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boysfanindc
01-03-2005, 11:20 AM
One of the things I heard the broadcast crew say last night after speaking with BP, was that they said BP said there were nine things they needed to do in the off season.

According to the crew they said BP said that he thought those 9 things were totally doable. This confirms what BP has been saying that he know what he has and knows what he needs.

So anyone want to take a guess on what those 9 things might be? Here is my shot at it.

1) Bringing VT back, this is not mine they said last night it was BP's. So it must be one of the nine.

2) Find another rb who can spell JJ a couple of series a game. This again was one of BP's. Maybe with the 4th rd pick or a mid priced FA.

3) Find a CB, it sounds if they are not going to spend a high pick on this, so IMO this will be done in free agency. From the likes of Smoot, Lucas, Baxter, Baumen, Dyson, Hill or Brian or Jimmy Williams.

4) Find a DT, IMO this will be either Ferguson or Pat Williams.

5) Find a FS, Brodney Pool should be there in the second round.

6) Find a DE, you could either go the FA route with a guy like Darren Howard or Andre Carter or there are couple of god ones in round one Pollack, Tuck or Cody. The BC end will be long gone.

7) Find an OLB to replace Coakley or Singleton. In the draft a guy like Brooks would be nice and there are several nice ones in free agency.

8) Find an OG, I think we will pick one up in free agency. I would love to see Andruzzi.

9) Find a veteran OT, I don’t think BP likes what he has.

Jersey
01-03-2005, 11:29 AM
I pretty much agree with your position assesment. I'd only add WR to it. I'll be more comforted if he actually meant personel. I was afraid it may be planet alignment, etc.

Eskimo
01-03-2005, 11:30 AM
I don't know what is on his list but we should start with some addition by subtraction:

1. Fire Zimmer

2. Fire Warhop

3. Cut Wiley

4. Cut Coakley

5. Let Dixon walk

6. Trade Larry Allen if there are any available suitors - get a 3rd rounder? He is just too limited athletically at this point and is playing on borrowed time. We will need to move on this position in the near future anyway.

If I could get a couple of feasible things accomplished in FA:

1. Sign Pat Williams

2. Sign Jerry Porter

3. Sign Dwight Smith

4. If Abraham isn't franchised, he is priority #1.

In terms of the draft:

1. If Mike Williams falls to us, that is the first pick because he is the best player in the draft - very similar situation to Irvin in 1988. Irvin was #1 on our board and we got him at #11.

2. Draft best defensive player available whenever we are on the clock otherwise in the first two rounds. There is not a position on D at which we don't have need.

kidcrook
01-03-2005, 11:31 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 new linebackers next season. Dat can play weak side hopefully with two totally new backers replacing Singleton/Shanle, and Coakley.

mr.jameswoods
01-03-2005, 11:54 AM
We also need some receivers because Keyshawn and Glenn are done. They are both getting old and this is getting evident by the injuries they face each year. And I'm not sold on Quincy Morgan as being a savior at WR. We should definitly acquire two receivers who are capable of starting because Key and Glenn can't be counted on to be productive for an entire season.

Eskimo
01-03-2005, 12:06 PM
We also need some receivers because Keyshawn and Glenn are done. They are both getting old and this is getting evident by the injuries they face each year. And I'm not sold on Quincy Morgan as being a savior at WR. We should definitly acquire two receivers who are capable of starting because Key and Glenn can't be counted on to be productive for an entire season.

BP has been going on about "when need meets availability".

Well there are two potential game breakers that could fall into our lap this offseason - Jerry Porter and Mike Williams. Combine those two with Jones and Witten and we've got skill position players on O to match any team in the league. I think there is actual talent on the OL - we just need better coaching.

CanadianCowboysFan
01-03-2005, 12:07 PM
We also need some receivers because Keyshawn and Glenn are done. They are both getting old and this is getting evident by the injuries they face each year. And I'm not sold on Quincy Morgan as being a savior at WR. We should definitly acquire two receivers who are capable of starting because Key and Glenn can't be counted on to be productive for an entire season.

A broken ankle in the last game of the season proves Key is done? I guess the 70 catches in the previous 15 games proved nothing :rolleyes:

Yeagermeister
01-03-2005, 12:10 PM
BP has been going on about "when need meets availability".

Well there are two potential game breakers that could fall into our lap this offseason - Jerry Porter and Mike Williams. Combine those two with Jones and Witten and we've got skill position players on O to match any team in the league. I think there is actual talent on the OL - we just need better coaching.
and a qb to throw the ball to them

Eskimo
01-03-2005, 12:12 PM
and a qb to throw the ball to them

That is a whole separate thread on its own.

I don't agree with what BP/JJ are doing now. They have to make a commitment - either it is to Henson or it is to someone else but we can't go into next season with VT as our #1 QB - that is a recipe for disaster guaranteeing poor results with little potential for improvement in the future.

Trag3344
01-03-2005, 12:14 PM
i say we pick up kitna

Eskimo
01-03-2005, 12:16 PM
i say we pick up kitna

Kitna would be a big upgrade over VT. I think he is under contract, though. Don't know if Bengals will waive him.

wileedog
01-03-2005, 12:26 PM
Kitna would be a big upgrade over VT. I think he is under contract, though. Don't know if Bengals will waive him.

They have no reason to.

Plus Kitna has stated when his contract is up he wants to start, or he will retire. Not sure he would be thrilled with a situation of Drew Henson sitting over his shoulders, and the fans booing (Drewing?) the snot out of him if he has a few bad games....

thor_01
01-03-2005, 12:54 PM
although i agree with a little of all of your sentiments, i am afraid my changes would be even more drastic than some................

i would trade if possible: (attempting to achieve as many #1's and #2's and #3's as possible while these players still hold some value)

Flozell Adams
Larry Allen
Dexter Coakley
Dat Nguyen
Quincy Morgan
Laroi Glover
Greg Ellis (maybe)
Drew Henson
Tony Romo

I would attempt to trade for:

Larry Johnson Running Back with KC

I would be open to all possibillities in Free Agency in order to compliment my draft choices and unfulfilled needs, with these draft choices in mind:

D Anderson /Qb Colorado State 6'6 240lbs, amazing arm and accuracy, good mobility and size, is a Rothlisberger waiting to happen for someone, has carried that team to two consecutive bowl victories and seasons on just his arm as they have never had a running game of any kind, great pocket presence and intelligence, good speed, and works from a pro set ( would be my starting Qb next year, with Testeverde as Back-up)

Trueblood/ Left Tackle Boston College - amazing quicknes, strength and balance and in 3 years gave up 2 sacks while being penalized once

West/ Right Guard North Carolina - amazing size speed, combined with strength and drive, great run blocker as well as pass blocker

Williams/ Wide Reciever No College (due to last years draft screw up)- what we need as a lead reciever to offset what we have now

the number one and two ranked defensive ends whoever they may end up being by the end of the bowl series bound to get a pass rusher out of two tries.

the two biggest defensive tackles available with whatever picks i have available..........

then i would take a long look at my coaching staff, firing Warhop and replacing him with Boston College's Offensive line Coach or Colorado State's whichever i liked best, from there it would depend on how i thought the others would work in my plans for the future verses what is available to replace them, and i would start all over from scratch if i had to, trying not to have to go that far.............

i would then run a training camp that would scare the hell out of Jerry Jones, and be ready by the seasons start to compete this year and SB next year........

MikeD17
01-03-2005, 01:18 PM
9 things parcells needs heres my guess

1. QB Kitna, Carter :)
2. DE Pass Rusher John Abraham, Sean Elliss.
3. DT. Most Likely Drafted.round 1
4. CB Smoot
5. NB Terrell Buckley
6. FB Parcells will look for richie anderson Part 2
7.OT Drafted Round 1
8.OG Free agent
9.S free agent or drafted , someone to replace woodson

ddh33
01-03-2005, 02:12 PM
I won't be quite as specific as some of you by naming names, but I think the weaknesses in this team are pretty obvious to everyone.

1. QB
2. RB help for Julius
3. WR
4. O-Line
5. DT
6. Pass rusher
7. Corner
8. Safety
9. LB would probably be a safe assumption too.

The good news is that Bill is right. These things aren't quite as difficult to fill as some might think. The Boys will have plenty of money to spend, and should be able to do another solid job of drafting.

Ashwynn
01-03-2005, 02:18 PM
I was thinking Parcells had no idea what he was doing, where he was or how he got here. To hear him actually say hes got a plan and has this figured out, well thats good news unless your like me and have come to totally HATE parcells. Now I am so scared that I dont know what to do.

Guess we will just wait and see how this pans out in the off season. But I dont put stock in anything Bill says anymore, and theres no such thing as blind faith anymore either, Show me something Bill, or get the hell out of Dallas.

Hollywood Henderson
01-03-2005, 02:36 PM
OK, lets predict what will be done...
Should we save this thread?

#1 Fire zimmy is the #1 offseason priority
#2 Vet FA signings to provide more depth & talent on the Oline & to start at FS
#3 FA signing at CB...Injury concerns with Hunter and Frazier is a slot cover guy at best...None of the other rookies seem to have instincts to start & make plays
#4 cut Dex
#5 draft and or replace dat with bigger better impact LBers
#5 Sooner or later we need a WR to scare teams & win games (I LOVE Edwards but doubt he will be there at our first pick)
#6 I think LA is done, he was hobbling around all game
#7 Replace Barnes at FB. He was the worst blocking FB I have ever seen (Next to Anderson)
#8 Find a RB capable of being a #1 RB if Jones were ever injured
#9 A REAL impact DT

OK why not 10?
#10 a REAL KO & punt returner who has actual insticnts & running ability
#10 (tie) sign a real FG kicker who you know can make FG's when you need them...

In closing, I like resigning Vinny & hope that Hensen can improve alot with a full offseason and be the starter! (So I don't think we need a move at QB)

Razz
01-03-2005, 03:26 PM
One of the things I heard the broadcast crew say last night after speaking with BP, was that they said BP said there were nine things they needed to do in the off season.

According to the crew they said BP said that he thought those 9 things were totally doable. This confirms what BP has been saying that he know what he has and knows what he needs.

So anyone want to take a guess on what those 9 things might be? Here is my shot at it.

1) Bringing VT back, this is not mine they said last night it was BP's. So it must be one of the nine.

2) Find another rb who can spell JJ a couple of series a game. This again was one of BP's. Maybe with the 4th rd pick or a mid priced FA.
OK, that leaves 7 .. assuming bringing back Vinny (groan) is 1 of them ..
So, let's go position by position, and look at how Parcells might be thinking (not what I would do)

QB - Vinny, Henson and Romo to NFLE. No moves here unless Vinny retires, then I would expect Parcells to pursue Bledsoe.

RB - Jones. But Parcells likes the multi-headed monster at RB, and Anderson is probably done, as is George's time in Dallas
So, a pass catching RB ala Richie Anderson. Is there anyone in FA that fits that description? Nobody really jumps out at me.

We know Parcells expressed interest in Rudi Johnson, but he's more of an every down back, so don't expect him in Dallas. Leon Johnson is a distinct possibility. Maybe LaMont Jordan.

WR - Don't see Parcells making any moves here even though it needs to be addressed. He's got Key and Glenn. May bring in some 3rd tier guys, late round picks. Not among the 9.

OL - Johnons, C; Peterman, G, Rogers, LT; Adams, RT. Parcells will try to get rid of Allen, so maybe LG is one of the 9. Look for a draft pick here.

TE - Witten, Campbell, and Parcells young guys. Don't see any need for moves here, but don't be surprised to hear Anthony Becht is visiting VR. Not one of the 9 though.

LS - Robinson has started to make an occasional bad snap. Position needs to be addressed, but I doubt it happens until after Robinson's contract is up.

DE/DT - Wiley spoke in public. He's gone. We already know Parcells covets a couple of the Jets' players. Definitely one of the 9. Might see someone like Kendrick Clancy or Chartric Darby. Probably a high draft pick.

LB Coakley is gone. Nguyen is gone. Any Pre-Bill player is gone at the first opportunity. Parcells will bring in several guys at LB. Definitely 1 of the 9 Karon Riley is a strong bet here. Isn't Jason Glenn a FA? Probably a high profile FA, some 2nd and 3rd tier guys, and a high and mid round draft picks.

S - Glaring need, gotta replace Woodson. Definitely one of the 9

CB - Maybe. Maybe not. Parcells Might think he's got the guys but they were just injured. Could see Aaron Beasley being brought in. Maybe addressed in the draft.

K - Could be 1 of the 9, for sure, but seems low priority.

KR/PR - Parcells is always looking for these guys, but not sure it's among the 9.
(So, Vinny, RB, OL, DL x 2, LB x 2, SS, CB - seem like that might be Parcells thinking ...)

Razz
01-03-2005, 03:30 PM
I would attempt to trade for:

Larry Johnson Running Back with KC

I think his price has gone up considerably since we had the opportunity to get him in October.

jobberone
01-03-2005, 03:40 PM
A broken ankle in the last game of the season proves Key is done? I guess the 70 catches in the previous 15 games proved nothing :rolleyes:


I suspect he can come back from this given the incredible resources pro athletes have available for rehab.

It has to be more than just a distal fibula fracture since it was operated on. That means the mortise was disrupted and he tore all the ligaments on that side. That means one plate and probably about seven screws but most importantly it means at least 6 weeks of non weight bearing and probably more like 12. So he will have a relatively immobile ankle at that point. Just a guess from the mechanism of injury. If the tib/fib is broken it will take a lot more work in rehab and I suspect he could lose a little speed.

The pro side of this is he's young and has access to daily PT. I think he'll be as good as he was after all is done. He isn't a barn burner anyway.

Dale
01-03-2005, 04:15 PM
I'm trying to think as Parcells might here, so bear with me...

Offensively, I could see him actually wanting a receiver because our current group's inability to create separation was a huge problem this season. Granted, it should improve with Glenn back, but as JamesWoods said, relying on older receivers with an injury history is a concern.

One of Vinny's problems this season (again, I'm playing Parcells...) was that he was often faced with the problem of not having anyone open downfield. He'd be forced to throw the ball out of bounds to avoid getting sacked or would have to stand too long in the pocket waiting for someone to get open.

I don't see Parcells having any commitment or loyalty to Quincy Morgan. Morgan could very well be this team's 4th receiver next season. He's not a former Parcells player, so I don't think he'll avoid acquiring another receiver just because he already has a third guy in Q.

Parcells was very high on Andre Johnson in the 2003 draft and would have drafted him had he fallen to our pick based on reports at the time, despite the team already having Galloway, Glenn and Bryant at the time (remember, Glenn was a former player of his and he was very high on Bryant back then -- he even said so during an interview with ESPN on the team's season-ending highlight film).

To help Vinny, I could see him wanting another receiver. He'd likely continue to go with Key and Glenn as the starters, and let the other receiver grow into his role. Now, I don't see us going after Jerry Porter or Burress, but I think drafting a guy might be a possibility.

I don't think it's a position Parcells will necessarily circle as a "MUST HAVE," but doubt he'd pass on an opportunity if a guy he considers potentially great is available.

SMCowboy
01-03-2005, 05:10 PM
boysfanindc, I agree. The need are:

#.1) QB - Parcells would definately like to bring Vinny T back as insurance incase Henson is not ready yet. Despite what so many people want think thin, Parcells does not have a problem with Henson, he has said several times that he likes the kid, and that he has done some good things. That is a ringing endourcement coming from Bill Parcells. He just did not think that Henson was ready to play, given what he saw from Henson in the Thanksgiving day game.

#2.) DT - Leo Carson can play in the NFL and will provide nice depth for us in a rotation. But, we desperatey need a big 300+ lb DT who can play NT for us. I am not going to claim to know everyone who is on the list of possible replacements at DT for us. But, I have to think that Jason Ferguson is certainly one of the guys he is looking at, and I also can see us spending a high DP on a nig DT, even if we sign a guy in FA.

#3.) DE - Despite what JamesWood thinks, we are set at one DE with Greg Ellis, but we have been searching for a DE to play oppsite Ellis for a long time. The one name that really sticks out to me, is David Pollock. He has been projected to go around the 20th pick in most mock drafts that I have seen, and he certainly seems to be a Bill Parcells type of player. I know everyone says that he is to small, but he is no smaller that Dwight Freeney, Jason Taylor, and Leonard Little just to name a few, and all of them play in a 4-3 as well.

#4.) CB - This is one that I definately do not see us spending a DP on, and also one that I don't see us dishing out a ton of money for. I get the feeling that Parcells will bring in a solid CB at a good price and let them compete with Frazier and Pete Hunter. With the rules the way that they are today, a shutdown CB does not exist, and the difference between a top CB and an average CB is very minimal. As the only way to make a CB look good today, is to pressure the QB. Look no further than NE, wonder why they are able to plug anyone into their secondary and them still be solid, because they continue to pressure the QB. Taking nothing away from Troy Brown, as it is amazing that he has been able to hold up in the secondary. But do you really think that he is that talented of a CB as well as a WR. Or is he doing a respectable job, that is only made better by a good pass rush.

#5.) FS/SS - We need to find someone to play along side Roy Williams. Is Keith Davis maybe that guy after all? Either way, we definately need to find some new depth, as I don't see Tony Dixon returning.

#6.) RT - We need to find someone to play RT. This could be filled from within, by either having Rogers play RT, or have Adams at RT and move Rogers to his natural LT position. But somehow this must be addressed.

#7.) RG - Gurode is not the answer, but do we have the answer with Peterman, or maybe with Torrin Tucker moving back inside to guard. It is possible, but we definately need to find some sort of answer here.

#8.) LB - Bill Parcells has continuely said that we need playmakers on this D, and Parcells is a LB type of guy. He has continuely said that he loves LB's. Look for Parcells to try and bring in someone at LB who can make plays for us.

#9.) RB - Julius Jones is the answer at RB, but we desperately need someone who can take 5 to 10 carries a game from him and give him some rest. Parcells has also said that we need a quicker RB to play the 3rd down RB role.


We are not going to spend a high DP or big cap money on a WR, we are 5 deep with quality NFL caliber WR's, in Keyshawn, Glenn, Morgan, Crayton and Cooper. Their is no use bringing in anymore WR's we have plenty as it is, and Keyshawn and Glenn make one of the better 1-2 punches at WR in the league. Neither one is a true STUD #1 WR, but both are better than your typical #2 WR.

Derinyar
01-03-2005, 05:56 PM
9 things parcells needs heres my guess

1. QB Kitna, Carter :)
2. DE Pass Rusher John Abraham, Sean Elliss.
3. DT. Most Likely Drafted.round 1
4. CB Smoot
5. NB Terrell Buckley
6. FB Parcells will look for richie anderson Part 2
7.OT Drafted Round 1
8.OG Free agent
9.S free agent or drafted , someone to replace woodson
Shaun Ellis was resigned about a month or so ago, and it sounds like Abraham is going to get franchised.

Smoot is wanting top CB money without ever having been a top CB, see last year reference Winfield. I think we will go shopping in the middle of the CB market, proven vet whos solid but unspectacular.

Fletch
01-03-2005, 06:05 PM
I don't know what is on his list but we should start with some addition by subtraction:

1. Fire Zimmer

2. Fire Warhop

3. Cut Wiley

4. Cut Coakley

5. Let Dixon walk

6. Trade Larry Allen if there are any available suitors - get a 3rd rounder? He is just too limited athletically at this point and is playing on borrowed time. We will need to move on this position in the near future anyway.

If I could get a couple of feasible things accomplished in FA:

1. Sign Pat Williams

2. Sign Jerry Porter

3. Sign Dwight Smith

4. If Abraham isn't franchised, he is priority #1.

In terms of the draft:

1. If Mike Williams falls to us, that is the first pick because he is the best player in the draft - very similar situation to Irvin in 1988. Irvin was #1 on our board and we got him at #11.

2. Draft best defensive player available whenever we are on the clock otherwise in the first two rounds. There is not a position on D at which we don't have need.

Good post Eskimo!