View Full Version : Redskins cheerleader gets flu shot and can only walk backwards
Cajuncowboy
10-23-2009, 06:38 PM
This is very sad.
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Big Dakota
10-23-2009, 06:41 PM
Holy smokes, that's sad.
Jon88
10-23-2009, 06:51 PM
That's wierd.
Cajuncowboy
10-23-2009, 07:01 PM
Holy smokes, that's sad.
I really think that only the very young and the elderly should get this vaccine. They are the ones most susceptible to dying from the H1N1 other than the sickly.
other than that, it's just like the regular flu and it's over in a few days. Not worth the risk IMO.
Maikeru-sama
10-23-2009, 07:04 PM
Dang, didn't want to hear about something like that on a Friday.
Pretty sad.
big dog cowboy
10-23-2009, 07:51 PM
Holy moly.
:eek:
I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds of that. Too depressing.
BrAinPaiNt
10-23-2009, 08:09 PM
That is so bizarre. I feel for that family.:(
Hoofbite
10-23-2009, 08:17 PM
I really think that only the very young and the elderly should get this vaccine. They are the ones most susceptible to dying from the H1N1 other than the sickly.
other than that, it's just like the regular flu and it's over in a few days. Not worth the risk IMO.
I dunno.
Thousands die every year from the flu and it isn't only the young, elderly or sickly.
1:1,000,000
If every person in America was given the shot we'd be talking about 300 people who'd get it. Of course there are other risks but even still I don't think the combined risk would outweigh the number of deaths from the flu.
Sucks for her. Really odd condition. Almost seems unreal. The fact that she snaps out of it when running is probably a good indication that this will get worked out in the not too distant future.
Hostile
10-23-2009, 08:36 PM
Oh my, I would think that they can do something to reverse that. How can there be nothing when she has such lucid normal moments?
bbgun
10-23-2009, 08:46 PM
This is a local story that's dominating the news. Jim Carrey (the comedian) has offered to help her financially. The problem is that he's a huge anti-innoculation freak, which could dissuade some people from doing the sensible thing.
Hoofbite
10-23-2009, 09:03 PM
This is a local story that's dominating the news. Jim Carrey (the comedian) has offered to help her financially. The problem is that he's a huge anti-innoculation freak, which could dissuade some people from doing the sensible thing.
Is he really?
Guess it makes sense since Jenny McCarthy is the self appointed spokes model for that junk.
Cajuncowboy
10-23-2009, 09:21 PM
I dunno.
Thousands die every year from the flu and it isn't only the young, elderly or sickly.
1:1,000,000
If every person in America was given the shot we'd be talking about 300 people who'd get it. Of course there are other risks but even still I don't think the combined risk would outweigh the number of deaths from the flu.
Sucks for her. Really odd condition. Almost seems unreal. The fact that she snaps out of it when running is probably a good indication that this will get worked out in the not too distant future.
We are specifically talking about H1N1. Those that have died from it by and large have been from the groups I mentioned. Add to that the fact the H1N1 scare is what's driving the rush to get the vaccine and you have them showing up on the market far before they have been substantially tested.
There is no way I would risk my family or myself over flu like systems when the result of the vaccine is possibly worse.
Hoofbite
10-23-2009, 09:59 PM
We are specifically talking about H1N1. Those that have died from it by and large have been from the groups I mentioned.
Even if all but 1% were from the groups you mentioned, more able bodied youths would still die than would catch her deal.
Add to that the fact the H1N1 scare is what's driving the rush to get the vaccine and you have them showing up on the market far before they have been substantially tested.
I don't think that's the case at all. Every year there are new strains of the flu virus and every year they have to make new vaccines to counter them. The vaccine you get for the flu covers the most common types. I don't think there is any sort of deficiency in the H1N1 vaccine from it being rushed to the market.
There is no way I would risk my family or myself over flu like systems when the result of the vaccine is possibly worse.
Avoiding vaccinations because of a 1:1,000,000 chance seems awfully paranoid.
Biggems
10-23-2009, 10:20 PM
I dont do the flu shots.....never have.
I am cool with the tetinis, polio, pox, etc. vaccines...i am even cool with allergy shots. I've just heard of too many instances where the flu shot causes problems.
I feel really bad for this woman and her husband. She seemed to have had a very nice life, and then this shot took it all away.
On a positive note, this incident has brought this rare disorder into the limelight, if not for a short period. Hopefully a few people with deep pockets and help fund research to find some type of remedy or even cure.
God Bless her.
theogt
10-23-2009, 10:25 PM
And now I'll never get a flu shot.
I dont do the flu shots.....never have.
I feel really bad for this woman and her husband. She seemed to have had a very nice life, and then this shot took it all away.
On a positive note, this incident has brought this rare disorder into the limelight, if not for a short period. Hopefully a few people with deep pockets and help fund research to find some type of remedy or even cure.
God Bless her.
:signmast:
ChldsPlay
10-23-2009, 11:35 PM
I really think that only the very young and the elderly should get this vaccine. They are the ones most susceptible to dying from the H1N1 other than the sickly.
other than that, it's just like the regular flu and it's over in a few days. Not worth the risk IMO.
The video said it was just a seasonal flu shot, H1N1 wasn't mentioned at all.
Doomsday
10-24-2009, 12:36 AM
Holy crap that is crazy.
Cajuncowboy
10-24-2009, 12:56 AM
The video said it was just a seasonal flu shot, H1N1 wasn't mentioned at all.
Again, the reason this has become so prevalent is because of the H1N1 strain. And frankly, I think it is way overblown in the media. It's being used to make a point for HC reform but since the PZ is gone I won't comment further.
Specifically however, Time reported recently that WHO and the CDC said that of the nearly 12,000 reported cases worldwide, most were not severe enough to warrant hospitalization and the ones that had sever complications were suffering from some other underlying medical condition.
Passepartout
10-24-2009, 01:44 AM
Really feel bad for that cheerleader and her husband.
That damages their future! Especially if they wanted kids.
Hoofbite
10-24-2009, 02:01 AM
Again, the reason this has become so prevalent is because of the H1N1 strain. And frankly, I think it is way overblown in the media. It's being used to make a point for HC reform but since the PZ is gone I won't comment further.
Specifically however, Time reported recently that WHO and the CDC said that of the nearly 12,000 reported cases worldwide, most were not severe enough to warrant hospitalization and the ones that had sever complications were suffering from some other underlying medical condition.
12,000 cases? How old is the article? It topped 10,000 cases LONG ago.
peplaw06
10-24-2009, 09:21 AM
This is a local story that's dominating the news. Jim Carrey (the comedian) has offered to help her financially. The problem is that he's a huge anti-innoculation freak, which could dissuade some people from doing the sensible thing.I guess pro-innoculization is the only "sensible thing?"
bbgun
10-24-2009, 10:32 AM
I guess pro-innoculization is the only "sensible thing?"
Absolutely, especialy if you're in a high-risk group (very young, very old). What happened to her was exceedingly rare. It would be like eschewing plane travel due to the odd crash.
Big Dakota
10-24-2009, 11:46 AM
I really think that only the very young and the elderly should get this vaccine. They are the ones most susceptible to dying from the H1N1 other than the sickly.
other than that, it's just like the regular flu and it's over in a few days. Not worth the risk IMO.
I've never had one, my 23 year old son has never had on nor has my 10 year old and we'll never get one.
WoodysGirl
10-24-2009, 12:10 PM
I've gotten the flu shot twice in the past 10 years. Each time, I come down with a cold or something.
Got the regular flu shot a couple weeks ago and now I have some form of chest congestion. It's going away with some OTC meds, but I hate being sick in any way.
I respect people's rights to get it or not get it, but for me, I probably won't in the future.
ajk23az
10-24-2009, 12:14 PM
I haven't got one since elementary school. I rarely get sick *knock on wood* and have no use for it.
Hoofbite
10-24-2009, 03:05 PM
I guess pro-innoculization is the only "sensible thing?"
It is when you know McCarthy's stance which is likely Jims stance as well.
From what I remember she is against all of them because of the risk it would cause autism.
Not just the flu, but pretty much all immunizations.
It is when you know McCarthy's stance which is likely Jims stance as well.
From what I remember she is against all of them because of the risk it would cause autism.
Not just the flu, but pretty much all immunizations.
And? She's spent more time with her autistic son trying to gain a better understanding of why he's afflicted. What does she have to lose, in the face of what our benevolent 'they', if it's discovered that they are at fault? You know what will happen in our litigation-happy society if these people were to admit the truth? Think Phillip-Morris in that specious load of horse manure.
Ridiculously enough, pregnant women are dissuaded from eating fish and mostly tuna because of Mercury content, yet the medical industry wants to inoculate infants with these things containing mercury as a preservative. The growth of autism over the last 16 years is ridiculous. The number of people I know with autistic children is just grossly ridiculous and can only be attributed to environmental issues, transcending habits.
I used to think steroid users had something to do with the problem, because I'd see sports figures doing commercials for autism awareness, and someone I know who's a juicer has an autistic child. Well, I can tell you the good number of people I know personally are not, nor casual drug users.
One thing that has inexplicably changed is the age which these kids are vaccinated. I was vaccinated around 5-ish in '73, when my immune system was probably more formidable and able to handle such things. Junking up some infant is patently ridiculous and unnecessary.
Jenny McCarthy is far from a quack, she's just doesn't have the control of perception the people most likely to be damaged by the truth of what she's saying do, if it is.
theogt
10-24-2009, 04:58 PM
The growth of autism over the last 16 years is ridiculous. The number of people I know with autistic children is just grossly ridiculous and can only be attributed to environmental issues, transcending habits.From what I can see, cases of autism as a percentage of births have declined tremendously in the past decade. I think you could make a reasonable argument that the growth in cases in the decade prior to that wasn't necessarily due to more kids having autism, but rather more kids being diagnosed with autism. In other words, an over-diagnosis.
Mavs Man
10-24-2009, 05:00 PM
I normally don't get the flu shot, as I have not had the flu since age 11 or 12. got it this year more because I am around a lot of kids and I visit a nursing home every Sunday, so it's for their sake that I do it. I don't expect to get sick or not sick whether I have the shot or not, as the percentages of the CDC picking the correct strain and the strain not mutating between the time the vaccine is mass produced and hits the market is not a big number.
That said, in most cases when someone gets sick right after the flu shot it's because they already had contracted something or had not yet built up the necessary immunity to prevent it (two weeks, on average), or as I said above they picked the wrong strain.
Still, while cases like this story are exceptionally rare, it is very, very sad and certainly she would have rather have gotten the flu than this (but how can you know this is a possibility?). Like winning the negative lottery.
From what I can see, cases of autism as a percentage of births have declined tremendously in the past decade. I think you could make a reasonable argument that the growth in cases in the decade prior to that wasn't necessarily due to more kids having autism, but rather more kids being diagnosed with autism. In other words, an over-diagnosis.
I'm not sure I get you, when you say decade prior to that. Are you saying it was over diagnosed at that point? I don't know the numbers pertaining to birth rates, so I can't say how that might effect the numbers.
There's no mistaking an autistic child, and now they claim there is some sort of spectrum, where a child is on the spectrum of autism, but not full blown and it would be very hard to misdiagnose. Regardless of what it might be characterized as, there are a great number of children with some serious disabilities. If you look at the ingredients on the vaccines, it states that Thermarasol (sp?) may cause neurological problems and it's not at all out of the realm of possibility that introducing otherwise toxic elements are the problem.
Hostile
10-24-2009, 08:14 PM
I have never gotten the flu shot. I doubt I ever will.
I have never gotten the flu shot. I doubt I ever will.
Somehow that doesn't surprise me.
I've never had one either, I figured the flu is something you just got from time to time and let it work it's way out.
Hoofbite
10-24-2009, 08:53 PM
Ridiculously enough, pregnant women are dissuaded from eating fish and mostly tuna because of Mercury content, yet the medical industry wants to inoculate infants with these things containing mercury as a preservative. The growth of autism over the last 16 years is ridiculous. The number of people I know with autistic children is just grossly ridiculous and can only be attributed to environmental issues, transcending habits.
Pregnant women are dissuaded from eating fish because mercury levels that are safe for people are not safe for developing organisms the size of a pea. For the 1st couple months, the fetus is no bigger than M&M. That's why women should avoid fish. (FWIW, I don't think mercury is the main target of the cause of autism, not that I am suggesting you said that.)
But that shouldn't be an argument against getting immunized. Women aren't supposed to drink during pregnancy but that isn't an argument against alcohol consumption. Its an argument against ****ing up your kid as a result of introducing harmful products at the time when they are developing most.
One thing that has inexplicably changed is the age which these kids are vaccinated. I was vaccinated around 5-ish in '73, when my immune system was probably more formidable and able to handle such things. Junking up some infant is patently ridiculous and unnecessary.From what I can gather, McCarthy's kid was born in 02' and it wasn't until 07' that she announced he had autism. Who knows when he was given shots but its unlikely to have taken place as an infant if it took 5 years before she came out with it.
Furthermore, there are some who think that her son may not have even had autism.
http://neurotodayonline.com/pt/re/neurotoday/fulltext.00132985-200808070-00005.htm;jsessionid=KjrQQQ59rxfXJq9pxGsPvbvwnrh2Q qvJlMprwMdHTBSKlS7b5lMk!-2135654213!181195629!8091!-1 (http://neurotodayonline.com/pt/re/neurotoday/fulltext.00132985-200808070-00005.htm;jsessionid=KjrQQQ59rxfXJq9pxGsPvbvwnrh2Q qvJlMprwMdHTBSKlS7b5lMk%21-2135654213%21181195629%218091%21-1)
Jenny McCarthy is far from a quack, she's just doesn't have the control of perception the people most likely to be damaged by the truth of what she's saying do, if it is.McCarthy is far from a quack because she isn't just a quack. She's a quack who people will listen to. She isn't anything close to a medical expert but because she can pull the face time on the right shows, people will give credence to what she is saying.
Faerluna
10-24-2009, 09:46 PM
From what I can gather, McCarthy's kid was born in 02' and it wasn't until 07' that she announced he had autism. Who knows when he was given shots but its unlikely to have taken place as an infant if it took 5 years before she came out with it.
Probably something similar to what's in this chart.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2009/09_0-6yrs_schedule_pr.pdf
peplaw06
10-24-2009, 10:17 PM
Probably something similar to what's in this chart.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2009/09_0-6yrs_schedule_pr.pdf
Almost 40 doses in the first 6 years of the child's life.
BrAinPaiNt
10-24-2009, 11:11 PM
I have never gotten the flu shot. I doubt I ever will.
I have not gotten them since the Army days. Most of the time I would get it after I got the shot so I said screw it I will take my chances and have not had another since.
Hostile
10-24-2009, 11:56 PM
I have not gotten them since the Army days. Most of the time I would get it after I got the shot so I said screw it I will take my chances and have not had another since.I hate needles. I got bit by a dog when I was a kid. That was back when they gave you shots in the stomach for 21 straight days or some psychotic torture. No way are you going to get me to willingly take one. I will if I have to.
I honestly do not understand people who get sick and go to the Emergency Room. They waste everyone's time with that crap.
Starve a fever, feed a cold. Clear liquids. Rest.
Ride it out. Be meaner than the flu.
Bob Sacamano
10-24-2009, 11:58 PM
I hate needles. I got bit by a dog when I was a kid. That was back when they gave you shots in the stomach for 21 straight days or some psychotic torture. No way are you going to get me to willingly take one. I will if I have to.
I honestly do not understand people who get sick and go to the Emergency Room. They waste everyone's time with that crap.
Starve a fever, feed a cold. Clear liquids. Rest.
Ride it out. Be meaner than the flu.
you'd make a great life coach
Hostile
10-25-2009, 12:05 AM
you'd make a great life coachSorry Bob, I have no idea what a life coach is.
Bob Sacamano
10-25-2009, 12:05 AM
Sorry Bob, I have no idea what a life coach is.
seriously?
it's a counselor some people go to if they have self-esteem issues or something
I had one when I weighed 350lbs
MarionBarberThe4th
10-25-2009, 12:07 AM
I havent been sick in like 2 years now that Im not a chubster.
Jon88
10-25-2009, 12:18 AM
I hate needles. I got bit by a dog when I was a kid. That was back when they gave you shots in the stomach for 21 straight days or some psychotic torture. No way are you going to get me to willingly take one. I will if I have to.
I honestly do not understand people who get sick and go to the Emergency Room. They waste everyone's time with that crap.
Starve a fever, feed a cold. Clear liquids. Rest.
Ride it out. Be meaner than the flu.
I used to be terrified of needles but the last two years I've had a lot of them. Cavities, root cannals, cortisone shots in my shoulder, knee, and hip, stiches twice. The thing I still hate is blood being drawn. But I'm like you, if you get the flu deal with it. The shot just makes you sick.
bbgun
10-25-2009, 01:03 AM
seriously?
it's a counselor some people go to if they have self-esteem issues or something
I had one when I weighed 350lbs
Beefcake!
Hoofbite
10-25-2009, 01:05 AM
seriously?
it's a counselor some people go to if they have self-esteem issues or something
I had one when I weighed 350lbs
You say "when" as if you still don't.
REDVOLUTION
10-25-2009, 07:14 AM
Wow. All of her "life's progamming" is on the fritz. when she does something that wasnt a part of her regular life, she is fine.
I can wait for nanotechnology. Get those nano-meds/particles/sensors(whatever they decide to call it) in there and reprogram her.
Hostile
10-25-2009, 07:35 AM
seriously?
it's a counselor some people go to if they have self-esteem issues or something
I had one when I weighed 350lbsOkay. Yeah, I have never heard of one. So were you saying I'd be good at it, or would I push people over the edge?
Pregnant women are dissuaded from eating fish because mercury levels that are safe for people are not safe for developing organisms the size of a pea. For the 1st couple months, the fetus is no bigger than M&M. That's why women should avoid fish. (FWIW, I don't think mercury is the main target of the cause of autism, not that I am suggesting you said that.)
But that shouldn't be an argument against getting immunized. Women aren't supposed to drink during pregnancy but that isn't an argument against alcohol consumption. Its an argument against ****ing up your kid as a result of introducing harmful products at the time when they are developing most.
Which is why I referenced the age thing. Immunization is taking place much younger than it used to and it's probably not a good idea. An infant does not have the strongest immune system to handle it.
From what I can gather, McCarthy's kid was born in 02' and it wasn't until 07' that she announced he had autism. Who knows when he was given shots but its unlikely to have taken place as an infant if it took 5 years before she came out with it.
Kid's with autism aren't diagnosed until they are around 3-5, depending on the kid's own abilities. You can't tell if an infant or toddler has a learning disability. The measuring stick is when the the child is beyond simply tasks and is learning to socialize and focus comes later.
Furthermore, there are some who think that her son may not have even had autism.
http://neurotodayonline.com/pt/re/neurotoday/fulltext.00132985-200808070-00005.htm;jsessionid=KjrQQQ59rxfXJq9pxGsPvbvwnrh2Q qvJlMprwMdHTBSKlS7b5lMk!-2135654213!181195629!8091!-1 (http://neurotodayonline.com/pt/re/neurotoday/fulltext.00132985-200808070-00005.htm;jsessionid=KjrQQQ59rxfXJq9pxGsPvbvwnrh2Q qvJlMprwMdHTBSKlS7b5lMk%21-2135654213%21181195629%218091%21-1)
I have a feeling that may be so - you can't simply cure autism in a child. Full blown autism is brutal.
McCarthy is far from a quack because she isn't just a quack. She's a quack who people will listen to. She isn't anything close to a medical expert but because she can pull the face time on the right shows, people will give credence to what she is saying.
I don't think so at all. I'd rather there be questions into the actions of an increasingly bottom-line-driven industry that is predicated on our health. If it can be highlighted that immunization is taking place too early and it's because someone opened their mouth then good. It's not a quack who questions convention.
ChldsPlay
10-25-2009, 09:58 AM
I honestly do not understand people who get sick and go to the Emergency Room. They waste everyone's time with that crap.
Starve a fever, feed a cold. Clear liquids. Rest.
Ride it out. Be meaner than the flu.
Exactly. Outside of any injuries from work, I've been to the doctor/hospital twice in the past 13 years. Once was for pneumonia (after 4 days of a 104 degree fever I decided to go see the doc), and the other was because of a kidney stone (Wouldn't wish this on anyone).
I'm not going to waste my time (or money) for the standard cough, fever, sore throat, congestion, or because I just basically feel like crap (like I currently do). It'll be gone in a few days either way.
Cochese
10-25-2009, 01:43 PM
I am getting over H1N1 right now, it sucks, but you will live.
It's so crazy I almost wonder if it's a hoax.
Bob Sacamano
10-25-2009, 11:53 PM
You say "when" as if you still don't.
bastid
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