Lay off Lacewell people....

[The30YardSlant]

If any of you actually believe that he was responsible for the drafting of ANY of our players, EVER, you need to read up on what a scout does. Blaming him for our bad drafts is idiotic at best.....

[Juke99]

. Blaming him for our bad drafts is idiotic at best.....

I guess simply stating that you disagree wouldn't do it for ya?

:)

[FolsomCowboy]

If any of you actually believe that he was responsible for the drafting of ANY of our players, EVER, you need to read up on what a scout does. Blaming him for our bad drafts is idiotic at best.....


Then I guess we dont need him around no more anyway, since he didnt have anything to do with the draft and he was in charge of scouting and recommending personnel

[My Problem Is Obvious]

If any of you actually believe that he was responsible for the drafting of ANY of our players, EVER, you need to read up on what a scout does. Blaming him for our bad drafts is idiotic at best.....

Hey Larry....shouldn't you be looking for a job right now?

[mr.jameswoods]

If any of you actually believe that he was responsible for the drafting of ANY of our players, EVER, you need to read up on what a scout does. Blaming him for our bad drafts is idiotic at best.....

The truth is we don't know who Lacewell recommended and who Jones picked. We all know Lacewell wanted Kendrick Bell. And I remember Aikman told Jones he wanted LaFleur over Tony Gonzalez.

[Avery]

Don't think he doesn't have any clout though. He's well capable of telling his scouts 'Get another peek at Andre Gurode, he's worth a lot better look than that Portis cat from Miami.'

[dbair1967]

The truth is we don't know who Lacewell recommended and who Jones picked. We all know Lacewell wanted Kendrick Bell. And I remember Aikman told Jones he wanted LaFleur over Tony Gonzalez.

Aimman never said he preferred LaFleur over Gonzalez...he said after LaFleur's workout "we need to sign this guy"...and we didnt pick LaFleur over Gonzalez anyway, we never had that chance...oh by the way, LaFleur was rated by everyone a solid 1st rd pick

but dont let the facts get in the way of your takes :rolleyes:

David

[JBRockBottom31]

The truth is we don't know who Lacewell recommended and who Jones picked. We all know Lacewell wanted Kendrick Bell. And I remember Aikman told Jones he wanted LaFleur over Tony Gonzalez.

Gonzalez was picked #13....LaFleur #22, if Gonzalez was there at #22 he would have been a Cowboy! Aikman preferred Gonzalez but knew he wouldn't be there with Dallas' Pick!

[JBRockBottom31]

Can you believe Parcells and company were able to pick up a DT by the name of Jason Ferguson in the 7th round in that draft?? While Larry and Co. picked Omar Stoutmire 5 picks before...LMAO

[FolsomCowboy]

Can you believe Parcells and company were able to pick up a DT by the name of Jason Ferguson in the 7th round in that draft?? While Larry and Co. picked Omar Stoutmire 5 picks before...LMAO

Omar had some solid seasons with the Giants

[Waffle]

If any of you actually believe that he was responsible for the drafting of ANY of our players, EVER, you need to read up on what a scout does. Blaming him for our bad drafts is idiotic at best.....I would agree with you when it comes to what scouts do in most organizations. I happen to know for a fact that Lacewell's recommendations were heavily relied on after Jimmy left. As time wore on however, Jerry began to rely more on the opinions of certain assistant coaches rather than Lacewell's.

Why do teams have scouting departments if they don't have anything to do with drafting players? Why are so many people salivating over getting Scott Pioli or Ron Wolf if they have no say? Hmmmm.

[CaptainAmerica]

Lacewell was directly involved in the decision to draft Goodrich. If you recall, he discussed, (shortly after the pick), how his former ties with the UT program were a real help in their evaluation.

That was a wonderful pick, wasn't it?

[dbair1967]

Lacewell was directly involved in the decision to draft Goodrich. If you recall, he discussed, (shortly after the pick), how his former ties with the UT program were a real help in their evaluation.

That was a wonderful pick, wasn't it?

let it go people...its over and done with, we dont need to re-live the Dwayne Goodrich and Q Crapper drafts every day...

Lacewell hasnt made a single decision in regards to the draft in two years

David

[SALADIN]

Hey Larry....shouldn't you be looking for a job right now?

:laugh2:
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""...I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas brought out an alternate jersey in a clown style and wore it against us, clown feet and all, with funny running and catching the ball in their big pants instead of hands..." --- Redskins fan after 12/26/04 loss to Cowboys

what a crazy scene :lmao:

[CaptainAmerica]

let it go people...its over and done with, we dont need to re-live the Dwayne Goodrich and Q Crapper drafts every day...

Lacewell hasnt made a single decision in regards to the draft in two years

David

Hey man, I was just responding to the initial post. Go back and read it. I thought that was what this message board was here for. But what do I know?
:)

[Waffle]

let it go people...its over and done with, we dont need to re-live the Dwayne Goodrich and Q Crapper drafts every day...

Lacewell hasnt made a single decision in regards to the draft in two years

David
While your last statement is 100% accurate, you can't blame some people for the way they feel about Lacewell due to all those earlier drafts where he made decisions and/or recommendations.

With all due respect towards your stance on the subject, one could argue that Zimmer hasn't played a single down on defense...yet he receives a relentless and disproportionate amout of blame for most of the team's defensive woes.

[jdnalls]

If any of you actually believe that he was responsible for the drafting of ANY of our players, EVER, you need to read up on what a scout does. Blaming him for our bad drafts is idiotic at best.....
You have to be one of the worst kool-aid drinkers there has been in years.

Parcells not to blame for poor coaching this season, Zimmer isn't to blame for having a poor excuse of a D this year, Vinny isn't to blame for any of his INT's and poor play, and now you have the nerve to say Lacewell isn't to blame for any of the players being drafted.

I guess my question to you is who exactly is to blame then?

[The30YardSlant]

You have to be one of the worst kool-aid drinkers there has been in years.

Parcells not to blame for poor coaching this season, Zimmer isn't to blame for having a poor excuse of a D this year, Vinny isn't to blame for any of his INT's and poor play, and now you have the nerve to say Lacewell isn't to blame for any of the players being drafted.

I guess my question to you is who exactly is to blame then?

:banghead:

Easy: Jerry Jones, HE made our draft picks from the time JJ left to the time BP got here, HE made the personnel decisions, HE decided who played. BP was the first coach in 10 years who JJ couldnt control. Ive never liked Jerry Jones and most likely never will.

jd you have to stop making this so easy for me.

[dbair1967]

While your last statement is 100% accurate, you can't blame some people for the way they feel about Lacewell due to all those earlier drafts where he made decisions and/or recommendations.

With all due respect towards your stance on the subject, one could argue that Zimmer hasn't played a single down on defense...yet he receives a relentless and disproportionate amout of blame for most of the team's defensive woes.

I dont bash Lacewell too much because I dont know that he made the "calls" on draft dy...I know he had input, but we also know of a couple occassions where Jones went against the scouting department and chose someone else anyway...if Lacewell gives Jones advice and he ignored it, is that his fault? I doubt very seriously that Lacewell was pleased when Jones insisted on drafting Carter in the 2nd rd, or passing on Tony Brackens to move down for Kavika Pittman and Clay Shiver...

I just think alot of people are making a scapegoat of Lacewell when its probably true that Lacewell had very little to do with the final decisions being made here...people dont seem to realize that all Lacewell and his dept really did was create a draft board, Jones (and now Parcells) made the calls on who to select...

David

[zagnut]

If any of you actually believe that he was responsible for the drafting of ANY of our players, EVER, you need to read up on what a scout does. Blaming him for our bad drafts is idiotic at best.....

Lacewell was Director of College and Pro Scouting. All senior scouts report to him. He reports to Jerry. He's responsible for hiring and reviewing the scouting staff personnel, as well as the orgainization of said staff. He reviews most top college prospects and advises the General Manager/Team President directly. He, along with senior scouting staff, the General Manager, and usually the Head Coach slot players accordingly prior to the draft. He also performs comparable duties in the review of NFL players, CFL players, NFL Europe players, etc. If he did none of these jobs, what did he do?

If his hires are assigning scouting reports and grades that were bizarrely out of whack with the rest of the league, resulting in the consistent use of high-round picks on mid-round talent and mid-round picks on low-round/free agent talent, it's most likely on his neck.

If pro free agents are consistently overvalued in terms of ability, it's likely on him.

If scouts are disorganized, or uninvolved, or not even present -- all of which have often been reported at nearly every college all-star game and even the Combine post Jimmy and pre Bill -- it's likely on him.

Just because Jerry wears the same title as Ron Wolf or Ozzie Newsome doesn't mean he has the same abilities, responsibilities, or role within his organization. Lacewell is culpable. Not 100%, but he is. Suggesting such is the farthest thing from idiotic.

[2233boys]

I remember Aikman told Jones he wanted LaFleur over Tony Gonzalez.


Really?

No way, I never heard that before. If that is so, Troy needs a swift kick in the arse. :banghead: