No need to worry about WR this year

[cowboyeric8]

No need to worry about wide reciever this year IMO. Next year definitaly, but not this draft or FA. Because we still have Key and Terry who can be good for another year or two and then Morgan can hold his own at three and then Copper or Craoyton at four. And when these guys aren't open Witten is bound to be. Use the draft and FA for more must have positions like S/CB/O-Line/DE/LB but not a WR this year. Next year yes but we have much more important needs now. IMO

cowboyeric8

[Crown Royal]

No need to worry about wide reciever this year IMO. Next year definitaly, but not this draft or FA. Because we still have Key and Terry who can be good for another year or two and then Morgan can hold his own at three and then Copper or Craoyton at four. And when these guys aren't open Witten is bound to be. Use the draft and FA for more must have positions like S/CB/O-Line/DE/LB but not a WR this year. Next year yes but we have much more important needs now. IMO

cowboyeric8
I am afraid I must disagree. Both Key and Glenn are over thirty, which is not impossible to play at that age, but with each year, the odds will increase that they will get injured. And while I am high on Crayton (and not on Copper/Morgan), I don't see him as more than a 3rd WR/utility player.

We need to get a young, playmaking WR that we can plug in now, play for 8+ years, and fill in if one of the above get injured.

I think the state of the offense after Glenn's injury will help prove my point.

[Eskimo]

A couple of things to consider - you have to grab good players when theya are available even if they are not at positions of need. It is not like we have two young Pro Bowlers at WR with lots of promising kids in the wings. KJ and TG are both over 30 and will be trying to come back after serious leg injuries. Morgan was terrible during his short tenure here. Copper hasn't done much. Crayton played well when given a chance, but he wasn't given much of a chance due to Ward being active ahead of him for so much of the year.

I think we are far from set at WR. If a good one like Jerry Porter is available in FA then we should try and get him because he is young, big, fast and really coming on. If Mike Williams drops to us in the draft, we should take him because he is the sort of talent that comes around every 5 years or so.

[cowboyeric8]

I can see what your getting at but I don't know, maybe its just my want of trying to upgrade at the other positions.

We would never have had the WR problem if Parcells wouldn't of traded Bryant (my used to be favorite young Cowboy).


cowboyeric8

just on a side note, does anyone have a pic of Vinny gettin absolutely blown up by someone.

[Eskimo]

I can see what your getting at but I don't know, maybe its just my want of trying to upgrade at the other positions.

We would never have had the WR problem if Parcells wouldn't of traded Bryant (my used to be favorite yound Cowboy).



I am no fan of BP (Founder of GROPAPG movement = get rid of parcells and parcells' guys) but I do think he makes sense sometimes. One of the things he was recently commenting upon was that you sometimes just have to take players when they are available even if they won't fill your most pressing need at the time. By building a team in such a fashion you should eventually accumulate enough talented players to have put together a good team even though it was not done in the order you would have preferred (from area of greatest need first to area of least need last). That's one of the reasons I'm hopeful this offseason about getting a WR because I see a real good young one in FA (Porter) and another one in the draft (Mike Williams).

The other thing to consider is that you sometimes have to prepare for the future needs of a team a bit in advance of the need actually developing. I think it is quite plain to see that we will need a couple of new WRs at least in the next couple of years (the only guy I have hope for in the long-term is Crayton. I don't think Morgan or Copper will amount to much).

[Dale]

No need to worry about wide reciever this year IMO. Next year definitaly, but not this draft or FA. Because we still have Key and Terry who can be good for another year or two and then Morgan can hold his own at three and then Copper or Craoyton at four. And when these guys aren't open Witten is bound to be. Use the draft and FA for more must have positions like S/CB/O-Line/DE/LB but not a WR this year. Next year yes but we have much more important needs now. IMO

cowboyeric8

This might have already been addressed, but here's the problem waiting on a position like receiver because you already have a few capable, albeit older, players.

Realistically, Key and Glenn will probably be starters here for only two more seasons -- if that. If we wait until one, or both, have retired, we'll be leaving ourselves in a very dangerous position.

Typically, receivers don't come into the league and make an immediate impact. Even studs like Roy Williams don't often come in and get 1,300 yards as rookies (there have been some exceptions, granted). I think the ideal situation would be to have a rookie come in, say this season or next, and learn the ropes. The following season the player can compete for a starting job. The season after that he should be in full swing and be able to be an impact player on the team.

If we wait for two or three more years, we'll be treading that line dangerously close -- much like we did when we lost Irvin.

The other problem is, while our depth is alright when everyone is healthy, take away Keyshawn or Glenn (again) for a significant amount of time, and our receiving corps doesn't look too good. I realize young players like Copper and Crayton are here, but truthfully, a lot of teams have players like these. Until either guy makes significant strides, neither can be relied upon as a potential impact player. That hope can rest in one of them, but it can't be expected -- c'mon, both players have even been released by us this season, and no one bothered to pick them up. That, alone, isn't to say they can't progress, but to expect stardom is reaching for the sky.

It'd be nice to have a young player with playmaking ability waiting in the wings. Combine that player with Witten and Jones and this offense would have the makings of something nice (save the most important position).

[Rack Bauer]

If the best player available in the draft is a WR, we draft a WR. It's that simple.

[Nerm]

If the best player available in the draft is a WR, we draft a WR. It's that simple.


I agree. Although I think the BPA is not ALWAYS the way to go, I think it is a very good idea for positions where your starters are over 30 and/or not pro bowl players.

I don't think Porter is as great as a lot of people make him out to be. He isn't in the top 20 for yards or catches, he isnt in the top 15 for 20+ yard catches and he is about 11th in TD catches at the WR position. He sounds like a good 2nd WR and a below average #1. I think he wants good #1 wr money. I would rather draft someone, because even if we signed Porter we would still need a #1 wr from somewhere in a year or two.

[Redball Express]

No need to worry about wide reciever this year IMO. Next year definitaly, but not this draft or FA. Because we still have Key and Terry who can be good for another year or two and then Morgan can hold his own at three and then Copper or Craoyton at four. And when these guys aren't open Witten is bound to be. Use the draft and FA for more must have positions like S/CB/O-Line/DE/LB but not a WR this year. Next year yes but we have much more important needs now. IMO

cowboyeric8

Agreed. With the looming house cleaning if the 3-4 is adopted and even if it isn't, our present defense has so many holes in it, this draft will be a defensive draft for at least the first two picks and maybe our first 4.

WR is a luxury pick for this team anywhere in the top 4 picks for us. Unless the Cowboys go ahead and trade down with there 2 #1's and try to pick up additional picks in the #2 & #3 rounds to add more choices.

Then, possibly, you might see a WR chosen somewhere high, knowing they have other picks to use on other areas of need. But it would have to be a guy they rated highly who would fall to us somehow. Which is sort of unlikely.

But trading down to position themselves like that is a very doable thing IMO. They did it in order to get 2 #1's last year for this year and I see Parcells and Jones doing it again to try to multiply their picks to have as many as 4-6 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft. Not to mention the possibility of trading a guy like Glover on draft day to pick up another #2 or #3 pick to add to that total above.

Given that scenario..the needs like DL. CB, LB and OG/OT can be addressed easily. To me, the art of the draft is not in taking your #1 pick and drafting the best player available at your slot, but in being prepared to move down and get players that fit your needs and hopefully get better value.

Jimmy Johnson built the team that way draft after draft, Parcells is on his way with what he did last year and will probably do it again this year. And we'll get better overall as a result.

I think Lacewell's retirement opens the door to using this guy Ireland and his input more as he is probably more closely seeing these guys we will need to draft this year to turn the corner. By seeing, I mean actually met them, timed them, tested them. Not like Lacewell was doing it back in Valley Ranch.

So we'll see.

Later.

Parcellswaterboy

[Crown Royal]

I don't think Porter is as great as a lot of people make him out to be. He isn't in the top 20 for yards or catches, he isnt in the top 15 for 20+ yard catches and he is about 11th in TD catches at the WR position. He sounds like a good 2nd WR and a below average #1. I think he wants good #1 wr money. I would rather draft someone, because even if we signed Porter we would still need a #1 wr from somewhere in a year or two.
And all this in a vertical passing game, where a WR should flourish in at least yards.

[Eskimo]

And all this in a vertical passing game, where a WR should flourish in at least yards.

A couple of things to consider is that he really got going in the second half of the season and that Oakland team isn't very talented and had virtually no running game for most of the season.

I wouldn't give him Moss, Harrision money but if it is more like $4-5M/yr, I think we should give it some serious thought. The guy is 6.2 225 lbs 4.4 speed and puts up big TD numbers when healthy. He would be a guy who could stretch the field for us and create some nice physical mismatches against CBs.

Now if it is more than $5M/yr, we should definitely walk away. He has not definitely proved that is amongst the elites at his position yet.