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rcaldw
01-02-2005, 10:43 PM
Go ahead fellas, tell us what in the world we gained by playing Testaverde in these meaningless games? Tell me what it gained us tonight?
And no matter what garbage you offer up to convince us, just remember this. The rookie QB who beat us tonight and looked so good doing it looked like garbage 7 weeks ago. And he looked like garbage for about 4 straight weeks. The difference? His coach put him in, left him in and playing makes QB's better.
Go ahead and spew all the Parcells bull corn that we hear every week.
....the boxer analogies
....the "you can lose the player" talk
....the "some guys aren't ready yet"
yada, yada, yada, yada.
Plain and simple, this approach was stupidity and nothing but a testimony to his hopeless ego and legendary stubbornness.
Disgusting. May we be blessed with a retirement announcement in a week, Parcells or Testaverde, I don't care, please just rescue THIS Cowboys fan from a situation that just won't die.
tyke1doe
01-02-2005, 10:46 PM
That rookie QB also played how many years in college?
Oh, quit your whining. The Cowboys will survive. A new season and off-season offers new hope.
I'm glad Parcells is a win NOW coach. He'll be a win NOW coach next year and a win NOW coach the year after that. I wouldn't expect any less.
devotedfan
01-02-2005, 10:48 PM
Wish we could lose Vinny, Wiley, EG.,RA, Flo, Dex, Vollers, Barnes, and Dixon.
bratch59
01-02-2005, 10:48 PM
oh brother
chinch
01-02-2005, 10:49 PM
blah.
we have only ONE LEGITIMATE NFL-READY QB at this time.
you guys think playing Drew/Romo will miraculously make them Aikman by next season. ROTF
rcaldw
01-02-2005, 10:49 PM
That rookie QB also played how many years in college?
Oh, quit your whining. The Cowboys will survive. A new season and off-season offers new hope.
I'm glad Parcells is a win NOW coach. He'll be a win NOW coach next year and a win NOW coach the year after that. I wouldn't expect any less.
Sorry, we've heard that Parcell's speak before too Tyke. Not buying it. You know what is fitting. It was a ROOKIE QB THAT KICKED PARCELL'S BUTT TONIGHT. That is perfect.
THEHEREAFTER
01-02-2005, 10:49 PM
Go ahead fellas, tell us what in the world we gained by playing Testaverde in these meaningless games? Tell me what it gained us tonight?
And no matter what garbage you offer up to convince us, just remember this. The rookie QB who beat us tonight and looked so good doing it looked like garbage 7 weeks ago. And he looked like garbage for about 4 straight weeks. The difference? His coach put him in, left him in and playing makes QB's better.
Go ahead and spew all the Parcells bull corn that we hear every week.
....the boxer analogies
....the "you can lose the player" talk
....the "some guys aren't ready yet"
yada, yada, yada, yada.
Plain and simple, this approach was stupidity and nothing but a testimony to his hopeless ego and legendary stubbornness.
Disgusting. May we be blessed with a retirement announcement in a week, Parcells or Testaverde, I don't care, please just rescue THIS Cowboys fan from a situation that just won't die.
The funny thing is .. I doubt you make this post.. if we win.. and/or Eli looks bad.. let's stop the hindsight.. stuff.. my guess is that you'll get to see plenty of Henson next year.. Vinny certainly played well tonight-- Drew will get his shot.. let's move on..
Novacek84
01-02-2005, 10:49 PM
Go ahead fellas, tell us what in the world we gained by playing Testaverde in these meaningless games? Tell me what it gained us tonight?
And no matter what garbage you offer up to convince us, just remember this. The rookie QB who beat us tonight and looked so good doing it looked like garbage 7 weeks ago. And he looked like garbage for about 4 straight weeks. The difference? His coach put him in, left him in and playing makes QB's better.
Go ahead and spew all the Parcells bull corn that we hear every week.
....the boxer analogies
....the "you can lose the player" talk
....the "some guys aren't ready yet"
yada, yada, yada, yada.
Plain and simple, this approach was stupidity and nothing but a testimony to his hopeless ego and legendary stubbornness.
Disgusting. May we be blessed with a retirement announcement in a week, Parcells or Testaverde, I don't care, please just rescue THIS Cowboys fan from a situation that just won't die.
Agreed. In a lost season not playing the kids is unacceptable to me as well. And for all those who say well, Henson hasn't played but 8 games since high school I ask: HOW THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO GET EXPERIENCE IF YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY? Is magic the answer?
Waffle
01-02-2005, 10:50 PM
I nominate this thread to be banished immediately to the Smack Zone. :p
Waffle
01-02-2005, 10:50 PM
Agreed. In a lost season not playing the kids is unacceptable to me as well. And for all those who say well, Henson hasn't played but 8 games since high school I ask: HOW THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO GET EXPERIENCE IF YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY? Is magic the answer?No. The answer is called NFL Europe. ;)
Go ahead fellas, tell us what in the world we gained by playing Testaverde in these meaningless games? Tell me what it gained us tonight?
And no matter what garbage you offer up to convince us, just remember this. The rookie QB who beat us tonight and looked so good doing it looked like garbage 7 weeks ago. And he looked like garbage for about 4 straight weeks. The difference? His coach put him in, left him in and playing makes QB's better.
Go ahead and spew all the Parcells bull corn that we hear every week.
....the boxer analogies
....the "you can lose the player" talk
....the "some guys aren't ready yet"
yada, yada, yada, yada.
Plain and simple, this approach was stupidity and nothing but a testimony to his hopeless ego and legendary stubbornness.
Disgusting. May we be blessed with a retirement announcement in a week, Parcells or Testaverde, I don't care, please just rescue THIS Cowboys fan from a situation that just won't die.
Maybe because Tony Romo and Drew Henson really suck bad! They must suck really bad if they can't beat out Vinny.
diehard2294
01-02-2005, 10:53 PM
blah.
we have only ONE LEGITIMATE NFL-READY QB at this time.
you guys think playing Drew/Romo will miraculously make them Aikman by next season. ROTFThat's your take on the situation. How much worse would we have been this year getting the young guys playing time, 4-12 maybe and have a better clue going into the offseason. That would be asking too much right
Hoods
01-02-2005, 10:54 PM
Parcells remained consistent with his development plan of the Quarterback. I can guarantee you guys that none of us would be calling out for Henson if Vinny was playing good ball. Granted, that's probably the precise reason why some want him out but why should we take a detour in Henson's development just to please fans who probably have never even coached high school ball (not that it would matter, high school and pro football differ greatly).
Parcells figured that Henson hasn't played for what, 3-4 years and knew that it would take a while for him to learn the system and groom into how to play Quarterback at the pro level. Parcells wants to develop a quarterback's development, not delay one.
Parcells figures if he can get a good supporting cast any quarterback can be relatively sucessful. So what exactly is wrong with teaching a quarterback the offense, let him get into a grove and slow down the game (shoot he's barely catching on in practice squad), get players who can help him out, AND getting a line that can block for him. If Big Ben wasn't spoiled with what he has, who's to say he would have the same sucess? Shoot, how many rookies have had equal sucess as him record wise? None.
The Cowboys will be fine, and our Quarterback will come. Believe it or not, we have a young team, and forcing someone who hasn't played ball for years into the leader role sometimes isn't the right thing to do for not only the kid, but the team. You know, the Dallas Cowboys?
Novacek84
01-02-2005, 10:55 PM
No. The answer is called NFL Europe. ;)
NFL Europe should be an additional option to NFL experience, not the be all and end all.
Mr Cowboy
01-02-2005, 10:57 PM
Agreed. In a lost season not playing the kids is unacceptable to me as well. And for all those who say well, Henson hasn't played but 8 games since high school I ask: HOW THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO GET EXPERIENCE IF YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY? Is magic the answer?
What the hell are we doing with a QB who has only played only 8 games since High School? And this is our future? Whose fault is that?
Playing Vinny did nothing. It did not give us the best chance to win, we didn't win. We could have had the same record playing Drew and Tony and we would have known what we had at QB,
It's all on Parcells.
Novacek84
01-02-2005, 10:57 PM
Parcells remained consistent with his development plan of the Quarterback. I can guarantee you guys that none of us would be calling out for Henson if Vinny was playing good ball. Granted, that's probably the precise reason why some want him out but why should we take a detour in Henson's development just to please fans who probably have never even coached high school ball (not that it would matter, high school and pro football differ greatly).
Parcells figured that Henson hasn't played for what, 3-4 years and knew that it would take a while for him to learn the system and groom into how to play Quarterback at the pro level. Parcells wants to develop a quarterback's development, not delay one.
Parcells figures if he can get a good supporting cast any quarterback can be relatively sucessful. So what exactly is wrong with teaching a quarterback the offense, let him get into a grove and slow down the game (shoot he's barely catching on in practice squad), get players who can help him out, AND getting a line that can block for him. If Big Ben wasn't spoiled with what he has, who's to say he would have the same sucess? Shoot, how many rookies have had equal sucess as him record wise? None.
The Cowboys will be fine, and our Quarterback will come. Believe it or not, we have a young team, and forcing someone who hasn't played ball for years into the leader role sometimes isn't the right thing to do for not only the kid, but the team. You know, the Dallas Cowboys?
I don't agree with Parcells' approach but I love this team and I really hope your take on this is what ultimately happens for the good of the franchise.
Derinyar
01-02-2005, 10:58 PM
NFL Europe should be an additional option to NFL experience, not the be all and end all.
NFLE is a joke. Especially for skill positions. QB over there is a ditch and duck game.
Eskimo
01-02-2005, 10:59 PM
Yes, he sure did. He took an untalented, poorly coached 5-11 team.
But he used all the drafts picks and cap space to turn us into an untalented, poorly coached 6-10 team.
Bravo!
:clap2:
tyke1doe
01-02-2005, 11:00 PM
Sorry, we've heard that Parcell's speak before too Tyke. Not buying it. You know what is fitting. It was a ROOKIE QB THAT KICKED PARCELL'S BUTT TONIGHT. That is perfect.
I didn't quite understand your post because it doesn't exactly follow a grammatical pattern.
Are you saying "we've heard that Parcells speak before"? I assume that's what you meant.
To which I would respond: "So tell me what information you can give that would counter what Parcells says about Henson not being ready?"
I would assume that if you have some inside information or maybe have observed a practice involving Henson then you can give me some insight into how he's ready now.
Other than that, you're just spouting your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions? They're like, er, pieholes, everyone has one. ;)
Novacek84
01-02-2005, 11:01 PM
NFLE is a joke. Especially for skill positions. QB over there is a ditch and duck game.
I agree with you but someone earlier in the thread suggested NFL Europe would give Henson the experience he needs. I say not really
mr.jameswoods
01-02-2005, 11:03 PM
I'm a Parcells fan and I always will be. I'm glad he will be our coach next season. But even i can admit he did a lousy job this year. Sorry but I think it's rather silly for one to defend the job Parcells did this year. It's fairly obvious, he had a bad year. From his inactivity in free agency to his failure to start Lee over E. George early in the season to the more obvious blunder of Vinny starting late in the season when it was obvious his game was off. Parcells made many poor decisions this year.
But hey, even the greats have a bad season every now and then. Parcells is a smart guy. As stubborn as he is, the guy is intelligent. He may not admit to the media that he made mistakes this year but he is going to have a long off-season to reflect upon his mistakes.
Waffle
01-02-2005, 11:05 PM
NFL Europe should be an additional option to NFL experience, not the be all and end all.
Really? And here I was this whole time thinking NFL Europe is more important than the NFL. My bad!!
Waffle
01-02-2005, 11:09 PM
I'm a Parcells fan and I always will be. I'm glad he will be our coach next season. But even i can admit he did a lousy job this year. Sorry but I think it's rather silly for one to defend the job Parcells did this year. It's fairly obvious, he had a bad year. From his inactivity in free agency to his failure to start Lee over E. George early in the season to the more obvious blunder of Vinny starting late in the season when it was obvious his game was off. Parcells made many poor decisions this year.
But hey, even the greats have a bad season every now and then. Parcells is a smart guy. As stubborn as he is, the guy is intelligent. He may not admit to the media that he made mistakes this year but he is going to have a long off-season to reflect upon his mistakes.
I agree.
It's just as ridiculous to say Parcells did a "great" job coaching this season as to say he should be "fired."
JokeyH
01-02-2005, 11:14 PM
No, we wouldnt have had a better record! When the season started Vinny gave us the best shot at getting into the playoffs. And dont give me that bull that we knew we were out at mid season. We were in it up till about 3 weeks ago. Romo and Henson, are NOT ready. Let me repeat NOT READY. I know your gonna say, well we lost anyways.. Lets loose with them. You cant do that to the rest of the team. SOME of those guys fight and work their butts off to WIN games. What kind of message are you sending the team when you put 2 guys in that dont have any chance of winning games in?
I know Vinny has looked bad this year. I know... But there are MANY more areas that need work before you place blame on him or Parcells. I do agree that Zimmer has really laid a fat one this year. If the defense had even been middle of the pack, and we hadnt had Glenn, and Jones go down early wed be in the playoffs and we wouldnt have anything to argue about on here.
tyke1doe
01-02-2005, 11:15 PM
Who said Parcells did a great job or even a good job? :confused:
I wouldn't call this his best coaching job, but I'm a long-term man myself. The Cowboys just aren't where they need to be to contend for the playoffs.
This team, even with its lack of talent, took a step back. However, I like what I see in Witten, Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, Roy Williams and an improved Terrance Newman. Plus, Greg Ellis is pretty consistent.
We need a few more pieces, but they will come. So even in a disappointing year record-wise, I'm encouraged.
Oh_Canada
01-02-2005, 11:18 PM
Parcells remained consistent with his development plan of the Quarterback. I can guarantee you guys that none of us would be calling out for Henson if Vinny was playing good ball. Granted, that's probably the precise reason why some want him out but why should we take a detour in Henson's development just to please fans who probably have never even coached high school ball (not that it would matter, high school and pro football differ greatly).
Parcells figured that Henson hasn't played for what, 3-4 years and knew that it would take a while for him to learn the system and groom into how to play Quarterback at the pro level. Parcells wants to develop a quarterback's development, not delay one.
Yup a quarterback who hasn't played in four years is best to rot away for yet another year...meaning that he will now be almost FIVE years away from football come next fall....and guess what.....a year after that....it will be six...and on and on we go.....Parcells has had ample opportunity, if not to play him an entire game, give him a series or two each week with plays Henson is comfortable with...instead he leaves our ancient qb to throw pick after pick and lose four more games than we won.....yet he gives the team the best chance to win....make no mistake, this was a stubborn old coach, who could not stand the media and the fans telling his holiness how to coach his football team. The GREAT PARCELLS is never wrong..he wasn't wrong about QC, he wasn't wrong about Antonio, he was wasn't wrong to bring in an experienced CB when the roster begged one.....no Parcells is a certified genius, and we are all supposed to get down on our knees and be thankful that he graced the Cowboy sideline with his mystical precense.
rcaldw
01-02-2005, 11:19 PM
I didn't quite understand your post because it doesn't exactly follow a grammatical pattern.
Are you saying "we've heard that Parcells speak before"? I assume that's what you meant.
To which I would respond: "So tell me what information you can give that would counter what Parcells says about Henson not being ready?"
I would assume that if you have some inside information or maybe have observed a practice involving Henson then you can give me some insight into how he's ready now.
Other than that, you're just spouting your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions? They're like, er, pieholes, everyone has one. ;)
Yes, that is what I meant. I meant, we have heard Parcells give us that point of view before. I don't buy into it.
The bottom line is that it is my opinion, but not just my opinion, and there is no sense going over all that again. I have already done it several times over the past few weeks.
Tonight just capped it for me. 16 straight weeks playing a 42 year old QB when we have been eliminated from playoff contention for what, at least 3 weeks now?
You know what is equally frustrating for me though? How so many just lap up the Parcell's nonsense.
Tell me WHY you mention how good Henson looked running scout team? He had his best week of practice. Tell me why you even mention that? Tell me why you say that the difference between what you were doing with Romo two weeks ago, and what you had done previously with Henson is that you are '"going into this game with a different mindset"? In other words, "I'm REALLY thinking about playing the young guy this week." And then, when VT stinks it up all game long, including an endzone interception Romo stays on the bench the entire time?
Why even go through the nonsense in your press conferences? Why not just say VT is going to play come hail or high water? Because that was the TRUTH all along.
And you guys take all this in like he is being sincere and honest?
I grant you, I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but I can't imagine how anybody but Parcell's momma couldn't see that some of what he has done this year is strange.
Waffle
01-02-2005, 11:20 PM
Who said Parcells did a great job or even a good job? :confused:
I wouldn't call this his best coaching job, but I'm a long-term man myself. The Cowboys just aren't where they need to be to contend for the playoffs.
This team, even with its lack of talent, took a step back. However, I like what I see in Witten, Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, Roy Williams and an improved Terrance Newman. Plus, Greg Ellis is pretty consistent.
We need a few more pieces, but they will come. So even in a disappointing year record-wise, I'm encouraged.Again Tyke, you are the "Voice of Reason" when it comes to this debate.
Rcaldw, I don't think anyone has said Parcells' coaching job this season was awesome. However, one shouldn't advocate firing a Hall of Fame coach over one sub-par coaching season either! Good grief!!! :banghead:
Eskimo
01-02-2005, 11:23 PM
I wouldn't call this his best coaching job, but I'm a long-term man myself. The Cowboys just aren't where they need to be to contend for the playoffs.
Well according to all the Zimmer apologists he is a fine D coordinator, he just hasn't been given any talent to work with. Parcells has had two years to bring in some talent on the defensive side of the ball. What great talent has he brought in during his stay here?
Nobody? Maybe Terrence Newman on one of his good days?
That's what I thought.
Parcells isn't going to turn this team around - not in the short-term and not in the long-term. I wish I was wrong, but I'm not.
Mr Cowboy
01-02-2005, 11:25 PM
No, we wouldnt have had a better record! When the season started Vinny gave us the best shot at getting into the playoffs. And dont give me that bull that we knew we were out at mid season. We were in it up till about 3 weeks ago. Romo and Henson, are NOT ready. Let me repeat NOT READY. I know your gonna say, well we lost anyways.. Lets loose with them. You cant do that to the rest of the team. SOME of those guys fight and work their butts off to WIN games. What kind of message are you sending the team when you put 2 guys in that dont have any chance of winning games in?
I know Vinny has looked bad this year. I know... But there are MANY more areas that need work before you place blame on him or Parcells. I do agree that Zimmer has really laid a fat one this year. If the defense had even been middle of the pack, and we hadnt had Glenn, and Jones go down early wed be in the playoffs and we wouldnt have anything to argue about on here.
BullSh%$! I don't buy this crap that it's not fair to the rest of the team. What if Vinny had gotten a serious injury. Would they have quit playing. Their job is to play hard and try to win, no matter who is playing QB or any other position. Did you see the Giants quit playing after they put Eli in. How about when Strahan went down?
Furthermore, next year BP will have to play one of the young guys at QB. Will this indidcate to the rest of the team that he is giving up on the season? That's why he should have played them this year. To get the growing pains out of the way, like the Giants did. All he did was postpone the young guys struggles until next year.
Hoods
01-02-2005, 11:28 PM
Yup a quarterback who hasn't played in four years is best to rot away for yet another year...meaning that he will now be almost FIVE years away from football come next fall....and guess what.....a year after that....it will be six...and on and on we go.....Parcells has had ample opportunity, if not to play him an entire game, give him a series or two each week with plays Henson is comfortable with...instead he leaves our ancient qb to throw pick after pick and lose four more games than we won.....yet he gives the team the best chance to win....make no mistake, this was a stubborn old coach, who could not stand the media and the fans telling his holiness how to coach his football team. The GREAT PARCELLS is never wrong..he wasn't wrong about QC, he wasn't wrong about Antonio, he was wasn't wrong to bring in an experienced CB when the roster begged one.....no Parcells is a certified genius, and we are all supposed to get down on our knees and be thankful that he graced the Cowboy sideline with his mystical precense.I guess you figure Henson isn't learning and practicing during the week. He's just sitting at home, on his coach. Did you even read what I wrote? Your assessment alone that he's "rotting away" loses any credibility to your post.
rcaldw
01-02-2005, 11:28 PM
Again Tyke, you are the "Voice of Reason" when it comes to this debate.
Rcaldw, I don't think anyone has said Parcells' coaching job this season was awesome. However, one shouldn't advocate firing a Hall of Fame coach over one sub-par coaching season either! Good grief!!! :banghead:
Cmon Waff, put it in context. I never said, not even weeks ago, that Parcells should be fired because of his coaching ability. I don't mind saying again what I believe would constitute a legitimate reason to fire him.
If Jerry Jones believes that this team needed to give Henson playing time this year, and Parcells stubbornly continued to stick with a 42 year old QB. In other words, if Parcells demonstrates that he doesn't give a rip about where the Cowboys are after his time with us is done, then why in the world would you want to keep him?
Do you want to keep a guy who is selfishly coaching for his own legacy, his own ego, EVEN IF HE IS A HALL OF FAMER? If you own a football team wouldn't you want a coach who also wants to develop your team for the future?
Hasn't Parcells said it himself? "I'm too old to lose". Is that the coach who will develop your next QB? Nope.
So, if you want a 1 year wonder team, keep him. If you want a future, fire him.
Let me put it one final way. If I thought that Parcells was committed to the future of the Dallas Cowboys, then there is no way you fire him. He has proven himself to be a very good football coach. (No, I don't put him on the genius level and in some ways I think he is overrated.)
So, its not about a one year performance, its about what I perceive to be a disregard for the future at the QB position.
Dave_in-NC
01-02-2005, 11:31 PM
Cmon Waff, put it in context. I never said, not even weeks ago, that Parcells should be fired because of his coaching ability. I don't mind saying again what I believe would constitute a legitimate reason to fire him.
If Jerry Jones believes that this team needed to give Henson playing time this year, and Parcells stubbornly continued to stick with a 42 year old QB. In other words, if Parcells demonstrates that he doesn't give a rip about where the Cowboys are after his time with us is done, then why in the world would you want to keep him?
Do you want to keep a guy who is selfishly coaching for his own legacy, his own ego, EVEN IF HE IS A HALL OF FAMER? If you own a football team wouldn't you want a coach who also wants to develop your team for the future?
Hasn't Parcells said it himself? "I'm too old to lose". Is that the coach who will develop your next QB? Nope.
So, if you want a 1 year wonder team, keep him. If you want a future, fire him.
Let me put it one final way. If I thought that Parcells was committed to the future of the Dallas Cowboys, then there is no way you fire him. He has proven himself to be a very good football coach. (No, I don't put him on the genius level and in some ways I think he is overrated.)
So, its not about a one year performance, its about what I perceive to be a disregard for the future at the QB position.
Did you not see Jones say during the game HE wants VT to return?
Why is it all Parcells? If Henson has a shot at starting wouldnt it be wise to keep VT as a back up/mentor? Just wondering.
Waffle
01-02-2005, 11:34 PM
Cmon Waff, put it in context. I never said, not even weeks ago, that Parcells should be fired because of his coaching ability. I don't mind saying again what I believe would constitute a legitimate reason to fire him.
If Jerry Jones believes that this team needed to give Henson playing time this year, and Parcells stubbornly continued to stick with a 42 year old QB. In other words, if Parcells demonstrates that he doesn't give a rip about where the Cowboys are after his time with us is done, then why in the world would you want to keep him?
Do you want to keep a guy who is selfishly coaching for his own legacy, his own ego, EVEN IF HE IS A HALL OF FAMER? If you own a football team wouldn't you want a coach who also wants to develop your team for the future?
Hasn't Parcells said it himself? "I'm too old to lose". Is that the coach who will develop your next QB? Nope.
So, if you want a 1 year wonder team, keep him. If you want a future, fire him.
Let me put it one final way. If I thought that Parcells was committed to the future of the Dallas Cowboys, then there is no way you fire him. He has proven himself to be a very good football coach. (No, I don't put him on the genius level and in some ways I think he is overrated.)
So, its not about a one year performance, its about what I perceive to be a disregard for the future at the QB position.
R, with all due respect...WHY IS IT ALWAYS ABOUT DREW HENSON?? :banghead:
This isn't the "Drew Henson Cowboys." I understand your frustration, but not playing Drew Henson as much as you like, in a year he wasn't even supposed to see the field I might add, doesn't make Parcells a pink slip candidate!!
rcaldw
01-02-2005, 11:37 PM
Did you not see Jones say during the game HE wants VT to return?
Why is it all Parcells? If Henson has a shot at starting wouldnt it be wise to keep VT as a back up/mentor? Just wondering.
Dave, did you think Jerry looked comfortable or happy during that interview? I for one don't buy into the idea that Jerry is a VT backer. We will see, but I think Jerry is just backing up his coach on this one for the time being. The off season will tell the story.
To answer your other question. If Vinny would stay and if Parcells would actually do it, I would LOVE to see VT backup Henson and be a mentor to him. I think VT is a class act the whole way. The problem is, I don't think BP could bring himself to leave VT on the bench.
Dave_in-NC
01-02-2005, 11:41 PM
Dave, did you think Jerry looked comfortable or happy during that interview? I for one don't buy into the idea that Jerry is a VT backer. We will see, but I think Jerry is just backing up his coach on this one for the time being. The off season will tell the story.
To answer your other question. If Vinny would stay and if Parcells would actually do it, I would LOVE to see VT backup Henson and be a mentor to him. I think VT is a class act the whole way. The problem is, I don't think BP could bring himself to leave VT on the bench.
I think Parcells could make VT a back up. Parcells making comments about playing the young guys with better talent around them is what gives me hope.
You play Henson tonight with our line he gets his neck broke. As bad and beat up the Giants are, they are still better than us. As is most teams we have played.
Get the line straight and Parcells will play Henson or Romo no problem.
rcaldw
01-02-2005, 11:45 PM
R, with all due respect...WHY IS IT ALWAYS ABOUT DREW HENSON?? :banghead:
This isn't the "Drew Henson Cowboys." I understand your frustration, but not playing Drew Henson as much as you like, in a year he wasn't even supposed to see the field I might add, doesn't make Parcells a pink slip candidate!!
I agree with you about it not being the Drew Henson Cowboys. And probably like you, I have been a Cowboys fan for a long, long time.
I just think that Henson represents the best chance we have, on our current roster, of a young guy who could be the "next guy". I don't claim to be a QB guru, I truly don't think that way. But I'm telling the truth when I say that when I saw Staubach play you could tell he had major league skills. When I saw Aikman play, you could see he had major league skills. And I'm telling the truth when I say that I was committed to both of those guys before they "made it". I was just as fervent in my support for Aikman when Skip Bayless kept publicly questioning whether he could ever win a big game. You just had a feeling that he would shut them all up.
For some reason I have that same feeling about Henson. I might be dead wrong, but I really think that he might be the next franchise guy for us.
At the same time, I really don't think Parcells is a great judge of QB's. I think he is a great judge of RB's and LB's. He has proven that again and again. But I don't think he is a great judge of QB's. His press conferences are even telling in this regard. His last one who does he mention as a guy he had his eye on? Jake Delhomme!!!!!! Now, granted, Delhomme has surprised and over achieved, but is he a Staubach or Aikman? No way.
So, that is why I'm stuck on the Henson idea, and that is why this has been very frustrating. As much as I respect Parcells in other areas I really think this is a night mare in terms of our future at QB.
Waffle
01-02-2005, 11:51 PM
I agree with you about it not being the Drew Henson Cowboys. And probably like you, I have been a Cowboys fan for a long, long time.
I just think that Henson represents the best chance we have, on our current roster, of a young guy who could be the "next guy". I don't claim to be a QB guru, I truly don't think that way. But I'm telling the truth when I say that when I saw Staubach play you could tell he had major league skills. When I saw Aikman play, you could see he had major league skills. And I'm telling the truth when I say that I was committed to both of those guys before they "made it". I was just as fervent in my support for Aikman when Skip Bayless kept publicly questioning whether he could ever win a big game. You just had a feeling that he would shut them all up.
For some reason I have that same feeling about Henson. I might be dead wrong, but I really think that he might be the next franchise guy for us.
At the same time, I really don't think Parcells is a great judge of QB's. I think he is a great judge of RB's and LB's. He has proven that again and again. But I don't think he is a great judge of QB's. His press conferences are even telling in this regard. His last one who does he mention as a guy he had his eye on? Jake Delhomme!!!!!! Now, granted, Delhomme has surprised and over achieved, but is he a Staubach or Aikman? No way.
So, that is why I'm stuck on the Henson idea, and that is why this has been very frustrating. As much as I respect Parcells in other areas I really think this is a night mare in terms of our future at QB.
I agree that the jury is still out on Parcells being a great QB judge here at Dallas. But I must remind you that the verdict is already IN concerning Jerry's QB judgement...and he's guilty on all counts!! Let's give Parcells more time to iron the QB situation out before returning the job back to Jerry, who has failed miserably at the task.
mr.jameswoods
01-02-2005, 11:54 PM
No, we wouldnt have had a better record! When the season started Vinny gave us the best shot at getting into the playoffs. And dont give me that bull that we knew we were out at mid season. We were in it up till about 3 weeks ago. Romo and Henson, are NOT ready. Let me repeat NOT READY. I know your gonna say, well we lost anyways.. Lets loose with them. You cant do that to the rest of the team. SOME of those guys fight and work their butts off to WIN games. What kind of message are you sending the team when you put 2 guys in that dont have any chance of winning games in?
I know Vinny has looked bad this year. I know... But there are MANY more areas that need work before you place blame on him or Parcells. I do agree that Zimmer has really laid a fat one this year. If the defense had even been middle of the pack, and we hadnt had Glenn, and Jones go down early wed be in the playoffs and we wouldnt have anything to argue about on here.
But we knew all of this before the season starterd. If you know that Romo and Henson are not ready then you better have a backup who is ready. Parcells gambled and did nothing about replacing the loss of Quincy Carter. If you are going to cut Quincy Carter then you better have a quality backup like him who can come in and start should something go wrong with a 41 year old starter. Bill just gambled and it didn't pay off. I'm not a Carter fan but even I'm not stupid enough to cut him when we lack depth at QB.
Chuck 54
01-03-2005, 04:51 AM
Go ahead fellas, tell us what in the world we gained by playing Testaverde in these meaningless games? Tell me what it gained us tonight?
And no matter what garbage you offer up to convince us, just remember this. The rookie QB who beat us tonight and looked so good doing it looked like garbage 7 weeks ago. And he looked like garbage for about 4 straight weeks. The difference? His coach put him in, left him in and playing makes QB's better.
Go ahead and spew all the Parcells bull corn that we hear every week.
....the boxer analogies
....the "you can lose the player" talk
....the "some guys aren't ready yet"
yada, yada, yada, yada.
Plain and simple, this approach was stupidity and nothing but a testimony to his hopeless ego and legendary stubbornness.
Disgusting. May we be blessed with a retirement announcement in a week, Parcells or Testaverde, I don't care, please just rescue THIS Cowboys fan from a situation that just won't die.
and let's not forget that Eli beat us without Toomer or Shockey....shocking.
Rack Bauer
01-03-2005, 05:00 AM
and let's not forget that Eli beat us without Toomer or Shockey....shocking.
I wasn't impressed with Eli. He continually kept on eyeballing his WRs, but our dumba** Zimmer coached defense didn't pick it up. He got two cheap TDs against us, and on the other one he eyeballed the TE all the way but our poorly coached defense just sat back and did nothing.
He didn't do anything on their game winning drive. He threw like 2 passes, and the only reason any of them got yards was cuz of the YAC.
If you look at the statline it looks like he did great, but that's really not the case. If you watched the game you'd know it wasn't a case of good QB play, but a case of extremely bad defensive play.
Heisenberg
01-03-2005, 05:11 AM
I think Hoods is my hero. Everything I think and wish I could say, he says it. I love you man! :D
Sarge
01-03-2005, 05:14 AM
The funny thing is .. I doubt you make this post.. if we win.. and/or Eli looks bad.. ..
That's JUST IT - we didn't win and we did get beat by a rookie QB who is getting better and better each passing week.
Why?
Because he is getting PT.
StanleySpadowski
01-03-2005, 06:41 AM
What I find odd is that team's like San Diego figured a way to get their rookie QB's in the last game to get a little game time experience.
If a few negative experiences in limited duty can ruin a young QB, than we might as well give up on Henson. He took some snaps this season, he's done for.
Manning didn't look great last night but compare him to the QB we saw in his first start and then try to argue that Henson or Romo shouldn't have been the opportunity.
Juke99
01-03-2005, 06:55 AM
I'm a Parcells fan and I always will be. I'm glad he will be our coach next season. But even i can admit he did a lousy job this year. Sorry but I think it's rather silly for one to defend the job Parcells did this year. It's fairly obvious, he had a bad year. From his inactivity in free agency to his failure to start Lee over E. George early in the season to the more obvious blunder of Vinny starting late in the season when it was obvious his game was off. Parcells made many poor decisions this year.
But hey, even the greats have a bad season every now and then. Parcells is a smart guy. As stubborn as he is, the guy is intelligent. He may not admit to the media that he made mistakes this year but he is going to have a long off-season to reflect upon his mistakes.
Well done from a Parcells supporter...
:bravo:
My biggest concern is that he seems to have become a caricature of himself....this stubborn reliance on veteran players at the expense of youth and athleticism is going to be a problem....see D Ward vs P Crayton.
We'll see if he changes his tune next year...
chinch
01-03-2005, 08:59 AM
I wasn't impressed with Eli. He continually kept on eyeballing his WRs, but our dumba** Zimmer coached defense didn't pick it up. He got two cheap TDs against us, and on the other one he eyeballed the TE all the way but our poorly coached defense just sat back and did nothing.
Yup. That entire drive he locked onto that one WR (don't know his name) the entire drive and same for the TD to the TE. It was clear as day thanks to hdtv and a large screen.
Problem was our secondary was out of position and didn't compensate. Ryan Leaf could have run that drive against our defense.
Oh_Canada
01-03-2005, 12:28 PM
I guess you figure Henson isn't learning and practicing during the week. He's just sitting at home, on his coach. Did you even read what I wrote? Your assessment alone that he's "rotting away" loses any credibility to your post.
You argument for not playing was that he has not played in four years....so when will it become o.k exactly? Practicing is one thing, but in order for a QB to truly improve he must see game-action against a real-live defense trying to make him look very bad.
This whole notion about bringing a qb along alowly in order to avoid losing confidence is utter non-sense. If a young qb has what it takes, he will blossom no matter how bad he plays early on.
Do you know what John Elway's numbers were in his rookie season?...try dismal. Peyton Manning lost 13 games and threw 28 picks....Troy Aikman had a qb rating of 55.7.
Once again, I can understand (sort of) not starting Henson when the team might still had an opportunity to make the playoffs, but this team was eliminated the moment they lost against Seattle and Henson has done nothing but watch on the sideline instead of getting some kind of meaningful game action and that is a major mistake.
rcaldw
01-03-2005, 12:31 PM
I think if you don't give Eli any credit for last night's performance you just don't want to see it. The pass he threw to the tight end was perfectly placed, the little side arm throw that he made at the end of the game was nothing but ad lib, and it worked.
Hey, I'm the one arguing here that Testaverde should have been sat down at least 3 weeks ago, and I can say that he played a very good game last night.
And I think that may be the most frustrating part of all. Its like the Parcells apologists don't even hear what you are saying.
"Do you think that Henson or Romo could do better?"
"Where would the Cowboys be without Testaverde, they might not have won 2 games"
"These young guys just aren't ready, Testaverde is the only NFL ready QB on the roster, he gives us the best chance to win."
"Testaverde doesn't throw the ball like a 42 year old, he still has strong legs"
And on and on it goes.
I, for one, have never said that Testaverde can't throw a football.
I'm saying we have a 42 year old QB, with a career .433 winning pct, that INCLUDES THE TIME WHEN HE STILL HAD A FUTURE. Is he suddenly going to blossom at 42??
We have a young guy in Henson, at least, who has football people (like Ron Wolf, like Randy Mueller) who say that he has all the tools to be a franchise QB. I believe my own eyes, and in the brief time we got to actually see it you could see some flashes of that potential.
Now, with 3 games left in the season, when we have been eliminated from the playoffs, the guy DOESN'T EVEN SEE THE FIELD.
That is smart? I'll never buy it.
And don't tell me, "well we have all these other players here who want to win".
Did San Diego have those players when Philip Rivers played yesterday?
Did Green Bay have those players when Craig Nall played yesterday?
Did Atlanta have those players when Schaub played yesterday?
Did the New York Giants have those players when Eli manning started on a 5-4 team over Kurt Warner?
Did the Cincinatti Bengals have those players when Palmer got the call over Kitna this year?
On and on we could go.
So at least engage the real argument. Forget the empty stuff I've mentioned above. I was NEVER under the impression that any of the things could be accomplished that the Parcells apologists continually throw out.
This is about committing to and developing a young QB.
Oh yea, one last thing. When you finally engage the real argument you are only left with a few possibilities, in my opinion.
1. Parcells doesn't believe that Henson or Romo will ever make it. If he has come to that conclusion already, then I think it has to do with his own short term focus. That is, they would never make it in HIS time frame.
2. Parcells really believes what he tells us every week. He is "protecting" these kids. If that is the case, then I go to my original point, I don't think Parcells has ever proven himself to be a good judge of, or good developer of QB's.
3. Parcells is egotistical and stubborn and dug his heels in on the QB issue. If this is the case I think he does it partially believing number 2, but using number 2 to really give way to the driving issue, he will prove that it has to be done his way.
Of these three, I lean toward 1 or 3, and neither one looks encouraging to me.
Doomsday101
01-03-2005, 12:32 PM
You argument for not playing was that he has not played in four years....so when will it become o.k exactly? Practicing is one thing, but in order for a QB to truly improve he must see game-action against a real-live defense trying to make him look very bad.
This whole notion about bringing a qb along alowly in order to avoid losing confidence is utter non-sense. If a young qb has what it takes, he will blossom no matter how bad he plays early on.
Do you know what John Elway's numbers were in his rookie season?...try dismal. Peyton Manning lost 13 games and threw 28 picks....Troy Aikman had a qb rating of 55.7.
Once again, I can understand (sort of) not starting Henson when the team might still had an opportunity to make the playoffs, but this team was eliminated the moment they lost against Seattle and Henson has done nothing but watch on the sideline instead of getting some kind of meaningful game action and that is a major mistake.
None of those QB's where away from the game. Parcells knows what he is doing.
wileedog
01-03-2005, 12:32 PM
Do you know what John Elway's numbers were in his rookie season?...try dismal. Peyton Manning lost 13 games and threw 28 picks....Troy Aikman had a qb rating of 55.7.
You are talking about 3 guaranteed first ballot HOF QBs who did not have 3 year layoff before they came into the league. If those guys could only manage the "dismal" numbers you describe, what do you think would have happened to Henson?
Again, if it were me I would have played him. But I understand the need for caution in Drew's case, and the patient approach Bill is taking with him. Another full offseason with the team will do more for him than a few meaningless games getting his head bashed in anyway.
I don't think it qualifies as a "major mistake", especially when *none* of us truly knows what's going on in practice.
Oh_Canada
01-03-2005, 12:35 PM
None of those QB's where away from the game. Parcells knows what he is doing.
Really...Quincy Morgan for AB.
If the layoff was the reason why did he bother playing him at all this season?
Doomsday101
01-03-2005, 12:38 PM
Really...Quincy Morgan for AB.
If the layoff was the reason why did he bother playing him at all this season?
Turning around the Giants, the Pats and the Jets. Yes he does know what he is doing. Does that mean every move he makes will work out? no but no other coach can make that claim either.
wileedog
01-03-2005, 12:40 PM
2. Parcells really believes what he tells us every week. He is "protecting" these kids. If that is the case, then I go to my original point, I don't think Parcells has ever proven himself to be a good judge of, or good developer of QB's.
Yeah, that Bledsoe guy was awful. Simms too. Pennington is an obvious bust.
I think Parcells is protecting Henson from going in too soon, before he is ready.
He's protecting them from the media who will label Henson a bust when he struggles, and from the fans who will be crying we need to draft another QB if Henson struggled. Remember, this kid came in with almost as much hype as a normal #1 draft pick.
Parcells wants to improve the team around Henson, and give him the best chance to succeed, without the added pressure of the media and fans.
Am I right? I have no idea, but its at least as plausible as any of your options.
rcaldw
01-03-2005, 12:48 PM
Yeah, that Bledsoe guy was awful. Simms too. Pennington is an obvious bust.
I think Parcells is protecting Henson from going in too soon, before he is ready.
He's protecting them from the media who will label Henson a bust when he struggles, and from the fans who will be crying we need to draft another QB if Henson struggled. Remember, this kid came in with almost as much hype as a normal #1 draft pick.
Parcells wants to improve the team around Henson, and give him the best chance to succeed, without the added pressure of the media and fans.
Am I right? I have no idea, but its at least as plausible as any of your options.
Bledsoe is the only legitimate one you raise, and he wasn't drafted by Parcells. Simms got jockeyed around with the likes of Scott Bruner and Jeff Hostetler for years, and Pennington never played a down under Parcells. Bledsoe was someone he HAD to play given the way things came down draft wise.
So, in my mind that proves nothing about Parcell's ability to work with QB's.
Doomsday101
01-03-2005, 12:50 PM
Bledsoe is the only legitimate one you raise, and he wasn't drafted by Parcells. Simms got jockeyed around with the likes of Scott Bruner and Jeff Hostetler for years, and Pennington never played a down under Parcells. Bledsoe was someone he HAD to play given the way things came down draft wise.
So, in my mind that proves nothing about Parcell's ability to work with QB's.
But you know what is best for Henson?
rcaldw
01-03-2005, 12:54 PM
But you know what is best for Henson?
This is the one I forgot in my list, Doomsday, the final nail in the coffin for anyone who dares to question Parcells. "are you a hall of fame coach?"
No, I'm not, and no, I don't know better. So, be comforted, that must mean that Bill is right.
Gil Lebraton, who must be a moron like I am, wrote a pretty good article representing the views of all us morons in the FWST.
It is called, "Eli has arrived but Henson sits again"
wileedog
01-03-2005, 12:55 PM
Bledsoe is the only legitimate one you raise, and he wasn't drafted by Parcells. Simms got jockeyed around with the likes of Scott Bruner and Jeff Hostetler for years, and Pennington never played a down under Parcells. Bledsoe was someone he HAD to play given the way things came down draft wise.
So, in my mind that proves nothing about Parcell's ability to work with QB's.
You said judge and develop.
Parcells may have jockeyed Phil around at first (just like Jimmy wanted Walsh over Aikman), but who ultimately developed Sims?
Parcells didn't draft Bledsoe, but he did directly develop him, no?
He didn't develop Pennington, but he did draft him right?
He judged and/or developed 3 quality QBs.
Thats a lot more than most coaches ever do.
wileedog
01-03-2005, 12:56 PM
Gil Lebraton, who must be a moron like I am, wrote a pretty good article representing the views of all us morons in the FWST.
It is called, "Eli has arrived but Henson sits again"
He is a complete moron. Seriously.
And I'd take your opinion over his anyday.
kojak
01-03-2005, 01:07 PM
You can't compare what Eli has done this year as being a starter when it comes to Bill starting Henson.
Eli has been groomed from day one to be a QB.
OLDSCHOOL
01-03-2005, 01:23 PM
Really, who cares? You are talking about a Guy who's older brother is the MVP of the league 2 yrs in a row, and who's father was a pretty good QB on a sorry team. The kid has QB in his genes.
Also he has played QB every year with no breaks. He out played Carr and Harrington in their first seasons, granted he had more to work with than they did as rookies. But the kid has been groomed to be a QB since Day one by his father Archie. The other brother that played receiver could have and should have been a QB, and I believed he did play it once upon a time growing up, he just wanted to take a different route than his Father.
But Peyton and Eli stayed true to the QB heritage. Henson is nothing like Eli, in no form aor fashion. They are totally different, Henson can't touch Eli.
Outlaw Heroes
01-03-2005, 01:28 PM
Henson can't touch Eli.
I have to disagree. In terms of pure talent, Henson is well ahead of Eli. Better arm strength and accuracy, and smarter too. Eli had two advantages over Henson: his name, and the fact that he played the past three seasons. But, handled correctly, I like Henson's chances of being a better pro.
cowboy4life
01-03-2005, 01:30 PM
Cmon Waff, put it in context. I never said, not even weeks ago, that Parcells should be fired because of his coaching ability. I don't mind saying again what I believe would constitute a legitimate reason to fire him.
If Jerry Jones believes that this team needed to give Henson playing time this year, and Parcells stubbornly continued to stick with a 42 year old QB. In other words, if Parcells demonstrates that he doesn't give a rip about where the Cowboys are after his time with us is done, then why in the world would you want to keep him?
Do you want to keep a guy who is selfishly coaching for his own legacy, his own ego, EVEN IF HE IS A HALL OF FAMER? If you own a football team wouldn't you want a coach who also wants to develop your team for the future?
Hasn't Parcells said it himself? "I'm too old to lose". Is that the coach who will develop your next QB? Nope.
So, if you want a 1 year wonder team, keep him. If you want a future, fire him.
Let me put it one final way. If I thought that Parcells was committed to the future of the Dallas Cowboys, then there is no way you fire him. He has proven himself to be a very good football coach. (No, I don't put him on the genius level and in some ways I think he is overrated.)
So, its not about a one year performance, its about what I perceive to be a disregard for the future at the QB position.
Maybe none of these guys are the future. We played the game with the deck that we had. This offseason we'll change the deck.
cowboy4life
01-03-2005, 01:43 PM
But we knew all of this before the season starterd. If you know that Romo and Henson are not ready then you better have a backup who is ready. Parcells gambled and did nothing about replacing the loss of Quincy Carter. If you are going to cut Quincy Carter then you better have a quality backup like him who can come in and start should something go wrong with a 41 year old starter. Bill just gambled and it didn't pay off. I'm not a Carter fan but even I'm not stupid enough to cut him when we lack depth at QB.
Sometimes you have to think more of the team than an individual player. As much as I thought that Carter was going to take the next step, he was released. Failed drug test, unable to handle any sort of competition for the job, poor atitude, whatever. You are not going to find a quality starting quarterback sitting on the couch after training camp starts. The plane was to have two bridges to Romo and Henson; Carter starting, Vinnie backing him up and mentoring Romo and Henson. That didn't work out.
I'm hoping we actually draft a quarterback that played college football last year.
The30YardSlant
01-03-2005, 01:44 PM
I have to disagree. In terms of pure talent, Henson is well ahead of Eli. Better arm strength and accuracy, and smarter too. Eli had two advantages over Henson: his name, and the fact that he played the past three seasons. But, handled correctly, I like Henson's chances of being a better pro.
I agree, talent wise Henson is matched by very few.
cowboy4life
01-03-2005, 01:48 PM
You argument for not playing was that he has not played in four years....so when will it become o.k exactly? Practicing is one thing, but in order for a QB to truly improve he must see game-action against a real-live defense trying to make him look very bad.
This whole notion about bringing a qb along alowly in order to avoid losing confidence is utter non-sense. If a young qb has what it takes, he will blossom no matter how bad he plays early on.
Do you know what John Elway's numbers were in his rookie season?...try dismal. Peyton Manning lost 13 games and threw 28 picks....Troy Aikman had a qb rating of 55.7.
Once again, I can understand (sort of) not starting Henson when the team might still had an opportunity to make the playoffs, but this team was eliminated the moment they lost against Seattle and Henson has done nothing but watch on the sideline instead of getting some kind of meaningful game action and that is a major mistake.
Didn't we beat Seattle?
cowboy4life
01-03-2005, 01:57 PM
Bledsoe is the only legitimate one you raise, and he wasn't drafted by Parcells. Simms got jockeyed around with the likes of Scott Bruner and Jeff Hostetler for years, and Pennington never played a down under Parcells. Bledsoe was someone he HAD to play given the way things came down draft wise.
So, in my mind that proves nothing about Parcell's ability to work with QB's.
Parcells was the general manager of the New York Jets in 2000. He drafted Pennington.
Doomsday101
01-03-2005, 02:13 PM
This is the one I forgot in my list, Doomsday, the final nail in the coffin for anyone who dares to question Parcells. "are you a hall of fame coach?"
No, I'm not, and no, I don't know better. So, be comforted, that must mean that Bill is right.
Gil Lebraton, who must be a moron like I am, wrote a pretty good article representing the views of all us morons in the FWST.
It is called, "Eli has arrived but Henson sits again"
I'm not saying that people don't have a right to question Parcells just many comments go over the top as if the writer is so much more informed with what is going on. Eli situation is much different than that of Henson, Parcells may have been better off telling the media and fans at the get go that Henson would spend this year learning and getting acclimated to the NFL and would not play however I do not think he ever wanted to take the carrot out of Henson sights so that he would continue to always be preparing to go into the game. Lastly I have called no one a moron, only thing I'm talking about it making a decision based on information which we as fans do not have regarding Henson and where he is at, at this stage.
Eskimo
01-03-2005, 03:53 PM
I'm hoping we actually draft a quarterback that played college football last year.
If you're talking about bringing in someone to replace Romo then fair enough. I don't think Romo's got what it takes and wouldn't mind developing a #3 QB behind Henson.
jobberone
01-03-2005, 04:03 PM
Sorry, we've heard that Parcell's speak before too Tyke. Not buying it. You know what is fitting. It was a ROOKIE QB THAT KICKED PARCELL'S BUTT TONIGHT. That is perfect.
Any decent QB with decent receivers can put some points on the board with no pass rush and plenty of time to throw.
Manning is a decent QB with a huge knowledge base. You can't compare him to anyone else in the league as a rookie QB. Roth*** might be as good but hasn't been around football like Eli.
We beat ourselves as mush as Manning did.
VT actually had a very good game. Blame the defense.
Henson and Romo and whoever else will get their chance to dethrone Vinnie if he comes back next year.
Thinking Henson or Romo would be a QB savior next year IF we had played them this year is subjective.
My opinion is both need more time.
This conversation wouldn't even be occuring if we had won two or more games which was very doable.
QB is not the major problem this team has.
Waffle
01-03-2005, 05:41 PM
If you're talking about bringing in someone to replace Romo then fair enough. I don't think Romo's got what it takes and wouldn't mind developing a #3 QB behind Henson.This is the entire problem. Why wouldn't you mind developing a #1 that isn't Henson?
While I can see your frustration with Parcells and his loyality to Vinny this season over the younger guys, it just seems to me that you and Rcaldw are in total tunnel vision mode when it comes to Drew Henson and the QB position. It's like you both (and some others I might add) have already by default annointed Drew Henson, and only Henson as the bona fide Cowboy's QB of the future. Yet you've only seen him play in a little over ONE HALF of NFL football and have completely written Tony Romo off just because he wasn't drafted. I can bet you've never seen either of them in a single practice or running the scout team. Even the media isn't allowed to see that. There is absolutely no reason to suggest that other potential future Cowboy QBs should be ignored (FA or draft) just because we have Drew Henson on our roster.
I think the media hype surrounding Henson is very similar to that of Chad Hutchinson. Remember him? All the media pundits were saying "Hutchinson would have been a first rounder had he stayed at Stanford and declined baseball, blah, blah, blah." "Big guy with a strong arm." "He can make all the throws." "Accurate." "Good insurance if Quincy falters."
Heard it all before fellas.
I'm not saying that Henson is a Hutch replica...only that we must weigh all QB options to lead this team into the future, not just blindly crown Drew Henson "The Future" just because Jerry has praised him on several occasions, or because it was reported that Ron Wolf raved about him at training camp. Big Deal. Scouts salivated over QBs like Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, and David Klingler when they came out of college too. :rolleyes:
Please just keep an open mind about the team's QB future. If you choose to criticize Parcells over not playing Romo or Henson at the end of this season, that is your right. But just because there is another faction of us that agree with the way Parcells is carefully handling Drew Henson (and Romo), that doesn't make us "Parcells Apologists."
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