what kind of trade value could we get...

[CowboyChris]

what kind of trade value could we get for the following players, these are players in my opinion we need to look at replacing soon, or replacing NOW.

i would try and trade Coakley, Morgan, Wiley, Tucker, and EG, and i would add Glover to the list just cause i think his best days are will soon behind him also.

[Hostile]

what kind of trade value could we get for the following players, these are players in my opinion we need to look at replacing soon, or replacing NOW.

i would try and trade Coakley, Morgan, Wiley, Tucker, and EG, and i would add Glover to the list just cause i think his best days are will soon behind him also.I think the only one who'd get us a sniff is Coakley. Morgan might. None of the others would and none of the picks would be all that valuable.

[trickblue]

what kind of trade value could we get for the following players, these are players in my opinion we need to look at replacing soon, or replacing NOW.

i would try and trade Coakley, Morgan, Wiley, Tucker, and EG, and i would add Glover to the list just cause i think his best days are will soon behind him also.

Take Glover out of that mix... throw in a conditional draft pick... and we could probably pry Derek Ross away from Minnesota for that bunch...

[jdnalls]

I think the only one who'd get us a sniff is Coakley. Morgan might. None of the others would and none of the picks would be all that valuable.
Interesting you say that... so not even Glover?

[CowboyChris]

hos, wouldnt u guys think we could get at the very best a 3rd for Glover?

[trickblue]

hos, wouldnt u guys think we could get at the very best a 3rd for Glover?

I wouldn't get rid of Glover... he still works hard and plays at a high level, drawing double-teams most every play...

Many good DL's have played well into their mid 30's... and his work ethic is good for other players to learn from...

[TheHustler]

get rid of the best player on the dline. great idea.

[Hostile]

Interesting you say that... so not even Glover?Sorry, I should have clarified. I would NOT even consider trading Glover.

[DLK150]

what kind of trade value could we get for the following players, these are players in my opinion we need to look at replacing soon, or replacing NOW.

i would try and trade Coakley, Morgan, Wiley, Tucker, and EG, and i would add Glover to the list just cause i think his best days are will soon behind him also.

Out of that group, Coakley could fetch a 4th, Morgan a 5th or 6th, Wiley nothing, Tucker nothing, and EG is a free agent. Glover would fetch a 3rd, possibly a 2nd.

Coakley is the most likely to be traded of the bunch, but his performance this year doesn't help his value. I doubt Glover is traded unless we decide to switch over to a 3-4, or we want to look to the future past '05. He may be our best DL right now but he may not be here past 06, and his value may never be higher than it is after the season he had this year.

[Kangaroo]

Hos I thought you may have been on your way to Dallas to kneecap Vinny since you been so quite the last few days :D

[CowboyChris]

the reason i say we trade Glover, is cause we all know his best days are soon gonna be behind him, if we could get some value for him now, why not?

[jdnalls]

the reason i say we trade Glover, is cause we all know his best days are soon gonna be behind him, if we could get some value for him now, why not?
Because we're the Dallas Cowboys and like rewarding players for what they've done in the past and not what they're currently doing.

Example: Larry Allen.

[TheHustler]

Because we're the Dallas Cowboys and like rewarding players for what they've done in the past and not what they're currently doing.

Example: Larry Allen.

The Larry Allen who is the best player on the Oline and going to the pro-bowl?

[Sarge]

The Larry Allen who is the best player on the Oline and going to the pro-bowl?

...............exactly.

:rolleyes:

[Hostile]

Hos I thought you may have been on your way to Dallas to kneecap Vinny since you been so quite the last few days :DThey won't let me through airport security.

[D41lasCowboys31]

Wow, you really want to get rid of the best player on the defensive line?? His best days are behind him but he is headed to Hawaii?? Do you people post just to see your name on the forum??? Glover has atleast 2 more years left in him atleast

[CowboyChris]

Wow, you really want to get rid of the best player on the defensive line?? His best days are behind him but he is headed to Hawaii?? Do you people post just to see your name on the forum??? Glover has atleast 2 more years left in him atleast

the question was, what kind of trade value could we get. noone said they were running him off, keep in mind his best days are nearing to a close.

[Eskimo]

what kind of trade value could we get for the following players, these are players in my opinion we need to look at replacing soon, or replacing NOW.

i would try and trade Coakley, Morgan, Wiley, Tucker, and EG, and i would add Glover to the list just cause i think his best days are will soon behind him also.

Coakley = 0
Morgan = 6th rounder
Wiley = 0
Tucker = 0
Geroge = 0
Glover = 2nd rounder

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would trade Glover. In fact, I would try and put a deal together that sent him to Philly in exchange for Corey Simon.

[Novacek84]

What is it with many of you on this board? You think trades happen in the NFL as often as they do in Major League Baseball. It's just not happening. Trades of any kind are very rare in the NFL, so stop making up lists of players that we could trade. It's not realisitc because most teams when they make a trade give draft picks in return and usually that is for a star-caliber player. Believe me, other teams out there ain't looking to give away precious draft picks for average-type players which our roster is filled with. Why would they look to trade for our guys when they can draft them on their own? someone explain this to me. Please enough of the trade talk. It's not gonna happen and if it does it won't be any major thing. We have a better chance of trading one of OUR 1st rounders for someone else's impact player, though I hope that it won't happen. If this team is going to improve next year we MUST have a solid draft with at least 3 starters and get a couple of solid veteran free agents.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Our season is pretty much over. I see nothing wrong with passing the time in speculation. If it is not to your taste, then please, refrain from reading the post.

Trades for players are not usually how it works in the NFL but it does happen. In fact, we just did one earlier this year in the AB trade.

Relax man, it's almost over.

[Novacek84]

Our season is pretty much over. I see nothing wrong with passing the time in speculation. If it is not to your taste, then please, refrain from reading the post.

Trades for players are not usually how it works in the NFL but it does happen. In fact, we just did one earlier this year in the AB trade.

Relax man, it's almost over.
I have no problem at all with speculation about the future. My point is that speculating on trade possibilites is probably not the most constructive way to go. And thank God it is almost over! What a long season.

[scottsp]

what kind of trade value could we get for the following players, these are players in my opinion we need to look at replacing soon, or replacing NOW.

i would try and trade Coakley, Morgan, Wiley, Tucker, and EG, and i would add Glover to the list just cause i think his best days are will soon behind him also.


If trades were the norm in the NFL, which they aren't, there might be a better barometer as far as what these guys might fetch in return. But aside from LaRoi, I seriously doubt the rest of that lot nets you anything in return.

Would you deal a mid-round pick for Coakley? This is an undersized thirtysomething linebacker who doesn't tackle all that well. He's also making a lot of money. No thanks.

Morgan maybe....though it's debatable. The other three aren't worth responding to. These are basically cast-offs.

[tyke1doe]

what kind of trade value could we get for the following players, these are players in my opinion we need to look at replacing soon, or replacing NOW.

i would try and trade Coakley, Morgan, Wiley, Tucker, and EG, and i would add Glover to the list just cause i think his best days are will soon behind him also.

A 7th rounder and a bag of Lays.

[ravidubey]

Out of that group, Coakley could fetch a 4th, Morgan a 5th or 6th, Wiley nothing, Tucker nothing, and EG is a free agent. Glover would fetch a 3rd, possibly a 2nd.

Coakley is the most likely to be traded of the bunch, but his performance this year doesn't help his value. I doubt Glover is traded unless we decide to switch over to a 3-4, or we want to look to the future past '05. He may be our best DL right now but he may not be here past 06, and his value may never be higher than it is after the season he had this year.

Trades are difficult in the NFL-- first of all why don't you want a player? If Dallas doesn't want someone, then why would anyone else? Second, the draft is the future of your team, why trade youth for age?

I would be hard pressed to name many starting LB's who weren't better than Dexter Coakley, and Dexter fits very few defensive schemes to boot! You're looking at no draft choices even under ideal conditions (traded to the right team like Miami) for Coakely.

Glover would not fetch a first day pick. I'd say a 4th or 5th rounder, unless you are trading him to Jerry Jones ;).

Morgan similarly has little value, a conditional late pick and ditto Torrin Tucker (ala Kelvin Garmon).

[Razz]

What is it with many of you on this board? You think trades happen in the NFL as often as they do in Major League Baseball. It's just not happening. Trades of any kind are very rare in the NFL, so stop making up lists of players that we could trade. It's not realisitc because most teams when they make a trade give draft picks in return and usually that is for a star-caliber player.
First Round
NY Giants to San Diego in Eli Manning trade
Second Round
Miami to Philadelphia in AJ Feeley trade
New Orleans to Green Bay in Mike McKenzie trade


http://media.fastclick.net/w/get.media?sid=1234&m=6&tp=8&d=s&c=1 (http://media.fastclick.net/w/click.here?sid=1234&m=6&c=1) Third Round
Dallas to Houston in Drew Henson trade
Chicago to Miami in Adewale Ogunleye and Marty Booker trade
Miami to St Louis in Lamar Gordon trade
San Diego to Tampa Bay Keenan McCardell trade


Fourth Round
New Orleans to Philadelphia in John Welbourn trade (conditional 3rd)


Fifth Round
Washington to Philadelphia in James Thrash trade
NY Giants to San Diego in Eli Manning trade
San Diego to Tampa Bay in Roman Oben trade
Oakland to Green Bay in Marques Anderson trade
Green Bay to Kansas City in Kal-R Truluck trade


Sixth Round
Dallas to Oakland in Kenyon Coleman trade
Oakland to Green Bay in Marques Anderson trade
Miami to San Diego in WR David Boston trade
San Diego to Tampa Bay in WR Keenan McCardell trade
Arizona to Oakland in RB Troy Hambrick and DE Peppi Zellner trade
Green Bay to Kansas City in DE Kal-R Truluck trade
Philadelphia to San Farncisco in WR Terrell Owens trade


Seventh Round
Dallas to Oakland in Kenyon Coleman trade
Oakland to Green Bay in Marques Anderson trade
Miami to San Diego in WR David Boston trade
Kansas City to Houston in P Steve Cheeks trade.
Seattle to Oakland in WR Jerry Rice trade

Undisclosed/conditional
Tampa Bay has an undisclosed pick from the Giants (OG Jason Whittle)
Atlanta has a conditional pick from Denver (DT Ellis Johnson)
Pittsburgh has a 6th or 7th from Carolina (OT Todd Fordham)

2006
Miami has a conditional pick from Green Bay (OG Brad Bedell)
Oakland has a conditional pick from Dallas (DT Chris Cooper)





That's just a partial list of trades involving 2005 draft picks. While trades are infrequent, they're not rare. Contrary to your statement, most of them involve fringe players and, quite often, conditional draft picks, or else players who have .. uhh ... issues. Trades involving 'star-caliber players' are rare, but they're the ones that get the headlines. Most people never hear about most of the trades (unless they follow transaction reports) which is why there's the inaccurate impression that there just aren't many trades.


DLK150's valuations are probably fairly close for the players listed. George signed a 2 year deal, so he's not a free agent. I doubt you'd get a 4th for Coakley - maybe a 5th/conditional 4th, Tucker might fetch a conditional 6th or 7th, Morgan might probably fetch a 4th/conditional 3rd, best case, and a 3rd/conditional 2nd sounds a bit high for Glover. Remember, all we were going to get for Larry Allen was a 4th ...


That said, which of the following three players would you rather have right now:
Quincy Morgan
Antonio Bryant
Larry Johnson

[speedkilz88]

I believe Dallas only gave up one pick for Kenyon Coleman. There was just always differing reports on whether it was a 6th or a 7th since it was undisclosed.

[SuspectCorner]

i bet we could get a half a case of those wooden paddles with the long rubberband stapled to them and the little red ball tied to the end of the rubberband. let's do it. 'cept for the glover part. that would be stupid.

[Nightshade]

I have no problem at all with speculation about the future. My point is that speculating on trade possibilites is probably not the most constructive way to go. And thank God it is almost over! What a long season.

Long season? Are you :drunk:?
If you blink, you've missed half the season. Football fans have it the worst. Look at Basketball, Baseball and Hockey. The misguided fans of those sports are far more fortunate than our truly enlightened brethren.

[Novacek84]

"QUOTE"

That's just a partial list of trades involving 2005 draft picks. While trades are infrequent, they're not rare. Contrary to your statement, most of them involve fringe players and, quite often, conditional draft picks, or else players who have .. uhh ... issues. Trades involving 'star-caliber players' are rare, but they're the ones that get the headlines. Most people never hear about most of the trades (unless they follow transaction reports) which is why there's the inaccurate impression that there just aren't many trades.


DLK150's valuations are probably fairly close for the players listed. George signed a 2 year deal, so he's not a free agent. I doubt you'd get a 4th for Coakley - maybe a 5th/conditional 4th, Tucker might fetch a conditional 6th or 7th, Morgan might probably fetch a 4th/conditional 3rd, best case, and a 3rd/conditional 2nd sounds a bit high for Glover. Remember, all we were going to get for Larry Allen was a 4th ...


That said, which of the following three players would you rather have right now:
Quincy Morgan
Antonio Bryant
Larry Johnson[/QUOTE]

"END QUOTE"


That list of trades is impressive research but you are forgetting one important thing: Besides Glover there are no players on the list that was first suggested for trade from our team that anyone would want!!! If they weren't performing here, what makes you think another team is going to take on our problems? It's just not realistic in my view. To answer your other question, considering we have Julius Jones I'll take Bryant. Headcase? yes. Untapped talent? yes.

[Razz]

That list of trades is impressive research but you are forgetting one important thing: Besides Glover there are no players on the list that was first suggested for trade from our team that anyone would want!!! If they weren't performing here, what makes you think another team is going to take on our problems? It's just not realistic in my view. To answer your other question, considering we have Julius Jones I'll take Bryant. Headcase? yes. Untapped talent? yes.
Not really that impressive - it's posted at a website I frequent. Anyone could look it up pretty easily. I posted it to as supporting documentation because I was contradicting your statement.

Whether we could actually get anthing for the players in question is another matter. Look at that list, and they're mostly fringe players, players past their prime, or lockerroom problems. Somebody is almost always willing to take a chance on a guy if he might be able to perform. If there's an equivalent player in FA, your unlikely to be able to trade them. Most of the trades happen before/on draft day, or after the FA pool is dried up.

In any case, Dallas just as well trade away all their 2nd day picks, and not bother trying to add more since their 2nd day drafts are worse than atrocious anyway.

I asked about Bryant/Morgan/Johnson because I find it interesting that Morgan is valued so low, yet we traded Bryant straight up for him, and we could have gotten Johnson. To me, that makes a dumb trade even dumber.