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The30YardSlant
12-28-2004, 04:27 PM
Mark my words, he may not be a pro bowl type of receiver, but he will be a good #2-3 receiver throughout his career.

jterrell
12-28-2004, 04:29 PM
I think you're right. He reminds me of Kelvin Martin.
Good hands, headsy, more quick than fast.

JDSmith
12-28-2004, 04:34 PM
Mark my words, he may not be a pro bowl type of receiver, but he will be a good #2-3 receiver throughout his career.
It was pretty funny, about 5 minutes before the catch I was watching with my wife and Copper had a reception. We were talking about the young guys and then I said that I personally liked what I'd seen of Crayton better, and was hoping he'd get some playing time. Needless to say, when he caught the game winner my wife had to give me props for my scouting ability. ;)

The30YardSlant
12-28-2004, 04:35 PM
I think you're right. He reminds me of Kelvin Martin.
Good hands, headsy, more quick than fast.

Kelvin was the BEST kick returner other than Dante Hall Ive ever seen.

Kangaroo
12-28-2004, 04:35 PM
I think you're right. He reminds me of Kelvin Martin.
Good hands, headsy, more quick than fast.
Hey that is what I said he could turn into many weeks ago when he 1st started playing he comes up with big plays for us.

Think of some of those big catches K-mart made for Dallas on 3rd down quite a few in the SuperBowl run years. If he becomes a solid #3 wr that is a vaule added 7th round pick

irvin88
12-28-2004, 04:35 PM
So was Stepfret Williams, Jason Tucker, Wane McGarrity. :rolleyes:

The30YardSlant
12-28-2004, 04:36 PM
Hey that is what I said he could turn into many weeks ago when he 1st started playing he comes up with big plays for us.

Think of some of those big catches K-mart made for Dallas on 3rd down quite a few in the SuperBowl run years. If he becomes a solid #3 wr that is a vaule added 7th round pick

The biggest catch I remember was 3rd and goal in Candlestick in the NFC title game in 1993, we were ahead 23-20 I think and Martin made a TD catch to seal the game.

The30YardSlant
12-28-2004, 04:37 PM
So was Stepfret Williams, Jason Tucker, Wane McGarrity. :rolleyes:

McGarity was decent.

Zman5
12-28-2004, 04:38 PM
So was Stepfret Williams, Jason Tucker, Wane McGarrity. :rolleyes:


Stepfret and McGarrity were midgets and Jason Tucker was actually pretty good receiver until he had a serious foot injury.

What I like about P. Crayton is he has made several clutch catches at crunch time.

He seem to have the mental toughness to do that which you really can't teach. Either you have it or you don't.

Kangaroo
12-28-2004, 04:39 PM
So was Stepfret Williams, Jason Tucker, Wane McGarrity. :rolleyes:
I do not think Stepfert or wayne ever caught a touch down pass could be mistaken but I do not remember one or one truly big play from those guys.
I use to call Stepfret Stickman and McGarity Smurf

I liked Jason Tucker but he never looked the same after the foot surgery

Midswat
12-28-2004, 04:41 PM
So was Stepfret Williams, Jason Tucker, Wane McGarrity. :rolleyes:


I agree . . . we've had too many young guys full of "potential" that haven't panned out for me to get too excited about Crayton this soon . . .

JDSmith
12-28-2004, 04:42 PM
Crayton has very soft hands and he's a good hands catcher. He showed that in preseason on one broken play where Henson rolled to the sideline and lofted a pass over a defender, Crayton caught it over his shoulder on the sideline while running and it was a very nice play all around. He also showed it on his first regular season reception, that 30 yarder from Vinny where he made a finger tip grab crossing over the middle before turning it up for a sweet gain. I like the kid's potential.

Doomsday101
12-28-2004, 04:42 PM
Come on Jerry and Bill drafted him and according to many around here neither know what they are doing. So no way is Crayton a good pick. LOL

Waffle
12-28-2004, 04:48 PM
So was Stepfret Williams, Jason Tucker, Wane McGarrity. :rolleyes:
Stepfret Williams was a pre-season guy, Tucker severely injured his foot, and McGarity was decent, but wasn't worth a 4th.

preacher238
12-28-2004, 05:00 PM
But McGaritty is sure tearing up the CFL!!

Waffle
12-28-2004, 05:03 PM
But McGaritty is sure tearing up the CFL!!
So is Jason Tucker and Chris Brazzell.

p1_
12-28-2004, 08:09 PM
I want to know who's better, Crayton or Copper? Seems Copper kinda faded of late, whereas Crayton was clutch on consecutive plays vs Washington.

Eskimo
12-28-2004, 08:15 PM
Crayton is really green - NAIA quarterback. The odd thing is that he seems so natural catching the ball. He'll be a project but there is plenty of natural ability.

Copper is also a late bloomer. Didn't play significant snaps at ECU until his senior year.

I personally will take either of these two guys' futures over Q Morgan who looks like a collossal waste of a roster spot - I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that the hammy is still affecting him. But if he doesn't show more by next TC, let's cut his quicck.

boysfanindc
12-28-2004, 08:19 PM
I have not been at any of the games this year, so it is hard to tell from watching the TV.

But are any of these guys getting open? I mean is it that they are not getting open or VT is not making his progressions and just locking in on KJ & Witten.

It's very hard to tell if you are not at the game an able to watch the whole field.

Boy's fan in Giant land
12-28-2004, 09:14 PM
Crayton is really green - NAIA quarterback. The odd thing is that he seems so natural catching the ball. He'll be a project but there is plenty of natural ability.

Copper is also a late bloomer. Didn't play significant snaps at ECU until his senior year.

I personally will take either of these two guys' futures over Q Morgan who looks like a collossal waste of a roster spot - I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that the hammy is still affecting him. But if he doesn't show more by next TC, let's cut his quicck.

I think potential is key, moreso in receivers than any other position. You can either catch the ball or you can't. I for one get really pissed when I see a ball hit a receiver in both hands, and yet it gets dropped. If there wasn't a DB's hand in there knocking it out or it wasn't some kind of spectacular circus type catch, the bastid oughta latch onto the damned ball. (yeah, I know there are tons of other variables) I say this because I could catch VERY well. No, I never amounted to sh*t, but that's not my point. If I could hold onto 90+% of everything that hit me in both hands, and manage to pull down 50% of anything I got one hand on, none of which amounts to a wart on anyone's butt that has progressed to THIS level, then these guys ought to be catching ANYTHING even close. Copper's been dropping some easy ones lately while Crayton's come thru twice in the clutch BIG time. Give me a guy with natural ability anytime. The rest can be coached.

p1_
12-28-2004, 09:23 PM
I think potential is key, moreso in receivers than any other position. You can either catch the ball or you can't. I for one get really pissed when I see a ball hit a receiver in both hands, and yet it gets dropped. If there wasn't a DB's hand in there knocking it out or it wasn't some kind of spectacular circus type catch, the bastid oughta latch onto the damned ball. (yeah, I know there are tons of other variables) I say this because I could catch VERY well. No, I never amounted to sh*t, but that's not my point. If I could hold onto 90+% of everything that hit me in both hands, and manage to pull down 50% of anything I got one hand on, none of which amounts to a wart on anyone's butt that has progressed to THIS level, then these guys ought to be catching ANYTHING even close. Copper's been dropping some easy ones lately while Crayton's come thru twice in the clutch BIG time. Give me a guy with natural ability anytime. The rest can be coached.

you know, the only time I've seen him whiff was on that 2 point attempt. But when the ball's in his vicinity, he's got stick'em on his mits.

Eskimo
12-28-2004, 09:33 PM
The thing that is impressive about Crayton isn't that he makes tough catches - he does. It isn't that he hasn't dropped many. He hasnt. It is the ease with which he catches - his motion is just so damn natural. Couple that with decent size, okay speed, good quickness and a good work ethic and there is enough raw material to say this project is worthwhile.

I've always liked the idea of QBs converted to WRs but they have to be tough and they have to be able to catch the ball. I think Crayton has both these qualities.

I think his long-term potential is higher than Copper's but Copper is more ready to play today.

The30YardSlant
12-28-2004, 09:34 PM
I have also noticed he is a great judge of the ball flight, on the TD last week he never once broke stride and kept the same speed the entire route.

Ken
12-28-2004, 09:35 PM
Earlier in the year, BP said he reminded him or Hines Ward.

He also says he has a long, long way to go to be Hines Ward.

phildominator
12-29-2004, 01:27 AM
So was Stepfret Williams, Jason Tucker, Wane McGarrity. :rolleyes:and Macey Brooks, Oronde Gadsden...

guag
12-29-2004, 01:45 AM
Stepfret Williams was a pre-season guy, Tucker severely injured his foot, and McGarity was decent, but wasn't worth a 4th.
Didn't McGarity have his share of injuries as well? I recall him having knee problems or something.

Big D
12-29-2004, 02:05 AM
He was the standout guy during training camp IMO. Its unbelievable how long its taken BP to work him into the game especially after the loss of both TG and AB.

I think he will be good but I hope we keep him around long enough to find out. We've let some good ones get away in the past.


:jints:

CowboysFan02
12-29-2004, 02:42 AM
He was the standout guy during training camp IMO. Its unbelievable how long its taken BP to work him into the game especially after the loss of both TG and AB.

I think he will be good but I hope we keep him around long enough to find out. We've let some good ones get away in the past.


:jints:

Yes in camp he is the one WR that stood out the most to me, he made great catches and showed good moves in punt return drills.

He is shifty in space and as many have said above he has soft soft hands. He also seems to have the mental part down, he has confidence but seems grounded. During camp he was one of the last players out there sigining autographs after the second half. And he was not just signing he was also chatting it up. He seemed to be a well grounded nice guy, with confidence.

morasp
12-29-2004, 05:48 AM
Earlier in the year, BP said he reminded him or Hines Ward.

He also says he has a long, long way to go to be Hines Ward.

I was thinking of another quick Steelers receiver who played QB in college, Randal El.

joseephuss
12-29-2004, 07:26 AM
Stepfret Williams was a pre-season guy, Tucker severely injured his foot, and McGarity was decent, but wasn't worth a 4th.

Especially since Dallas probably could have just grabbed him as an undrafted free agent.

Quicksilver
12-29-2004, 07:36 AM
I used to think the same thing about Jason Tucker. :banghead: