Pregame comments by Theisman, Moose, etc...

[Houstonboys13]

I heard these two announcers, along with others, continuously say that the Redskins team was starting to pull together and had a lot to look forward to in the off season, while the Cowboys were falling apart, didn’t respond to Bill Parcells, and basically were just a mess. I’m not saying the Cowboys looked great or anything, but how can anyone honestly say that the Redskins future outlook is so much brighter than the Cowboys? If anything, our defense is looking better, we have two first round picks, and about 25 million in cap space. People need to stop with their biases towards the Cowboys.

[Dale]

Theisman is a tool. He consistently predicts greatness out of the Redskins.

[godofwar]

Theisman is a tool.

Yup. We should have taken up a collection to send him a Christmas card with a Lawrence Taylor football card inside.

[morasp]

Theisman is a tool. He consistently predicts greatness out of the Redskins.

Gotta love Moose doing Cowboys games though. He has to force himself to compliment the other team if they do something good rather than talk about what the cowboys needed to do to avoid the good play.

[Yeagermeister]

Gotta love Moose doing Cowboys games though. He has to force himself to compliment the other team if they do something good rather than talk about what the cowboys needed to do to avoid the good play.
Moose had to hide his happiness after the TD. You could tell by the tone of his voice he wanted to cheer. :skins: :jints:

[dbair1967]

I heard these two announcers, along with others, continuously say that the Redskins team was starting to pull together and had a lot to look forward to in the off season, while the Cowboys were falling apart, didn’t respond to Bill Parcells, and basically were just a mess. I’m not saying the Cowboys looked great or anything, but how can anyone honestly say that the Redskins future outlook is so much brighter than the Cowboys? If anything, our defense is looking better, we have two first round picks, and about 25 million in cap space. People need to stop with their biases towards the Cowboys.

It is curious isnt it?

But I am used to it

David

[BrAinPaiNt]

It is Joe Theeezman...that is all you need to know....sad thing is he is lumped in with the fool McGwire who is actually worse.

[Avery]

I had a thread about these jokers last week. They are painful.

I tuned into last night's game for the last five minutes. Not pleasant. Though I do not like how Mike Patrick had to mention Brett Favre for no reason (had to meet his quota), at least he applies some sembelance of professionalism in the booth.

Theismann and McGuire, I can't wait until these guys rip into us next week.

[tyke1doe]

I heard these two announcers, along with others, continuously say that the Redskins team was starting to pull together and had a lot to look forward to in the off season, while the Cowboys were falling apart, didn’t respond to Bill Parcells, and basically were just a mess. I’m not saying the Cowboys looked great or anything, but how can anyone honestly say that the Redskins future outlook is so much brighter than the Cowboys? If anything, our defense is looking better, we have two first round picks, and about 25 million in cap space. People need to stop with their biases towards the Cowboys.

I try to be objective and not the average Cowboys homer. And I pretty much laugh at all the announcer bashing along with the "national media hates the Cowboys" rhetoric.

But I never quite understood how many national sports announcers/analysts can make such a statement. The Cowboys are in great shape. They have two draft picks next year. They have plenty of room under the salary cap. They have a promising young running back. They have an elite safety and, I dare say, corner back. They have an up-and-coming tight end. They have a go-to receiver in Keyshawn, who should be able to play about three more years. And they have a rebuilding plan, and they have a great coach - despite the rumblings on this board (Rome wasn't built in a day).

And yet the Cowboys are in a mess? :confused:

I think those opinions are based on three elements:

1. The perception that Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells do not and will not get along and will ultimately part ways.

2. The fact that Bill Parcells has often walked away from coaching assignments and

3. The apparent unstability we have at the quarterback position.

The first one is merely a conjecture.

The second is true, but must be weighed against Parcells' desire to coach, his age (and maybe maturity level) and the fact that I truly believe he wants to cement his image as a great coach by resurrecting of all franchise the Cowboys and leading them to a Super Bowl win.

The third point can be solved via free agency or even via a trade. Would the Cowboys give up a first round pick or even a second round pick for Drew Brees? Will the Cowboys acquire Hasselback via free agency?

I just don't see the "mess" others seem to see.

[Duane]

I try to be objective and not the average Cowboys homer. And I pretty much laugh at all the announcer bashing along with the "national media hates the Cowboys" rhetoric.

But I never quite understood how many national sports announcers/analysts can make such a statement. The Cowboys are in great shape. They have two draft picks next year. They have plenty of room under the salary cap. They have a promising young running back. They have an elite safety and, I dare say, corner back. They have an up-and-coming tight end. They have a go-to receiver in Keyshawn, who should be able to play about three more years. And they have a rebuilding plan, and they have a great coach - despite the rumblings on this board (Rome wasn't built in a day).

And yet the Cowboys are in a mess? :confused:

I think those opinions are based on three elements:

1. The perception that Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells do not and will not get along and will ultimately part ways.

2. The fact that Bill Parcells has often walked away from coaching assignments and

3. The apparent unstability we have at the quarterback position.

The first one is merely a conjecture.

The second is true, but must be weighed against Parcells' desire to coach, his age (and maybe maturity level) and the fact that I truly believe he wants to cement his image as a great coach by resurrecting of all franchise the Cowboys and leading them to a Super Bowl win.

The third point can be solved via free agency or even via a trade. Would the Cowboys give up a first round pick or even a second round pick for Drew Brees? Will the Cowboys acquire Hasselback via free agency?

I just don't see the "mess" others seem to see.


Dead on, post of the day. :cheers:

[DipChit]

I heard these two announcers, along with others, continuously say that ................... the Cowboys were falling apart, didn’t respond to Bill Parcells, and basically were just a mess.

Well maybe what they had to say came from research and not personal opinion.

Maybe they read this board for an hour or two before they made those comments? ;)

[Yeagermeister]

Well maybe what they had to say came from research and not personal opinion.

Maybe they read this board for an hour or two before they made those comments? ;)
That would do them some good :D

:jints:

[Quicksilver]

I try to be objective and not the average Cowboys homer. And I pretty much laugh at all the announcer bashing along with the "national media hates the Cowboys" rhetoric.

But I never quite understood how many national sports announcers/analysts can make such a statement. The Cowboys are in great shape. They have two draft picks next year. They have plenty of room under the salary cap. They have a promising young running back. They have an elite safety and, I dare say, corner back. They have an up-and-coming tight end. They have a go-to receiver in Keyshawn, who should be able to play about three more years. And they have a rebuilding plan, and they have a great coach - despite the rumblings on this board (Rome wasn't built in a day).

And yet the Cowboys are in a mess? :confused:

I think those opinions are based on three elements:

1. The perception that Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells do not and will not get along and will ultimately part ways.

2. The fact that Bill Parcells has often walked away from coaching assignments and

3. The apparent unstability we have at the quarterback position.

The first one is merely a conjecture.

The second is true, but must be weighed against Parcells' desire to coach, his age (and maybe maturity level) and the fact that I truly believe he wants to cement his image as a great coach by resurrecting of all franchise the Cowboys and leading them to a Super Bowl win.

The third point can be solved via free agency or even via a trade. Would the Cowboys give up a first round pick or even a second round pick for Drew Brees? Will the Cowboys acquire Hasselback via free agency?

I just don't see the "mess" others seem to see.

Ok now that youre done dancing through a field of daisys singing "The sun will come out tomorrow", let me get some smelling salts under your noggin.

Our QB situation is bleak. Hasselback and Brees arent going anywhere. Any free agent available to sign is likely on the same skill level as a Testeverde save a few years.

I fully believe Jerry when he said Vinny could be back here next season starting. In fact, I believe thats what Bill wants.

Parcells only has 2 seasons left on his contract, many people projected he would walk away after his 3rd year. Even if he stays the full 4 seasons, there is no time to develop either Henson or Romo.

Our offensive line is a wreck. An aging Allen needs replaced. Gurode is as good as finished here and we have no viable RT.

Unless Glenn comes back 100% from injury, we have no reciever capable of stretching the field. Despite Craytons miracle reception against the skins, we havent had a down field passing game in weeks. If Morgan has speed, he's hiding it.

Defensively, up front is an obvious area of concern. Wiley wasnt the answer and we need a DT with some girth. Nobody is or should be safe at the linebacker positions this offseason. They are all expedable or atleast theyve played that way.

No RCB. Frazier is playing his heart out and thats commendable but we need upgrading there. Roy cant be called an elite safety until he can completely play the position. We all know he struggles in coverage. We dont have an answer at SS either.

Coakley says he isnt sure Parcells will return. Leaked letters of dissention and Jerry Jones pissing and moaning after Drew was benched.

So you see...despite our two first round draft choices, which by the way, slip lower and lower with every passing day and every meaningless win, things arent as rosey as you portraid.

But I congratulate you for being a "glass is half full" kinda guy.

[preacher238]

Ok now that youre done dancing through a field of daisys singing "The sun will come out tomorrow", let me get some smelling salts under your noggin.

Our QB situation is bleak. Hasselback and Brees arent going anywhere. Any free agent available to sign is likely on the same skill level as a Testeverde save a few years.

I fully believe Jerry when he said Vinny could be back here next season starting. In fact, I believe thats what Bill wants.

Parcells only has 2 seasons left on his contract, many people projected he would walk away after his 3rd year. Even if he stays the full 4 seasons, there is no time to develop either Henson or Romo.

Our offensive line is a wreck. An aging Allen needs replaced. Gurode is as good as finished here and we have no viable RT.

Unless Glenn comes back 100% from injury, we have no reciever capable of stretching the field. Despite Craytons miracle reception against the skins, we havent had a down field passing game in weeks. If Morgan has speed, he's hiding it.

Defensively, up front is an obvious area of concern. Wiley wasnt the answer and we need a DT with some girth. Nobody is or should be safe at the linebacker positions this offseason. They are all expedable or atleast theyve played that way.

No RCB. Frazier is playing his heart out and thats commendable but we need upgrading there. Roy cant be called an elite safety until he can completely play the position. We all know he struggles in coverage. We dont have an answer at SS either.

Coakley says he isnt sure Parcells will return. Leaked letters of dissention and Jerry Jones pissing and moaning after Drew was benched.

So you see...despite our two first round draft choices, which by the way, slip lower and lower with every passing day and every meaningless win, things arent as rosey as you portraid.

But I congratulate you for being a "glass is half full" kinda guy.

Geez talk about glass half empty! Good God man, do you want to slit your wrists also??? Geez i bet people just love being around you!! Talk about a "Debbie Downer"!!!

[tyke1doe]

Ok now that youre done dancing through a field of daisys singing "The sun will come out tomorrow", let me get some smelling salts under your noggin.

Our QB situation is bleak. Hasselback and Brees arent going anywhere. Any free agent available to sign is likely on the same skill level as a Testeverde save a few years.

I guess dancing through the fields to the that tune is betterthan spending hours reviewing Reading is Fundamental tapes. ;)

I said that maybe we could trade for Brees. I doubt very seriously Brees sees free agency. But the Chargers, even if they resign him, have a problem on their hands in terms of two QBs who carry huge salaries. Let's assume the Chargers do the unthinkable and win the Super Bowl. Will they be willing to let Brees out of San Diego easier than if they needed him to continue the rebuilding process? Who knows. This is all speculation.

As for Hasselback, maybe he does resign with the Seahawks. But do you really think Seattle is going to pay him like a top 5 QB, especially with Mike Vick's 10 year $130 million contract upping the price for the QB market? Do you really think a team is going to spend a 1st round pick on Hasselback even if he is franchised or re-signed by the Seahawks?



I fully believe Jerry when he said Vinny could be back here next season starting. In fact, I believe thats what Bill wants.

Bill wants to win. Vinny represents the best chance to win. To the extent that Henson and Romo progress is the extent to which Vinny will or won't be under center. I believe Bill wants to replace Vinny, but Vinny is his only option right now.
Secondly, Bill wants a smart QB under center. (Well, as smart as we have on the roster.) If Bill had his type of team, the Cowboys would run, run, run and play stalwart defense. I think he has Vinny throwing because 1.) we didn't have Julius Jones for much of the season, 2.) our strength was in the passing game and 3.) Vinny gives us a better chance in the passing game than Romo or Henson.

Vinny will likely be back. He may be a better bus driver with a stronger team. Hopefully, we can find someone who can replace Vinny. But if we don't, it looks like we're stuck with him. But that's not to say we won't look.

Parcells only has 2 seasons left on his contract, many people projected he would walk away after his 3rd year. Even if he stays the full 4 seasons, there is no time to develop either Henson or Romo.

Really?
Romo and Henson could get some much needed playing time in the NFL European league.
Also, there's still next year to give Henson and Romo time to develop.
In addition, correct me if I'm wrong but sitting on the bench for two years didn't hurt Chad Pennington, Tom Brady or Steve McNair.

Our offensive line is a wreck. An aging Allen needs replaced. Gurode is as good as finished here and we have no viable RT.

And that's why we drafted Jacob Rogers and Steve Perrimen. Besides, as you stated regarding our QB position, Offensive linemen need time to develop also.
And the line has been pretty good with traditional pass protection, given Vinny's immobility.


Unless Glenn comes back 100% from injury, we have no reciever capable of stretching the field. Despite Craytons miracle reception against the skins, we havent had a down field passing game in weeks. If Morgan has speed, he's hiding it.

Glenn's injury isn't a season- or career-ending injury. So he should be back.
Morgan is still adjusting to being a Cowboy. Remember, he hasn't had even a full season with the team.
Also, I don't see many speedsters in the draft or available through free agency.
Again, remember, the team Bill wants to resemble doesn't rely on speed receivers but a punishing defense and a power running game. (see Giants vs. Bills Super Bowl)


Defensively, up front is an obvious area of concern. Wiley wasnt the answer and we need a DT with some girth. Nobody is or should be safe at the linebacker positions this offseason. They are all expedable or atleast theyve played that way.

If we get the "girth" at DT, it solves two problems.
1. It occupies the OL allowing our smallish linebackers to make plays, assuming we stay with Zimmer's defense.
2. If we switch to a 3-4, then it allows us to play in that formation. Of course, then, we'll need more speed on the outside to get to the QB. We have James. We could use more help there. But linebackers are overrated in most schemes anyway. They're line the third most important position on defense next to defensive line and cornerbacks.

No RCB. Frazier is playing his heart out and thats commendable but we need upgrading there. Roy cant be called an elite safety until he can completely play the position. We all know he struggles in coverage. We dont have an answer at SS either.

Yes, but a pass rush solves the problem with the corner play. A better pass rush means you don't have to cover as long.

Coakley says he isnt sure Parcells will return. Leaked letters of dissention and Jerry Jones pissing and moaning after Drew was benched.

Did you read the entire conversation? He said Parcells is frustrated and it wouldn't surprise him if he didn't return based on the level of play. That hardly sounds like a ringing endorsement that Parcells isn't returning.
Secondly, as for the "leaked letters of dissention," I remember Roy Williams saying that the team still has some bad seeds among its rank. Maybe the "dissention" is from those players who don't belong on the roster but are just there because better talent isn't yet available.

As for Jerry Jones moaning because Drew was benched, Jerry wasn't moaning. He just said he would have liked to have seen more of Henson. But now this gets turned into a "pissing and moaning" issue. :rolleyes:


So you see...despite our two first round draft choices, which by the way, slip lower and lower with every passing day and every meaningless win, things arent as rosey as you portraid.

Meaningless win? :rolleyes:
You guys are funny.
These guys are professionals. They're trying to win games. I'd rather have a coach like Parcells than a coach like Coughlin.
You play to win the game, as Herman Edwards said.
Screw fans who want you to lose to get a better draft position.
Besides, the Pats haven't had high draft choices, they eschew conventional wisdom (remember when everyone was moaning because they chose Seymour over David Terrell although they had a desparate need at WR? My, how brilliant were fans' opinions in hindsight. :rolleyes: ) and yet they've built a powerhouse.

Let fans worry about draft positions. Coaches and players are suppose to play to win. I would expect nothing less.

But I congratulate you for being a "glass is half full" kinda guy.

No, I'm just a realist and a patient man. I understand champions aren't built in a year. Redskins fans were so estatic after key free agent signings over the past few years. But they have yet to sniff a playoff while the Cowboys have been to one with minimal free agent signings.

It's going to take time to build a champion. I realize this. But I guess I'm not a part of the microwave, instant-food, instant success generation.

Silly me. ;)

[Chuck 54]

I heard these two announcers, along with others, continuously say that the Redskins team was starting to pull together and had a lot to look forward to in the off season, while the Cowboys were falling apart, didn’t respond to Bill Parcells, and basically were just a mess. I’m not saying the Cowboys looked great or anything, but how can anyone honestly say that the Redskins future outlook is so much brighter than the Cowboys? If anything, our defense is looking better, we have two first round picks, and about 25 million in cap space. People need to stop with their biases towards the Cowboys.
hmmm....I'll venture a guess....they'd won 2-3 while we'd lost games.....they have a QB and a defense, and we don't????

[Houstonboys13]

hmmm....I'll venture a guess....they'd won 2-3 while we'd lost games.....they have a QB and a defense, and we don't????

Yet somehow we beat them. :rolleyes:


Look at their 2/3 wins. Not too impressive of opponents.

[Sarge]

I heard these two announcers, along with others, continuously say that the Redskins team was starting to pull together and had a lot to look forward to in the off season, while the Cowboys were falling apart, didn’t respond to Bill Parcells, and basically were just a mess. I’m not saying the Cowboys looked great or anything, but how can anyone honestly say that the Redskins future outlook is so much brighter than the Cowboys? If anything, our defense is looking better, we have two first round picks, and about 25 million in cap space. People need to stop with their biases towards the Cowboys.

Who cares what anyone says, especially an announcer. The results come from the play on the field.

The Redskins were picked by MANY to finish ahead of us at the beginning of the year. Same for last year.

[BlueWave]

Gotta love Moose doing Cowboys games though. He has to force himself to compliment the other team if they do something good rather than talk about what the cowboys needed to do to avoid the good play.

It's good to hear people like Moose. It gets old seeing former Cowboy players take every single opportunity to rip the Cowboys open, like Michael Irvin does on a daily basis.

[cowheel]

I heard these two announcers, along with others, continuously say that the Redskins team was starting to pull together and had a lot to look forward to in the off season, while the Cowboys were falling apart, didn’t respond to Bill Parcells, and basically were just a mess. I’m not saying the Cowboys looked great or anything, but how can anyone honestly say that the Redskins future outlook is so much brighter than the Cowboys? If anything, our defense is looking better, we have two first round picks, and about 25 million in cap space. People need to stop with their biases towards the Cowboys.

It's simple as 2...

1. The Redskins are fielding one of the best defenses in the NFL.
Defense wins championships.

They have a few weaknesses here and there... but they've got major playmakers all over that defense. I think they'll be even better next year with another year in the system and a healthy Arrington.

The Cowboys defense has some major holes... namely pass rushing DE, DT,nickel corner, LB, and free safety.
We were forced to go extremely young this year - which in the long run may turn out to benefit us because I really like some of these young guys and think they will really come along.
If we can sure up that defensive line (easier said than done) and find a free safety that will allow Roy to be Roy.... i think guys like Newman, Frazier, and Thornton would really be quality players.

But we are far far away from being a top 10 defense.

2. The Redskins have a better read on their future QB situation while we don't have a friggin' clue.

Ramsey hasn't been great by any means.... but he still has shown enough to warrant future QB consideration.

We've seen nothing in terms of a future QB, a terrible situation that could have us spinning our wheels for years to come.

I don't care how many draft picks we have or how much money we have...
if we continue to draft the way we have and sign these busts the way we have... we'll still be in trouble.

[Danny White]

It's simple as 2...

1. The Redskins are fielding one of the best defenses in the NFL.
Defense wins championships.

They have a few weaknesses here and there... but they've got major playmakers all over that defense. I think they'll be even better next year with another year in the system and a healthy Arrington.

The Cowboys defense has some major holes... namely pass rushing DE, DT,nickel corner, LB, and free safety.
We were forced to go extremely young this year - which in the long run may turn out to benefit us because I really like some of these young guys and think they will really come along.
If we can sure up that defensive line (easier said than done) and find a free safety that will allow Roy to be Roy.... i think guys like Newman, Frazier, and Thornton would really be quality players.

But we are far far away from being a top 10 defense.




Your number 1 is funny. We are actually ONE YEAR removed from having not just a top 10 defense but a number one defense.

The parallels between last years top rated Cowboys defense and this years top rated Redskins defense are amazing. They are both paper titles based on statistics that really don't mean much. It would not surprise me one bit if the Redskins' D was very average next year.... especially with Arrington coming back.

[cowheel]

Your number 1 is funny. We are actually ONE YEAR removed from having not just a top 10 defense but a number one defense.

The parallels between last years top rated Cowboys defense and this years top rated Redskins defense are amazing. They are both paper titles based on statistics that really don't mean much. It would not surprise me one bit if the Redskins' D was very average next year.... especially with Arrington coming back.

I disagree... Williams is a great defensive coordinator.
he got the job done. period. Give him credit.
They've been consistent all year when everyone thought they would eventually be exposed.... like we were this year.

1 year removed or not...
we absolutely sucked on defense this year for the better part of the season.
We've got a long way to go.

[cowheel]

They are both paper titles based on statistics that really don't mean much.

Really?

So what would you say was the biggest reason why we went 10-6 last year and have fallen to 6-10/7-9 this year?

[Houstonboys13]

Really?

So what would you say was the biggest reason why we went 10-6 last year and have fallen to 6-10/7-9 this year?

So explain how we beat them with a worse defense and QB.

Something must be wrong with your methodology.