OK, it's pick 42, and you're looking for DBs..

[silverbear]

Your first 2 first round picks were spent on 2 of these 3 positions-- OLB, WR or OL... so now, you're looking to shore up either FS or CB... to me, here are your options:

Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn... 6-1, 195 pounds, 4.45 40...

Corey Webster, CB LSU... 6-0, 200 pounds, 4.45 40...

Problem is, both of these DBs might be off the board at this point...

Antonio Perkins, CB/KR, Oklahoma... 5-11, 195 pounds, 4.35 40...

Ernest Shazor, FS, Michigan... 6-4, 225 pounds, 4.45 40...

Jason Allen, FS/CB, Tennessee... 6-2, 200 pounds, 4.4 40...

Brandon Browner, CB/FS, Oregon State... 6-4, 205 pounds, 4.45 40...

James Butler, FS, Georgia Tech... 6-3, 210 pounds, 4.5 40...

Sleeper-- Ronald Bartell, CB, Howard... 6-2, 205 pounds, 4.4 40...

If the call was mine, at the moment I'm quite intrigued with Brandon Browner... I'd be interested to see who from ths group (or perhaps somebody outside of this group), y'all might like to see drafted...

All of these players have the size to play against the new breed of jumbo wideouts, and the speed to play in the NFL... clearly, there will be excellent value at DB available in the second round, which further justifies Parcells' insinuation that he won't look for a CB in the first round...

[AdamJT13]

The fact that Browner didn't intercept a single pass this season is a concern. I'd take a serious look at Allen, who led Tennessee in tackles, had two picks and two sacks, supposedly runs a 4.4 and could play cornerback. I'd try him at the non-Roy safety, whatever position we're calling it these days.

[silverbear]

The fact that Browner didn't intercept a single pass this season is a concern.

Yeah, but I find myself wondering if that's an indication that opponents avoided throwing the ball in his direction...

I'd take a serious look at Allen, who led Tennessee in tackles, had two picks and two sacks, supposedly runs a 4.4 and could play cornerback. I'd try him at the non-Roy safety, whatever position we're calling it these days.

He was a CB until this year, and like you said, he had 123 tackles this year... that's a bunch for a DB...

[Rack Bauer]

No way in hell is Carlos Rogers gonna be available at #42. I'd crap my pants if that happened.

[zagnut]

What about Justin Miller (CB, Clemson) and Adam Jones (CB, West VA)? Are you putting them ahead of Rogers and Webster?

I think I'd be ok with anyone on that list except Perkins. I personally don't like CB coming out of conferences that don't throw the ball. It's not true as much as it once was, but the Big 12 is still a weak test for a CB, IMO.

[silverbear]

No way in hell is Carlos Rogers gonna be available at #42. I'd crap my pants if that happened.

The various mocks seem to be all over the board as to where he'll go, but I think you're probably right... same with Webster, I wouldn't be shocked if he went in the first round or very early in the second...

I just included them on the off chance they might slip some... given the depth of this DB class, teams might not feel the need to start a run on them, which might lead to some good players slipping...

Obviously, Antrel Rolle and Marlin Jackson are gonna be first rounders, but I could envision a scenario in which they turned out to be the only 2 DBs drafted in the first...

[silverbear]

What about Justin Miller (CB, Clemson) and Adam Jones (CB, West VA)? Are you putting them ahead of Rogers and Webster?

I think I'd be ok with anyone on that list except Perkins. I personally don't like CB coming out of conferences that don't throw the ball. It's not true as much as it once was, but the Big 12 is still a weak test for a CB, IMO.

I don't care much for either one of them... as for Perkins, I'm intrigued by his speed, and his abilities as a KR... I mean, it's been 2 years since we had a punt or kick returner take one all the way (exempting that freak play by Randal Williams on an onsides kick), so it would be nice to bring a threat at that position, too...

Now, I have heard folks express concerns about his cover skills being rather pedestrian, and I am just beginning to "scout" these players...

[Dale]

My concern with Allen is that Tennessee's history of producing cornerbacks has been spotty in recent years. Granted, it's not entirely fair to judge Allen on past failures, but it seems this measuring stick is often used at a number of positions.

Granted, Tennessee has had some quality safeties at this level (Gibril Wilson, Deon Grant), so maybe Allen isn't such a bad prospect there. ;)

[AdamJT13]

My concern with Allen is that Tennessee's history of producing cornerbacks has been spotty in recent years. Granted, it's not entirely fair to judge Allen on past failures, but it seems this measuring stick is often used at a number of positions.

Granted, Tennessee has had some quality safeties at this level (Gibril Wilson, Deon Grant), so maybe Allen isn't such a bad prospect there.
Allen played safety this season.

If we don't get a cornerback in the first round, I'm not sure I'd even draft one at all. Maybe in the second, but probably not after that. We already have a boatload of young guys, so we don't really need to add any more mid-round rookies. If we don't get a top-notch corner in the draft, I'd rather find someone in free agency.

[ghst187]

James Butler at FS without a doubt.
IMO Perkins is a better KR than a CB.
I love Shazor but he's another SS. His 6'4 height is enticing but I'm not sure how well he can cover. He's a playmaker too.

[Avery]

Shazor is entering the draft and has signed with an agent.

Of course, he's a SS, not the non-Roy position we need.

[dbair1967]

Your first 2 first round picks were spent on 2 of these 3 positions-- OLB, WR or OL... so now, you're looking to shore up either FS or CB... to me, here are your options:

Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn... 6-1, 195 pounds, 4.45 40...

Corey Webster, CB LSU... 6-0, 200 pounds, 4.45 40...

Problem is, both of these DBs might be off the board at this point...

Antonio Perkins, CB/KR, Oklahoma... 5-11, 195 pounds, 4.35 40...

Ernest Shazor, FS, Michigan... 6-4, 225 pounds, 4.45 40...

Jason Allen, FS/CB, Tennessee... 6-2, 200 pounds, 4.4 40...

Brandon Browner, CB/FS, Oregon State... 6-4, 205 pounds, 4.45 40...

James Butler, FS, Georgia Tech... 6-3, 210 pounds, 4.5 40...

Sleeper-- Ronald Bartell, CB, Howard... 6-2, 205 pounds, 4.4 40...

If the call was mine, at the moment I'm quite intrigued with Brandon Browner... I'd be interested to see who from ths group (or perhaps somebody outside of this group), y'all might like to see drafted...

All of these players have the size to play against the new breed of jumbo wideouts, and the speed to play in the NFL... clearly, there will be excellent value at DB available in the second round, which further justifies Parcells' insinuation that he won't look for a CB in the first round...

please scratch Perkins off that list...if he's taken in the 2nd rd by anyone, its because of his return ability...the guy looked like a terrible cover CB to me in the games I saw...I wouldnt be surprised if he is available on day two because he is a major project as a CB

David

[Nors]

Is the guy I'd like to see drop to #42

[Yeagermeister]

If Rogers is still on the board take him and laugh at the rest of the league for not taking him.

[jterrell]

good question:

I'd take the highest guy on my board and would rank them pre-combine loosely as such.

Picks 15-25 Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn... 6-1, 195 pounds, 4.45 40
Picks 25-40 Corey Webster, CB LSU... 6-0, 200 pounds, 4.45 40
Picks 30-45 Antonio Perkins, CB/KR, Oklahoma... 5-11, 195 pounds, 4.35 40
Picks 40-55 Ernest Shazor, FS, Michigan... 6-4, 225 pounds, 4.45 40
Picks 40-55 Jason Allen, FS/CB, Tennessee... 6-2, 200 pounds, 4.4 40
Picks 50-65 Brandon Browner, CB/FS, Oregon State. 6-4, 205 pounds, 4.45 40
Picks 50-65 James Butler, FS, Georgia Tech... 6-3, 210 pounds, 4.5 40
Haven't seen him yet. Ronald Bartell, CB, Howard... 6-2, 205 pounds, 4.4 40


Assuming my guesstimate and rankings hold we'd be looking at Perkins, Shazor or Allen. Perkins could be quite interesting IMHO. He's certinaly fast enough to cover guys and he has a great deal of skill when he gets the ball in his hands. All that being said, I don't know if we are going to look CB day 1. I really expect us to try and improve the pass rush, safety play and then see if Frazier, Hunter, Thornton can hold down that RCB job. If we don't think any of those 3 can do the job then I suspect BP will remedy that for sure with a free agent.

I really like both Allen and Shazor quite a bit at the free safety opposite RW. Shazor may be more like RW as a great tackler and run support guy tho so Allen might be the better fit here.

[jterrell]

What about Justin Miller (CB, Clemson) and Adam Jones (CB, West VA)? Are you putting them ahead of Rogers and Webster?

I think I'd be ok with anyone on that list except Perkins. I personally don't like CB coming out of conferences that don't throw the ball. It's not true as much as it once was, but the Big 12 is still a weak test for a CB, IMO.
Miller and Jones will both be gone by 20 IMHO.

The Big 12 has some pass happy teams like Tech, OU and until this season, UT. Even A&M passed like crazy. The big 12 has produced very, very good CB talent in the past 5 years.

Perkins is raw but may have the most potential out of all of these guys.

[cowboys19]

Id take Bryant McFadden

[nathanlt]

James Butler at FS without a doubt.
IMO Perkins is a better KR than a CB.
I love Shazor but he's another SS. His 6'4 height is enticing but I'm not sure how well he can cover. He's a playmaker too.

James Butler, absolutely. A perfect complement to Roy, and someone who won't have issues with Parcells. Doesn't sound like a head case.

[Silverstar]

What about Vincent Fuller?

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/s/vincentfuller.html

[Rack Bauer]

please scratch Perkins off that list...if he's taken in the 2nd rd by anyone, its because of his return ability...the guy looked like a terrible cover CB to me in the games I saw...I wouldnt be surprised if he is available on day two because he is a major project as a CB

David


I agree. Perkins reminds me of DeJuan Groce (from Nebraska, drafted by the Rams). Good return man, average (at best) coverman.

[Oh_Canada]

I really expect us to try and improve the pass rush, safety play and then see if Frazier, Hunter, Thornton can hold down that RCB job. If we don't think any of those 3 can do the job then I suspect BP will remedy that for sure with a free agent.

I really like both Allen and Shazor quite a bit at the free safety opposite RW. Shazor may be more like RW as a great tackler and run support guy tho so Allen might be the better fit here.


Well, I don't know about you, but I have seen enough of those three corners to know the Boys need a veteran brought in next season. He doesn't have to be Champ Bailey, just a good solid vet.

Of the group mentioned I like Butler. However I would much prefer a big man inside over a safety in the second round.

[Derinyar]

I think CB's are going to slide in this draft. Too many good underclassmen came out, and with the rules enforcments theres just not the current advantage to using a high first on a CB unless hes an incredibly special player. Theres not a Bailey or Woodson in this draft, so I suspect they slide some. Probably see Rolle go off the board somewhere close to ten, with the next one sliding to the middle of the 1st. There should be some value with the middle 2nd we have at CB.

[Rush 2112]

Has anyone really watched Butler play? Seriously?

He's 6-3/210 so he must be Sean Taylor-like, right?

I wouldn't use a 4th on him.

I saw GT 20-12 on VT with minutes left and they gave up 22 points.

14 of those were directly at Butler including a 51 yarder.

If he were a WR he'd be Randall Williams.

All athlete, no football.

[zagnut]

The Big 12 has some pass happy teams like Tech, OU and until this season, UT. Even A&M passed like crazy. The big 12 has produced very, very good CB talent in the past 5 years.

Are we talking NFL productive or just good college prospects?

I can only think of Terrance Newman, Quentin Jammer, and Gary Baxter since 1999. Maybe, on a good day, William Bartee and Andre Woolfolk. That's 3 sure starters in five years and a couple of sometime starters/nicklebacks.

DeJuan Groce and Rod Babers are in the league, but have shown little and are play more by default.

Oklahoma's two best CB prospects, Derrick Strait and Andre Woolfolk, are at least in the league, but their production has not exactly matched their college accolades, hype, and projection. It's still early though, I suppose.

[Crown Royal]

Who is the player at VT who was a FS and moved to CB this year? I don't watch too much college football, but I researched him a tad in another thread and was really high on him for safety purposes. Jimmy Stewart or something?


Haven't really seen him, but I would give him consideration based on numbers.

[zagnut]

I don't care much for either one of them... as for Perkins, I'm intrigued by his speed, and his abilities as a KR... I mean, it's been 2 years since we had a punt or kick returner take one all the way (exempting that freak play by Randal Williams on an onsides kick), so it would be nice to bring a threat at that position, too...

Now, I have heard folks express concerns about his cover skills being rather pedestrian, and I am just beginning to "scout" these players...

If we spend a fairly high 2nd round pick on a CB/KR, the likelihood he would continue to return kicks is small. If he is a starter, which I assume we all want, no way he returns kicks. If he is returning kicks, it means he's a 3rd or 4th CB. I don't want that in the 2nd round. Newman was a top returner too. It's unusual to see him fielding kicks though because he's too valuable at CB. If he's around in the 4th, I'm all for him.

Justin Miller is not as good of a returner -- Perkins is an undeniably great PR -- but Miller is still among the most dangerous KR and PR in the nation, and he's a much better CB.

[zagnut]

Has anyone really watched Butler play? Seriously?

He's 6-3/210 so he must be Sean Taylor-like, right?

I wouldn't use a 4th on him.

I saw GT 20-12 on VT with minutes left and they gave up 22 points.

14 of those were directly at Butler including a 51 yarder.

If he were a WR he'd be Randall Williams.

All athlete, no football.

ps., VA Tech is very good. They almost did the same to Auburn. Hope you saw more than one game.

I agree somewhat. He's being projected due to athletic skills. Tall, fast FS with range and good hands are difficult to find. They tend to be a little over valued. He didn't improve much from junior to senior year and he's not as good a tackler as you'd want at a safety position. I don't think anyone's expecting Sean Taylor. He's more of a 3rd to early 4th rounder.

[Rush 2112]

I'm sorry......come again?

Did Butler get picked yet?

Oh wait, draft is over.

Like Golic says........looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

6'3" does not equal Sean Taylor.