grass isnt always greener

[dbair1967]

for all those clamoring for some other teams backup to come here and rescue the franchise, two words-- AJ Feeley...and while we're on the subject of Feeley, didnt alot of you people think trading a high draft pick for this bum was a good thing last yr? Miami gave up a 2nd (very high 2nd too as it turns out) for a guy who couldnt QB his way out of a wet paper bag...Miami got hosed almost as bad as Jimmah fleeced New Orleand back in 1990 for Steve Walsh

Mike McMahon? David Garrard? Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? Todd Bouman? what other bums am I leaving out? I'd bet there are some closet "bring back Anthony Wright-ers" out there too...

ugh :rolleyes:

David

[Rude]

for all those clamoring for some other teams backup to come here and rescue the franchise, two words-- AJ Feeley...and while we're on the subject of Feeley, didnt alot of you people think trading a high draft pick for this bum was a good thing last yr? Miami gave up a 2nd (very high 2nd too as it turns out) for a guy who couldnt QB his way out of a wet paper bag...Miami got hosed almost as bad as Jimmah fleeced New Orleand back in 1990 for Steve Walsh

Mike McMahon? David Garrard? Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? Todd Bouman? what other bums am I leaving out? I'd bet there are some closet "bring back Anthony Wright-ers" out there too...

ugh :rolleyes:

David

I dont want backups at all. I want henson to start we need to see what he has and if he doesnt, draft a good qb

[Waffle]

for all those clamoring for some other teams backup to come here and rescue the franchise, two words-- AJ Feeley...and while we're on the subject of Feeley, didnt alot of you people think trading a high draft pick for this bum was a good thing last yr? Miami gave up a 2nd (very high 2nd too as it turns out) for a guy who couldnt QB his way out of a wet paper bag...Miami got hosed almost as bad as Jimmah fleeced New Orleand back in 1990 for Steve Walsh

Mike McMahon? David Garrard? Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? Todd Bouman? what other bums am I leaving out? I'd bet there are some closet "bring back Anthony Wright-ers" out there too...

ugh :rolleyes:

David
I was just thinking the same thing!

[Rack Bauer]

for all those clamoring for some other teams backup to come here and rescue the franchise, two words-- AJ Feeley...and while we're on the subject of Feeley, didnt alot of you people think trading a high draft pick for this bum was a good thing last yr? Miami gave up a 2nd (very high 2nd too as it turns out) for a guy who couldnt QB his way out of a wet paper bag...Miami got hosed almost as bad as Jimmah fleeced New Orleand back in 1990 for Steve Walsh

Mike McMahon? David Garrard? Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? Todd Bouman? what other bums am I leaving out? I'd bet there are some closet "bring back Anthony Wright-ers" out there too...

ugh :rolleyes:

David


Somewhere out there there's fans from another team thinking the exact same thing about Drew Henson and Tony Romo.

[JDSmith]

for all those clamoring for some other teams backup to come here and rescue the franchise, two words-- AJ Feeley...and while we're on the subject of Feeley, didnt alot of you people think trading a high draft pick for this bum was a good thing last yr? Miami gave up a 2nd (very high 2nd too as it turns out) for a guy who couldnt QB his way out of a wet paper bag...Miami got hosed almost as bad as Jimmah fleeced New Orleand back in 1990 for Steve Walsh

Mike McMahon? David Garrard? Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? Todd Bouman? what other bums am I leaving out? I'd bet there are some closet "bring back Anthony Wright-ers" out there too...

ugh :rolleyes:

David
That's true. There was also a big contingent clamoring for Vinny to come in and rescue us from Quincy - if there is any more blatant proof that the grass isn't always greener, I haven't seen it. ;)

[OLDSCHOOL]

for all those clamoring for some other teams backup to come here and rescue the franchise, two words-- AJ Feeley...and while we're on the subject of Feeley, didnt alot of you people think trading a high draft pick for this bum was a good thing last yr? Miami gave up a 2nd (very high 2nd too as it turns out) for a guy who couldnt QB his way out of a wet paper bag...Miami got hosed almost as bad as Jimmah fleeced New Orleand back in 1990 for Steve Walsh

Mike McMahon? David Garrard? Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? Todd Bouman? what other bums am I leaving out? I'd bet there are some closet "bring back Anthony Wright-ers" out there too...

ugh :rolleyes:

David





You know what's funny all those guys are better than Henson, 2 have Super bowl rings as the starter. One has a ring or two from the european league, and he has started on what was the top offense in the league once.
the others have experience that Henson can only wish he had, right now.

[dbair1967]

You know what's funny all those guys are better than Henson, 2 have Super bowl rings as the starter. One has a ring or two from the european league, and he has started on what was the top offense in the league once.
the others have experience that Henson can only wish he had, right now.

obviously you havent watched them on the field much...those guys I mentioned have all been putrid this yr, and some even last yr...yet some people honestly believe that awful players like that would be a huge upgrade here...I dont have the numbers in front of me, but the avg QB rating of those guys I mentioned this yr is probably around 50, maybe less

David

[Novacek84]

Somewhere out there there's fans from another team thinking the exact same thing about Drew Henson and Tony Romo.
We have BINGO ladies and gentleman! And that's why Parcells has blown this whole season by trading for Henson and then not playing him when the team started to flounder.

[silver]

those guys I mentioned have all been putrid this yr, and some even last yr...

Vinny was putrid last year and is putrid again this year. I can recall Vinny last year with the Jets and he was very bad. Same this year. Some of you will give his stats and this and that but the times I had a chance to watch him play last year he was bad. This year has been more of the same. I know this is a dead horse we're beating, and Vinny didn't have a "perfect" world out there every Sunday.

But I saw a Jake Delhome pulling his team from bottom dwellers to the playoffs maybe, without a running back and his main WR. (Of course he has Peppers on D)

So maybe if we fix the defense and get everybody back healthy next year and everything is "perfect" on offense then yes we can have a winning record. But even Steve DeBerg could post a winning record that way.

One season of Testaverde has been more than enough for me thank you very much.

[Tio]

What about that Chris Simms kid in tampa? Id like to give him a shot...

[gbrittain]

obviously you havent watched them on the field much...those guys I mentioned have all been putrid this yr, and some even last yr...yet some people honestly believe that awful players like that would be a huge upgrade here...I dont have the numbers in front of me, but the avg QB rating of those guys I mentioned this yr is probably around 50, maybe less

David

To me it is like a lottery ticket.

Lottery ticket A has been scratched off and it is a loser ticket.

Lottery ticket B has not been scratched off.

Odds are very slim that B will be a winner, but I will take my chances with B over A.

I guess a lot of people would rather have known losers around here as opposed to a long shot possibility of a winner.

[OLDSCHOOL]

obviously you havent watched them on the field much...those guys I mentioned have all been putrid this yr, and some even last yr...yet some people honestly believe that awful players like that would be a huge upgrade here...I dont have the numbers in front of me, but the avg QB rating of those guys I mentioned this yr is probably around 50, maybe less

David

Well, David Putrid they may be but they are still better than what we have on our roster right now.

What is worse than putrid?
Whatever it is that is what our QBs are. LOL

[dbair1967]

Well, David Putrid they may be but they are still better than what we have on our roster right now.

What is worse than putrid?
Whatever it is that is what our QBs are. LOL

those people I picked out (and there are more) are either washed up and passed their prime, or no more proven or talented than what we have here...

before giving up on whats here and replacing them with someone who is as much, if not more of a question mark, we should actually try to develop them and see if they pan out...especially in the case of Henson, because he was universally thought of as a top-5, perhaps even #1 overall type talent

just because Henson (or Romo) didnt play this yr that much doesnt mean they CANT play in the future...everyone has been engulfed with the conspiracy theories regarding the young QB's but it COULD REALLY BE exactly what Parcells says, he just doesnt think they are ready to play today. It's not how I would have handled it, but there are alot of coaches who have a similar train of thought. ust one example is Tom Landry, he absolutely believed a QB wasnt ready until they had been in the system a few years...I think he said a QB wasnt ready until they had been in the league 3-4 years. I think he was also on record before being let go by Jones as saying Aikman would be the #1 pick for us in 89, but he would not begin the year as a starter

David

[Rack Bauer]

We have BINGO ladies and gentleman! And that's why Parcells has blown this whole season by trading for Henson and then not playing him when the team started to flounder.


Henson is a long term project. Why can't people understand that?

[Sarge]

What about that Chris Simms kid in tampa? Id like to give him a shot...

With all due respect - I'm glad you're not in charge.

[Rack Bauer]

With all due respect - I'm glad you're not in charge.


With all due respect, same to you.

[Sarge]

With all due respect, same to you.

Umm - ya ok.

[Rack Bauer]

Umm - ya ok.


What, it's ok for you to feel taht way about someone, but not ok for someone to feel that way about you?


:banghead:


Hell, I'm glad 99.9% of the people here don't make the decisions at VR, myself included. I'd be to busy trying to hook up with cheerleaders to worry about personnel decisiosn. :D

[Sarge]

What, it's ok for you to feel taht way about someone, but not ok for someone to feel that way about you?


:banghead:


Hell, I'm glad 99.9% of the people here don't make the decisions at VR, myself included. I'd be to busy trying to hook up with cheerleaders to worry about personnel decisiosn. :D

I would say you're probably better off trying to hook up with cheerleaders but somehow I doubt it.

[Rack Bauer]

I would say you're probably better off trying to hook up with cheerleaders but somehow I doubt it.


Ahhh, are you trying to get personal?

God bless you, Sarge.

[Sarge]

Ahhh, are you trying to get personal?

God bless you, Sarge.

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[OLDSCHOOL]

What!!!!! 3-4 yrs, You don't say? You sound like you know a little somethin somethin about the development of young QBs(and I'm being serious on this part).

Now, this was Brees's 4th season and look at him now. watch what Carr and Harrington will do next season. I said that those guys will have their teams at 8-8 or 7-9 this season ;and dang if they are not poised to do exactly what I said.


Now, I said from day one back in 2001 that Carter and Brees would show what they are about in their 4th season. Up until this season those guys play was right on par for their natural maturation process.

One of those guys Brees played in two different systems 2yrs in a row. Carter on the other hand never got to do that, not once but he was still on par.

Carter went to the playoffs last season, Brees did not. Brees has always had a pretty good Vet around him too.

I never doubted Brees ability nor have I ever doubted Carter's, nor do I doubt Carr
and Harrington's abilities.

But here is the differences, Brees has always had a great RB, but no O-line for pass protection, they barely could open holes for LT, no receivers or TE, and the defense was good one season and bad the next. But this season Brees still has that great RB, but his O-line is the key to his team's rise to the top, they can pass protect now, open up big holes and he has a TE, (which seems to help out youngsters tremendously now days) and he has receivers and his defense is good once again.

Carr, has the RB, his O-line is having problems they are good one week and bad the next 2 weeks (up and down) his defense is the same way, but he has one dominating young receiver and his others are starting to come along, now all he needs is the TE.

Harrington, now has that RB, his O-line is suspect it has it's ups and downs as well as it's defense, he has some young developing great receivers that will dominate, when the other can get healthy and stay injury free, add a TE Harrington will be off the chain.

Carter, has played with a sorry sorry O-line his first 2 seasons, no RB, no WRs, no TE, and the defense was up and down. oh and horrble horrible coaching and mentors. His 3rd season his O-line was up and down, and he finally had a TE, young but he was showing that he was the real deal(Witten) still no RB, some decent receivers but not a true Number one receiver, we had only deep threats and a youngster who could not get his head together, but the defense was pretty good, they rated out by the numbers as a number one defense, and he finally got some excellent coaching and mentorship. He was poised to have and excellent season this year, same offense, a big chain moving number one receiver, with 2 deep threats and that 2nd year TE, that became a pro bowler. The O-line is better than last season they still do dumb things (penalties)but they are better and that RB is there (Jones). And he would have had that VET even though his play was never good, he has the knowledge of the game, and last and most importantly he wouldhave had the same system 2yrs in a row, that is why he would have had a monster season,. His 4th season, but he is in NY backing up Pennington, so his coming out party was put on hold till 05.

Miami Dolphins is where he will end up.

I know you will disagree, and that is fine. I know the kid can play ball and he has the talent.

Henson has a lot of catching up to do, just like Hutch. It seems Hutch's 3yrs and his experience in europe seemed to have helped him out.

so all we have is to do is send Henson to europe, let him stand again next season and the next and he just might be ready. Romo might be too hard to remove if the experience in europe helps him out like it did Hutch, with Romo's tenacity and his Favre like attitude.

I'm just waiting I hope we get one of those youngsters coming in the draft and move on from waiting on Henson. But I''l wait if that is what the Boys are going to do.

I'm not betting on Henson, to be the guy though.

[kojak]

Henson is a long term project. Why can't people understand that?


Because alot of people just want results now. They don't take anything else into consideration. Henson still needs to learn the speed of the game.

Kind of hard to see what Henson has in him when your O line is struggling, you lose cambell and glenn, our RB gets hurt for half of the season, and major problems defensivley.

You can't just throw a rookie to the wolves without anything around to protect him. Kind of pointless. Good example would be the skins game.

[junk]

I don't see why you wouldn't want to give yourself options. Everyone is screaming conspiracy here, but Vinny was clearly the better player than Henson on Thanksgiving. If Henson were better, I think he would be playing. Romo is more than likely Clint Stoerner II. Don't you want better options?

I have high hopes for Henson, but I really don't think he can make an impact next year. Maybe, but I have my doubts. Too many factors working against him. Why not take a look at a guy like David Garrard, who has looked good in limited opportunities? He has one year left on his deal, if he plays well, keep him around, if not, send him packing. I had mentioned a second. Probably too high, but a third or fourth might be reasonable. It is at least worth making a call for.

This team HAS to have a vet option next year who can start if needed. I would be alright with Vinny except he has looked just plain old the last few games. He has really seem to have worn down. Do you really want to go with Vinny, Henson and Romo again?

Take a look at the vet options. I would like a 26 year old with skills, upside and starting experience. He looks like the best option to me right now.

[dbair1967]

With all due respect - I'm glad you're not in charge.

I'll second that

David

[The30YardSlant]

What!!!!! 3-4 yrs, You don't say? You sound like you know a little somethin somethin about the development of young QBs(and I'm being serious on this part).

Now, this was Brees's 4th season and look at him now. watch what Carr and Harrington will do next season. I said that those guys will have their teams at 8-8 or 7-9 this season ;and dang if they are not poised to do exactly what I said.


Now, I said from day one back in 2001 that Carter and Brees would show what they are about in their 4th season. Up until this season those guys play was right on par for their natural maturation process.

One of those guys Brees played in two different systems 2yrs in a row. Carter on the other hand never got to do that, not once but he was still on par.

Carter went to the playoffs last season, Brees did not. Brees has always had a pretty good Vet around him too.

I never doubted Brees ability nor have I ever doubted Carter's, nor do I doubt Carr
and Harrington's abilities.

But here is the differences, Brees has always had a great RB, but no O-line for pass protection, they barely could open holes for LT, no receivers or TE, and the defense was good one season and bad the next. But this season Brees still has that great RB, but his O-line is the key to his team's rise to the top, they can pass protect now, open up big holes and he has a TE, (which seems to help out youngsters tremendously now days) and he has receivers and his defense is good once again.

Carr, has the RB, his O-line is having problems they are good one week and bad the next 2 weeks (up and down) his defense is the same way, but he has one dominating young receiver and his others are starting to come along, now all he needs is the TE.

Harrington, now has that RB, his O-line is suspect it has it's ups and downs as well as it's defense, he has some young developing great receivers that will dominate, when the other can get healthy and stay injury free, add a TE Harrington will be off the chain.

Carter, has played with a sorry sorry O-line his first 2 seasons, no RB, no WRs, no TE, and the defense was up and down. oh and horrble horrible coaching and mentors. His 3rd season his O-line was up and down, and he finally had a TE, young but he was showing that he was the real deal(Witten) still no RB, some decent receivers but not a true Number one receiver, we had only deep threats and a youngster who could not get his head together, but the defense was pretty good, they rated out by the numbers as a number one defense, and he finally got some excellent coaching and mentorship. He was poised to have and excellent season this year, same offense, a big chain moving number one receiver, with 2 deep threats and that 2nd year TE, that became a pro bowler. The O-line is better than last season they still do dumb things (penalties)but they are better and that RB is there (Jones). And he would have had that VET even though his play was never good, he has the knowledge of the game, and last and most importantly he wouldhave had the same system 2yrs in a row, that is why he would have had a monster season,. His 4th season, but he is in NY backing up Pennington, so his coming out party was put on hold till 05.

Miami Dolphins is where he will end up.

I know you will disagree, and that is fine. I know the kid can play ball and he has the talent.

Henson has a lot of catching up to do, just like Hutch. It seems Hutch's 3yrs and his experience in europe seemed to have helped him out.

so all we have is to do is send Henson to europe, let him stand again next season and the next and he just might be ready. Romo might be too hard to remove if the experience in europe helps him out like it did Hutch, with Romo's tenacity and his Favre like attitude.

I'm just waiting I hope we get one of those youngsters coming in the draft and move on from waiting on Henson. But I''l wait if that is what the Boys are going to do.

I'm not betting on Henson, to be the guy though.

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[dbair1967]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc15.jpg

bunny with pancake on his head

:laugh2:

David

[Rack Bauer]

What!!!!! 3-4 yrs, You don't say? You sound like you know a little somethin somethin about the development of young QBs(and I'm being serious on this part).

Now, this was Brees's 4th season and look at him now. watch what Carr and Harrington will do next season. I said that those guys will have their teams at 8-8 or 7-9 this season ;and dang if they are not poised to do exactly what I said.


Now, I said from day one back in 2001 that Carter and Brees would show what they are about in their 4th season. Up until this season those guys play was right on par for their natural maturation process.

One of those guys Brees played in two different systems 2yrs in a row. Carter on the other hand never got to do that, not once but he was still on par.

Carter went to the playoffs last season, Brees did not. Brees has always had a pretty good Vet around him too.

I never doubted Brees ability nor have I ever doubted Carter's, nor do I doubt Carr
and Harrington's abilities.

But here is the differences, Brees has always had a great RB, but no O-line for pass protection, they barely could open holes for LT, no receivers or TE, and the defense was good one season and bad the next. But this season Brees still has that great RB, but his O-line is the key to his team's rise to the top, they can pass protect now, open up big holes and he has a TE, (which seems to help out youngsters tremendously now days) and he has receivers and his defense is good once again.

Carr, has the RB, his O-line is having problems they are good one week and bad the next 2 weeks (up and down) his defense is the same way, but he has one dominating young receiver and his others are starting to come along, now all he needs is the TE.

Harrington, now has that RB, his O-line is suspect it has it's ups and downs as well as it's defense, he has some young developing great receivers that will dominate, when the other can get healthy and stay injury free, add a TE Harrington will be off the chain.

Carter, has played with a sorry sorry O-line his first 2 seasons, no RB, no WRs, no TE, and the defense was up and down. oh and horrble horrible coaching and mentors. His 3rd season his O-line was up and down, and he finally had a TE, young but he was showing that he was the real deal(Witten) still no RB, some decent receivers but not a true Number one receiver, we had only deep threats and a youngster who could not get his head together, but the defense was pretty good, they rated out by the numbers as a number one defense, and he finally got some excellent coaching and mentorship. He was poised to have and excellent season this year, same offense, a big chain moving number one receiver, with 2 deep threats and that 2nd year TE, that became a pro bowler. The O-line is better than last season they still do dumb things (penalties)but they are better and that RB is there (Jones). And he would have had that VET even though his play was never good, he has the knowledge of the game, and last and most importantly he wouldhave had the same system 2yrs in a row, that is why he would have had a monster season,. His 4th season, but he is in NY backing up Pennington, so his coming out party was put on hold till 05.

Miami Dolphins is where he will end up.

I know you will disagree, and that is fine. I know the kid can play ball and he has the talent.

Henson has a lot of catching up to do, just like Hutch. It seems Hutch's 3yrs and his experience in europe seemed to have helped him out.

so all we have is to do is send Henson to europe, let him stand again next season and the next and he just might be ready. Romo might be too hard to remove if the experience in europe helps him out like it did Hutch, with Romo's tenacity and his Favre like attitude.

I'm just waiting I hope we get one of those youngsters coming in the draft and move on from waiting on Henson. But I''l wait if that is what the Boys are going to do.

I'm not betting on Henson, to be the guy though.


Good post, OS. But let's just forget about Carter. He screwed up, so he's gone. I thought he could be a good QB in time, but he screwed up. Oh well.

I want to see what Henson can do, but we won't know what he can do at the end of his first season in a some meaningless games after being away from the game for 4 years. Let's see where he's at towards the end of 2006.