Toughest female soccer player... EVER !!

[CowboyWay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LPIUI_CY44&NR=1

[Rackat]

Wow. There's a song by Buckcherry call "Crazy B*" that fits her.

[Sam I Am]

At absolute minimum, she would be a paraplegic after I finished with her if she did something like that to anyone in my family.

She has been suspended indefinitely (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4629837). She should have been arrested immediately for assault.

[Hostile]

Aren't all soccer players female?

[burmafrd]

as I said in the other thread about her, somewhere Conrad Dobler is smiling.

[bbgun]

I'm getting aroused.

[joseephuss]

Is she the toughest or just the dirtiest player? There is a difference.

[Temo]

Is she the toughest or just the dirtiest player? There is a difference.

In soccer there's really no difference. Only matters if you get caught.

Sucks for this girl that she was so obvious, but "dirty" play is a big part of soccer. It's a fight for how much contact you can get away with and not get called-- kinda like Basketball that way, except Soccer is on a much bigger field and the refs miss a lot of stuff. I will say... guys pull each other's shirts down on headers all the time, never saw a girl pull hair like that though. :eek:

Worst is when you're going up for a header and take an elbow in the crotch/stomach area. Not only do you lose the ball (probably), but you get your wind knocked out and can't get back on defense, resulting in an advantage for other team.

[Temo]

At absolute minimum, she would be a paraplegic after I finished with her if she did something like that to anyone in my family.

She has been suspended indefinitely (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4629837). She should have been arrested immediately for assault.

The hair pull was unnecessarily harsh, but all the other stuff seemed normal to me. She didn't even get a red card for the game.

Besides, these aren't even the most dangerous plays in soccer. The scariest ones are when a defender goes for a slide tackle and pins the other player's leg. I've seen some nasty breaks that way.

[Sam I Am]

The hair pull was unnecessarily harsh, but all the other stuff seemed normal to me. She didn't even get a red card for that.

Besides, these aren't even the most dangerous plays in soccer. The scariest ones are when a defender goes for a slide tackle and pins the other player's leg. I've seen some nasty breaks that way.

Intentional stuff like that is assault PERIOD. She can and should be charged.

[Temo]

Intentional stuff like that is assault PERIOD. She can and should be charged.

She threw a punch after an elbow, she pulled the girl's hair while the girl was grabbing at her, she went hard for a loose ball. Should have gotten a red card, but these were actions in response to actions from her opponents. She does deserve to be disciplined, but assault is too much.

Though that hair pull... wow, that was nasty.

Maybe if US Men played like US Women do, they may actually do something in world play too. :)

I've gotten plenty of elbows and fists and hard tackles and all that. I've also tried to dish out my best too, though I've never been an "enforcer" as they say in hockey. Guess all I'm saying is if she was a dude, I'd love to have her on my team protecting my back. :eek:

Edit: Then again she looked woefully out of sorts on a lot of those tackles. Maybe not have her on my team, but someone with her attitude.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's a different game fellas. It's not like our sport. All the things that you see in this vid can and probably do happen to her.

[joseephuss]

In soccer there's really no difference. Only matters if you get caught.

Sucks for this girl that she was so obvious, but "dirty" play is a big part of soccer. It's a fight for how much contact you can get away with and not get called-- kinda like Basketball that way, except Soccer is on a much bigger field and the refs miss a lot of stuff. I will say... guys pull each other's shirts down on headers all the time, never saw a girl pull hair like that though. :eek:

Worst is when you're going up for a header and take an elbow in the crotch/stomach area. Not only do you lose the ball (probably), but you get your wind knocked out and can't get back on defense, resulting in an advantage for other team.

I disagree. There is a difference. Tough play even when seen by an official is still tough play, but acceptable and a part of the game. Dirty play is dirty whether it is seen or not and is not acceptable. Most dirty players are just bullies. They will back down if you stand up to them. Tough players don't. That is true in any sport.

[hairic]

She threw a punch after an elbow, she pulled the girl's hair while the girl was grabbing at her, she went hard for a loose ball. Should have gotten a red card, but these were actions in response to actions from her opponents. She does deserve to be disciplined, but assault is too much.

Though that hair pull... wow, that was nasty.

Maybe if US Men played like US Women do, they may actually do something in world play too. :)

I've gotten plenty of elbows and fists and hard tackles and all that. I've also tried to dish out my best too, though I've never been an "enforcer" as they say in hockey. Guess all I'm saying is if she was a dude, I'd love to have her on my team protecting my back. :eek:

Edit: Then again she looked woefully out of sorts on a lot of those tackles. Maybe not have her on my team, but someone with her attitude.

Disagree about it not being assault. There is a point where the line of "implied consent" of the sport is passed and actions become criminal. If this isn't there, it's very close.

Take the Haynesworth cleat rake across the face of Gurode. Gurode could have filed charges because Haynesworth's action went past the expected actions of the sport. It not being an expected action on the field means consent was not implied, which made it assault.

Is an intentional 2-handed hair jerk to the ground from behind an expected part of playing soccer?

BTW, I imagine if the other girl had made a move/cut/planted her leg in a certain direction the same time her hair was jerked, her neck snapped, and she subsequently died, that this other girl could be liable for manslaughter.

[bbgun]

The hair pull was unnecessarily harsh, but all the other stuff seemed normal to me.

Punching someone in the back is normal in women's soccer? News to me.

[Hoofbite]

I'm getting aroused.

Haha......

I was going to say the same thing.

[CliffnMesquite]

Naughty! Naughty girl! Needs a spanking!

[Sam I Am]

She threw a punch after an elbow, she pulled the girl's hair while the girl was grabbing at her, she went hard for a loose ball. Should have gotten a red card, but these were actions in response to actions from her opponents. She does deserve to be disciplined, but assault is too much.

Though that hair pull... wow, that was nasty.

Maybe if US Men played like US Women do, they may actually do something in world play too. :)

I've gotten plenty of elbows and fists and hard tackles and all that. I've also tried to dish out my best too, though I've never been an "enforcer" as they say in hockey. Guess all I'm saying is if she was a dude, I'd love to have her on my team protecting my back. :eek:

Edit: Then again she looked woefully out of sorts on a lot of those tackles. Maybe not have her on my team, but someone with her attitude.

Punching someone is considered assault. It is definitely not a part of Soccer or any other non-fighting sport.

[jksmith269]

you realize she was banned from the team after this game right, they will prob let her return next season but she's screwed now one little infraction on the field and her playing days will be over, and prob her free ride in school...

[rkell87]

was she the one that tripped the girl or the one that launched the ball into said tripped girls face?

[Temo]

Listen, I'm not saying it was ok... in fact I kinda blame the ref for not giving out a red card earlier and getting a hold of the game.

But as far as the punches go, she got elbowed in the ribs FIRST, then punched the other girl in the back (quite clumsily, in fact... didn't even look like it hurt).

It's pretty harsh to take away her scholarship and what not for this.

[ABQCOWBOY]

you realize she was banned from the team after this game right, they will prob let her return next season but she's screwed now one little infraction on the field and her playing days will be over, and prob her free ride in school...

This is not true. Nothing, as yet, has been decided on this. Perhaps some or all of this may come to pass but nothing, so far as I know, has been decided other then a suspension for games. No set date as yet.

[Rackat]

That referee will be reviewed by his peers. If he is allowed to continue calling games at that level, I will be surprised.

As for the girl, she definately went over board. However, there is not a full tape of the game to see what initiated her actions. Perhaps she was retaliating for some hard/dirty plays against her. Even the hairpull and throw to the ground was in retaliation for the opposing player grabber her shorts to gain an advantage. The smacks she layed on the girl while the ball was being played should have resulted in Red Card and her ejection from the match. The other girl that kicked the ball into the face of the attacker should have at the minimum been a Yellow, and more likely should have been a Red Card.

[burmafrd]

so grabbing her hair and throwing her to the ground, risking serious injury, is OK if someone grabs your shorts?

[Rackat]

so grabbing her hair and throwing her to the ground, risking serious injury, is OK if someone grabs your shorts?
You're kidding, right? Did you read all of my post or just the one sentence where I noted that the hair pull is in retaliation for dirty play by the opposing player? Is there any where in my post where I condoned her behavior? Is there one place where I said it was "OK to throw the ***** to the ground by her pony tail because she grabbed her shorts?"

[jksmith269]

This is not true. Nothing, as yet, has been decided on this. Perhaps some or all of this may come to pass but nothing, so far as I know, has been decided other then a suspension for games. No set date as yet.

yes it has, it was decided last week when she was suspended from the team.

The University of New Mexicosuspended women’s soccer player Elizabeth Lambert indefinitely after her unsportsmanlike conduct in a Nov. 5 match, including pulling an opponent to the ground by her ponytail.

The 20-year-old junior is barred from all team practices and games, the Mountain West Conference school said Nov. 6 in a news release posted on its Web site.

“Liz’s conduct on the field against BYU was completely inappropriate,” Paul Krebs, New Mexico’s vice president for athletics, said in a statement. “There is no way to defend her actions.”

The school’s decision to ban Lambert was endorsed by the Mountain West, which said her actions violated the league’s sportsmanship policy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYTufvGJNp0&feature=related

[daschoo]

she's a pussycat compared to these guys
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[ABQCOWBOY]

yes it has, it was decided last week when she was suspended from the team.

No, it has not. I live in Albuquerque and I can tell you with no uncertainty that this young ladies future has not been settled as yet. The UNM/BYU game took place in the MWC Tournament so because BYU won, the season is over for Lambert. Their is an internal investigation going on now as to who is responsible for this style of play. Kit Vela is the head coach for Woman's Soccer at UNM. Some are saying that Vela told Lambert to rough up the BYU players and that Vela used Lambert in an inforcer role deliberately. If this is the case, then it's hard to lay all blame on Lambert. This is not a bad girl. Lambert is an All MWC academic 1st team as a Soph. and a possible academic all american. Lambert is not done as yet and will not be done until this investigation is completed. It may well be that Lambert is back next season. It may also be that Vela is not. How this plays out remains to be seen.

[Rackat]

she's a pussycat compared to these guys
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I was a FIFA certified Level 08 ref for 6 years. I've centered games from U4 all the way up to U20. I've seen some horrendous hard fouls, had my life threatened, had to call the police to the fields to clear the parking area, been assaulted by a player and had a coach come on to the field to threaten me. The very worst of the bunch are the girls U19 Classic teams. Those girls play HARD and dirty. Pity the pretty girl that wears her hair where the opposing players can "make use of it". I gave more Red Cards to the girls than I did the boys. The boys only got into it with each other occasionally, it seemed the girls got into it every other game I Centered. The one exception was a U16 Travel game I did. One team scored three times in the first 5 minutes of play. It was all one player doing the scoring...he didn't last long. The opposing defender didn't wait for him to juke him out of his socks on the fourth trip to the box. As soon as the guy was within range, he kicked him in the leg, taking him down, then stomped his leg when he hit the ground. I Red carded 5 players from each team for the fight that broke out and called the game. That was the game that the police had to come to clear the parking area.

[daschoo]

i only ever played in one really dirty game as i last played competitively at 16. the game got called off after around 20 minutes as the previous time we played this team one of their players had been outstanding and took us to bits, this time he did a bit of showboating and one of our players went in with a two footed lunge that caught him on the side of the knee. after the brawl died down the game was abandoned and the guy who wasn't able to get up ended up getting taken away in an ambulance.
that was not a fun experiance.

[burmafrd]

rackat from the moment you said one action is in retaliation for another action you are equalizing the two actions. So maybe you ought to think a little more before you post. Maybe all the time you have in the game has desensetized you to things. There is no justification or anything else that can be said for that action. Your claim it was in retaliation does justify the act to some extent.

[TheCount]

That ***** crazy.

[Rackat]

rackat from the moment you said one action is in retaliation for another action you are equalizing the two actions. So maybe you ought to think a little more before you post. Maybe all the time you have in the game has desensetized you to things. There is no justification or anything else that can be said for that action. Your claim it was in retaliation does justify the act to some extent.
Jeeze, man. Really? Because I said it was in retaliation that is equivalent to saying the actions are equal? I knew you were out there, I just didn't know how far. You are really reaching if you think I was in any way justifying what that girl did in any of the circumstances shown in the video. I would try to explain it further, but if you read my post prior to this one explaining my experience as a FIFA Certified referee, there will be no need to explain. If you just want to troll a bit find something else to troll about. Something you may actually know about.

[Doomsday]

Not sure I would call her tough. Dirty, yes!

[Temo]

I think this article offers good perspective: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/11/sports/soccer/11violence.html?ref=sports&pagewanted=all

Bruce Arena, the coach of the Los Angeles Galaxy and the former coach of the United States men’s national team, said in an interview Sunday: “Let’s be fair, there have been worse incidents in games than that. I think we are somewhat sexist in our opinion of sport. I think maybe people are alarmed to see a woman do that, but men do a hell of a lot worse things. Was it good behavior? No, but because it’s coming from a woman, they made it a headline.”

[Bob Sacamano]

I think this article offers good perspective: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/11/sports/soccer/11violence.html?ref=sports&pagewanted=all

Bruce Arena, the coach of the Los Angeles Galaxy and the former coach of the United States men’s national team, said in an interview Sunday: “Let’s be fair, there have been worse incidents in games than that. I think we are somewhat sexist in our opinion of sport. I think maybe people are alarmed to see a woman do that, but men do a hell of a lot worse things. Was it good behavior? No, but because it’s coming from a woman, they made it a headline.”

it happens in European leagues for sure

but does it happen in the NCAA collegiate ranks?

btw, Euro leagues play for money, NCAA is just that, student athletes, that steps way beyond the gender "bias"

[burmafrd]

puffing yourself aboutt FIFA- WHO CARES? Rackat, like I said you were probably desensitized years ago. and yes when you say something was done in retaliation it is equalizing. Sorry you cannot figure that out but I am not surprised.

[Rackat]

puffing yourself aboutt FIFA- WHO CARES? Rackat, like I said you were probably desensitized years ago. and yes when you say something was done in retaliation it is equalizing. Sorry you cannot figure that out but I am not surprised.
LMAO! Now I know how some of the opposing posters used to feel trying to argue with a brick wall of ignorance that you post. 'puffing' my qualifications as a referee, certified by the world organization that oversees the game, was stated in the context of what I had done as a referee and what I would have done in that scenario. Because you cannot speak intelligently about the subject, I will leave you to you opinion. So, you believe what you want and I'll know that stating it may have been done in retaliation does not make the actions equivalent nor justifiable.

[Joe Rod]

That vid was pretty hot.

[Kangaroo]

so grabbing her hair and throwing her to the ground, risking serious injury, is OK if someone grabs your shorts?

I love the hair throw use it all the time in my martial arts training it performs a good Kokyu Nage then again it helps if you know how to fall with out hurting yourself

[the kid 05]

Aren't all soccer players female?

that would be putting it nicely

[BigStar]

Probably on steroids, though she could give Hamlin some tacking lessons. Soccer is for kids w/out athletic skill. That is why so many kids play it, anyone can run around w/out being noticed.

[CowboyWay]

Probably on steroids, though she could give Hamlin some tacking lessons. Soccer is for kids w/out athletic skill. That is why so many kids play it, anyone can run around w/out being noticed.
:laugh1:

I can't say I disagree with any of this.

[Temo]

<sport I don't like> IS FOR GAYS. IT REQUIRES NO <running/athletic skill/guts> BECAUSE <something totally wrong>. <sport(s) I like> IS THE BEST. THAT'S WHAT REAL MEN PLAY.

Go ahead and fill in the blanks, save yourself the time, and everyone in the world can summarize their opinions on everyone else's past-times and leisurely pursuits.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Probably on steroids, though she could give Hamlin some tacking lessons. Soccer is for kids w/out athletic skill. That is why so many kids play it, anyone can run around w/out being noticed.

This is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read. The majority of the world plays this game and they play it better then we do. Thsi sport is not for unathletic individuals who just want to run around playing herd ball. The very best athletes, all over the world, play this game.

[BigStar]

You mean bc they can't compete in other sports? Could you see soccer players playing football?? If football players trained the way they do if they played soccer....I think it is pretty evident they would dominate maybe outside of the lineman. Ochocinco played it but obviously has too much talent to settle on that sport. Not only is it boring but it has no physicality to it, that is why Americans don't respect it, despite the last youtube video. Did you see those guys swing? Looked more like a catfight then two men.

[joseephuss]

Did you see those guys swing? Looked more like a catfight then two men.

Most fights look like that. Typical fights don't look like the choreographed bouts we see in movies. It is more common for any fight to end up in a bunch of flailing than looking like people who are well versed in hand to hand combat.

[Temo]

You mean bc they can't compete in other sports? Could you see soccer players playing football?? If football players trained the way they do if they played soccer....I think it is pretty evident they would dominate maybe outside of the lineman. Ochocinco played it but obviously has too much talent to settle on that sport. Not only is it boring but it has no physicality to it, that is why Americans don't respect it, despite the last youtube video. Did you see those guys swing? Looked more like a catfight then two men.

Seriously, you should just stop now. No one who cares about soccers cares about people who don't care about soccer. If you don't get it, then you don't get it.

Much as people who care about football don't care about people who don't care about football.

[BigStar]

You're right Temo.

[ROMOSAPIEN9]

Another proud day for Title IX.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

At absolute minimum, she would be a paraplegic after I finished with her if she did something like that to anyone in my family.

She has been suspended indefinitely (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4629837). She should have been arrested immediately for assault.

oh please, as if you are going to beat up a girl

the mormons probably did something to deserve it

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You can all trash soccer, that is fine but none of you could take Zinadine Zidane. He was/is a tough

[Rackat]

You can all trash soccer, that is fine but none of you could take Zinadine Zidane. He was/is a tough

Damn, and here I never thought I'd even come close to agreeing with you on anything! :eek:

[BigStar]

Anyone that can't take a throwdown shouldn't be playing sports, even soccer.

[Teren_Kanan]

Soccor has to be about the most boring sport ever.

I'm seriously not sure if I'd rather watch Golf or Soccor.. and that's saying a lot...

[UKCowboysFan]

Soccor has to be about the most boring sport ever.

I'm seriously not sure if I'd rather watch Golf or Soccor.. and that's saying a lot...


You have watched Baseball, right

[rynochop]

Damn, i bet she's quite a handful in the sack.

[Signals]

Damn, i bet she's quite a handful in the sack.Not since the invention of handcuffs.

[BigStar]

This sport is a joke, So what if most of the countries play it? We may have supersized our players through slavery, but of course we don't talk about that? How else could u justify that "regular Africans" don't have the same physical ability outside of soccer? We have the best athletes in the world for for a reason, and it ain"nt pretty. Why do we have some many ultra big and fast players in the NBA and NFL? It is likely they found a better sport for the purpose? And I have no formal educatiuon but it makes a lot of sense? We don't understand that we have a lot of guys locked up for the same reason? They have more physical prowess but are disregared as criminals w/out having the same education and the same reasoning? This country is so backwards that it does'nt make sense.

[Hostile]

You can all trash soccer, that is fine but none of you could take Zinadine Zidane. He was/is a toughNo soccer chick scares me.

[daschoo]

why do people always feel the need to compare the two? honestly liking soccer makes you gay no more than bashing it makes you look tough. two good sports which are completely different so i don't quite see the need to compare.

[BigStar]

Why don't we just agree that we wud most son's playing another sport other thah soccer?

[daschoo]

Why don't we just agree that we wud most son's playing another sport other thah soccer?

i've ended up in the hospital from playing the sport, people have been killed playing it (fortunately very rarely) and for example gordon strachan needed a hip replacement operation in his late forties because of the toll on his body but yes football (soccer) is for people who are scared of playing a "real" sport so they can avoid physical injury :rolleyes:

nobody is saying that american football isn't a more physical sport but if its only the physicality you're interested in then why not just watch cage fighting?

[Temo]

nobody is saying that american football isn't a more physical sport but if its only the physicality you're interested in then why not just watch cage fighting?

This.

[burmafrd]

US Football is more of a chess game with major hitting involved. Soccer is just running around dodging guys.

[daschoo]

i'm not criticising american football, if i didn't like it i wouldn't be on this board. just saying that i don't see the need to compare the two. i'd also say that you're over simplifying both sports there burma. obviously i prefer soccer so i'm going to defend it against views like those expressed by bigstar (particularly before hos edited them) but i don't get why a lot of folk have such strong views on something they patently don't understand.

[joseephuss]

Why don't we just agree that we wud most son's playing another sport other thah soccer?

I would want my kids playing soccer at a young age. I think it is a great beginner sport to give a kid a good base of athletic skills. If you can learn to run and kick a ball in a controlled manner it is an easy next step to incorporate the use of your hands. Developing quick feet playing soccer can be very beneficial for other sports such as football and basketball. Cal Ripken has talked about how playing soccer as a youth really helped him playing short stop.

I would love for my kids to play soccer as adults as well because there is great money in the sport just like there is great money in most of the major sports. It is a nice job if you can get it, but most can't because you have to be one of the best of the best to get into the major leagues of any sport.

I would not want my kids playing soccer over football or football over soccer. That kind of stuff doesn't matter to me. If my kid likes one sport over another then I would support them on whichever one they like. Or if they don't like playing sports.

[Temo]

Given equal opportunity, I'd prefer my offspring to play soccer over football. Brain damage in football is a real thing and I'd prefer them to stay safe over some remote possibility of going pro.

[DallasCowpoke]

I would want my kids playing soccer at a young age. I think it is a great beginner sport to give a kid a good base of athletic skills. If you can learn to run and kick a ball in a controlled manner it is an easy next step to incorporate the use of your hands. Developing quick feet playing soccer can be very beneficial for other sports such as football and basketball. Cal Ripken has talked about how playing soccer as a youth really helped him playing short stop.

Ndamukong Suh, the stud DT at Nebraska is the perfect example of this.

[UKCowboysFan]

i'm not criticising american football, if i didn't like it i wouldn't be on this board. just saying that i don't see the need to compare the two. i'd also say that you're over simplifying both sports there burma. obviously i prefer soccer so i'm going to defend it against views like those expressed by bigstar (particularly before hos edited them) but i don't get why a lot of folk have such strong views on something they patently don't understand.

You aren't going to change the mind of those that think soccer is for girls.

It's just the same old rubbish that we have to put up with from Rugby fans over here calling American Football players gay because they have to wear all that padding.

Just nod, agree, and let them revel in their ignorance.

I do find the argument that soccer players aren't athletes amusing though.
Surely the fact that they play 90 mins for 60-70 games a season might suggest some athletic ability, especially when compared to guys that play around 30 mins 16 times a year ;)

[ABQCOWBOY]

This sport is a joke, So what if most of the countries play it? We may have supersized our players through slavery, but of course we don't talk about that? How else could u justify that "regular Africans" don't have the same physical ability outside of soccer? We have the best athletes in the world for for a reason, and it ain"nt pretty. Why do we have some many ultra big and fast players in the NBA and NFL? It is likely they found a better sport for the purpose? And I have no formal educatiuon but it makes a lot of sense? We don't understand that we have a lot of guys locked up for the same reason? They have more physical prowess but are disregared as criminals w/out having the same education and the same reasoning? This country is so backwards that it does'nt make sense.

What exactly are you trying to say here? Be careful with your response. It's in your best interests.

[Temo]

What exactly are you trying to say here? Be careful with your response. It's in your best interests.

I think we know what he saying, but the sentence "I have no formal educatiuon but it makes a lot of sense" made me not respond to it.

[Hostile]

why do people always feel the need to compare the two? honestly liking soccer makes you gay no more than bashing it makes you look tough. two good sports which are completely different so i don't quite see the need to compare.I do it mostly because soccer fans so rabidly support a sport which some people just don't care about and constantly say that they just don't understand it.

It's just an opinion.

[daschoo]

I do it mostly because soccer fans so rabidly support a sport which some people just don't care about and constantly say that they just don't understand it.

It's just an opinion.

while i can see your point there you could say the same for supporters of any sport, including american football

i have no problem with your opinion on this, you have stated several times you have no interest in soccer and refuse to watch it. personally i feel you're missing out but thats up to you, none of my business. people (like bigstar) inferring i am gay or less of a man because i watch and play soccer is what i was talking about.

also the thing about not understanding, there probably is some truth in. from personal experiance i know that two years ago i didn't really understand american football and therefore didn't like it. i ended up watching a game and once i spent a little time to try and understand the sport i discovered that i actually really enjoyed it. not trying to convince you of the merits of the sport, i couldn't care less if you watch it or not, just trying to give an example that their may be some truth in it when people say that a lot of people don't like soccer (or any sport for that matter) largely because they don't understand it.

[burmafrd]

So many foreigners look down on us because we do not care about soccer. I piss on them. I got force fed soccer when I was in England for 3 years. Did not like it before or after.

[Sam I Am]

I played soccer as a kid, we watch soccer here at work after trading stops (couple of Brits here).

I don't hate soccer, but sometimes it's rather slow. I liken it to running baseball. I'm a baseball fan, but I can't watch 162 games a year, it's just to many games. As for soccer, I don't sit down and watch it, but I will have it playing in the background as there are times the play can get very exciting.

[Hostile]

while i can see your point there you could say the same for supporters of any sport, including american football

i have no problem with your opinion on this, you have stated several times you have no interest in soccer and refuse to watch it. personally i feel you're missing out but thats up to you, none of my business. people (like bigstar) inferring i am gay or less of a man because i watch and play soccer is what i was talking about.

also the thing about not understanding, there probably is some truth in. from personal experiance i know that two years ago i didn't really understand american football and therefore didn't like it. i ended up watching a game and once i spent a little time to try and understand the sport i discovered that i actually really enjoyed it. not trying to convince you of the merits of the sport, i couldn't care less if you watch it or not, just trying to give an example that their may be some truth in it when people say that a lot of people don't like soccer (or any sport for that matter) largely because they don't understand it.I assure you, I do understand soccer. I can name every position on the field and tell you when penalty kicks, etc. will happen. I just do not like the sport. Watching people run and flop just doesn't do anything for me. If I wanted to watch a lot of jogging I'd go to the local park and watch women jog. The flopping is really what annoys me. I find that to be the worst thing about it by far. One fake debilitating injury in order to draw a yellow card and then all is better is enough to make me want to hurt those guys for real.

I have no idea what you are talking about with regards to someone calling you gay. You know you can report those posts. We don't want that here.

I made a wisecrack about all soccer players being female and followed it up with a single retort after someone said a certain soccer player could whip any soccer detractor in this thread. I was never aiming my jokes at fans and in truth I have not read most of the thread because it was going to discuss the sport which I simply find repulsive to discuss and read. I replied to you because I came back to see if anyone responded to my retort earlier and I replied to your post because it was right after my comment so I assumed you meant me.

[ZeroClub]

Any truth to the rumor that this soccer woman will be portrayed in an upcoming movie by Charlize Theron?

[Temo]

If I wanted to watch a lot of jogging I'd go to the local park and watch women jog. The flopping is really what annoys me. I find that to be the worst thing about it by far. One fake debilitating injury in order to draw a yellow card and then all is better is enough to make me want to hurt those guys for real.


I'm not a soccer evangelizer, far from it, but if you're just watching people jog around it's likely not a very good soccer match. Speed and sprinting ability is likely the #1 asset for any pospective soccer player.

[BigStar]

I'm saying America's "History" is why our athletes are generally superior in American sports and could be in soccer if they chose to. That's history, nothing wrong I said there.

[Hostile]

I'm not a soccer evangelizer, far from it, but if you're just watching people jog around it's likely not a very good soccer match. Speed and sprinting ability is likely the #1 asset for any pospective soccer player.I'm not really into watching guys run marathons either. Sprint races are fun. But for the most part running around doesn't excite me. The flopping drives me insane. I can't stand to see a grown man pretend to be a sissy to draw a yellow card. I don't respect that at all.

[UKCowboysFan]

I'm not really into watching guys run marathons either. Sprint races are fun. But for the most part running around doesn't excite me. The flopping drives me insane. I can't stand to see a grown man pretend to be a sissy to draw a yellow card. I don't respect that at all.

I agree, the diving you see in games now is so bad that it's beyond a joke.

One question I would ask you is what do you think of the trend in Football now where players are asking for flags to be thrown all the time.

It may be just me but this seems to be happening more & more.

I would be concerned that unless something is done to stop it, we might end up in a situation like soccer where the players are trying to con the refs by simulating fouls. I guess the one big advantage that Football has is that there are more officials to spot any attempt to con them.

[ZeroClub]

I agree, the diving you see in games now is so bad that it's beyond a joke.

One question I would ask you is what do you think of the trend in Football now where players are asking for flags to be thrown all the time.

It may be just me but this seems to be happening more & more.

I would be concerned that unless something is done to stop it, we might end up in a situation like soccer where the players are trying to con the refs by simulating fouls. I guess the one big advantage that Football has is that there are more officials to spot any attempt to con them.


Now we are getting somewhere.

You see, kickers and punters often try to con refs by simulating fouls.

And there is a certain person who is known to be hostile toward kickers ....

[Temo]

I'm not really into watching guys run marathons either. Sprint races are fun. But for the most part running around doesn't excite me. The flopping drives me insane. I can't stand to see a grown man pretend to be a sissy to draw a yellow card. I don't respect that at all.

No one likes flopping, but if you're really into the sport you can get past it. Just as much as I can get past flopping in basketball. But yea, again I'm not going to try to shove soccer down your throat. Some people don't like it, no skin off my nose.

[daschoo]

I agree, the diving you see in games now is so bad that it's beyond a joke.

One question I would ask you is what do you think of the trend in Football now where players are asking for flags to be thrown all the time.

It may be just me but this seems to be happening more & more.

I would be concerned that unless something is done to stop it, we might end up in a situation like soccer where the players are trying to con the refs by simulating fouls. I guess the one big advantage that Football has is that there are more officials to spot any attempt to con them.

agree with every word of this. cheating in this manner seems to be on the increase in all sports to be honest. you've got the obvious diving in football, basketball is apparantly as bad, the blood scandal recently in rugby and as you say receivers constantly looking for flags. when the stakes are as high as they are with all the money and publicity sport attracts people are going to try and gain any edge they can.
i accept that the problem in soccer is far worse than american football but i would also add that even 15 years ago players would be embarrased to be diving about the way many do these days so if i was involved with the nfl i'd be looking to come down on hard on those constantly seeking flags when there has been no interferance.

regarding the extra officials i was pleased to see uefa experimenting with two extra assistants behind the goals in the europa games which hopefully will help cut out diving in the penalty area.

[BigStar]

ABQCowboy, was that politically correct enough for you or should I actually re-read my history books?