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Cajuncowboy
01-08-2005, 09:19 AM
In his prime for this team for next season who would it be? I thought about this when trying to evaluate the off season moves and the draft and I slipped into fantasy land for a bit.

I thought about our secondary and thought maybe it would be one of our great D Backs. But i decided to go with Roger Staubach. A great leader. Someone who could scramble when needed and someone who was NEVER out of a game.

He would also be the best mentor for our young QBs we could ever ask for. Plus, he would make everyone around him better. I know it's fantasy but thought it would be interesting to see what everyone else thought.

Would be telling as to what we think is the biggest weakness. And no you can't vote for Landry Or that's who I would have picked.

RubyRidge
01-08-2005, 09:24 AM
I'll take Charles Haley. Even though in the mid 90's he was injured some, our recent slide started when he retired.

Next_years_Champs
01-08-2005, 09:26 AM
The Dodger! its not even close. This team needs a true leader and playmaker.

Roger was what united the 70's Cowboys teams and got them over the hump, Roger would only quit when his limp body was carried from the field. Unfortunately that happened quite often and ended his career somewhat early.

Ken
01-08-2005, 09:27 AM
No question,
Troy Aikman.

cowboyfan4life_mark
01-08-2005, 09:27 AM
I'll take Charles Haley. Even though in the mid 90's he was injured some, our recent slide started when he retired.
That's my pick also. A good pass rush can fix alot on defense.

Cbz40
01-08-2005, 09:28 AM
Roger the dodger..................period

SALADIN
01-08-2005, 09:34 AM
Matt Lehr :confused:

Midswat
01-08-2005, 09:36 AM
Troy Aikman . . .

Hostile
01-08-2005, 09:36 AM
Given today's ridiculous CB rules...Bob Hayes.

Defenses would be stretched too thin to ever properly defend everything you could throw at them.

jsond
01-08-2005, 09:42 AM
good question! based on our current team where we seem set at RB and considering our weaknesses I would have to go w/ Staubach. Haley and Deion are tied for 2nd. All those positions are big weaknesses for us right now. I know many might not agree w/ Deion being a consideration but he was simply the best cover corner..ever. Yea we all know he didnt tackle but his uncanny ability to cover anyone 1 on 1 helped our defense so much vs the run because he never needed a safety to help him.

Big Country
01-08-2005, 09:48 AM
In his prime for this team for next season who would it be? I thought about this when trying to evaluate the off season moves and the draft and I slipped into fantasy land for a bit.

I thought about our secondary and thought maybe it would be one of our great D Backs. But i decided to go with Roger Staubach. A great leader. Someone who could scramble when needed and someone who was NEVER out of a game.

He would also be the best mentor for our young QBs we could ever ask for. Plus, he would make everyone around him better. I know it's fantasy but thought it would be interesting to see what everyone else thought.

Would be telling as to what we think is the biggest weakness. And no you can't vote for Landry Or that's who I would have picked.
I was going to say Bob Lilly but as far as our QB situation, that's gotta be a no brainer... Staubach all the way

dbair1967
01-08-2005, 09:50 AM
In his prime for this team for next season who would it be? I thought about this when trying to evaluate the off season moves and the draft and I slipped into fantasy land for a bit.

I thought about our secondary and thought maybe it would be one of our great D Backs. But i decided to go with Roger Staubach. A great leader. Someone who could scramble when needed and someone who was NEVER out of a game.

He would also be the best mentor for our young QBs we could ever ask for. Plus, he would make everyone around him better. I know it's fantasy but thought it would be interesting to see what everyone else thought.

Would be telling as to what we think is the biggest weakness. And no you can't vote for Landry Or that's who I would have picked.

give me Aikman..with the rest of the stuff we have on offense we'd be lethal...Aikman's pure passing ability, mistake free play and strive for perfection would be an ideal combo with Parcells IMO...

cant go wrong with Staubach either though, both are like Ferarri's compared to what we've had the past 4 years or so...

David

CaptainAmerica
01-08-2005, 09:57 AM
If you aren't old enough to have seen Roger play in his prime, you missed out on the greatest player in Cowboy history, without question.

QB is the single toughest position to play and the QB of the Dallas Cowboys has more pressure than any other position in football. When I saw the question, without hesitation, I thought...#12 Roger Staubach!! The man was more responsible for the Boys moving from "the team that can't win the big one", to "America's Team", than any other player. He simply transcended the game and was an icon that represented everything great about the Dallas Cowboys, "America's Team". He won the Heisman Trophy, as a Junior, playing QB and is the only man to win that award and be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a QB. That says it all!

http://www.bluestarboys.com/Gallery/RStaubach%20(19).jpg

http://www.bluestarboys.com/Gallery/RStaubach%20(36).jpg

http://www.bluestarboys.com/Gallery/RStaubach%20(22).jpg

Jarv
01-08-2005, 10:08 AM
I'd take Too Tall Jones.

Remove Wiley dog and replace him with 6'9" Jones....Killer.

I would have picked one the QB's..Roger or Troy...but I actually think Henson will be the man next year so i picked a D-line guy.

BrAinPaiNt
01-08-2005, 10:14 AM
Although the idea of a great leader ala Roger or Troy comes to mind....I still think I would like to get the trenches on this team fixed....with that in mind any of these guys in their prime...

Randy White
Bob Lilly
Charles Haley

Eric Williams
Rayfied Wright

Chuck 54
01-08-2005, 10:14 AM
In his prime? I considered Charles Haley because he would be a one man pass rush who always brought pressure, but I'd have to settle on Deon Sanders...in his prime, he'd return punts for us, be the greatest coverman to ever play in the NFL no matter what the rules are, and he could strike fear in teams when we line him up on offense.

CliffnMesquite
01-08-2005, 10:16 AM
Larry Cole.

Teague31
01-08-2005, 10:17 AM
Give me Big E- RT has been a black hole ever since he left. it would also bring some much needed nastiness to the team.

Nors
01-08-2005, 10:34 AM
Troy Aikman


My second choice - Charles Haley

SALADIN
01-08-2005, 10:38 AM
And no you can't vote for Landry Or that's who I would have picked.

Tex Schram as GM, a football personnel genius.

Jersey
01-08-2005, 10:39 AM
Being that the obvious choices are taken, Aikman, Haley, Big E. I'll choose Michael Irvin. His mouth ran to fire up the team and his work ethic backed it all up. Others run their mouth to bring attention to themselves and don't walk the walk on the practice field. We need a leader like him who's work habits are respected enough to hold others accountable.

Zaxor
01-08-2005, 10:45 AM
If you think about a pass rush you think about and DE what about a DT like Randy White the man was a phenom and sacked many a QB in his day and was unblockable at times but... I do not know if that is who I would pick... Roger was GREAT and would almost garantee us a playoff spot...Bob Hayes would be an absolute terror in todays game...Haley gives great pressure off the edge... Harris and Waters (they come as one) gives brain and brawn to the secondary...but what does this team seem to lack above all else... Maybe Heart and Soul and that would be Michael Irvin... It would be I think beyond me to choose just one...but I can pick you 53 guys (and that would be hard enough) off of the old rosters and give you a Superbowl team and may have enough good players left over that I could make another Superbowl team for "TODAY'S NFL"

Zaxor

Cowboy from New York
01-08-2005, 10:50 AM
The Manster, Randy White, no more problems with the soft middle of our defense.
Although the guys who said Aikman bring up an interesting point, Parcells alway fought with Sims and *****ed at him on the sidelines for mistakes but in his prime Aikman played so mistake free so often what could BIll have rode him about? I'm sure he'd have found something.

Irving Cowboy
01-08-2005, 10:55 AM
The Manster, Randy White, no more problems with the soft middle of our defense.

No argument here...

However, I do find it amazing that no one has mentioned Emmitt Smith yet.... although I would have taken Dorsett over Smith. Something about the older Cowboys just appeals to me more, guys who with a few exceptions weren't playing for just the money.

tiller77
01-08-2005, 11:02 AM
I would have to say Aikman or Staubauch, close second would be big E.Williams and Moose.

2233boys
01-08-2005, 11:07 AM
In his prime for this team for next season who would it be? I thought about this when trying to evaluate the off season moves and the draft and I slipped into fantasy land for a bit.

I thought about our secondary and thought maybe it would be one of our great D Backs. But i decided to go with Roger Staubach. A great leader. Someone who could scramble when needed and someone who was NEVER out of a game.

He would also be the best mentor for our young QBs we could ever ask for. Plus, he would make everyone around him better. I know it's fantasy but thought it would be interesting to see what everyone else thought.

Would be telling as to what we think is the biggest weakness. And no you can't vote for Landry Or that's who I would have picked.

Randy White, Ed Jones, Irvin and Troy Aikman. We need more than just one :D

jimmy40
01-08-2005, 11:38 AM
In his prime for this team for next season who would it be? I thought about this when trying to evaluate the off season moves and the draft and I slipped into fantasy land for a bit.

I thought about our secondary and thought maybe it would be one of our great D Backs. But i decided to go with Roger Staubach. A great leader. Someone who could scramble when needed and someone who was NEVER out of a game.

He would also be the best mentor for our young QBs we could ever ask for. Plus, he would make everyone around him better. I know it's fantasy but thought it would be interesting to see what everyone else thought.

Would be telling as to what we think is the biggest weakness. And no you can't vote for Landry Or that's who I would have picked.I'd say Herschel Walker as long as Mike Lynn was GM somewhere.


The Herschel Walker Trade
It is simply referred to as "The Trade." It was the largest player trade in NFL history, and it led to a Super Bowl caliber Vikings squad being decimated, a 2-time Super Bowl champion Cowboys team being built, and Vikings GM Mike Lynn being perhaps the most hated man in the world by Vikings fans. The Trade took place on October 12, 1989. Believing the Vikings to be only a big-time RB away from winning it all, Lynn acquired Herschel Walker from the Cowboys and new owner Jerry Jones and new coach Jimmy Johnson for 5 roster players (LB Jesse Solomon, DB Issiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, DE Alex Stewart), and 6 assorted draft picks (conditional 1st & 2nd round in '90 and '91; 1st round and conditional 3rd in '92).

Nelson, upset at being traded, refused to report to the Cowboys and was traded to the San Diego Chargers, ultimately returning to the Vikings. The result of the trade to San Diego was the Vikings sending a 6th round pick in 1990 and the original conditional 2nd round pick in 1991, and the Chargers sending their 5th round pick in 1990 to Minnesota via Dallas. The Cowboys then waived DE Alex Stewart and threatened to waive other players in order to get all of the conditional draft picks. In February 1990, the Cowboys traded their 3rd and 10th round picks and their 1991 3rd rounder to the Vikings so that they could keep the 3 remaining roster players and all of the conditional draft picks. So the initial trade looked as follows:

Please, spare the details and just tell me who ended up with with our picks and who was drafted with them. Fine. Be that way, click here.

Vikings Cowboys
RB Herschel Walker LB Jesse Solomon
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) LB David Howard
San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) CB Isaac Holt
Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (21)
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47)
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158)
NOTE: Brackets () indicate Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (11)
the overall pick number. Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (40)
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71)

On April 19, 1990 Dallas traded Minnesota's 2nd pick and Kansas City's 3rd pick in 1990 to San Francisco for RB Terrence Flagler, DE Daniel Stubbs, SF 3rd round pick in 1990 and SF 11th round pick in 1990.

On April 22, 1990 (draft day), Dallas traded Minnesota's 1st pick in 1990 and SF 3rd pick in 1990 to Pittsburgh for Pitt's 1st round pick (#21 and #81 for #17) and selected RB Ambit Smith. With the #21 pick, Pittsburgh selected TE Eric Green. Minnesota picked TE Mike Jones with the #54 pick, WR Reggie Thorton with the #116 pick and WR Pat Newman with the #249 pick. San Francisco selected DT Dennis Brown with the #47 pick. Dallas traded Minnesota's 6th round pick, an 8th round pick from NE, a 9th round pick from Seattle, a 10th round pick from Indianapolis and an 11th round pick from San Francisco to the LA Raiders for LA's fifth round choice in 1990, DB Stan Smagala (#122 overall). Minnesota's 6th round pick (#158) ended up in New Orleans who selected LB James Williams (Mississippi State). San Francisco's 3rd and 11th round picks (#81 and #304 overall) ended up with New Orleans (DL Craig Veasey - Houston) and LA Raiders (RB Myron Jones from Fresno State) respectively.

On September 3, 1990 Dallas traded Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (#38 overall) and its own 5th round pick in 1991 (#105 overall) to Houston for RB Alonzo Highsmith.

On April 19, 1991 (draft) Dallas traded Minnesota's 1st pick, Dallas' 2nd, DB Ron Francis, LB David Howard and LB Eugene Lockhart to New England for New England's 1st pick (#1 overall) and selected DT Russell Maryland. With Minnesota's pick (#11 overall) New England selected OL Pat Harlow. With the #38 pick, Houston picked DB Darryl Lewis (Arizona). With Dallas' 3rd round pick (#68 overall) Minnesota selected WR Jake Reed.

On Sept. 16, 1991 Dallas traded LB Jesse Solomon to New England (who sent him to TB) for New England's 6th round pick (#149 overall) in 1992.

On April 26, 1992 (draft) Dallas traded Minnesota's 1st and 3rd round picks (#13 and #71 overall) to New England for NE 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks (#19, #37 and #104 overall). Dallas traded the #19 and #104 picks to Atlanta for Atlanta's 1st and 5th round picks (#17 and #120 overall). Dallas traded Minnesota's 2nd round pick (#40 overall) to Kansas City for 2nd and 3rd round picks (#47 and #74 overall). Dallas traded the #47, #74 picks to Washington for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick (#56 and #58 overall). Dallas traded the #56 pick to Detroit for 3rd, 4th and 9th round picks (#82, #109 and #250 overall).

In the 1992 draft Dallas selected CB Kevin Smith (#17 - Texas A&M), S Darren Woodson (#37 - Arizona State), CB Clayton Holmes (#58 - Carson Newman, OL James Brown (#82 - Virginia State), G Tom Myslinski (#109 - Tennessee), S Greg Briggs (#120 - Texas Southern), TE Fallon Wacasey (#149 - Tulsa), S Chris Hall (#250 - East Carolina). New England selected T Eugene Chung (#13 - Virginia Tech) and RB Kevin Turner (#71 - Alabama) and Kansas City selected QB Matt Blundin (#40 - Virginia) with Minnesota's original picks.

The 1992 draft completed the trade. Herschel Walker was released by the Vikings in May 1992 and was picked up by Philadelphia and eventually ended up back with the Cowboys in 1996. Mike Jones was supposed to be the replacement for Jordan but never lived up to expectations; he was waived in 1992. Thorton did not make the team, Newman was lost in Plan B (Saints). Jake Reed is still with the Vikings. The Cowboys waived Holt in 1993 (Kevin Smith took over); Highsmith, Fragler, Stubbs were disappointments and were waived after a year; the lower picks in 1992 did not make the team.

The end results of the trade after 1992: Vikings WR Jake Reed Cowboys
RB Emmitt Smith
DT Russell Maryland
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson
CB Clayton Holmes

Players selected with the actual picks traded to Dallas: 1990 1st Round (#21) TE Eric Green Pittsburgh
1990 2nd Round (#47) DT Dennis Brown San Francisco
1990 6th Round (#158) LB James Williams New Orleans
1991 1st Round (#11) OT Pat Harlow New England
1991 2nd Round (#38) DB Darryl Lewis Houston
1992 1st Round (#13) OL Eugene Chung New England
1992 2nd Round (#40) QB Matt Blundin Kansas City
1992 3rd Round (#71) RB Kevin Turner New England


Perhaps the Vikings could've salvaged something out of having decimated their team for one player (particularly their defense), but Walker was never used properly by the coaching brain trust (a total oxymoron in this case). Walker left the Vikings for Philadelphia soon after, and ultimately wound up back in Dallas, an ironic completion of Herschel's journey.

I know this could never happen again but I thought some of you guys might enjoy this article. I had no idea those picks traded hands so much.

Cajuncowboy
01-08-2005, 02:03 PM
No argument here...

However, I do find it amazing that no one has mentioned Emmitt Smith yet.... although I would have taken Dorsett over Smith. Something about the older Cowboys just appeals to me more, guys who with a few exceptions weren't playing for just the money.

I think it's becasue we are looking at the team now and what it is in most need of. With Julius doing well there are other holes that really need to be filled with great players before RB.

big dog cowboy
01-08-2005, 02:26 PM
#12 in your program, #1 in your heart.

STAUBACH

Q_the_man
01-08-2005, 02:29 PM
I love Staubach, but Aikman would be perfect, than draft Mike Williams, can u say wet dreams:money:

Rude
01-08-2005, 02:30 PM
Thats easy, Quincy Carter



































jk, Troy Aikman

trickblue
01-08-2005, 02:34 PM
Give me one on each side of the ball...

Offense: Roger Staubach

Defense: Randy White

As someone mentioned earlier... those that did not see Roger really missed something special. It's not that those of us that did are putting you down... on the contrary... we were VERY priveledged and lucky... Troy was a tremendous QB and a soon-to-be deserved HOF... Meredith doesn't get the credit he deserves either among Cowboy fans...

When Roger played QB on this team, you NEVER turned the game off until the final gun sounded... there was always a chance when #12 was behind center...

2much2soon
01-08-2005, 02:38 PM
Gotta be Staubach.

For those who didn't see him play, Brett Favre is the closest thing to him now. Picture an even more competitive version of Favre, with better decision making skills but without quite the same arm strength.

One of the things I always remember about Roger was seeing him on the sideline after a loss. He looked so angry he was almost physically ill. You see too many players in this day who look like they couldn't care less after a loss.

I like the Bob Hayes pick too. He would truly be unstoppable with the new enforcement of PI rules. Imagine having a guy that could run by any db on every play. If he didn't have a long gain or a TD every time he was involved his presence would at least open up the running game in a big way.

junk
01-08-2005, 02:42 PM
I'd say Herschel Walker as long as Mike Lynn was GM somewhere.


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Best answer of this thread. The Vikes will also hold a special place in my heart for helping Dallas win three Super Bowls. Be sure to mention this to any vikes fan you meet, they enjoy it immensely.

Tuna Helper
01-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Easy answer:

Troy Aikman of 1992-1995. Not the Troy Aikman of 2000.

UppityCracker2
01-08-2005, 03:13 PM
Troy Aikman, no questions asked.

The30YardSlant
01-08-2005, 03:13 PM
On defense, Deion Sanders

On offense, Roger Staubach

tyke1doe
01-08-2005, 03:35 PM
Ed Too Tall Jones followed by Roger Staubach.

I said Too Tall because he was a better pass rusher than Charles Haley, IMO. And he was better against the run.

Staubach would be great, but if we didn't improve the defense, it wouldn't matter who we had on offense.

The30YardSlant
01-08-2005, 03:41 PM
Troy Aikman, no questions asked.

Staubach > Aikman