every play, every week. It's not his fault he's 41 and well past a prime that is questionable to say the least. But, all that being said, I really like the guy as a person and I'm happy for him after that TD. Now, it is time to start Henson.
Great post,show a little class people ;)

[boysfanindc]

Does 4 or 5 places in the draft matter, one thing Gibbs understands is the big MO. It effects everything. You can have a team that starts to believe in itself and it effects everything. How you approach your off season workouts etc.

Think it about where you work, if you believe things are starting to turn around, that your mangement knows what they are doing you may buy in.

If you feel it is useless, then you don't take it serious.

I would much rather win the last 2 games and start to feel we have a player or two who can make a difference, Witten, jones, crayton etc. and feel good about our selves. Then lose the last 3 games if the year and pick 4 to 5 places higher.

It is about building a attitude, VT will not start next year so get over it, let's believe there is a chance to progress.

[Novacek84]

. you are missing the forest for the trees.
What forest are some of us missing? All I know is not finding an answer to our QB problem in a season we are playing out the string so we can win a meaningless game vs Washington is not acceptable. I want to beat the Redskins and everybody else in games that MEAN SOMETHING IN A PLAYOFF DRIVE. That will not happen unless a replacement for Vinny is found for 2005. We will not find that person playing Vinny until the bitter end OF meaningless games. A game with two 5-9 teams means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So I'm all for having mixed feelings on this win. A win is always great and I will never hope to lose, but the fact that Vinny redeemed himself is what disturbs me and many others here.

[Gaede]

the cowboys beat the 'skins. all is right with the world. where's the conflict here. you need to get your helmet on square. you are missing the forest for the trees.

I know. I'm just so confused. I absolutely HATE Vinny. I cannot stand him. I was at the point today where I ended up cheering against him instead of cheering for the team. But he did get us a win (though I'm sure with a different QB the winning TD would've been in the third quarter) against the Cowboy's biggest rival.

I don't care about draft position. I'd never want the team to lose. But I have a very very very very very very strong desire to see Vinny lose. AS LONG AS it gets someone else in the game. In this case, Vinny sucked, but wasn't benched. BUT it worked out okay, so I'm not as upset. But too many times this season we've seen the exact same scenario as today, Vinny=sucks through 3 quarters, somehow the Boys are still in the game, and Vinny ****s up and loses the game. It's just been such a frustrating season, painful and devoid of almost any hope at all. It is then understandable when you see fans welcome a loss, as a sort or means to an end. To get change.

But I do not welcome losses. And I don't cheer against my team. We won and I'm happy about that.

But I do root against our QB. I don't how wrong that is. I don't care what anyone here says. I cannot cheer for Vinny

[devotedfan]

For all the koolaid drinkers that believe a win is always better than a loss, look at the bigger picture. I like to aspire to something higher than a meaningless last minute win over a 5-9 team led by a geriatric and a mule.

[twa]

Does 4 or 5 places in the draft matter, one thing Gibbs understands is the big MO. It effects everything. You can have a team that starts to believe in itself and it effects everything. How you approach your off season workouts etc.

Think it about where you work, if you believe things are starting to turn around, that your mangement knows what they are doing you may buy in.

If you feel it is useless, then you don't take it serious.

I would much rather win the last 2 games and start to feel we have a player or two who can make a difference, Witten, jones, crayton etc. and feel good about our selves. Then lose the last 3 games if the year and pick 4 to 5 places higher.

It is about building a attitude, VT will not start next year so get over it, let's believe there is a chance to progress.
Great post .....it is about developing a team ,not giving a QB a chance :banghead:

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

What we got from this game is the team learned once again that with Bill he always wants to win. Bill will do whatever he thinks will give him the best shot to do so too. I can live with that. So long as the team is fighting to win I can't ever give up on them.

JD I am surprized by what you said buddy. The team played hard, stupidly at times but for the most part when Vinnie was geting pounded right and left he rallyed the troups and tryed again. No yelling at our line, no yelling at drops and he never has a bad word when the reporters are around. He just did his job as well as he could.

:skins:

[Novacek84]

It's just been such a frustrating season, painful and devoid of almost any hope at all. It is then understandable when you see fans welcome a loss, as a sort or means to an end. To get change.

But I do not welcome losses. And I don't cheer against my team. We won and I'm happy about that.

But I do root against our QB. I don't how wrong that is. I don't care what anyone here says. I cannot cheer for Vinny
Good post. This is the essence of what those of us who want to see Henson now are feeling. We simply do not want to waste another season in 2005 wondering who our long term QB will be. I personally don't want to experience another 6-10 year next year.

[Novacek84]

For all the koolaid drinkers that believe a win is always better than a loss, look at the bigger picture. I like to aspire to something higher than a meaningless last minute win over a 5-9 team led by a geriatric and a mule.
AMEN. Something higher in 2005- like the playoffs!!

[Parcells Guy]

the draft is a little overrated.

just lurking on a redskins board after this win was well worth the draft change. oh the pain, the beautiful, beautiful pain...

[Novacek84]

Great post .....it is about developing a team ,not giving a QB a chance :banghead:
Unfortunately in the world of the NFL developing a team means developing a leader and in the NFL that man is the QB.

[Jersey]

What's really fudged up is that BP will only replace vINTy if we are up big. However, with him at QB that will never be the case. Now we'll have to hear more BS as to why he should start next week. We are taking major steps backward as long as he takes snaps. Did anyone notice how f-upped that pass to JJ was on fourth and 2. Not only did he miss a wide open Keyshawn, but locked on JJ the whole way, & threw him a flutterball to his back shoulder! do you call that? Oh I know, "our best chance to win".

[Chuck 54]

I spent most of the game wanting to see JJ and Witten make big plays, wanting to see Roy knock someone out, but quietly hoping the skins would pull it out and we'd end up with a top 5-6 draft pick as some of the other 5 win teams won this week.

However, when we won the game, I enjoyed it, thought about the great pain my fellow Virginians who are Redskins fans must be feeling, and accepted our draft position....odds are we'd beat the Giants next week and have a lower pick anyway, so might as well go all out and defeat the rotten Skins...hehehe.

As for Romo, I don't really give a damn if he ever sees the field because I feel certain he won't be on this team next season anyway...I don't believe for a second that he will ever be a starting QB in the NFL. Next year's starting QB is not currently on our roster...if he is, then God help us all because next season will be worse than this one.

The win was sweet :skins:

[Randy White]

Anybody remember last year's victory over the Deadskins ? How about the year before ?

What about the 10th win out of the 14 ?

[Jersey]

This was the only time I've ever felt "numb" by a win. We stole a game from a bad football team. We played terribly on offense against an overrated defense. The sight of vINTy & Richie Anderson in the game make me sick. The only reason either are collecting a paycheck are because of Parcels blind loyalty to them. You know BP will play vinny again in NY to leave with a "big win" in his home town.

[twa]

Anybody remember last year's victory over the Deadskins ? How about the year before ?

What about the 10th win out of the 14 ?
I remember...I also remember the last loss.....I like the wins better :banghead:

[Randy White]

I prefer championships over a 6th win in a 9 losses season.

[Avery]

Redskins fans are jumping off buildings as I type. It is truly beautiful.

I had to smile when I read that. It's true to an extent as extremeskins is bustling with the prototypical 'Fire Gibbs' and 'Roy is a dirty player' threads.

I love tearing the heart out of those that do nothing but trash talk and then gimp back to their den to lick their wounds. They'll be back again to do the same.

We continued our dominance of the Redskins. Not in-game dominance since we played terrible today, rather our aura of pissing in their freshly made fondue.

We are 6-9. They are 5-10. We beat them there and we beat them here. We ended up being better than them this season. 14 of 15 is impressive no matter how you slice it.

At least we saw flashes of hope for next season today. A defense that came to play with Newman, Shanle, Glover, Ellis, Roy, all guys who may bring us better days ahead.

It will be a fun ride during the offseason. Draft day is probably one of my favorite days of the year and I don't know why. It just makes me giddy thinking about it. Maybe it's because, like Christmas, we've got presents to unwrap but we don't know what they are.

But that's tomorrow and today's today. We won a game we probably didn't deserve to win. But then again...

View my sig.

[VA Cowboy]

I prefer championships over a 6th win in a 9 losses season.

And your point?

You really think losing and gaining a couple of spots in the draft is going to be the difference in us being a championship team or not?

I think I'll take the win over the Redskins and enjoy it for what it is - even if it means draftin 11th instead of 7th or 8th.

And the way we all know how Jerry drafts, I don't think draft position is going to make that much difference. Heck, we may end up moving down anyways.

[tyke1doe]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did the Patriots have a lot of top 10 draft choices?

I'll take the win. A loss is mitigated by the fact that we'll get a higher draft slot, but I like winning better.

[Randy White]

And your point?

Would have prefered to see Henson and/or Romo on the field, no matter the outcome, as opposed to Vinny

You really think losing and gaining a couple of spots in the draft is going to be the difference in us being a championship team or not?

Possibly. It did in 1989.

I think I'll take the win over the Redskins and enjoy it for what it is - even if it means draftin 11th instead of 7th or 8th. And the way we all know how Jerry drafts, I don't think draft position is going to make that much difference. Heck, we may end up moving down anyways.

Perhaps.

Then again, this win might be the difference between a playmaker and just a good player, but it's not just the draft possition I'm really concerned with. I'm more concerned with the development of the young QBs. Each game they don't play in this useless season, it's a game they are going to need in future years, meaning prolonging their growing pains.

[Lifer]

Your an idiot.

I'll take a win over that team over a couple of slots in the draft any day.


Ken, it's an observation like that that makes you a senior member! Your Absolutely Right!

[VA Cowboy]

Would have prefered to see Henson and/or Romo on the field, no matter the outcome, as opposed to Vinny

Possibly. It did in 1989.


Well, this ain't 1989. We aren't talking about gaining the #1 pick.

In '01 we had the 6th pick and traded down to 8th and still got Roy. That final loss that year didn't gain us squat.

In '02 we drafted 5th and got Newman. All year long I've seen people say they wished we'd drafted Suggs or Leftwich or K. Williams, etc. All of those players were taken after the 5th pick. We could've won another game and still got a player just as good or better than who we selected.

Last year we actually traded down from the 1st round into the 2nd.


Three years in a row we could've won an extra game and still done just the same or better in the draft.

Maybe today's win will cost us a future HOF player. But odds are, the extra 3-4 spots won't make a whole lot of difference.

All I know is we've had 9 weeks this year to whine, I don't see why I should do it following a win today.

[KINGBRICE_28]

overrated defense.

Um.....Is this a belief of your own or did an expert say this? If you watch any of the pregame shows ANY time the skins' defense is mentioned they are coined as UNDER-rated because of the lack of big names and ZERO offense. That defense is exusted by the 3rd quarter because they stay on the field so much.....

[The30YardSlant]

Um.....Is this a belief of your own or did an expert say this? If you watch any of the pregame shows ANY time the skins' defense is mentioned they are coined as UNDER-rated because of the lack of big names and ZERO offense. That defense is exusted by the 3rd quarter because they stay on the field so much.....

Sean Taylor looked tired when he got burned by Patrick Crayton :p

[Dough Boy]

Um.....Is this a belief of your own or did an expert say this? If you watch any of the pregame shows ANY time the skins' defense is mentioned they are coined as UNDER-rated because of the lack of big names and ZERO offense. That defense is exusted by the 3rd quarter because they stay on the field so much.....

If you listen to any of the DC based radio shows you would not make this comment. Up here, the defense is considered to be of Super Bowl quailty.

Sorry, but I must call B.S.

[KINGBRICE_28]

If you listen to any of the DC based radio shows you would not make this comment. Up here, the defense is considered to be of Super Bowl quailty.

Sorry, but I must call B.S.


I'm lost......which side are you agreed with?......

[Dough Boy]

I'm lost......which side are you agreed with?......

on sports talk 980, DC based station, the guys think the Skins defense is of Super Bowl quailty.

I'm in agreement that they are not overrated.

[KINGBRICE_28]

on sports talk 980, DC based station, the guys think the Skins defense is of Super Bowl quailty.

I'm in agreement that they are not overrated.

gotcha....ok...you just quoted the wrong person then......ok....phew.....I was really confused there......lol...... :)

[Danny White]

Anybody remember last year's victory over the Deadskins ? How about the year before ?

What about the 10th win out of the 14 ?

I remember them all. The one constant... every time the Skins are convinced they are better and will win. And they are always wrong (unless Hutch is at the helm). It's a beautiful thing. I will never regret a victory over this hated rival. I refuse to even acknowledge any negatives in it at all.

It was awesome.

Appreciate it now, fellow Cowboys fans. And worry about the off season in the off season.

[Dough Boy]

gotcha....ok...you just quoted the wrong person then......ok....phew.....I was really confused there......lol...... :)

We are on the same page... The skins D is not overrated. If Sean Taylor plays his keys and not Key (no bun intended) the skins D would not look overrated...


OK, Big, huge, gi-normous bun intended ;)

[TheSkaven]

Makes BMT look like a genius, Interceptiverde look like a hero, and we now pick after Washington in the draft. Go figure?
You're being silly, we had countless high draft picks after those three 5-11 seasons and where have they gotten us? We draft where we draft, but when the football season is in tow you root for the Cowboys in every game.

Now, would I have rather won the game with our younger guns? Yes. But I'll take a good game from Julius Jones and a game winning touchdown catch from Patrick Crayton to go along with our geriatric quarterback.

Nothing personal, but any fan who would root against the Cowboys when they're playing the 'skins isn't much of a fan!

[AdamJT13]

Draft position is overrated, unless you're talking about trading picks. Other than the first few picks -- and even then, a lot of times -- the first player chosen at each position usually doesn't end up being the best at his position to come out of that draft. Good drafting always makes up for lower draft position, and bad drafting makes better draft position even worse because you're wasting more money than you would if you had drafted later.

[Dale]

Pride. A little pride by continuing the streak of dominance over the Redskins despite this team's current wores.

Prior to today's game, I saw a number of posts at ExtremeSkins suggesting a Gibbs-led victory today could be what they needed to return to glory. Simply not seeing such silliness discussed any longer is good enough for me.

[jay cee]

Draft position is overrated, unless you're talking about trading picks. Other than the first few picks -- and even then, a lot of times -- the first player chosen at each position usually doesn't end up being the best at his position to come out of that draft. Good drafting always makes up for lower draft position, and bad drafting makes better draft position even worse because you're wasting more money than you would if you had drafted later.
Excellent points Adam. I don't understand why that is so hard for so many people to see. The NFL draft is not like the NBA (before all the high schoolers started declaring) You don't have to pick in the top 5 to get a star player.

If you draft well and coach well, you will develop star players no matter where you pick.