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Bob Sacamano
11-16-2009, 11:23 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_re_us/us_soldier_mom_deployment
WAHHHHH
sorry sister, thousands of troops go through the same thing
tough ****, pack your bags and get out there
btw, anyone read about the lady who took 950 written tests to finally be able to take the driver's test? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f69_1257664269&c=1
Did you actually read the whole thing? What is she supposed to do, send him into foster care? I'd do the same damn thing.
WoodysGirl
11-17-2009, 08:37 AM
Did you actually read the whole thing? What is she supposed to do, send him into foster care? I'd do the same damn thing.
Obviously he didn't.
I think she and her mother could've handled things better, though.
If her mother has all those obligations, she should've never been under consideration to take care of her son.
And the mother shouldn't have waited so late to tell her she couldn't have handled it.
CowboyWay
11-17-2009, 11:33 AM
Obviously he didn't.
I think she and her mother could've handled things better, though.
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Agreed. I doubt the mom exhausted all of her options, but I'm sure the military will find out and act accordingly.
I can't say I would have put my child in foster care either.
I have no opinion on the specific matter (whether she should be shipped off or not) without further information.
That said, why the hell would you have a kid as a single parent if you have military obligations? There's a certain element of personal responibility there.
xWraithx
11-18-2009, 09:19 AM
Troop refuses to ship "put"?
what the hell does that even mean?
CowboyFan74
11-18-2009, 09:45 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_re_us/us_soldier_mom_deployment
WAHHHHH
sorry sister, thousands of troops go through the same thing
tough ****, pack your bags and get out there
btw, anyone read about the lady who took 950 written tests to finally be able to take the driver's test? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f69_1257664269&c=1
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091116/capt.5abc023cad334aedb9d2a59a314c41d0.soldier_mom_ deployment_ax101.jpg
Sorry sister? WTH is wrong with you? Mom's should not be forced to go to war and besides, this isn't WWIII. She won't be missed...
Faerluna
11-18-2009, 09:48 AM
I have no opinion on the specific matter (whether she should be shipped off or not) without further information.
That said, why the hell would you have a kid as a single parent if you have military obligations? There's a certain element of personal responibility there.
Hutchinson, who's assigned to the 3rd Combat Aviation Brigade of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, joined the Army in 2007 and had no previous deployments, Sussman said. She said Hutchinson is no longer in a relationship with the father.
She wasn't single when she had the baby. Even if she was, not every pregnancy is planned.
Doomsday101
11-18-2009, 10:02 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091116/capt.5abc023cad334aedb9d2a59a314c41d0.soldier_mom_ deployment_ax101.jpg
Sorry sister? WTH is wrong with you? Mom's should not be forced to go to war and besides, this isn't WWIII. She won't be missed...
True then again why join the military? If she can't take on the obligations to the military then she should be granted a discharge from the military.
Yeagermeister
11-18-2009, 10:24 AM
True then again why join the military? If she can't take on the obligations to the military then she should be granted a discharge from the military.
She could have already been in the military when she had the baby and she doesn't want a discharge.
She wasn't single when she had the baby. Even if she was, not every pregnancy is planned.
Yes, I got that. Again, this isn't to say that she should be forced to go. But it's still a mistake to get pregnant without a stable way to take care of her baby. That would happen if she was working in the private sector too, it's just that being in the military makes it way worse.
What kind of message does it send when people sign up for the army and then get pregnant 2 years into it without ever deploying? What exactly is earning you the paycheck then?
Faerluna
11-18-2009, 10:34 AM
Yes, I got that. Again, this isn't to say that she should be forced to go. But it's still a mistake to get pregnant without a stable way to take care of her baby. That would happen if she was working in the private sector too, it's just that being in the military makes it way worse.
She was under the impression that her mother was going to watch the baby until the mom backed out at the last minute. That's about as stable as it gets, expecting your mom to help with the grandchild.
Faerluna
11-18-2009, 10:35 AM
She could have already been in the military when she had the baby and she doesn't want a discharge.
She joined in 2007, so she definitely was in the military first. Why would she want a discharge anyway? She probably chose the military because it was her best option.
TheCount
11-18-2009, 10:39 AM
Yes, I got that. Again, this isn't to say that she should be forced to go. But it's still a mistake to get pregnant without a stable way to take care of her baby. That would happen if she was working in the private sector too, it's just that being in the military makes it way worse.
What kind of message does it send when people sign up for the army and then get pregnant 2 years into it without ever deploying? What exactly is earning you the paycheck then?
Having a child while in the military should be outlawed?
She was under the impression that her mother was going to watch the baby until the mom backed out at the last minute. That's about as stable as it gets, expecting your mom to help with the grandchild.
Her mother's life doesn't exactly sound very stable. I'm also wondering where the father is in all this. I think it just goes back to "stop having kids out of wedlock", as old-fashioned as that sounds.
Birth control is pretty easy to use nowadays.
Having a child while in the military should be outlawed?
Again, no. I'm making moral judgment here. Which, I presume, is still allowed. Not everything has to be a letter-of-the-law thing.
I just think she made an bad life decision. Still think the army screwed up in detaining her like that.
Doomsday101
11-18-2009, 10:44 AM
She could have already been in the military when she had the baby and she doesn't want a discharge.
Military is not a democracy. Women wanted in the military and fought to get this right and deservedly so but it is the military not some normal 8 to 5 job you have certain obligations as a member of the armed service and many people are put out when they are called to go overseas it sucks but it is also a volunteer military no one forced anyone to join if you’re not willing to live up to your obligations then you have no business being in the US Military.
Yeagermeister
11-18-2009, 10:46 AM
She joined in 2007, so she definitely was in the military first. Why would she want a discharge anyway? She probably chose the military because it was her best option.
I have no problem with that and I'm sure the military has a program to help her.
Doomsday101
11-18-2009, 10:47 AM
Having a child while in the military should be outlawed?
Not at all but when you are called up to do your duty then you do it. I'm sure many men and women could come up with reason why they should not have to go but the military does not work that way. If you can't meet your obligation to the service then you need to be discharged from the service.
TheCount
11-18-2009, 10:51 AM
Again, no. I'm making moral judgment here. Which, I presume, is still allowed. Not everything has to be a letter-of-the-law thing.
I just think she made an bad life decision. Still think the army screwed up in detaining her like that.
I believe it's still allowed, you just sound a bit self-righteous but it's no skin off my back.
I'd never say having a child is a bad life decision, especially since it seemed she was primed to go until her mom returned the kid.
WoodysGirl
11-18-2009, 10:58 AM
I have no problem with that and I'm sure the military has a program to help her.
I think so, too.
More than likely, they'll investigate where the father is in this situation and look for other viable options for the child.
I'd never say having a child is a bad life decision, especially since it seemed she was primed to go until her mom returned the kid.
I guess this where we differ.
CowboyFan74
11-18-2009, 11:45 AM
True then again why join the military? If she can't take on the obligations to the military then she should be granted a discharge from the military.
Why not? It's job security these days. They can find something for her to do state side. She's not gonna be taking down terrorists after just having a baby anyways. This sounds to me like a computer glich or an angry superior trying to be the man...
Doomsday101
11-18-2009, 11:53 AM
Why not? It's job security these days. They can find something for her to do state side. She's not gonna be taking down terrorists after just having a baby anyways. This sounds to me like a computer glich or an angry superior trying to be the man...
Yes they could find someone else how about other troops who have important things going on as well should they get an excuse as well? If you can't do the job asked of you in the military then you have no business being in the military. It is not some 8 to 5 job you are a member of the US military and when called to go you go period. I am a big believer in equal rights but equal mean the same for everyone, women wanted the right to serve they deserved that right but with it comes the same responsibility as it would for anyone else man or woman. You can't have it both ways.
Faerluna
11-18-2009, 12:00 PM
Yes they could find someone else how about other troops who have important things going on as well should they get an excuse as well? If you can't do the job asked of you in the military then you have no business being in the military. It is not some 8 to 5 job you are a member of the US military and when called to go you go period. I am a big believer in equal rights but equal mean the same for everyone, women wanted the right to serve they deserved that right but with it comes the same responsibility as it would for anyone else man or woman. You can't have it both ways.
And as soon as men can accidentally get pregnant, it will be equal.
CowboyFan74
11-18-2009, 12:04 PM
Yes they could find someone else how about other troops who have important things going on as well should they get an excuse as well? If you can't do the job asked of you in the military then you have no business being in the military. It is not some 8 to 5 job you are a member of the US military and when called to go you go period. I am a big believer in equal rights but equal mean the same for everyone, women wanted the right to serve they deserved that right but with it comes the same responsibility as it would for anyone else man or woman. You can't have it both ways.
Someone else as in another woman who just had a baby? Let's be practical here. This is America, we are not in need of a troop (Singular) to win the war on terrorism. We allow women in our military but when they have a baby we are not so desperate or animalistic that we demand they abandon their child for the state to raise. This is America, not China where they drown their 1st born if it's not a boy. (Do they still do that?) Based on your thought process it sounds like you resent women in the military or maybe I'm reading to much into it. For you to say a woman can't have it both ways (In America) also tells me how little you know about women...:laugh2:
Doomsday101
11-18-2009, 12:20 PM
Someone else as in another woman who just had a baby? Let's be practical here. This is America, we are not in need of a troop (Singular) to win the war on terrorism. We allow women in our military but when they have a baby we are not so desperate or animalistic that we demand they abandon their child for the state to raise. This is America, not China where they drown their 1st born if it's not a boy. (Do they still do that?) Based on your thought process it sounds like you resent women in the military or maybe I'm reading to much into it. For you to say a woman can't have it both ways (In America) also tells me how little you know about women...:laugh2:
You do the job or not period. This is not a manadory military you join by your own choice knowing that when you do you have made an obligation to the US military and will carry out the orders you have been given. I'm not trying to sound heartless but if she can't handle the obligations she has signed up for then she needs to be discharged from the military. As I said I believe in Equal rights but it must be equal. I know plenty about women and I know that many are as capable of doing the job as well as their male counter parts
Doomsday101
11-18-2009, 12:25 PM
And as soon as men can accidentally get pregnant, it will be equal.
I'm not saying she should be shot but if you join the military a choice you make not one forced on you then you have obligations to fulfill if you can't then you have no business in the military period
CowboyFan74
11-18-2009, 12:27 PM
You do the job or not period. This is not a manadory military you join by your own choice knowing that when you do you have made an obligation to the US military and will carry out the orders you have been given. I'm not trying to sound heartless but if she can't handle the obligations she has signed up for then she needs to be discharged from the military. As I said I believe in Equal rights but it must be equal. I know plenty about women and I know that many are as capable of doing the job as well as their male counter parts
Still sounds like you resent women in the military but whatever you say kaptain...
WoodysGirl
11-18-2009, 12:35 PM
I'm not saying she should be shot but if you join the military a choice you make not one forced on you then you have obligations to fulfill if you can't then you have no business in the military period
Reading the article, it seems she did attempt to fulfill her obligations until the last minute.
Looks like she got some bad info, but it will be resolved
xWraithx
11-18-2009, 12:37 PM
And as soon as men can accidentally get pregnant, it will be equal.
lol @ "accidentally"
You "accidentally" slip and fall or "accidentally" bump your head on something... you "purposely" (and "idiotically" might I add) have sex with someone without using birth control, unless you (for some ungodly reason) actually WANT kids.
Either use birth control or don't even bother. Yes, it's as simple as that.
And as soon as men can accidentally get pregnant, it will be equal.
Are you sure? Because it sure seems to me women want to be treated as equals, yet it would also seem to me that this built in fail-safe you're citing kind of trumps that idea. You can't have it both ways. Equality means even treatment, not special instances based on how nature forms a person.
All things being equal, maybe we're not really fit to be doing the same things, given natures indifference to equality in forming our bodies.
WoodysGirl
11-18-2009, 12:55 PM
There's a lot of missing info in the original article.
Forget the fact that she got pregnant while in the military. This is not about equal rights for women. This is simply about a single parent trying to do the right thing for her child.
If a young man's girlfriend got pregnant while he was in the military and was forced into a similar decision because something happened to the young mother and he received bad info. It happens, like in the case of our very own OL Robert Brewster.
Do people really think military personnel should be deployed if they don't have adequate child care? Because that's what this is about.
Ultimately, this young lady received bad info and made a bad decision as a result.
Faerluna
11-18-2009, 01:12 PM
Are you sure? Because it sure seems to me women want to be treated as equals, yet it would also seem to me that this built in fail-safe you're citing kind of trumps that idea. You can't have it both ways. Equality means even treatment, not special instances based on how nature forms a person.
All things being equal, maybe we're not really fit to be doing the same things, given natures indifference to equality in forming our bodies.
All things being equal, **** happens. Just like to this woman.
Faerluna
11-18-2009, 01:17 PM
lol @ "accidentally"
You "accidentally" slip and fall or "accidentally" bump your head on something... you "purposely" (and "idiotically" might I add) have sex with someone without using birth control, unless you (for some ungodly reason) actually WANT kids.
Either use birth control or don't even bother. Yes, it's as simple as that.
I have known more than one woman that has gotten pregnant while on the pill. Even when taken correctly, it's not 100% effective.
Don't bother telling me about multiple birth control methods simultaneously. That happens probably less than 1% of the time.
The only fail safe birth control is abstinence. Get real. This isn't the Jonas Brothers.
So yes, its possible and somewhat probable, that it was accidental.
All things being equal, **** happens. Just like to this woman.
I guess, if you really want to characterize getting pregnant as '**** happening'.
Faerluna
11-18-2009, 01:56 PM
I guess, if you really want to characterize getting pregnant as '**** happening'.
I was referencing birth control failure.
zrinkill
11-18-2009, 02:14 PM
The problem this young lady has is that she went awol by not showing up.
That is why she was arrested.
If this story is accurate then it will get settled with what is best for the child in mind.
If the girl has a history of things like this then she will be reprimanded.
bbgun
11-18-2009, 02:36 PM
I was referencing birth control failure.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k68/thompson75/n100000451877170_7097.jpg
ninja
11-18-2009, 02:38 PM
The chick doesn't belong in the military.
She "chick"-ened-out. She didn't want to go.
Many chicks are either trying to get pregnant to get out of going or trying to get pregnant while in theatre to get a ticket back.
Take advantage of the rules.
Yeagermeister
11-18-2009, 02:47 PM
The chick doesn't belong in the military.
She "chick"-ened-out. She didn't want to go.
Many chicks are either trying to get pregnant to get out of going or trying to get pregnant while in theatre to get a ticket back.
Take advantage of the rules.
That was going on when I was in the Army in the late 80's before the first Gulf War.
xWraithx
11-18-2009, 02:47 PM
I have known more than one woman that has gotten pregnant while on the pill. Even when taken correctly, it's not 100% effective.
Don't bother telling me about multiple birth control methods simultaneously. That happens probably less than 1% of the time.
The only fail safe birth control is abstinence. Get real. This isn't the Jonas Brothers.
So yes, its possible and somewhat probable, that it was accidental.
I agree with you there ;)
Yeagermeister
11-18-2009, 02:47 PM
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k68/thompson75/n100000451877170_7097.jpg
She said failure not EPIC FAILURE
Doomsday101
11-18-2009, 02:51 PM
There's a lot of missing info in the original article.
Forget the fact that she got pregnant while in the military. This is not about equal rights for women. This is simply about a single parent trying to do the right thing for her child.
If a young man's girlfriend got pregnant while he was in the military and was forced into a similar decision because something happened to the young mother and he received bad info. It happens, like in the case of our very own OL Robert Brewster.
Do people really think military personnel should be deployed if they don't have adequate child care? Because that's what this is about.
Ultimately, this young lady received bad info and made a bad decision as a result.
I'm not trying to berate her and I can sympathies with but the US military should not base personal decisions based on do you have child care. I'm sorry evidently this is a problem that is not going to change anytime soon for her and will prevent her living up to the obligation to the military so I would still say she should be discharged from the military.
WoodysGirl
11-18-2009, 03:23 PM
I'm not trying to berate her and I can sympathies with but the US military should not base personal decisions based on do you have child care. I'm sorry evidently this is a problem that is not going to change anytime soon for her and will prevent her living up to the obligation to the military so I would still say she should be discharged from the military.I wasn't suggesting whether you should sympathize or not. My very first post said she and her mother should've handled things differently before it got this far.
It's pretty obvious she got bad info either from a commander or someone in her family, because the article clearly said they wouldn't have forced her to deploy if she didn't have adequate child care.
What was also said was that she still should have showed up and explained her situation. From what I read, they have programs in place to help single parents in just this situation. This is not an automatic discharge type of situation, but it will get resolved...like Zrin said with the best interest of the child in mind.
Bob Sacamano
11-18-2009, 06:19 PM
Having a child while in the military should be outlawed?
no kidding
take it up with your superiors
the military has a thing called MWR
they'll take care of it
Bob Sacamano
11-18-2009, 06:20 PM
Not at all but when you are called up to do your duty then you do it. I'm sure many men and women could come up with reason why they should not have to go but the military does not work that way. If you can't meet your obligation to the service then you need to be discharged from the service.
no kidding, if she thinks she's the only single parent in the military
then the ****
Bob Sacamano
11-18-2009, 06:22 PM
damn, people can't keep me out of their thoughts and my name out their mouth
*******
CowboyFan74
11-18-2009, 07:05 PM
unless you (for some ungodly reason) actually WANT kids.
UnGodly and wanting kids in the same sentence...:laugh2:
I guess u never read Genesis...:D
xWraithx
11-18-2009, 10:48 PM
UnGodly and wanting kids in the same sentence...:laugh2:
I guess u never read Genesis...:D
:laugh2:
should've put it differently huh
BigStar
11-19-2009, 08:45 PM
Single mothers shouldn't be in the military if they even have the slightest chance of going to war, way too irresponsible.
CowboyFan74
11-19-2009, 08:51 PM
Single mothers shouldn't be in the military if they even have the slightest chance of going to war, way too irresponsible.
Yeah the should just get welfare and drain our country even more...:rolleyes:
tecolote
11-20-2009, 11:13 PM
I miss the PZ
I miss the PZ
You really shouldn't. It's "replacement" was about 50x more uncivil and childish and it ended up going down the tubes too. Although it was a good opportunity for many that post here to show their true colors. Personally I'm glad the old board is gone. I think ES has a political board. If you want, you can go argue that stuff with skins fans.
TheCount
11-21-2009, 12:58 AM
Single mothers shouldn't be in the military if they even have the slightest chance of going to war, way too irresponsible.
They should just put the kid through basic and ship him out as well. :laugh2:
Passepartout
11-21-2009, 01:28 AM
She should be allowed to take care of her son and delay her deployment since she just had him.
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