TO looking like a declining player....

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Smart move Jerry letting him go.

We don't need the distractions that a 36 y/o WR with a declining skill set brings.

[stilltheguru]

Smart move Jerry letting him go.

We don't need the distractions that a 36 y/o WR with a declining skill set brings.


Lol. It's just hatred talking man.

[miamicowboy21]

Im glad he did good today. I hate the dolphins.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814924e3/Owens-51-yd-TD

[Rampage]

dude, he disrespected this team so many times. amazing how people still wish he was here.

[guag]

dude, he disrespected this team so many times. amazing how people still wish he was here.

Exactly... whether or not he still has amazing skills, it just isn't worth the locker room distractions that he brings with him... Trust me, just like clockwork he will start to self-destruct in about about another year or two in Buffalo.

[fannypack]

LOL, TO still being TO. How can you really be excited to be on a losing football team.

[mldardy]

Smart move Jerry letting him go.

We don't need the distractions that a 36 y/o WR with a declining skill set brings.
Give it up already dude. TO on this team would be a big time distraction. He is right where he belongs with a sorry *** team where no one cares about him. Well except you.

[stilltheguru]

LOL, TO still being TO. How can you really be excited to be on a losing football team.


You can't be serious with that BS you just typed.:rolleyes: He is playing a game that he loves and he can't be happy? Get real

[khiladi]

dude, he disrespected this team so many times. amazing how people still wish he was here.

as fans, we disrespect Garrett all the time..

[stilltheguru]

Love the Joey Porter celebration too. Love that guy!

[The Panch]

dude, he disrespected this team so many times. amazing how people still wish he was here.
Exactly. He's a selfish punk who never learned his lesson, and we dont have the coaching staff or the QB capable of handling him, so it's better he got to steppin.

[rynochop]

You can't be serious with that BS you just typed.:rolleyes: He is playing a game that he loves and he can't be happy? Get real

Well, see, the thing is he's more happy being on a crappy team and getting the ball (well the last couple weeks at least) than being on a good team and only getting the ball a little. Its not hard to see that. He would not at all be happy with Austin.

[coogrfan]

Why are we even talking about this guy?

[Rustinpeace21]

Why are we even talking about this guy?



because the OP thinks the only good players in the NFL are Brady Quinn and TO....imagine they were on the same team??!!?

[BraveHeartFan]

Yeah it would be so much nicer having TO here so that Austin could still be sitting on the bench every week. That would be an awesome trade off.

[Heisenberg]

because the OP thinks the only good players in the NFL are Brady Quinn and TO....imagine they were on the same team??!!?

And boy, did Brady Quinn look good today. :D

[SaltwaterServr]

And boy, did Brady Quinn look good today. :D

I think the OP has a tube sock with Quinn's photo on it. Just sayin'...

NTTAWWT

[Hostile]

Smart move Jerry letting him go.

We don't need the distractions that a 36 y/o WR with a declining skill set brings.It was a genius move. This team is now focused on football not appeasing a prima donna. We are 8-3 and would not be if he was here still pretending he is the belle of the ball. Miles Austin is playing infinitely better than he was and is.

8-3 Dallas Cowboys > the TO Wah-mbulance.

[Rampage]

he's happy now that he's getting the ball. nevermind the fact that the team still sucks and continues to lose. as long as he gets the ball......

[BraveHeartFan]

he's happy now that he's getting the ball. nevermind the fact that the team still sucks and continues to lose. as long as he gets the ball......

What? No way. TO is so great that he makes teams into Championship teams. Didn't you know that?

[Hook'em#11]

dude, he disrespected this team so many times. amazing how people still wish he was here.

Never wanted that POS here, and never would want him here. There has been a lot of crap that Jerry has done that I haven't liked, but, when this puke was signed, I swear, lord forgive me. I thought my days as a fan were over.

No? Is that wrong? Am I "not a fan" because of that? LOL

Let me show something, or, shall I say "remind" you T-blow hards that defend this guy while wearing the Dallas uniform. Because, I am quite sure not a damn soul in here was a fan of this puke before hand. If you were, well, that is unreal.

Especially after this crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URaBENN4sFo


Now , if after that you can still like this jerk. So be it. NEVER will or should any Cowboys fan.


Thank god for Teague, atleast he had the balls to stand up to this crap.

[stilltheguru]

Since he has gotten the ball their offense doesn't look like stir-fried garbo. What do y'all want from dude? Want him to have a sad look on his face everytime he scores? You guys hate to see that guy happy. That is sad

[Rampage]

Since he has gotten the ball their offense doesn't look like stir-fried garbo. What do y'all want from dude? Want him to have a sad look on his face everytime he scores? You guys hate to see that guy happy. That is sad
so is your love for a player who disrespected "your favorite team" as a 49er, Eagle and a Cowboy.

[SLATEmosphere]

Miles Austin is better than TO

The thing is..Miles isn't a loud mouth piece of **** that overtakes a huddle.

[DaBoys4Life]

Miles Austin is better than TO

The thing is..Miles isn't a loud mouth piece of **** that overtakes a huddle.

Miles Austin is having a better season than TO. However to say that Miles Austin is better than a HoF WR is simply ludicrous.

[Big Dakota]

Miles Austin is having a better season than TO. However to say that Miles Austin is better than a HoF WR is simply ludicrous.
So Brooking isn't better than Dick Butkis? Where does it end, the grave?

[thechosen1n2]

It was a genius move. This team is now focused on football not appeasing a prima donna. We are 8-3 and would not be if he was here still pretending he is the belle of the ball. Miles Austin is playing infinitely better than he was and is.

8-3 Dallas Cowboys > the TO Wah-mbulance.

There you go spewing minutia Hostile. We came to some sort of stalemate on this subject but now you trippin. We would be every bit of 8-3 with TO if not better. T0/Miles Miles/TO (however you want to put it >>>>>> miles/roy.

PS...Miles is playing infinitely better because Miles has a better QB. Funny How a new coach and qb that throws the ball instead of checking down reveals a mans ability. The one thing about a receiver...it takes a capable qb to get him the ball. Jerry Rice would suck if Clint Steorner was his qb.

[Joe Realist]

This is not about production. Can Owens still play. Sure at times he still can. It is all about the locker room effect. I can't believe some guys still dont get it. Imagine a co-worker at your job. He is great at what he does but he always tries to buck the system, spreads rumors behind your back, forces mgt to placate him. In the end, it doesn't work. I have seen successful people shown the door because their " talent " was not worth the turmoil. This is non-issue, well at least until particular Cowboys attend T.O.'s birthdaty party which must be coming up soon.:rolleyes:

[coogrfan]

Since he has gotten the ball their offense doesn't look like stir-fried garbo. What do y'all want from dude? Want him to have a sad look on his face everytime he scores? You guys hate to see that guy happy. That is sad

I don't "hate" that TO looks happy, I just don't give a darn. He's no longer our problem.

[thechosen1n2]

I don't "hate" that TO looks happy, I just don't give a darn. He's no longer our problem.

He wasnt a problem here at all. He wasnt a problem until Ed Werder said he hated the beloved Jason Witten. Thats when the city and the fans turned on him. TO is gone, and so be it, but he was not a problem in Dallas.

[Hoofbite]

He wasnt a problem here at all. He wasnt a problem until Ed Werder said he hated the beloved Jason Witten. Thats when the city and the fans turned on him. TO is gone, and so be it, but he was not a problem in Dallas.

TO was a sideshow from day one. Blaming it on Werder is a joke. Every year TO made himself a story.

He behaved better than I expected but was still a turd.

[Hostile]

There you go spewing minutia Hostile. We came to some sort of stalemate on this subject but now you trippin. We would be every bit of 8-3 with TO if not better. T0/Miles Miles/TO (however you want to put it >>>>>> miles/roy.

PS...Miles is playing infinitely better because Miles has a better QB. Funny How a new coach and qb that throws the ball instead of checking down reveals a mans ability. The one thing about a receiver...it takes a capable qb to get him the ball. Jerry Rice would suck if Clint Steorner was his qb.No, I don't agree with that at all. This team is accomplishing what they are because the attitude has changed. If it hadn't they would not be 8-3. No way, no shape, no how.

He needed to be gone, is gone, and we are better for it.

[Rampage]

He wasnt a problem here at all. He wasnt a problem until Ed Werder said he hated the beloved Jason Witten. Thats when the city and the fans turned on him. TO is gone, and so be it, but he was not a problem in Dallas.
so why is Jerry paying him 9 million dollars right now to play for another team?

[McCordsville Cowboy]

There you go spewing minutia Hostile. We came to some sort of stalemate on this subject but now you trippin. We would be every bit of 8-3 with TO if not better. T0/Miles Miles/TO (however you want to put it >>>>>> miles/roy.

PS...Miles is playing infinitely better because Miles has a better QB. Funny How a new coach and qb that throws the ball instead of checking down reveals a mans ability. The one thing about a receiver...it takes a capable qb to get him the ball. Jerry Rice would suck if Clint Steorner was his qb.


Great observations!
:starspin

[SaltwaterServr]

Great observations!
:starspin

Yet TO's production looked like crap last season. 8 games, half the season, with under 40 yards of receiving. He's done, and Quinn will never be. :laugh2:

[dbair1967]

Miles Austin is having a better season than TO. However to say that Miles Austin is better than a HoF WR is simply ludicrous.

He never said Miles Austin would have, or is having a better carrer. He was saying Miles Austin is better than TO is right now, which is true.

[dbair1967]

[QUOTE]We would be every bit of 8-3 with TO if not better.

Sure we would. Not

PS...Miles is playing infinitely better because Miles has a better QB. Funny How a new coach and qb that throws the ball instead of checking down reveals a mans ability. The one thing about a receiver...it takes a capable qb to get him the ball. Jerry Rice would suck if Clint Steorner was his qb

While true, you dont address the fact that other than one game Romo's decision making this yr has been infinitely better. Why? Because he doesnt have a time bomb of a WR yelling at him, the offensive coordinator and the owner every chance he gets that "I need the ball". Alot of Romo's picks from 06-08 were on plays where he forced the ball to Owens, regardless of what coverage the opponent was in. We dont see that anywhere near as much now.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Why are we even talking about this guy?

Look at me disorder by the OP.

[zrinkill]

He's done, and Quinn will never be. :laugh2:


This^

[BraveHeartFan]

Wait now it's cause Miles has a good QB? That's funny cause most of you TO backers always say, and try to claim, that Tony was only good cause of TO.

So which is it? Was it that TO makes bad QBs good? If that's the case then why hasn't he done that all year in Buffalo?

If it's that Tony was always a good QB then why does he need TO? We're in position to have every bit as good, if not better, a season as a team then we had when TO was yet you're trying to proclaim that this team would be better?

Heres the thing on that whole TO/Austin thing. If TO was here Austin WOULD NOT be starting. He WOULD NOT be any more than the #4 WR cause there is no way he would have been given spots over Crayton and Roy with TO here.

With TO here Austin would still be in the 4th spot getting spot duty on the field as a WR. Dallas is better off this year, and going forward, with TO gone and a 25 year old Miles Austin in the starting line up.

There is no way, at all, to make any claim that we'd be better, or would win championships, with TO. It didn't happen when he was here, or for any other team he's ever been part of for that matter, and it wouldn't do us any good to have an old TO here, keeping a much younger Austin on the bench.

[thechosen1n2]

No, I don't agree with that at all. This team is accomplishing what they are because the attitude has changed. If it hadn't they would not be 8-3. No way, no shape, no how.

He needed to be gone, is gone, and we are better for it.

If we see 13-3 I will believe that...

that being said i hope we see 13-3 and 4 playoff games.

[thechosen1n2]

Wait now it's cause Miles has a good QB? That's funny cause most of you TO backers always say, and try to claim, that Tony was only good cause of TO.

So which is it? Was it that TO makes bad QBs good? If that's the case then why hasn't he done that all year in Buffalo?

If it's that Tony was always a good QB then why does he need TO? We're in position to have every bit as good, if not better, a season as a team then we had when TO was yet you're trying to proclaim that this team would be better?

Heres the thing on that whole TO/Austin thing. If TO was here Austin WOULD NOT be starting. He WOULD NOT be any more than the #4 WR cause there is no way he would have been given spots over Crayton and Roy with TO here.

With TO here Austin would still be in the 4th spot getting spot duty on the field as a WR. Dallas is better off this year, and going forward, with TO gone and a 25 year old Miles Austin in the starting line up.

There is no way, at all, to make any claim that we'd be better, or would win championships, with TO. It didn't happen when he was here, or for any other team he's ever been part of for that matter, and it wouldn't do us any good to have an old TO here, keeping a much younger Austin on the bench.

Im not in that catergory. I think they were good for each other.

[thechosen1n2]

He never said Miles Austin would have, or is having a better carrer. He was saying Miles Austin is better than TO is right now, which is true.

Not entirely true. Miles is in a much better situation.

[dbair1967]

Not entirely true. Miles is in a much better situation.

Owens was here last yr, and Austin is playing eons better than Owens did last yr.

Owens is a run of the mill NFL player now with absolutely no upside. The right decision was made, and we're a better team because of it.

[dadymat]

Not entirely true. Miles is in a much better situation.

but T.O. was in the better situation last season and now they are both in the situation they put themselves in.....

[Hostile]

If we see 13-3 I will believe that...

that being said i hope we see 13-3 and 4 playoff games.13-3 means I am right, but 12-4 wouldn't?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

2009 team w/o Owens is better than the 2008 team w/ Owens. The main reason they are, no distractions. Main reason he was let go, distractions. It's really just that simple.

[Apollo Creed]

Real talk, Owens at 36 is much much better than Roy Williams.

Doesn't mean he's worth the distractions, but in terms of production, talent, and playmaking ability he's better than Roy even at his age.

In his prime Owens was literally twice as good as Roy, more real talk.

Just sayin.

[casmith07]

This thread...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1166/1454018245_5986b5e6c1.jpg

[Joe Realist]

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When:
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Which Cowboys will be staying in NY for the par-teh!?!?!

[thechosen1n2]

13-3 means I am right, but 12-4 wouldn't?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

2009 team w/o Owens is better than the 2008 team w/ Owens. The main reason they are, no distractions. Main reason he was let go, distractions. It's really just that simple.

come on hos...the 2009 team is better b/c Romo has not been hurt for 4 games. There is less distractions because no one is predicting superbowl before the season started and having cameras everywhere filming hardknocks. This Team is better b/c Free has filled in nicely on the right side, something that would not have happen last year. This team is better b/c Romo is not turning the ball over at an astronomical rate...the games he did we lost.

TO is not the end all be all but he blaming him for last years failures are ridiculous. A million injuries, and we missed the playoffs by 1 game. Not to mention Romo wasnt right when he came back. We at least win two more games with out all that, and if that happens no one is talking about a TO distraction problem. You can dispute that if you want to but everyone knows there is no untruth stated here.

Im not saying TO is the end all be all, but I say again he was not the problem last year.

[Rampage]

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Black Book Red Carpet Events along with Tali Gore, "The Host of NY" Present "Terrell Owens Birthday Celebration"

NFL top wide receiver Terrell Owens will celebrate his birthday this year in New York. A six-time Pro Bowl selection, and holder of the league single-game reception record, Owens has been one of the dominant receivers of his era. The event will be attended by several NFL stars including some of his current and past teammates, a few celebrities and much more. Past guests include: Will Smith, Jamie Fox, Serena Williams, Michael Jordan, Paris Hilton, Jessica Simpson, Gabrielle Union, Vivica A. Fox, Jill Marie Jones, Elise Neal, Tasha Smith, Ludacris, Common, Tyrese, Brandy, Musiq Soulchild, Dougie Fresh, Deion Sanders, Michael Irvin, Tony Romo, Marion Barber and Roy Williams.

When:
Monday, December 7, 2009
Doors Open @ 10pm

Where:
M2 Ultra Lounge (Formerly known as Mansion)
530 W. 28th Street, New York NY

Music by:
DJ Clue and DJ Self

Note: Pre-sale tickets or VIP table reservations strongly suggested for guaranteed admission.

Bottle Service RSVP: phone 212.629.9000
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Which Cowboys will be staying in NY for the par-teh!?!?!

I wonder if Romo will be there

[SaltwaterServr]

I wonder if Romo will be there

Sure! Everyone likes to see a train wreck, as long as nobody gets hurt.

[ScipioCowboy]

If we actually examine TO's production over the past two seasons -- rather than anecdotally extracting only the last two games -- we see that TO is clearly in decline.

Regardless of his attitude, his production simply didn't warrant his contract.

Oh, and before you wisenheimers play the Roy Williams card, let me ask you this: Would you want two overpaid receivers on the roster? At least Roy is still in his 20s.

[stilltheguru]

If we actually examine TO's production over the past two seasons -- rather than anecdotally extracting only the last two games -- we see that TO is clearly in decline.

Regardless of his attitude, his production simply didn't warrant his contract.

Oh, and before you wisenheimers play the Roy Williams card, let me ask you this: Would you want two overpaid receivers on the roster? At least Roy is still in his 20s.



You see that he is clearly in decline. Don't talk for me and the rest of us guy.

[BrAinPaiNt]

You see that he is clearly in decline. Don't talk for me and the rest of us guy.

He gave you too much credit. He figured you had eyes and a brain.:laugh2:

[BAZ]

OMG Tony and Jessica will be there!!!!!!!!!

I hope they get back together, they made a lovely couple.

[DallasEast]

This thread...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1166/1454018245_5986b5e6c1.jpg
The same can be said of every pro-Terrell Owens created thread since March 2006.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

If we actually examine TO's production over the past two seasons -- rather than anecdotally extracting only the last two games -- we see that TO is clearly in decline.

Regardless of his attitude, his production simply didn't warrant his contract.

Oh, and before you wisenheimers play the Roy Williams card, let me ask you this: Would you want two overpaid receivers on the roster? At least Roy is still in his 20s.


Wrong. Your hate blinds you. He put up all-pro numbers while he was here and was worth the money.

You would rather have an overpaid WR in his 20's who sucks over an "overpaid" WR at 36 who doesn't. Good thing you aren't running a team. They would call for your head.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wrong. Your hate blinds you. He put up all-pro numbers while he was here and was worth the money.

You would rather have an overpaid WR in his 20's who sucks over an "overpaid" WR at 36 who doesn't. Good thing you aren't running a team. They would call for your head.

I would not want either as one sucks and the other is on the decline and a team cancer.

The thing that the TO lovers just don't grasp is, just because people are glad TO is gone, it does not mean they like Roy Williams or think Roy Williams is good.

TO is on the decline and combine that with him being a team cancer he was not worth his contract.

Now we don't have to constantly force the ball to one WR so they don't have a temper tantrum and create a boat load of turn overs just to satisfy his ego.

The ball gets spread around. Just because Roy Williams sucks and is overpaid it does not make it ok to want TO back when the team is just as good in some areas and MUCH better in other areas with him gone.

TO is gone and no amount of your whining and attention trolling will make a difference...get over it or at the very least be consistent and not wait until about the half way point before you start spouting off on the greatness of TO when he finally has a decent game or two for the season.

Your incessant whining and trolling is old.

[Hostile]

come on hos...the 2009 team is better b/c Romo has not been hurt for 4 games. There is less distractions because no one is predicting superbowl before the season started and having cameras everywhere filming hardknocks. This Team is better b/c Free has filled in nicely on the right side, something that would not have happen last year. This team is better b/c Romo is not turning the ball over at an astronomical rate...the games he did we lost.

TO is not the end all be all but he blaming him for last years failures are ridiculous. A million injuries, and we missed the playoffs by 1 game. Not to mention Romo wasnt right when he came back. We at least win two more games with out all that, and if that happens no one is talking about a TO distraction problem. You can dispute that if you want to but everyone knows there is no untruth stated here.

Im not saying TO is the end all be all, but I say again he was not the problem last year.
No sale.

This team is better and chemistry is definitely a big factor. The drama factor is gone. Miles is out producing what TO gave us last year.

He is not missed. In 2008 he was way below his par of 2006 and 2008. He was a player on the decline and no longer worth the contract or the baggage.

[Hostile]

Wrong. Your hate blinds you. He put up all-pro numbers while he was here and was worth the money.

You would rather have an overpaid WR in his 20's who sucks over an "overpaid" WR at 36 who doesn't. Good thing you aren't running a team. They would call for your head.In 2006 and 2007? You bet he did.

In 2008? No sir.

The guy is an albatross. Good riddance.

[zrinkill]

Your incessant whining and trolling is old.

:popcorn:

[BraveHeartFan]

I think some forget that a few of those interceptions Romo threw happened when trying to force passes to TO. That's one of the nice factors this year, that has allowed him to cut down on those mistakes, is that he doesn't feel the need to keep on WR completely happy and thus doesn't just force things to anyone to try and get them involved.

TO was a fantastic player here. He's been a fantastic player for his career. He's not what he used to be but he still makes some plays for Buffalo.

I loved watching the guy play. As much as anyone. I still do love watching him play on the rare occassion I get a Buffalo game here.

But all that said the guy is all about himself. Where as Roy is happy the team won a game, when he only gets 2 catches for 15 yards and a TD, TO would have been PISSED OFF that he didn't have 8 catches for 115 yards and 2 TDs.

TO wants to win, and I think most people see that, but TO doesn't want to win at the expense of his own personal numbers. If you gave the guy the choice of a season where he had 85 catches for 1300 yards and 13 TDs but the team didn't win the Superbowl and a season where he maybe only catches 60 passes for 1050 yards an 8 TDs but the team won the Superbowl he's going to take the bigger number season everytime.

People will debate that but he's shown it with his complaining and actions on more than one occassion in the past. If he's not the central focus of an offense he's incredibly unhappy and voices that unhappiness.

Teams don't need that sort of junk. If TO could have ever just learned to keep his mouth shut, and not say everything he felt, and more importantly realise that even on times when he wasn't trying to be a distraction that the best thing for him was to not speak cause the media would try and make him into one, then he'd have been just fine.

He'd still be here catching passes from Tony Romo instead of freezing in Buffalo and hoping that Ryan Fitzpatrick can continue to get him the ball.

TO is a great football player. One of the best WR's ever. But TO is also his own worst enemy and it cost him being in Dallas.

[thechosen1n2]

In 2006 and 2007? You bet he did.

In 2008? No sir.

The guy is an albatross. Good riddance.

We get it you are glad he is gone but dont ignore the facts. Witten was our leading receiver last year, and his numbers were down from the previous year, along with TOs, Craytons, and we wont even discuss Roy Williams. QB play, and play calling had been caught up with. A decline in all would point to the fact that its not just the decline of one receiver.

You are right about one thing though...TO would not be worth another contract.

[ScipioCowboy]

Wrong. Your hate blinds you.

Dude. It's football. It doesn't provide sufficient reason to hate anybody.

He put up all-pro numbers while he was here and was worth the money.

You would rather have an overpaid WR in his 20's who sucks over an "overpaid" WR at 36 who doesn't. Good thing you aren't running a team. They would call for your head.

Past tense.

He doesn't put up all-pro numbers anymore. Having had all-pro numbers at some point in the past is not the sole prerequisite for signing someone to a huge contract. If it were, why not sign Jerry Rice? Heck, let's see what Drew Pearson is doing; after all, he was all-pro at one point.

[ScipioCowboy]

I would not want either as one sucks and the other is on the decline and a team cancer.

The thing that the TO lovers just don't grasp is, just because people are glad TO is gone, it does not mean they like Roy Williams or think Roy Williams is good.

TO is on the decline and combine that with him being a team cancer he was not worth his contract.

Now we don't have to constantly force the ball to one WR so they don't have a temper tantrum and create a boat load of turn overs just to satisfy his ego.

The ball gets spread around. Just because Roy Williams sucks and is overpaid it does not make it ok to want TO back when the team is just as good in some areas and MUCH better in other areas with him gone.

TO is gone and no amount of your whining and attention trolling will make a difference...get over it or at the very least be consistent and not wait until about the half way point before you start spouting off on the greatness of TO when he finally has a decent game or two for the season.

Your incessant whining and trolling is old.

What? You don't adore Brady Quinn?:D

[BrAinPaiNt]

What? You don't adore Brady Quinn?:D

No I don't have man lust for ND QBs :laugh2:

[McCordsville Cowboy]

No I don't have man lust for ND QBs :laugh2:

Speaking of Domer studs.....

Where is Jimmy going? I would hate to see him in a Skins uniform. My guess is the Rams.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Speaking of Domer studs.....

Where is Jimmy going? I would hate to see him in a Skins uniform. My guess is the Rams.

To get a steak to put on his eye?:p: ;)

[McCordsville Cowboy]

To get a steak to put on his eye?:p: ;)


He needs it. Tried to wear the visor during the Stanford game to cover it up.

Ouch. Not sure why a ND "fan" would punch Jimmy. Should have punched the entire defense.

[joseephuss]

Speaking of Domer studs.....

Where is Jimmy going? I would hate to see him in a Skins uniform. My guess is the Rams.

Being a domer stud at QB doesn't make you ready to be a good NFL QB. Joe Montana was the last great NFL QB to come out of ND. Steve Beuerlein was a decent one, but he did not play at a high level for that long. There was a reason he played for 6 different franchises. Rick Mirer was average at best. The rest have sucked.

[mldardy]

Speaking of Domer studs.....

Where is Jimmy going? I would hate to see him in a Skins uniform. My guess is the Rams.
Who cares where he goes. He'll follow in the same line as Brady Quinn and suck.

[Hostile]

We get it you are glad he is gone but dont ignore the facts. Witten was our leading receiver last year, and his numbers were down from the previous year, along with TOs, Craytons, and we wont even discuss Roy Williams. QB play, and play calling had been caught up with. A decline in all would point to the fact that its not just the decline of one receiver.

You are right about one thing though...TO would not be worth another contract.To me the most salient fact is that we became a better team without his baggage. I appreciated what he gave us in 2006 and 2007. In 2008 he was a disaster and Jerry made the absolute right move. We are a better football team with him gone.

[Hostile]

Speaking of Domer studs.....

Where is Jimmy going? I would hate to see him in a Skins uniform. My guess is the Rams.
I heard the Redskins are very high on him.

[Cover 2]

The problem the TO people have is they don't realize the effect chemistry plays in winning games. When TO is constantly screaming at Romo to get the ball, and the FO seem to be backing him up, Romo is going to force an inordinate amount of passes to him to the detriment of the team. That caused him to throw more interceptions.

Then look at Miles Austin. Extremely talented, but he doesn't care about stats. He just wants to win. I'll take a Miles Austin over a TO any day.

[dbair1967]

Speaking of Domer studs.....

Where is Jimmy going? I would hate to see him in a Skins uniform. My guess is the Rams.

Who cares where he goes...hopefully he does go to the Deadskins

He'll be as mediocre as that other golden domer impersonating a NFL QB in Cleveland

[dbair1967]

I heard the Redskins are very high on him.

Which further confirms my thoughts on his NFL ability, err, in-ability

[Joe Realist]

How is Eldorado doing tonight?

[Joe Realist]

To me the most salient fact is that we became a better team without his baggage. I appreciated what he gave us in 2006 and 2007. In 2008 he was a disaster and Jerry made the absolute right move. We are a better football team with him gone.
Some people wont get it. They only see the " stats " on the field (which went down in 2008 anyway) and fail to realize what affect a polarizing personality can have on some and at same time how influential (not in a good way) he can be on others. He is not the ONLY reason this team has failed but our team needed to keep growing and he needed to be going.....

[Hoofbite]

I love it when people watch about 10 weeks of subpar play and then puff their chests up after a player has a good game or two.

[dbair1967]

TO is flat out ballin tonight!!!!

:rolleyes:

[Joe Realist]

TO is flat out ballin tonight!!!!

:rolleyes:
Especially that 3rd down drop

[Joe Realist]

Nice effort on deep ball, Owens

[SaltwaterServr]

Nice effort on deep ball, Owens

Again, good effort there Terrell. No effort whatsoever to adjust on that ball. He just gave Revis the interception to seal the game.

McCordsville, your horse sucks.

6 catches for 44 yards against Revis in two games. :lmao: :laugh2: :laugh1: :lmao:

[stilltheguru]

Again, good effort there Terrell. No effort whatsoever to adjust on that ball. He just gave Revis the interception to seal the game.

McCordsville, your horse sucks.

6 catches for 44 yards against Revis in two games. :lmao: :laugh2: :laugh1: :lmao:



What is Randys stats in 2 games against Revis? Guess he sucks too.

[Rampage]

MI and TR discuss TO without ever spelling it out
9:51 PM Thu, Dec 03, 2009 | Permalink
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So I'm minding my own business watching the Jets-Bills on NFL Network -- not because I want to but because my contracts says I have to -- and the halftime conversation turns to the Cowboys.

There's Michael Irvin interviewing Tony Romo and asking him what's the difference this season in his relationship with his receivers. Romo never mentioned Terrell Owens but said, "This team, If there is a difference, this team looks at themselves individually and asks, 'How can I get better? How can I improve?'...Whereas It may not have been that way across the board last year."

Then Romo added: "People support each other. When times get tough they don't turn and point fingers. Everyone asks themselves how can we do better to help the team, help turn it around. That approach has got to be the right way."

Yes, Romo was talking about Terrell Owens. The guys in the studio -- Rich Eisen, Deion Sanders and Marshall Faulk even mentioned his name.

[SaltwaterServr]

MI and TR discuss TO without ever spelling it out
9:51 PM Thu, Dec 03, 2009 | Permalink
Barry Horn/Reporter E-mail News tips

So I'm minding my own business watching the Jets-Bills on NFL Network -- not because I want to but because my contracts says I have to -- and the halftime conversation turns to the Cowboys.

There's Michael Irvin interviewing Tony Romo and asking him what's the difference this season in his relationship with his receivers. Romo never mentioned Terrell Owens but said, "This team, If there is a difference, this team looks at themselves individually and asks, 'How can I get better? How can I improve?'...Whereas It may not have been that way across the board last year."

Then Romo added: "People support each other. When times get tough they don't turn and point fingers. Everyone asks themselves how can we do better to help the team, help turn it around. That approach has got to be the right way."

Yes, Romo was talking about Terrell Owens. The guys in the studio -- Rich Eisen, Deion Sanders and Marshall Faulk even mentioned his name.

Ah, it's nice to have that particular fart out of our elevator.

[SLATEmosphere]

TO sucks and if it wasn't for his body of work he would be another JAG reciever these past 2 years.

Chris Chambers>>TO

[Hostile]

What is Randys stats in 2 games against Revis? Guess he sucks too.I didn't see him pimping Randy Moss.

9 receptions, 58 yards, 1 TD.

[ScipioCowboy]

After last night's game, the thread title could not be more accurate.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Again, good effort there Terrell. No effort whatsoever to adjust on that ball. He just gave Revis the interception to seal the game.

McCordsville, your horse sucks.

6 catches for 44 yards against Revis in two games. :lmao: :laugh2: :laugh1: :lmao:


Revis would make anyone look like a bum.

He is a stud. Good Job Revis!

[dbair1967]

Revis would make anyone look like a bum.

He is a stud. Good Job Revis!

Revis is an outstanding CB, problem is TO looks just like he did last night against virtually everybody now. Every team on TO's schedule the last 32 games or so doesnt have a Revis covering him.

TO=insignificant NFL player now

[Givincer]

To suggest who a receiver's quarterback is doesn't matter is quite profound.

Look what Randy Moss did in Oakland. Everyone said the exact same thing. Everyone except those who knew Randy Moss was playing for an awful team.

[thechosen1n2]

If we actually examine TO's production over the past two seasons -- rather than anecdotally extracting only the last two games -- we see that TO is clearly in decline.

Regardless of his attitude, his production simply didn't warrant his contract.

Oh, and before you wisenheimers play the Roy Williams card, let me ask you this: Would you want two overpaid receivers on the roster? At least Roy is still in his 20s.

the thing is you are paying them both anyway...Yes he is on the decline, but better than what we have. Would I resign him...NO, but I would not have eaten 9 mil either.

[thechosen1n2]

Its amazing to see both sides of this argument Cop Pleas and make excuses for their side.

Lovers say- Revis is a stud, he stops everybody. Revis had nothing to do with the TO drop on a critical 3rd down, because TO had beat him. Thats TOs fault and TOs fault alone.

Haters act as if that last Int was TOs fault when he had beat Revis and the ball was underthrown. Its hard to put on breaks and comeback and fight for a ball. He had gone up and faught for a ball earlier that could have been a pick.

Then everyone is so quick to point out that Romo was speaking of TO when he was talking about finger pointing, but failed to realize he could have been talking about his personal growth as well, because I recall Romo finger pointing at Garrett to the public as well. Not to mention, It was TO defending Romo from the Finger Pointing against some of you fans.

[joseephuss]

To suggest who a receiver's quarterback is doesn't matter is quite profound.

Look what Randy Moss did in Oakland. Everyone said the exact same thing. Everyone except those who knew Randy Moss was playing for an awful team.

According to some on here who think TO should not have been released also think that Romo sucks. By that rationale, keeping TO would not have mattered because Romo would not be able to get him the ball.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Its amazing to see both sides of this argument Cop Pleas and make excuses for their side.

Lovers say- Revis is a stud, he stops everybody. Revis had nothing to do with the TO drop on a critical 3rd down, because TO had beat him. Thats TOs fault and TOs fault alone.

Haters act as if that last Int was TOs fault when he had beat Revis and the ball was underthrown. Its hard to put on breaks and comeback and fight for a ball. He had gone up and faught for a ball earlier that could have been a pick.

Then everyone is so quick to point out that Romo was speaking of TO when he was talking about finger pointing, but failed to realize he could have been talking about his personal growth as well, because I recall Romo finger pointing at Garrett to the public as well. Not to mention, It was TO defending Romo from the Finger Pointing against some of you fans.


Excellent Post.

[dbair1967]

To suggest who a receiver's quarterback is doesn't matter is quite profound.

Look what Randy Moss did in Oakland. Everyone said the exact same thing. Everyone except those who knew Randy Moss was playing for an awful team.

Most of Moss' problems in Oakland were from total lack of effort, and its why they got basically nothing in return via trade. Nobody wanted him because he was a dog, and everbody could see it.

[joseephuss]

Most of Moss' problems in Oakland were from total lack of effort, and its why they got basically nothing in return via trade. Nobody wanted him because he was a dog, and everbody could see it.

You could see some of that Monday night against the Saints.

[tyke1doe]

Its amazing to see both sides of this argument Cop Pleas and make excuses for their side.

Lovers say- Revis is a stud, he stops everybody. Revis had nothing to do with the TO drop on a critical 3rd down, because TO had beat him. Thats TOs fault and TOs fault alone.

Haters act as if that last Int was TOs fault when he had beat Revis and the ball was underthrown. Its hard to put on breaks and comeback and fight for a ball. He had gone up and faught for a ball earlier that could have been a pick.

Then everyone is so quick to point out that Romo was speaking of TO when he was talking about finger pointing, but failed to realize he could have been talking about his personal growth as well, because I recall Romo finger pointing at Garrett to the public as well. Not to mention, It was TO defending Romo from the Finger Pointing against some of you fans.

Great post.

I'm not T.O. fan, but you'd have to be Gumby to be running full speed and readjust to an underthrown ball the way people expected T.O. to do on that last Revis interception.

But T.O. clearly isn't the receiver he used to be, and the long 51-yard pass was basically a surprise play when Miami thought the Bills would run out the clock on the ground.

[dbair1967]

You could see some of that Monday night against the Saints.

Yep...it was pretty apparent...there was another game on this yr where you could see him dogging it and sulking etc etc...cant remember which one it was but it was earlier in the season

[khiladi]

I'd still take Randy Moss, despite his 'sulking'....

[BraveHeartFan]

I'd still take Randy Moss, despite his 'sulking'....


So would i. I would have LOVED to have made that 4th round deal for him when Oakland traded him. I'd have swooped in and offered a 2nd or 3rd to get him before New England could.

[thechosen1n2]

So would i. I would have LOVED to have made that 4th round deal for him when Oakland traded him. I'd have swooped in and offered a 2nd or 3rd to get him before New England could.

So you would rather have a guy that quits b/c his team is not good than one that fusses and hates losing....I hate randy moss b/c Randy moss with his abilities should be unquestionably the best wideout ever. And hes not because he a quitter. I have no respect for people like him and shaq. B/c as great as they are, they could have been the greatest if they had the work ethic of Kobe, MJ, or Michael Irvin.

[Rampage]

So you would rather have a guy that quits b/c his team is not good than one that fusses and hates losing....I hate randy moss b/c Randy moss with his abilities should be unquestionably the best wideout ever. And hes not because he a quitter. I have no respect for people like him and shaq. B/c as great as they are, they could have been the greatest if they had the work ethic of Kobe, MJ, or Michael Irvin.
even when he's not giving 100% he's still better than Owens. his hands are 10x better than T.O.'s too.

[thechosen1n2]

even when he's not giving 100% he's still better than Owens. his hands are 10x better than T.O.'s too.

His hands are better than owens for sure....No argument there, but I think TO has more TDs since 2000 than anyone, so I would not exactly say hes better. I think they are what and what depending what you are looking for. I think your statement should say his hands are 10x better, and and his more naturally gifted. Strangely there numbers are very similar. Exactly why I hate moss. I will take a dude that despises losing than a guy that quits on his team. Moss ended up leaving Minnesota b/c he couldnt get along with culpepper.

[Rampage]

His hands are better than owens for sure....No argument there, but I think TO has more TDs since 2000 than anyone, so I would not exactly say hes better. I think they are what and what depending what you are looking for. I think your statement should say his hands are 10x better, and and his more naturally gifted. Strangely there numbers are very similar. Exactly why I hate moss. I will take a dude that despises losing than a guy that quits on his team. Moss ended up leaving Minnesota b/c he couldnt get along with culpepper.

T.O. left Philly and Dallas cause he couldn't get along with McNabb and Romo:lmao:

[Hostile]

His hands are better than owens for sure....No argument there, but I think TO has more TDs since 2000 than anyone, so I would not exactly say hes better. I think they are what and what depending what you are looking for. I think your statement should say his hands are 10x better, and and his more naturally gifted. Strangely there numbers are very similar. Exactly why I hate moss. I will take a dude that despises losing than a guy that quits on his team. Moss ended up leaving Minnesota b/c he couldnt get along with culpepper.LaDanian Tomlinson has more since he arrived in 2001 than Owens has in his career which began in 1996.

[thechosen1n2]

T.O. left Philly and Dallas cause he couldn't get along with McNabb and Romo:lmao:


I think you missed the point Rampage. Thats why you and others cant stand TO because he causes issues on the team. Moss did the same, and hes a quitter unless his situation is ideal.

[thechosen1n2]

LaDanian Tomlinson has more since he arrived in 2001 than Owens has in his career which began in 1996.

I said anyone, but i meant receivers. I stand corrected since i did not say what I meant.

[Hostile]

I said anyone, but i meant receivers. I stand corrected since i did not say what I meant.Oh.

Owens has 112 since 2000.

Moss has 115 since 2000.

Owens has 142 since arriving in 1996.

Moss has 143 since arriving in 1998.

[Rampage]

I think you missed the point Rampage. Thats why you and others cant stand TO because he causes issues on the team. Moss did the same, and hes a quitter unless his situation is ideal.
exactly! why do you like that moron?

[thechosen1n2]

exactly! why do you like that moron?

I dont like him or dislike him as a person, i dont know him. I do like his passion. I do like his work ethic, and I LOVE the DALLAS COWBOYS. The reason I defend him is I think he caught a bad wrap last year. I feel the team, the city, the media needed someone to blame for last years failures, and he was the easy choice. TO was no worse last year than he was in year 1 and 2. Earlier in the year everyone was commending him for his hustle, and blocking. I think TO was essential (not necessary) but essential in the success and growth of Romo. I feel even with his decline (he still had 10 tds with Romo gone for 3 games and not healthy for the remainder) he still opened the field up for Witten. So in essence I feel like we lost out in two places. Miles is a pleasant suprise and has put up numbers, but all the attention is on witten. They could not do that with TO, even in his decline. There is more but you catch my drift.

[thechosen1n2]

Oh.

Owens has 112 since 2000.

Moss has 115 since 2000.

Owens has 142 since arriving in 1996.

Moss has 143 since arriving in 1998.

Thanks for looking the exact stats, I was going from memory, but this proves my point. Since 2000 their numbers are very similar which I said earlier. Moss should be better than everybody by a long shot....EVER, including Rice. So yeah I hate his quitting worse than I hate TOs emotions. I think you could win with a team full of TOs more than a team full of Mosses.

[Hostile]

Thanks for looking the exact stats, I was going from memory, but this proves my point. Since 2000 their numbers are very similar which I said earlier. Moss should be better than everybody by a long shot....EVER, including Rice. So yeah I hate his quitting worse than I hate TOs emotions. I think you could win with a team full of TOs more than a team full of Mosses.Teams can't win it all with one TO. I don't see how a team full of drama could.

[thechosen1n2]

Teams can't win it all with one TO. I don't see how a team full of drama could.

So it was TOs fault McNabb Choked in the bowl...It was TOs fault that Crayton quit on the winning TD and dropped another that would have been a TD.

That is not a fair nor true statement. Keyshawn Johnson was less of a team player than TO ever has been in Tampa Bay and they won. What about the running back that was a long time Bengal that ended up with the Patriots, he was perceived as a team cancer as well. Just look how many people on Eagles and Cowboys that said TO was nothing but a help to them. TO only has a problem when you act as if it doesnt matter, and McNabb and Romo both can come off that way. That being said, TO is terrible at expressing what he means.

[Hostile]

So it was TOs fault McNabb Choked in the bowl...It was TOs fault that Crayton quit on the winning TD and dropped another that would have been a TD.

That is not a fair nor true statement. Keyshawn Johnson was less of a team player than TO ever has been in Tampa Bay and they won. What about the running back that was a long time Bengal that ended up with the Patriots, he was perceived as a team cancer as well. Just look how many people on Eagles and Cowboys that said TO was nothing but a help to them. TO only has a problem when you act as if it doesnt matter, and McNabb and Romo both can come off that way. That being said, TO is terrible at expressing what he means.
TO has only played one season?

I wasn't aware that 1996 through 2009 is one season.

He is not a winner. He is a former fantastic football player who does not make a team better when he becomes more important in his own mind than winning, coaches, teammates, and everything else but his own selfish needs.

I am pleased with his 2006 and 2007 here, but I would never welcome him on my football team again. I think the Bills were absolutely stupid to sign him. I'd have let him rot in his own importance and misery. He has no one to blame but himself.

He's over, done, and way over rated by way too many people here. 8-3 proves it. I don't need to say anythign else. We were doomed because his production could not be replaced. It is being exceeded. Nearly every player on the Offense is playing better this year than last year.

Coincidence? That's a lot of coincidence. Too much for me to swallow.

[Shadowy329]

Nearly every player on the Offense is playing better this year than last year.



Nearly every player on the offense has a far superior version of their position compared to what Owens has to play next to as well.

Not taking away from anyone just throwing it out there.

[Hostile]

Nearly every player on the offense has a far superior version of their position compared to what Owens has to play next to as well.

Not taking away from anyone just throwing it out there.That is Owens own fault. Therefore I don't give a damn about how poor his teammates are in Buffalo. All he had to do was shut his festering gob and he couldn't. Diarrhea of the mouth.

[Rampage]

I dont like him or dislike him as a person, i dont know him. I do like his passion. I do like his work ethic, and I LOVE the DALLAS COWBOYS. The reason I defend him is I think he caught a bad wrap last year. I feel the team, the city, the media needed someone to blame for last years failures, and he was the easy choice. TO was no worse last year than he was in year 1 and 2. Earlier in the year everyone was commending him for his hustle, and blocking. I think TO was essential (not necessary) but essential in the success and growth of Romo. I feel even with his decline (he still had 10 tds with Romo gone for 3 games and not healthy for the remainder) he still opened the field up for Witten. So in essence I feel like we lost out in two places. Miles is a pleasant suprise and has put up numbers, but all the attention is on witten. They could not do that with TO, even in his decline. There is more but you catch my drift.


#1 his work ethic is so overrated. I saw that guy quit on routes or run them lazy cause he knew he wasn't gonna get the ball so many times just while he was in Dallas

#2 he was a lot worse last year than he was in his 1st 2 years here. teams jammed him at the line and he was out of the play cause his acceleration is crap now. he still has good speed once he gets going but a solid jam at the line negates that.

#3 the most overrated blocker of all wrs is Owens.

#4 his passion is what caused him to publicly throw his teammates and coaches under the bus. the guy drops more passes than any real "#1 wr" yet you never heard man up about his drops. instead he blamed everybody else.

#5 Witten leads the team in catches again. we didn't miss out on anything but more unnecessary drama and key dropped passes holding this team back.

[ScipioCowboy]

the thing is you are paying them both anyway...Yes he is on the decline, but better than what we have. Would I resign him...NO, but I would not have eaten 9 mil either.

The benefit extends beyond this season. The Cowboys absorb the cap hit this year, and have additional cap space in the next.

[thechosen1n2]

#1 his work ethic is so overrated. I saw that guy quit on routes or run them lazy cause he knew he wasn't gonna get the ball so many times just while he was in Dallas

#2 he was a lot worse last year than he was in his 1st 2 years here. teams jammed him at the line and he was out of the play cause his acceleration is crap now. he still has good speed once he gets going but a solid jam at the line negates that.

#3 the most overrated blocker of all wrs is Owens.

#4 his passion is what caused him to publicly throw his teammates and coaches under the bus. the guy drops more passes than any real "#1 wr" yet you never heard man up about his drops. instead he blamed everybody else.

#5 Witten leads the team in catches again. we didn't miss out on anything but more unnecessary drama and key dropped passes holding this team back.

1 .Once again misunderstanding...when i said he was no worse in year 3 than he was in 1 or 2, I was speaking of the what he supposed did to tear this team apart.

2. Witten still leads the team in catches, but thas now saying much, how many balls are our receivers catching, and where are all those witten catches between the hashmarks we have seen for 2 years. (not a knock on witten). Witten is still been solid, but not all world like has been.

3. The only player that is a better blocker is Roy.

4. I have have acknowledged his his hands but to put real #1 in quotes as if he wasnt one is asinine.

5. What player did he really throw under the bus last year. He had a meeting with his coach about the offense that was bogged down. Every fan saw it, you think he didnt. He went to his coach. He didnt go to the media, he didnt go to jerry, he didnt even go to wade, he went to the offensive coordinator. He followed the chain of command, and he did it privately. Since when is that wrong.

Fact- in "decline" he gave us 10 tds with terrible qb play for half of the season. Easily would have had 14 tds without romos injury and the lingering effect of the finger, as well as opening up the field for Witten to kill teams.

Fact- in 'decline" he would still be our best receiver, and if not he would be miles ahead of Roy.

Fact-Your list show syou just dont give him any credit.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

1 .Once again misunderstanding...when i said he was no worse in year 3 than he was in 1 or 2, I was speaking of the what he supposed did to tear this team apart.

2. Witten still leads the team in catches, but thas now saying much, how many balls are our receivers catching, and where are all those witten catches between the hashmarks we have seen for 2 years. (not a knock on witten). Witten is still been solid, but not all world like has been.

3. The only player that is a better blocker is Roy.

4. I have have acknowledged his his hands but to put real #1 in quotes as if he wasnt one is asinine.

5. What player did he really throw under the bus last year. He had a meeting with his coach about the offense that was bogged down. Every fan saw it, you think he didnt. He went to his coach. He didnt go to the media, he didnt go to jerry, he didnt even go to wade, he went to the offensive coordinator. He followed the chain of command, and he did it privately. Since when is that wrong.

Fact- in "decline" he gave us 10 tds with terrible qb play for half of the season. Easily would have had 14 tds without romos injury and the lingering effect of the finger, as well as opening up the field for Witten to kill teams.

Fact- in 'decline" he would still be our best receiver, and if not he would be miles ahead of Roy.

Fact-Your list show syou just dont give him any credit.

Great Post.

Funny how the homers forget Bollinger and Brad Johnson.

[Rampage]

1 .Once again misunderstanding...when i said he was no worse in year 3 than he was in 1 or 2, I was speaking of the what he supposed did to tear this team apart.

2. Witten still leads the team in catches, but thas now saying much, how many balls are our receivers catching, and where are all those witten catches between the hashmarks we have seen for 2 years. (not a knock on witten). Witten is still been solid, but not all world like has been.

3. The only player that is a better blocker is Roy.

4. I have have acknowledged his his hands but to put real #1 in quotes as if he wasnt one is asinine.

5. What player did he really throw under the bus last year. He had a meeting with his coach about the offense that was bogged down. Every fan saw it, you think he didnt. He went to his coach. He didnt go to the media, he didnt go to jerry, he didnt even go to wade, he went to the offensive coordinator. He followed the chain of command, and he did it privately. Since when is that wrong.

Fact- in "decline" he gave us 10 tds with terrible qb play for half of the season. Easily would have had 14 tds without romos injury and the lingering effect of the finger, as well as opening up the field for Witten to kill teams.

Fact- in 'decline" he would still be our best receiver, and if not he would be miles ahead of Roy.

Fact-Your list show syou just dont give him any credit.

#1 you mean like whining after he had 18 passes thrown to him? or having interviews bagging on the coaches and qbs with his "I can't throw it to myself" remark?

#2 they're catching enough that we have and 8-3 record. have you heard of Miles Austin?

#3 lol Owens has always been an average blocker at best.

#4 all i'm saying that out of the real #1 wrs his hands are the worst.

#5 he bagged on any qb throwing to him with his "I can't throw it to myself" remark. he also complained about how the passes weren't on target and complained in the deion interview about Garrett.

fact- Jam him at the line and he's out of the play

fact- his numbers are inflated due to getting more passes thrown his way than any other wr last year.

fact - he used to be a very good wr. now's an old slow accelerating wr who's the same ******* he was on his last 3 teams.

fact- he started his crap about complaining for the ball after the very 1st game with his new team.

fact- If he wanted to win as bad as you think he wouldn't of blew his chance with Philly or Dallas.

I'll give him credit he used to be a great wr. he's not anymore.

[thechosen1n2]

#1 you mean like whining after he had 18 passes thrown to him? or having interviews bagging on the coaches and qbs with his "I can't throw it to myself" remark?

#2 they're catching enough that we have and 8-3 record. have you heard of Miles Austin?

#3 lol Owens has always been an average blocker at best.

#4 all i'm saying that out of the real #1 wrs his hands are the worst.

#5 he bagged on any qb throwing to him with his "I can't throw it to myself" remark. he also complained about how the passes weren't on target and complained in the deion interview about Garrett.

fact- Jam him at the line and he's out of the play

fact- his numbers are inflated due to getting more passes thrown his way than any other wr last year.

fact - he used to be a very good wr. now's an old slow accelerating wr who's the same ******* he was on his last 3 teams.

fact- he started his crap about complaining for the ball after the very 1st game with his new team.

fact- If he wanted to win as bad as you think he wouldn't of blew his chance with Philly or Dallas.

I'll give him credit he used to be a great wr. he's not anymore.

When he said he cant throw himself the ball, was in this context. Media: How come they are not getting you the ball TO: you have to talk to the coaches and the qb, Im not throwing the ball to myself. That is not the greatest answer but it was not malicious. TO next questioned Negative questions to the point of stories being fabricated.

Thrown to 18 times that one game is very misleading...How many of those were catchable.

Even if he is an average blocker, Roy is the only one better on this team.

He used to be a GREAT receiver...he is no longer Great (as in top 10) but with good QB play he is not as bad as you think.

Jam him at the line, along with a safety helping hes out of the play, but oops Witten Just caught a 40 yard bomb between the Seems. How many of those have we seen. It used to be pick your Poison...Either TO or Witten would eat you up.

I have heard of miles. Im proud of Miles. I even said if TO was not the best (assuming Miles is better now) Miles, TO, Witten would be hard to handle.

Yes we are 8-3 (and check the boards I predicted we ould be 9-2/10-1 at this point without Owens) but that Packers game, Denver game, and the washington game we eeked out were terrible offensive games for us. We should be fighting for a bye.

I stand corrected, I thought you were saying his hands ruled him out as a true number 1, but you are right his hands are not good.

We can go back and forth, but I have a problems with both sides. I dont think he is the end all be all, but I dont think he was the problem that people make him out to be. He provided the blood that people were out for because I hopes were smashed last year. TO did a great job and gave us maximum effort while he was here. People act as if he was not good for this team. TO Romo and Witten were a great Trio. This defense, with Romo seemingly being more careful, along with Austin, and Witten...If we added Owens in the mix I think we would be in the Bowl this year.